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(Daily Mail)   Soul Searching: Two quantum physics experts proclaim near-death experiences occur when the soul leaves the nervous system and enters the universe. Atheists, how you doing?   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-10-30 08:15:27 AM  
"You got your science in my bullshiat."

"You got your bullshiat in my science."

"Let's publish it!"
 
2012-10-30 08:18:49 AM  
microtubules huh..

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2012-10-30 08:18:52 AM  
so there is empirical evidence of the existence of the human soul now?
 
2012-10-30 08:21:37 AM  
Just fine thanks, because this has no bearing on the existence of gods or whatever. If this was proven to be true, which it hasn't been, then it would be amazing. The existence of a soul would be incredible, but it wouldn't prove god or gods. It would just chip away at your idea of god, and his supposed power, because it would be another thing you all think your god created but gets given a scientific basis, and explained away naturally.

So get off your horse, you look foolish on that thing.
 
2012-10-30 08:33:02 AM  
I read it in the Mail, it must be true. Suck it, libtardos
 
2012-10-30 08:38:50 AM  
You know when you make up some bullshiat and call it science, it does not change the underlying nature of the bullshiat. Only religion can take some outlandish bullshiat and make it "Gospel".
 
2012-10-30 08:40:12 AM  
Quantum science is an insane mindfark.

Just thinking about how crazy shiat in our world is (like particles and the nucleases of atoms appearing and disappearing into nothing) is freakin amazing. Infinite universes, dark energy, time travel via rotating around a black hole, no limit to how small shiat can be....its farking insane
 
2012-10-30 08:50:20 AM  
So somewhere out in the universe Christopher Hitchens is floating around like a fart and feeling like a right tit?
 
2012-10-30 08:53:38 AM  
21 grams of BS
 
2012-10-30 08:55:02 AM  
Please don't poke the evangelicals.

Over/Under is hereby set at 457 comments.
 
2012-10-30 08:55:08 AM  
I believe this to be true, to the depths of my microtubules
 
2012-10-30 08:56:55 AM  
This is quantum physics, shouldn't there be some math?
 
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2012-10-30 08:58:29 AM  
Good for them, hope they can live happier lives. Self confirmation like that doesn't really translate as anything other than an anecdote to other people though.
 
2012-10-30 08:58:32 AM  
"Dr Stuart Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and the Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona"

Oh brother, even the Daily Fail can do better than this. This hokey pseudo-science has nothing whatsoever to do with quantum physics.
 
2012-10-30 08:59:59 AM  
Atheism does not preclude the existence of a "soul".
 
2012-10-30 09:00:07 AM  

doublesecretprobation: so there is empirical evidence of the existence of the human soul now?


What do you mean now?

Just click this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0

That pain you feel? It's your soul crying for mercy.
 
2012-10-30 09:02:09 AM  
Just a couple of god botherers with some smoke and mirrors. Move along now nothing to see here.
 
2012-10-30 09:02:50 AM  
This will probably turn into a textbook case of Argument from Authority.
 
2012-10-30 09:04:15 AM  

doglover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0


Your post is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2012-10-30 09:04:56 AM  
The professor emeritus in anesthesiology in Arizona gets a gig on Science Channel as an expert on quantum physics? My dog would like to be an expert on mineralogy on their next show about volcanoes then.
 
2012-10-30 09:05:42 AM  
Atheism is a Religion
 
2012-10-30 09:06:02 AM  

doublesecretprobation: so there is empirical evidence of the existence of the human soul now?


It's like this. Every feeling, every emotion, every memory, every thought, they can all be show to be derived from purely physical processes, ultimately neurochemical processes. But, but, but, not mine you see. Because that would be depressing, and so can't be true.
 
2012-10-30 09:06:12 AM  
Sounds about as well founded as timecube "theory".

/Quantum "substances"? Which quanta would those be?
 
2012-10-30 09:06:43 AM  
Does a "Quantum Physics Expert" actually imply, you know, a Ph.D. in quantum physics? I'm sure Depak Chopra claims he's an expert in quantum physics, that STILL doesn't mean it's, you know, magic.
 
2012-10-30 09:06:43 AM  

doglover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0


Die. Kill yourself by listening to that full blast for ten hours straight you shiatfark.
 
2012-10-30 09:06:57 AM  
An interesting idea, but it's nothing more than that. The article is misusing the word "theory." In this case, "hypothesis" would be a better fit. Two guys are tossing some ideas up on a whiteboard and decided to share them with the media. Unlike the actual theory of evolution, there's no experimental evidence to support these musings.

Note, religious folk, that unlike you, we atheists by and large would be happy to accept this hypothesis as a new working theory on the day that empirical evidence is produced supporting it.
 
2012-10-30 09:08:16 AM  
Because when I want to take a look at unbiased science, I turn to the Daily Fail, Lord Bugeye's favorite news service.
 
2012-10-30 09:09:07 AM  
Atheists, how you doing?

Fine actually. Even if the existence of a 'soul' were confirmed it is quite a leap to say that equates to the existence of an invisible sky wizard.

/Back at ya, Fundies?
 
2012-10-30 09:09:19 AM  
No, everyone knows that the real quantum afterlife is quantum immortality. Any time you die, you just find yourself in a universe where you didn't. Every single person is subjectively immortal. From your point of view, you exist forever. You only die from the POV of other people.

Every single person who ever lived is destined to spend eternity alone in the dark after the universe ends.

Happy tuesday!
 
2012-10-30 09:10:19 AM  
I'm about as ardent an atheist as you can get. But given that whole energy matter thing, it makes sense that when the physical shell expires, something is released. And if that something is a ball of low voltage electricity, then cool. Let me dissipate through the universe, mingling my atoms with those of stars and planets and comets, cascading through the soil, plants and grasses of our world and others. How am I doing as an atheist? Just fine, thank you subby. And I hope you're as at peace as I am with the joy and wonders that science shows us in this great thing we're all a part of.
 
2012-10-30 09:11:05 AM  
tansyrr.com 

/Wary of random consciousness moving around the planet.
 
2012-10-30 09:11:42 AM  

Slaxl: Just fine thanks, because this has no bearing on the existence of gods or whatever. If this was proven to be true, which it hasn't been, then it would be amazing. The existence of a soul would be incredible, but it wouldn't prove god or gods. It would just chip away at your idea of god, and his supposed power, because it would be another thing you all think your god created but gets given a scientific basis, and explained away naturally.

So get off your horse, you look foolish on that thing.


Doesnt have to be proven, only need a consensus
 
2012-10-30 09:15:33 AM  

citizenj: I'm about as ardent an atheist as you can get. But given that whole energy matter thing, it makes sense that when the physical shell expires, something is released. And if that something is a ball of low voltage electricity, then cool. Let me dissipate through the universe, mingling my atoms with those of stars and planets and comets, cascading through the soil, plants and grasses of our world and others. How am I doing as an atheist? Just fine, thank you subby. And I hope you're as at peace as I am with the joy and wonders that science shows us in this great thing we're all a part of.


I am agnostic and I think many in this thread is acting like an idiot. The fact that these closed minded people couldnt even consider for one second that there is some energy force out there beyond our perceived world speaks volumes on their personality. The problem is is that we cannot prove nor disprove its existence, and keeping a closed mind will always ensure that we will never truly be able to solve this mystery.
 
2012-10-30 09:16:06 AM  
www.nndb.com
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Two "quantum physics" "experts".
 
2012-10-30 09:17:13 AM  

Felgraf: Does a "Quantum Physics Expert" actually imply, you know, a Ph.D. in quantum physics?


I've never heard of this guy. But much more interesting is that the article claims this "theory" was co-developed with Roger Penrose.

Penrose is a highly well known and much legitimately respected professor emeritus physicist and mathematician. His work with Stephen Hawking contributed to our current working models of physics. Somehow I suspect Penrose's association with this "theory" is being exagerated.
 
2012-10-30 09:17:33 AM  

cman: citizenj: I'm about as ardent an atheist as you can get. But given that whole energy matter thing, it makes sense that when the physical shell expires, something is released. And if that something is a ball of low voltage electricity, then cool. Let me dissipate through the universe, mingling my atoms with those of stars and planets and comets, cascading through the soil, plants and grasses of our world and others. How am I doing as an atheist? Just fine, thank you subby. And I hope you're as at peace as I am with the joy and wonders that science shows us in this great thing we're all a part of.

I am agnostic and I think many in this thread are acting like idiots. The fact that these closed minded people couldnt even consider for one second that there is some energy force out there beyond our perceived world speaks volumes on their personality. The problem is is that we cannot prove nor disprove its existence, and keeping a closed mind will always ensure that we will never truly be able to solve this mystery.


Rewrote the first sentence and forgot to make some corrections. Fixt
 
2012-10-30 09:18:10 AM  

Felgraf: Does a "Quantum Physics Expert" actually imply, you know, a Ph.D. in quantum physics?


We don't need to go that far. We can start by asking how these guys derived the wavefunction for the soul. I mean, that's the starting point of this claim, right?
 
2012-10-30 09:18:42 AM  
What?

...

Ok, if you claim to be scientists, PROVE IT.
 
2012-10-30 09:19:08 AM  
Atheists, how you doing?

Sore throat, but okay, I guess.

Why?
 
2012-10-30 09:19:14 AM  

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TOLD YOU SO!!!

 
2012-10-30 09:20:21 AM  
Let's say there is a measurable amount of energy loss within the body at the moment of death. And let's say we can prove that energy moves out of the body and "into the universe" (I would argue that the person was already firmly within the universe, but whatever).

Neither of those supposed facts would make me any more willing to believe in an all-powerful space wizard. Why the hell would it? If anything this proves that science is the only thing that will lead us to actual answers.
 
2012-10-30 09:20:25 AM  

Felgraf: Does a "Quantum Physics Expert" actually imply, you know, a Ph.D. in quantum physics?


Ask this guy.

And, IIRC, he quotes an awful lot of Deepak Chopra in one of his books.
 
2012-10-30 09:21:02 AM  
Theism and the idea of humans having a spirit or soul, not mutually exclusive...

see: Native American spirit cultures....
 
2012-10-30 09:22:19 AM  

cman: I am agnostic and I think many in this thread is acting like an idiot. The fact that these closed minded people couldnt even consider for one second that there is some energy force out there beyond our perceived world speaks volumes on their personality. The problem is is that we cannot prove nor disprove its existence, and keeping a closed mind will always ensure that we will never truly be able to solve this mystery.


Infinite other possibilities exist, and must be discounted as offering no evidence. Must they all be treated with kid gloves? Do they all get equal weight, or just the ones you happen to like?
 
2012-10-30 09:22:38 AM  

vartian: Let's say there is a measurable amount of energy loss within the body at the moment of death. And let's say we can prove that energy moves out of the body and "into the universe" (I would argue that the person was already firmly within the universe, but whatever).

Neither of those supposed facts would make me any more willing to believe in an all-powerful space wizard. Why the hell would it? If anything this proves that science is the only thing that will lead us to actual answers.


The thing that grabs me is this: sure, energy could escape into space. Sure, our "souls" (as energy) could be recycled into another living being. Does that imply that any level of consciousness persists? Can you prove it? How would a "soul" perceive the universe without eyes, ears, etc? I believe (note, BELIEVE) that a part of us persists after death, but the experience, by its own nature, is ineffable.
 
2012-10-30 09:23:20 AM  

Slaxl: The existence of a soul would be incredible, but it wouldn't prove god or gods.


One thing that always amazes me is that, gods or no gods and soul or no soul, the rules for living a good life remain the same, and have not changed since the dawn of humanity.
 
2012-10-30 09:24:38 AM  

cman: The fact that these closed minded people couldnt even consider for one second that there is some energy force out there beyond our perceived world speaks volumes on their personality.


Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful "force" controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny.
 
2012-10-30 09:25:48 AM  

Epicedion: cman: I am agnostic and I think many in this thread is acting like an idiot. The fact that these closed minded people couldnt even consider for one second that there is some energy force out there beyond our perceived world speaks volumes on their personality. The problem is is that we cannot prove nor disprove its existence, and keeping a closed mind will always ensure that we will never truly be able to solve this mystery.

Infinite other possibilities exist, and must be discounted as offering no evidence. Must they all be treated with kid gloves? Do they all get equal weight, or just the ones you happen to like?


I am not saying that. I am saying that there are people in this thread who are taking a big dump on these scientists because they believe in the concept of spirituality. They dont promote a religion at all, yet they are getting the royal "fark you" from Farks religious haters
 
2012-10-30 09:26:01 AM  

xanadian: cman: The fact that these closed minded people couldnt even consider for one second that there is some energy force out there beyond our perceived world speaks volumes on their personality.

Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful "force" controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny.


And I've been to paradise, but I've never been to me.
 
2012-10-30 09:26:17 AM  
Since Christians have been reaching frantically for any proof whatsoever, even going so far as to claim the eye is too complicated to have occurred naturally, I'm sure that some of them will have a field day with this. I haven't noticed any of the other religions looking for proof, or even seeming to care. Even if this theory is true, however, it still doesn't prove the Holy Trinity any more than it proves the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
 
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