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(The New York Times)   And lo, when scant one week before the election remained, did the pundits their hedging begin   (nytimes.com) divider line 132
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2012-10-30 12:11:52 PM  

beta_plus: In Nate Silver We Trust.


Statistics have a liberal bias.
 
2012-10-30 12:12:17 PM  

treecologist: FTFA:

"Romney is more of a flexible flip-flopper than Obama. He has more influence over the most intransigent element in the Washington equation House Republicans. He's more likely to get big stuff done. "

So flip-flopping is a character trait you want in a leader now.


It's classic Rovian tactics. Turn your enemy's strengths into weaknesses and your candidate's weaknesses into strengths.

To me, this is a classic sign that the Establishment GOP types have regained control over the Tea Party zealots. Rove is back to calling the shots from behind the curtain.
 
2012-10-30 12:12:34 PM  
We early voted yesterday.
 
2012-10-30 12:13:46 PM  

manfriend: Looks like Obama is going to be spending even more time golfing. And don't worry, Michelle can continue to live like someone that just won the lottery. Plenty of left-tards will shell out money to see them happy.


Next January's shipment of Bitter Conservative Tears will be extra special.
 
2012-10-30 12:14:05 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: So the lesson here is.....Holding the nation hostage works.

thanks for playing



Yes. According to TFA, we should encourage extreme partisanship. If the guy in the white house is not in your political party, you must oppose everything he does, even if you would support him if he was in your party. Make sure the voters know that the only way your party will stop being obstructionist is if they reward your party by electing its guy into office. Then they'll cooperate.

What a stupid farking article.
 
2012-10-30 12:14:21 PM  
So in other words, Mr. Brooks, if Obama gets elected we can expect nothing to get done because the Republicans in congress will be... dun dun DAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Obstructionist A-Holes.

Magnificent. Your are truly a prognosticator of epic proportions.
 
2012-10-30 12:15:30 PM  

treecologist: So flip-flopping is a character trait you want in a leader now.


Republican is a character trait they want. Everything else is literally irrelevant.
 
2012-10-30 12:15:52 PM  
Am I the only one who doesn't see a shred of 'hedging' in TFA?

Oh and...

The bottom line is this: If Obama wins, we'll probably get small-bore stasis; if Romney wins, we're more likely to get bipartisan reform. Romney is more of a flexible flip-flopper than Obama.

Uh, the GOP controlled house voting in favor of something if Romney is president while voting against the exact same thing if Obama is president is not a reflection of Romney or Obama you farking dipshiat.
 
2012-10-30 12:16:28 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: So in other words, Mr. Brooks, if Obama gets elected we can expect nothing to get done because the Republicans in congress will be... dun dun DAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Obstructionist A-Holes.

Magnificent. Your are truly a prognosticator of epic proportions.


You gotta understand. He's gotta put a positive light onto this, he doesn't have a choice. He gets his marching orders from higher up.
 
2012-10-30 12:16:56 PM  

Delay: I_C_Weener: Well, Bill Clinton did say

IClinton's uses topical context. Pretty typical for him.

Here's a few you can use yourself.

"Boy, those Detroit Tigers stunk out the World Series, *pause* but that's nothing like the failure that we will see if Romney gets elected."

or

"There's a new study that shows that if you watch horror shows you will lose weight, *pause* but, I think we should just skip a few hamburgers rather than suffer the horror of a Romney presidency."



Playing politics with a national disaster!!! :)
 
2012-10-30 12:17:22 PM  
David Brooks translated: Vote Romney or we burning the farking place down.
 
2012-10-30 12:18:13 PM  
Being manipulative, chameleonic, and duplicitous are presidential traits, guys!

/queue the AmITakingCrazyPills.jpeg
 
2012-10-30 12:19:14 PM  
 
2012-10-30 12:19:38 PM  
David Brooks, you managed to out-stupid whatever Jennifer Rubin pooped out today. Congratulations.
 
2012-10-30 12:19:38 PM  

theknuckler_33: Am I the only one who doesn't see a shred of 'hedging' in TFA?

Oh and...

The bottom line is this: If Obama wins, we'll probably get small-bore stasis; if Romney wins, we're more likely to get bipartisan reform. Romney is more of a flexible flip-flopper than Obama.

Uh, the GOP controlled house voting in favor of something if Romney is president while voting against the exact same thing if Obama is president is not a reflection of Romney or Obama you farking dipshiat.



Every presidential election season, this false narrative that the president is all-powerful and can force congress to do things rears its ugly head. It is once again the media being lazy, and allows congress to get away with all sorts of bullshiat.
 
2012-10-30 12:19:50 PM  

Antimatter: tnpir: manfriend: Looks like Obama is going to be spending even more time golfing. And don't worry, Michelle can continue to live like someone that just won the lottery. Plenty of left-tards will shell out money to see them happy.

beta_plus: In Nate Silver We Trust.

karnal: Win or lose, Obama should be in pretty good shape....just the other day Hugo Chávez offered him a job in his cabinet as his Propaganda Czar. I think former president Obama will be alright.

Jesus Tapdancing Christ, this thread went to shiat in a heartbeat.

Conservatives are in full meltdown right now. the polls aren't looking good, and that has them running scared, again. If Obama wins again, I think they will just go ape factor 10, not understanding how they could possibly have lost.


LOL!
Latest poll from the right wing Nazi's at NPR:
Romney + 1

The racists at Pew has them tied.

In Ohio, they are tied (and that's using the older poll and not Rasmussen).

The election is now about the Ground War - polls don't work when it is this close (that's just basic statistics - but of course statistics are racist according to libs).
 
2012-10-30 12:19:52 PM  
"If Obama wins, the GOP is exactly as petulant as Biden is making them out to be and they'll probably do everything they can to screw over the country to make Obama look bad. If Romney wins, he's just as much of a lying douchebag as Biden makes him out to be, so he'd probably abandon the really crazy portions of his campaign (so ignore those) and he'd be able to do all the great things that Obama is trying to do since the GOP cares more about looking good than what is best for the country"

At some point in the past, the previous quote would be ridiculous and everyone would laugh at the stupid troll. But, here we are, reading that quote out of the NYTimes.
 
2012-10-30 12:20:54 PM  
Pretty sure this was said on the Morning Joe farce this morning. Joe about got out of his chair and gave the guy a smug handy.
 
2012-10-30 12:21:07 PM  
All this article shows is that the gop house is holding our country back and they need to be voted out of office. The big stuff that Romney wants is the same crap that Dubya got and look at the result of that.
 
2012-10-30 12:23:19 PM  

karnal: Win or lose, Obama should be in pretty good shape....just the other day Hugo Chávez offered him a job in his cabinet as his Propaganda Czar. I think former president Obama will be alright.


It's funny because Chavez is a socialist and so is Obama!

*slaps knee*

Who said conservatives don't have a sense of humor?

/zzzzzzz
 
2012-10-30 12:26:45 PM  

dictyboy: "Romney is more of a flexible flip-flopper than Obama. He has more influence over the most intransigent element in the Washington equation House Republicans. He's more likely to get big stuff done. "

So, being a flip-flopper is an asset now?


This. Principles are clearly for homosexuals, and other such moonbats.
 
2012-10-30 12:27:02 PM  
Whenever someone starts an argument with "And if this happens, this could be what happens next" I just tune it right out. Isn't there enough to argue about with actual events?

So I didn't read much of that. And I usually like David Brooks, or at least I'll give him a few minutes of my time.
 
2012-10-30 12:30:43 PM  

beta_plus: In Ohio, they are tied (and that's using the older poll and not Rasmussen).


You know, you get a better price when you pick only the reddest of cherries.
 
2012-10-30 12:30:53 PM  
I win, I trump you, I win, I trump you. - Obama Jan, 2009
 
2012-10-30 12:31:15 PM  

manfriend: Looks like Obama is going to be spending even more time golfing. And don't worry, Michelle can continue to live like someone that just won the lottery. Plenty of left-tards will shell out money to see them happy.


Weaksauce. Try harder at being dumber, at least. There's nothing more pathetic than a lazy dumb guy.
 
2012-10-30 12:32:12 PM  

treecologist: FTFA:

"Romney is more of a flexible flip-flopper than Obama. He has more influence over the most intransigent element in the Washington equation House Republicans. He's more likely to get big stuff done. "

So flip-flopping is a character trait you want in a leader now.


I didn't believe your quote was an actual quote so I checked for myself. I can't believe that someone would actually offer that as a reason to vote for Romney. The article is a better argument for voting the Republicans out of the House.
 
2012-10-30 12:34:12 PM  
Romney's record as a conciliator and successful bipartisan is greatly exaggerated. He was openly hostile to the Democrats in the state legislature. He served a single term as governor of MA; he chose not to run for re-election because he was contemplating a run for the presidency but his approval rating was at 34% when he left office and his hand-picked replacement lost to Deval Patrick.

(link)
 
2012-10-30 12:40:04 PM  

karnal: Win or lose, Obama should be in pretty good shape....just the other day Hugo Chávez offered him a job in his cabinet as his Propaganda Czar. I think former president Obama will be alright.


Look your children or even a friend's child in the eye and tell him why he should go die in Iran. That war will last longer than Iraq did. I do hope you have prepared yourself and/or your children to go to war in Iran, because mine won't. I guess I should invest in yellow ribbon companies in case Romney does win.
 
2012-10-30 12:51:06 PM  
And the correct answer is "Option B: Vote for Mitt Romney"

Article lays out nice even-handed matter of fact analysis. I'm good either way, accepting of either eventuality, with preference for Mitt Romney.

Actually, book it. Done. Mitt Romney.
 
2012-10-30 12:53:12 PM  

Delay: WTF Indeed: Delay: I can't believe Brooks wrote that..... I read Brooks frequently and he is usually coherent....


I catch him on PBS and agree. That column is more revealing for what it says about the right wing bubble-sphere than anything in the real world. His closer is incomprehensibly apologetic and defies rationality:

"... if Romney wins, we're more likely to get bipartisan reform. Romney is more of a flexible flip-flopper than Obama. He has more influence over the most intransigent element in the Washington equation House Republicans. He's more likely to get big stuff done."

Elect president with closer affinity to traitors putting corporate over civic interests, because they get along better? The root problem is obviously "the most intransigent element in the Washington equation House Republicans", fix that by voting them out of office.
 
2012-10-30 12:54:01 PM  

lantawa: And the correct answer is "Option B: Vote for Mitt Romney"

Article lays out nice even-handed matter of fact analysis. I'm good either way, accepting of either eventuality, with preference for Mitt Romney.

Actually, book it. Done. Mitt Romney.


Yes, it is a matter-of-fact analysis. You have a petulent child that wants a candy bar so he's kicking and screaming in the grocery store aisle. You can be a good parent and put him in time out or you can reward bad behavior by giving him a Snickers.

Give that little shiat a Snickers. Vote Roney.
 
2012-10-30 12:54:10 PM  

bgilmore5: karnal: Win or lose, Obama should be in pretty good shape....just the other day Hugo Chávez offered him a job in his cabinet as his Propaganda Czar. I think former president Obama will be alright.

Look your children or even a friend's child in the eye and tell him why he should go die in Iran. That war will last longer than Iraq did. I do hope you have prepared yourself and/or your children to go to war in Iran, because mine won't. I guess I should invest in yellow ribbon companies in case Romney does win.


Time to get the ribbon back on my car. It worked well in 2003.

www.cosmicpets.com
 
2012-10-30 12:56:17 PM  
So, vote for a Republican, or deal with another four years of obstruction where nothing gets done? That's essentially blackmail. We expect national politicians to put the good of the country ahead of the good of their party. Aside from the fact that I disagree with many of their policies, I am for damn sure not going to reward Republicans for acting like spoiled children who didn't get their way for the last four years.
 
2012-10-30 12:56:19 PM  

neenerist: I catch him on PBS and agree. That column is more revealing for what it says about the right wing bubble-sphere than anything in the real world. His closer is incomprehensibly apologetic calm and even handed and defies rationality is reasonably and intellecutally integrated:


FTFY
 
2012-10-30 12:58:27 PM  

doyner: lantawa: And the correct answer is "Option B: Vote for Mitt Romney"

Article lays out nice even-handed matter of fact analysis. I'm good either way, accepting of either eventuality, with preference for Mitt Romney.

Actually, book it. Done. Mitt Romney.

Yes, it is a matter-of-fact analysis. You have a petulent child that wants a candy bar so he's kicking and screaming in the grocery store aisle. You can be a good parent and put him in time out or you can reward bad behavior by giving him a Snickers.

Give that little shiat a Snickers. Vote Roney.


Aye, aye, matey! Or you could have him swab that deck.... =;P
 
2012-10-30 12:59:35 PM  
I've been saying mostly the same thing, but that a Romney presidency would be like an Schwarzenegger Governorship. He would start conservative and things would quickly fall apart. He would move left toward the center to fix things. He would pick up a little support from the left and pretty much lose his base. Four years from now the whole country would say 'what the hell were we thinking with this loser?'
 
2012-10-30 01:06:39 PM  

GameSprocket: treecologist: FTFA:

"Romney is more of a flexible flip-flopper than Obama. He has more influence over the most intransigent element in the Washington equation House Republicans. He's more likely to get big stuff done. "

So flip-flopping is a character trait you want in a leader now.

I didn't believe your quote was an actual quote so I checked for myself. I can't believe that someone would actually offer that as a reason to vote for Romney. The article is a better argument for voting the Republicans out of the House.


They are now at the stage where bluffing (that they have good attributes) hasn't worked. Now they have to pretend their failings are actually selling points.

eribons.files.wordpress.com

"No, that's not a design FLAW, it's a design ATTRIBUTE. We meant to do that all along. We designed it like that. You'll grow to love it. Shut up and like it."
 
2012-10-30 01:06:43 PM  
FTA: Romney is more of a flexible flip-flopper than Obama.

And....my brain just exploded. As many fellow Farkers have said, when did flip-flopping become a "good" trait? Romney is probably more of a "flexible flip-flopper" than Obama because he's had entirely too many open-mouth-insert-foot moments during his campaign. Please note I am not firmly set in one political party.

My .02: It would be a stretch, but I think you could maybe/kinda/sorta get away with flip-flopping on a domestic scale. But in the global arena? No. Romney would realize the hard way that you can't be all "Let's invade Iran!!!1" on Monday and then "Oops my bad" on Friday. It just doesn't work that way.
 
2012-10-30 01:08:28 PM  

Dear Jerk: I've been saying mostly the same thing, but that a Romney presidency would be like an Schwarzenegger Governorship. He would start conservative and things would quickly fall apart. He would move left toward the center to fix things. He would pick up a little support from the left and pretty much lose his base. Four years from now the whole country would say 'what the hell were we thinking with this loser?'


That's why people should go with the progressives. We're thinking that now. Just like we thought a Bush presidency was a bad idea a decade ago.
 
2012-10-30 01:09:20 PM  

Doc Daneeka: So his argument is that the House Republicans are such a group of intransigent babies that only Romney would have a chance of getting anything significant through Congress. So vote Republican.

I've got a better idea. Vote Obama, and work on reducing the tea party contingent in the House this year and in 2014. Then, not only would the president be able to "get things done," but they would actually be things that are good for the country.

Failing that, I'll take four more years of gridlock (and the full implementation of the ACA) over handing the GOP the keys again and allowing them to drive the country back over a cliff again.


Handing them the keys would no longer work as an analogy. The new analogy with Romney would be: "here's the title to your vehicle. Oh, wait, you're going to dismantle it and part it out? You do realize that if you start tearing things apart, it will no longer be driveable... don't you?"
 
2012-10-30 01:12:48 PM  
What I find most troubling about Romney is his advisors. Romney will shift positions with the wind but his advisors, especially the neocons on foreign policy, won't. I think the risk of another war is greater with Romney in the White House unless he can be convinced that it would be bad for the economy.
 
2012-10-30 01:14:41 PM  

GAT_00: NuttierThanEver: sane conservatives

I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with this terminology.


It means: Moderate Democrats.
 
2012-10-30 01:18:11 PM  
I don't get it.
 
2012-10-30 01:23:21 PM  

treecologist: FTFA:

"Romney is more of a flexible flip-flopper than Obama. He has more influence over the most intransigent element in the Washington equation House Republicans. He's more likely to get big stuff done. "

So flip-flopping is a character trait you want in a leader now.


Better question: This guy is running under an R. Now, based on recent history, what the unholy hell makes you think the Republican party won't coerce Romney into doing whatever the fark they want?

By himself, Mittens might be tolerable, but with the current Republicans around? F**k no. I'd like to keep my vagina to myself, thank you very much.
 
2012-10-30 01:42:18 PM  

PsiChick: treecologist: FTFA:

"Romney is more of a flexible flip-flopper than Obama. He has more influence over the most intransigent element in the Washington equation House Republicans. He's more likely to get big stuff done. "

So flip-flopping is a character trait you want in a leader now.

Better question: This guy is running under an R. Now, based on recent history, what the unholy hell makes you think the Republican party won't coerce Romney into doing whatever the fark they want?

By himself, Mittens might be tolerable, but with the current Republicans around? F**k no. I'd like to keep my vagina to myself, thank you very much.


Then you better clean out Congress.
Everybody is all up in the presidential thingie while the GOP is quietly trying to hang on to their" Fark No!" seats.
There lies the meat and potatoes of saving a middle class.
 
2012-10-30 01:42:48 PM  

neenerist: fix that by voting them out of office.


Post haste.
 
2012-10-30 02:06:38 PM  

Mugato: Delay: A president Romney will agree with his advisers to invade Iran, which apparently he can not find on a map, to increase military spending. He can not confront the worst elements of the Republican party

I'm always surprised at how little people care about foreign affairs. This is a candidate who flat out stated that Israel will dictate our policies in the mideast, doesn't intend to follow Obama's exit timetable in Afghanistan and will most likely invade Iran whether they have the bomb or not.

A Romney Presidency means more dead American soldiers than an Obama Presidency and that's not hyperbole, that's just simple facts based on what he said directly. But people who plan to vote for him are doing so based on bullshiat social issues and because the republicans now suddenly give a shiat about the debt. The fact that such a vast number of people can be so Goddamned stupid just, well it may not be eloquent but it sucks. 

At the very least take your farking Made in China magnetic ribbons off your cars because you don't give a fark about American soldiers.


This for great justice.
 
2012-10-30 02:06:55 PM  

Muta: Delay: He can not confront the worst elements of the Republican party.

Not only is he unprepared to confront them, he will need their support and in turn will have to cater to them to achieve any of his goals.


hehhehheeeee that's funny.
 
2012-10-30 02:08:04 PM  

runwiz: What I find most troubling about Romney is his advisors. Romney will shift positions with the wind but his advisors, especially the neocons on foreign policy, won't. I think the risk of another war is greater with Romney in the White House unless he can be convinced that it would be bad for the economy.


That would not be enough to stop him. His personal economy is all that matters to Mittens, not that of the country.
 
2012-10-30 02:09:17 PM  
PsiChick

By himself, Mittens might be tolerable, but with the current Republicans around? F**k no. I'd like to keep my vagina to myself, thank you very much.



Now that's just being selfish.
 
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