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(The Daily Beast)   In four years, the 44th president of the United States has pulled off no fewer than three revolutions   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 188
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2012-10-30 04:20:43 PM  
udhq

karnal: udhq

randomjsa: Premiums going up, the majority of the people have been and continue to be against ObamaCare, businesses are against ObamaCare as well. He's really done a bang up job on that, screwing it up worse than ever in order to 'fix it'.

If there are many people like me, I suspect ObamaCare will do wonders for the economy.

Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer has enabled me to quit my corporate gig and start my own business.


Does your paper route count as a business?

Republicans openly detest small businesses. What makes those peons think they're entitled to compete with corporations?


You are one of those who actually drinks the kool-aid that Obama has made....and you have everything backwards.

Most economists agree that small businesses will lead us into a more robust recovery...yet Obama is not helping small businesses and hasn't the last four years.

Obama signed American Recovery and Reinvestment Act aka the first stimulus plan, in February 2009, shortly after coming into office.....which, unfortunately, only benefitted big business and big unions.

Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

Plus, remember only big business and big unions got Obamacare waivers.

If you think Obama is all for the small business, you are sadly mistaken.

Ah, "regulations", the myth that the problem with our economy is that there isn't enough arsenic in our drinking water.

The fact is that If "regulations" were the reason business succeeded or failed, Wyoming would be a major economic hub, rather than those libertarian utopias of New York and San Francisco.

But let me tell you a story to explain how the respective parties feel about small businesses: I have a medical condition that would kill me pretty instantaneously if I were to ever lose my health insurance. This made me essentially an indentured servant to the corporation I worked for. And I'm not alone, there were millions of us.

ObamaCare cut in half the amount of money my business would have needed to make in order to break even after buying my own insurance. I'm now a successful small business owner, and ObamaCare literally gave me freedom to become that. If Mitt Romney is elected, and overturns the ACA as promised, I will be forced to close my business, fire the 2 employees I have, and go back to working for a corporation with access to group health.

As a small business owner, this election is a no-brainer.


I guess we will see next Wednesday if your small business counter parts agree with you.
 
2012-10-30 04:25:50 PM  
urbangirl

karnal: urbangirl

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm sick and tired of the bullshait talking points continually being spouted by you and your kind. So please STFU.


Typical Dim answer...."I don't like what you are saying so STFU." I am just surprised you didn't USE ALL CAPS TO SAY IT.

Try showing my entire comment in which I clearly state that I have personal experience that tells me you're wrong instead of cherry-picking the part that allows you to be a partisan shill.



You are the shill - and probably a shrill shill.....and your entire comment is posted above for all to see. My point is that liberals always resort to the same old STFU retort when they don't like what they hear. I imagine there is going to be a lot of STFUs coming from the left next week.
 
2012-10-30 04:25:54 PM  

theknuckler_33: Headso: karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.

Isitoveryet: karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

sure would like to see some citations for the job killing regulations.
I hear them mentioned a lot by the Right but have yet to be schooled as to what they are.

Did you know that employers are REQUIRED to display certain posters in their offices? AND, they are socialist propaganda too! Some nonsense about being required to pay workers a certain amount and being forbidden from firing lazy bastards that don't work because of some bullshiat about a 'sick' family member. Liberal socialist propaganda being FORCED on small business owners. You've got to request those posters and then hang them up yourself! That's time that would be better spent job creatin'! Damned job killing regulations!!!


Those who are out of ideas are the ones who snark
 
2012-10-30 04:27:31 PM  

karnal: urbangirl

karnal: urbangirl

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm sick and tired of the bullshait talking points continually being spouted by you and your kind. So please STFU.


Typical Dim answer...."I don't like what you are saying so STFU." I am just surprised you didn't USE ALL CAPS TO SAY IT.

Try showing my entire comment in which I clearly state that I have personal experience that tells me you're wrong instead of cherry-picking the part that allows you to be a partisan shill.


You are the shill - and probably a shrill shill.....and your entire comment is posted above for all to see. My point is that liberals always resort to the same old STFU retort when they don't like what they hear. I imagine there is going to be a lot of STFUs coming from the left next week.


Bye!
 
2012-10-30 04:29:00 PM  

karnal: urbangirl

karnal: urbangirl

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm sick and tired of the bullshait talking points continually being spouted by you and your kind. So please STFU.


Typical Dim answer...."I don't like what you are saying so STFU." I am just surprised you didn't USE ALL CAPS TO SAY IT.

Try showing my entire comment in which I clearly state that I have personal experience that tells me you're wrong instead of cherry-picking the part that allows you to be a partisan shill.


You are the shill - and probably a shrill shill.....and your entire comment is posted above for all to see. My point is that liberals always resort to the same old STFU retort when they don't like what they hear. I imagine there is going to be a lot of STFUs coming from the left next week.


Well, they may say you're a dreamer, but you're not the only one.
 
2012-10-30 04:31:23 PM  

jigger: udhq: Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer

I'm curious why you couldn't do it before. Individual coverage has been out there all along and sometimes, because you have a greater choice of insurer, is cheaper for the same coverage.


Believe me, I have looked into every possible angle over the years, and even through a freelancers union, it was prohibitively expensive with my pre-existing condition.

I've met a frightening number of people over the years in a similar situation to mine. Luckily, I now live in a universal access state (MN), but for people in the next state over, seeing a roomful of republicans applaud the idea of a "right to die" during the primary debate was pretty frightening. They're literally talking about a death sentence for the crime of being borne with an illness.
 
2012-10-30 04:32:15 PM  
udhq: The fact is that If "regulations" were the reason business succeeded or failed, Wyoming would be a major economic hub, rather than those libertarian utopias of New York and San Francisco.

Regulations follow the money, not the other way around.


udhq: I have a medical condition that would kill me pretty instantaneously if I were to ever lose my health insurance.

Ah, I see. That's not insurance. That's a discount plan.
 
2012-10-30 04:46:07 PM  

karnal: My point is that liberals always resort to the same old STFU retort when they don't like what they hear


if liberals are always telling you to stfu maybe the problem is you, based on your comments on fark that seems to be a safe bet.
 
2012-10-30 04:48:39 PM  

jigger: udhq: The fact is that If "regulations" were the reason business succeeded or failed, Wyoming would be a major economic hub, rather than those libertarian utopias of New York and San Francisco.

Regulations follow the money, not the other way around.


That was my point exactly. Eliminating regulations does not lead to economic growth. Never has, never will.


udhq: I have a medical condition that would kill me pretty instantaneously if I were to ever lose my health insurance.

Ah, I see. That's not insurance. That's a discount plan.


Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.
 
2012-10-30 04:56:04 PM  

udhq: Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.


Insurance is a risk management plan to cover unexpected expenses. Your expenses are completely expected. Let's call it what it is. You're looking to pay less for something that is completely expected, that you can't seem to afford. You're looking for some sort of discount, whether that comes from a price cut or having other people pay the difference.
 
2012-10-30 04:58:14 PM  

jigger: udhq: Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.

Insurance is a risk management plan to cover unexpected expenses. Your expenses are completely expected. Let's call it what it is. You're looking to pay less for something that is completely expected, that you can't seem to afford. You're looking for some sort of discount, whether that comes from a price cut or having other people pay the difference.


I see you believe in the Republican plan for healthcare:

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-10-30 05:00:38 PM  

jigger: You're looking for some sort of discount, whether that comes from a price cut or having other people pay the difference.


udhq: Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.

 
2012-10-30 05:06:53 PM  

jigger: udhq: Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.

Insurance is a risk management plan to cover unexpected expenses. Your expenses are completely expected. Let's call it what it is. You're looking to pay less for something that is completely expected, that you can't seem to afford. You're looking for some sort of discount, whether that comes from a price cut or having other people pay the difference.


My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?

By the way, there's a term for what you're implying. It's called "eugenics", you should look it up.
 
2012-10-30 05:10:39 PM  

Green Scorpio: theknuckler_33: Headso: karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.

Isitoveryet: karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

sure would like to see some citations for the job killing regulations.
I hear them mentioned a lot by the Right but have yet to be schooled as to what they are.

Did you know that employers are REQUIRED to display certain posters in their offices? AND, they are socialist propaganda too! Some nonsense about being required to pay workers a certain amount and being forbidden from firing lazy bastards that don't work because of some bullshiat about a 'sick' family member. Liberal socialist propaganda being FORCED on small business owners. You've got to request those posters and then hang them up yourself! That's time that would be better spent job creatin'! Damned job killing regulations!!!

Those who are out of ideas are the ones who snark


Thanks Confucius.

Those who have no facts obfuscate.

/Here ya go
 
2012-10-30 05:15:52 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: I see you believe in the Republican plan for healthcare:


yawn.

Soup4Bonnie: jigger: You're looking for some sort of discount, whether that comes from a price cut or having other people pay the difference.

udhq: Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.


Well, why don't you explain it to me. Let's hear how you use homeowners insurance to pay for maid service or your auto insurance to pay for oil changes.
 
2012-10-30 05:21:04 PM  

udhq: My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?

By the way, there's a term for what you're implying. It's called "eugenics", you should look it up.


Oh this is getting good.

I guess you took an insurance policy out when you were a gleam in your father's eye?
 
2012-10-30 05:22:23 PM  

udhq: My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?


You should have planned ahead and been born to incredibly wealthy parents.
 
2012-10-30 05:26:22 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: udhq: My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?

You should have planned ahead and been born to incredibly wealthy parents.


If he wants to pay less for his treatment, that's one thing, but don't call it insurance when it's clearly not.
 
2012-10-30 05:32:21 PM  

Carn: That's nothing, just during this campaign, Romney has performed approximately eleventy brazillion revolutions.


And if you times it by his 5 point plan that number is to big to count!
 
2012-10-30 05:36:38 PM  

jigger: Philip Francis Queeg: udhq: My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?

You should have planned ahead and been born to incredibly wealthy parents.

If he wants to pay less for his treatment, that's one thing, but don't call it insurance when it's clearly not.


You're right about that: health insurance is technically not insurance, since it is not meant to mitigate risk because everybody uses healthcare services.

Or do you believe that babies should be born with $10,000+ in debt to cover the costs of their own deliveries?
 
2012-10-30 05:42:02 PM  

jigger: If he wants to pay less for his treatment, that's one thing, but don't call it insurance when it's clearly not.


Because when someone has one condition, they can't possibly incur any additional maladies.
 
2012-10-30 05:47:56 PM  

jigger: udhq: Ah, I see. You don't understand how insurance works.

Insurance is a risk management plan to cover unexpected expenses. Your expenses are completely expected. Let's call it what it is. You're looking to pay less for something that is completely expected, that you can't seem to afford. You're looking for some sort of discount, whether that comes from a price cut or having other people pay the difference.


Your empathy to your fellow humans is truly astounding. Your bootstraps must be HUGE.
 
2012-10-30 06:08:01 PM  
No Such Agency
A large % of what you just described would be shut down by the cops the day you started it up.

Of the seven things I listed, two are illegal (including one which uses mass arrests as a strategy). I know that that doesn't stop the police from shutting things down- but if you're willing to agree to that, then you have to either be a willing slave or a revolutionary.

In a lot of places you're not even allowed to feed the homeless in the park.

I didn't suggest that, both for that reason and for the fact that it seems to always decay into charity work.

I'm not saying it's right, but of the first ten members of your "Solidarity Network", three would be undercover cops. (They'd be the ones saying you should plant a bomb, and then reporting back that "the members discussed a terrorist action")

You could at least pretend to click the link.


theknuckler_33
That Solidarity Group you linked to is doing great work, though. I'm sure Luis at Pegasus Pizza and those workers now getting their 10 minute breaks at Boracchini's are very appreciative. I hope they tackle nationwide income disparity next!

That is far more than Obama has done for these people. And by winning small fights we can gain momentum and credibility to win bigger fights.


udhq
My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?

This is like the argument neoliberals make for Social Security privatization- that it's somehow a savings account rather than a social safety net to spread out the effects of misfortune. How, HOW, are the people who are against universal healthcare winning?? I mean, massive amounts of money fueling intentionally-confusing propaganda, but other than that
 
2012-10-30 06:23:13 PM  

joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: joonyer: colon_pow: the author typed that with one hand while touching himself with the other.
i felt dirty just skimming tfa.

Yeah, I bet it feels dirty to dip your toes into the pool of reality when you're so used to the familiar environs of the right wing echo chamber.

ok. enjoy your reality of obama's three revolutions.

Don't forget, it's yours too! It's OUR reality, see? We share it and we all live in it. Your life will improve markedly if you keep that in mind. Have a great day! :)

you should tell the obama campaign about these revolutions. they would make an awesome campaign ad.

I know it's a big word that sounds cool, but there were no "revolutions", as you say. There was positive change in the last 4 years. Just some good change, fueled by hope for a better future. It may seem like a big success story, compared to the last 8 years, but it's not anything like a revolution. He's just doing his job.

so the article was hyperbole?
say it ain't so

I don't really know. You definitely have the edge on me there. You and hyperbole are pretty tight, so if you say it is, then I guess it is.


hyperbolically speaking, i would say the author laid it on pretty thick.
 
2012-10-30 06:55:35 PM  
I don't know that it's fair to credit the Obama administration with a "revolution" in foreign policy, when they've basically just done that same things the Bush administration had done, only competently.
 
2012-10-30 07:02:16 PM  

poot_rootbeer: I don't know that it's fair to credit the Obama administration with a "revolution" in foreign policy, when they've basically just done that same things the Bush administration had done, only competently.


except for that little bump in the road known as benghazi...
 
2012-10-30 07:08:33 PM  
Really is amazing how many people here are against affordable health insurance for everyone that doesn't drop you if you develop something or deny you from getting any insurance if you have a pre-existing condition.
 
2012-10-30 07:21:10 PM  

colon_pow: poot_rootbeer: I don't know that it's fair to credit the Obama administration with a "revolution" in foreign policy, when they've basically just done that same things the Bush administration had done, only competently.

except for that little bump in the road known as benghazi...


i.imgur.com

I feel like I'm going to get a lot of mileage out of this pic
 
2012-10-30 07:46:20 PM  

stewmadness: 50% of the country would like to disagree with you.


By definition, 50% of the country is below average. Guess which 50%.
 
2012-10-30 08:46:11 PM  

karnal: Headso


karnal: Obama's regulations place a heavier burden on small business than on big business.

which ones?... actually honestly curious about this because I see it as a talking point often but haven't really seen even the shreds of facts that these talking points are born out of.

Obama administration approved 613 regulations during his first 33 months in office, with the number of significant federal rules (those costing the economy more than $100 million) at 129.


According to the SBA's Office of Advocacy, federal regulations cost small businesses about 36 percent more per employee to comply than their big business counterparts.
SBA


An interesting note from the SBA's Office of Advocacy report on The Impact of Regulatory Costs on Small Business;

"This report does not address the benefits of regulation, an important challenge that would be a logical next step toward achieving a rational regulatory system." (Emphasis mine)

It's amazing how easy it is to talk about terrible effects of regulation without discussing the benefits...
 
2012-10-30 08:47:27 PM  

colon_pow: poot_rootbeer: I don't know that it's fair to credit the Obama administration with a "revolution" in foreign policy, when they've basically just done that same things the Bush administration had done, only competently.

except for that little bump in the road known as benghazi...


Speed bump it is compared to Iraq. That was a draw bridge.
 
2012-10-30 09:18:10 PM  
RanDomino:
I'm not saying it's right, but of the first ten members of your "Solidarity Network", three would be undercover cops. (They'd be the ones saying you should plant a bomb, and then reporting back that "the members discussed a terrorist action")

You could at least pretend to click the link.


Sorry I kind of went off on a rant there... we see this neo-COINTELPRO stuff all the time even in Canada these days.
 
2012-10-30 09:21:20 PM  
But were they televised?
 
2012-10-30 09:31:03 PM  

udhq: jigger: udhq: Being able to get insurance through someone other than an employer

I'm curious why you couldn't do it before. Individual coverage has been out there all along and sometimes, because you have a greater choice of insurer, is cheaper for the same coverage.

Believe me, I have looked into every possible angle over the years, and even through a freelancers union, it was prohibitively expensive with my pre-existing condition.

I've met a frightening number of people over the years in a similar situation to mine. Luckily, I now live in a universal access state (MN), but for people in the next state over, seeing a roomful of republicans applaud the idea of a "right to die" during the primary debate was pretty frightening. They're literally talking about a death sentence for the crime of being borne with an illness.


No worry, the trick is to curl up and act like a fetus.
 
2012-10-30 10:11:34 PM  

colon_pow: poot_rootbeer: I don't know that it's fair to credit the Obama administration with a "revolution" in foreign policy, when they've basically just done that same things the Bush administration had done, only competently.

except for that little bump in the road known as benghazi...


B-B-B-Benghazi!
 
2012-10-31 03:15:22 AM  

jigger: Philip Francis Queeg: udhq: My expenses are completely expected? Ok, please explain again how I could have been expected to have been born with my condition?

You should have planned ahead and been born to incredibly wealthy parents.

If he wants to pay less for his treatment, that's one thing, but don't call it insurance when it's clearly not.


What the hell kind of talking point is this? What else would it be if not insurance? The definition of the term isn't contingent on how much money the insurance company expects to make off the guy.
 
2012-10-31 03:20:18 AM  

badaboom: You know who else pulled off a revolution?


i293.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-31 12:06:49 PM  
In 2004, four years before Obama's election, I sensed the tremendous destiny of the man whom I called the black Kennedy.

heh

Clint Eastwood was right.
 
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