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2012-10-30 07:43:33 AM
Yes, windows 8. You're a hot sportscar with power to spare. Unfortunately, your cockpit and controls were made from Tinkertoys.
 
2012-10-30 07:47:07 AM
No means NO, Windows 8.
 
2012-10-30 09:19:05 AM
I can't wait for the service pack that brings the win8 under the hood improvements to win7.
 
2012-10-30 09:19:14 AM
The sad thing is, there actually are a lot of improvements under the hood. But 95% of people aren't gonna suffer through that awful, pointless interface change if those improvements included a sexbot mode.
 
2012-10-30 09:19:30 AM
windows 8. we farked up everything so you dont have to!
 
2012-10-30 09:19:44 AM
Windows 8 is worse for America than Hurricane Sandy.
 
2012-10-30 09:21:06 AM
At this point I have to ask if they do the 'skip every other windows' thing deliberately.

Also am I the only one who still finds windows 7 wierd to navigate? Just not sure if its me aging or windows 7 is just wierd, or if they radically changed everything on purpose etc.
 
2012-10-30 09:21:17 AM
Internal improvements don't mean a thing if it's not usable.
 
2012-10-30 09:22:25 AM
i haven't used windows 8 but the eye candy has me very concerned.....
 
2012-10-30 09:22:28 AM
Everyone responsible for working on any part of Windows 8 needs to be tied up in a sack and beaten with bamboo poles before being thrown in a septic tank.
 
2012-10-30 09:22:56 AM
First up is sandboxing. Metro-style apps are all sandboxed: by default, each app can only read from and write to its own private storage area. If the app needs to do anything more than this-access the Pictures library, say, or connect to the network as either a client or a server-it must explicitly indicate that it needs these extra capabilities in something called a manifest. This prevents apps from being able to read each other's files, documents that you haven't explicitly granted them permission to read, and so on.

Hmmmm...so it's like a collection of Facebook apps?
 
2012-10-30 09:23:01 AM
Hey, Gates!
Tiles!?!?
Really?
You couldnt go with a huge shag carpet or harwood flooring?
Tiles?!?
really.

Wow.
You're a fraking geenyus.
 
2012-10-30 09:23:34 AM
windows 8?

just another reminder to me of how sweet its been using Linux all these years.
 
2012-10-30 09:24:10 AM
Article lost me at RCPRT4 ADVAP123 MSVC ASLR DEP.
 
2012-10-30 09:24:13 AM

Linux_Yes: windows 8?

just another reminder to me of how sweet its been using Linux all these years.


Yes, it's the year of the Linux desktop. Again.
 
2012-10-30 09:24:27 AM

vartian: Hmmmm...so it's like a collection of Facebook apps?


Yes, but instead of friend requests it gives you diabetes.
 
2012-10-30 09:24:42 AM
If there was a way to have the old W7 UI in W8, I might consider giving W8 another chance

/Didn't like the demo we got at work
 
2012-10-30 09:24:59 AM
Dear Monopoly$oft,

God bless you for windows 8 too! you've been so very helpful.


Sincerely,

Linux
 
2012-10-30 09:25:51 AM

Gunther: The sad thing is, there actually are a lot of improvements under the hood. But 95% of people aren't gonna suffer through that awful, pointless interface change if those improvements included a sexbot mode.


The problem is the interface clickless, not pointless.
 
2012-10-30 09:26:45 AM

bloobeary: Yes, windows 8. You're a hot sportscar with power to spare. Unfortunately, your cockpit and controls were made from Tinkertoys.


Kinda like a Camaro?
 
2012-10-30 09:27:22 AM

Molavian: Linux_Yes: windows 8?

just another reminder to me of how sweet its been using Linux all these years.

Yes, it's the year of the Linux desktop. Again.



its been the year for the Linux desktop since 2005 for me. once i left XP, i never looked back. didn't know what i was missing.

but you go ahead down the cul de sac you're on. i mean, what could go wrong?

oh, and don't forget to update that antivirus!
 
2012-10-30 09:27:38 AM
I recently reloaded my HP ProBook (WIn7 x32) to Win8. I'll say it, I like the Metro. Once you get your shortcuts organized, it's smooth-sailing. Super fast power-saving options too, for when I'm on the go.

Though I can understand the "ZOMGz no sSSstart MANU" complaint. Knowing your keyboard shortcuts helps make the transition easier.
 
2012-10-30 09:28:05 AM
This is all you need to know about how Windows 8 is so badly put together... (also, his other news links and the video at the bottom)

And if that doesn't convince you, remember the ancient rule that always works: "Every other version of Windows sucks."

Windows 2 sucked
Windows 3.11 was good (for being Windows...)
Windows 95 sucked
Windows 98 was good
Windows ME sucked
Windows XP was good
Windows Vista sucked
Windows 7 was good
Windows 8 will suck

I'm sure Windows 9 will stop their "re-invention" period, and they'll hunker down to fix bugs and interface problems. That's their biggest problem: they don't know when to slow down to enter a period of bug fixing and instead just release a half-baked product. Then they get reamed as the public rips them several new assholes. Then they fix the bugs. Rinse, repeat, wipe hands on pants.
 
2012-10-30 09:28:27 AM
Still not clear on how all the underhood improvements make this car easier to drive. If the UI is difficult, everything beneath is wasted programming.
 
2012-10-30 09:28:40 AM

Linux_Yes: Dear Monopoly$oft,

God bless you for windows 8 too! you've been so very helpful.


Sincerely,

Linux


You know what's going to happen coming in here with that stuff. Couldn't you just post as an alt for threads like this? :)
 
2012-10-30 09:28:54 AM

vudukungfu: Hey, Gates!
Tiles!?!?
Really?
You couldnt go with a huge shag carpet or harwood flooring?
Tiles?!?
really.

Wow.
You're a fraking geenyus.


You do realize that Bill Gates hasn't been at Microsoft for many years, right? The word you are looking for is "Ballmer".
 
2012-10-30 09:28:56 AM

Dinobot: /Didn't like the demo we got at work


Same. It declared full touch screen support on the box, but it was totally unresponsive to both finger and pen marks on the monitor. That was really disappointing, and I scratched the shiat out of my monitor and had to get a new one.
 
2012-10-30 09:29:54 AM
Windows 8 desktop reminds me of the AOL desktop of the mid 90's. well done!
 
2012-10-30 09:29:54 AM
Sandboxing
Library address randomization
Tickless kernels

Yawn. Windows is copying OS X again as usual

/nonetheless, these are good things
 
2012-10-30 09:30:27 AM
As someone who doesn't care about laptops, smart phones, or tablets, nothing there was enough to compel me to upgrade my desktop from Windows 7. I moved to 7 because I wanted a 64 bit OS for the memory capabilities.
 
2012-10-30 09:31:07 AM
I like it.
 
2012-10-30 09:31:23 AM

SineSwiper: This is all you need to know about how Windows 8 is so badly put together... (also, his other news links and the video at the bottom)

And if that doesn't convince you, remember the ancient rule that always works: "Every other version of Windows sucks."

Windows 2 sucked
Windows 3.11 was good (for being Windows...)
Windows 95 sucked
Windows 98 was good
Windows ME sucked
Windows XP was good
Windows Vista sucked
Windows 7 was good
Windows 8 will suck


Does that mean Windows 1 was good? (also I wouldn't say Windows 95 sucked)
 
2012-10-30 09:31:37 AM

kroonermanblack: Also am I the only one who still finds windows 7 wierd to navigate? Just not sure if its me aging or windows 7 is just wierd, or if they radically changed everything on purpose etc.


This. XP was easy. 7 is like slogging through mud.
 
2012-10-30 09:32:01 AM
First up is sandboxing. Metro-style apps are all sandboxed: by default, each app can only read from and write to its own private storage area. If the app needs to do anything more than this-access the Pictures library, say, or connect to the network as either a client or a server-it must explicitly indicate that it needs these extra capabilities in something called a manifest. This prevents apps from being able to read each other's files, documents that you haven't explicitly granted them permission to read, and so on. This serves two purposes; it helps safeguard user privacy, instilling greater confidence in apps downloaded from the store, and it also reduces the impact of security flaws in those apps.


monopoly$oft's roundabout way of what Linux has been doing for 15 years. file permissions? wow, so original!
 
2012-10-30 09:33:20 AM

star_topology: Linux_Yes: Dear Monopoly$oft,

God bless you for windows 8 too! you've been so very helpful.


Sincerely,

Linux

You know what's going to happen coming in here with that stuff. Couldn't you just post as an alt for threads like this? :)



nah, i enjoy seeing the future unravel.
 
2012-10-30 09:33:41 AM

Linux_Yes: Molavian: Linux_Yes: windows 8?

just another reminder to me of how sweet its been using Linux all these years.

Yes, it's the year of the Linux desktop. Again.


its been the year for the Linux desktop since 2005 for me. once i left XP, i never looked back. didn't know what i was missing.

but you go ahead down the cul de sac you're on. i mean, what could go wrong?

oh, and don't forget to update that antivirus!


Keep farking that dead chicken. It's about as fresh as 'one button mouse'.

Why is so much of your core identity tied up in a pointless consumer device? It doesn't define you unless you let it. It's like feeling superior because you use harbor freight tools instead of craftsman.
 
2012-10-30 09:33:56 AM
For those that want only the desktop experience, try stardock on win 8. Makes the Modern UI go away and loads the desktop by default with the old classic start menu. I found I like the new UI. Even on a non tablet, non touch screen monitor.
 
2012-10-30 09:36:20 AM
Once upon a time Xerox looked at how humans worked with documents on a physical desktop and translated it to a computer screen.

40 years later we are still humans and work well with a desktop setting of rectangular objects full of information.

Don't screw with the formula.
 
2012-10-30 09:36:22 AM

HugsAndPuppies: kroonermanblack: Also am I the only one who still finds windows 7 wierd to navigate? Just not sure if its me aging or windows 7 is just wierd, or if they radically changed everything on purpose etc.

This. XP was easy. 7 is like slogging through mud.



and Linux (mint linux with mate desktop is what i'm using) is like driving your BMW thru a hi tech car wash and hopping on the autobahn in germany (no speed limit) on a early saturday sunny morning with your favorite CD playing.

once you do it, you don't want to go back.
 
2012-10-30 09:37:03 AM
Curious how many of you have actually used Windows 8. I loaded on my laptop over the weekend and after some time figuring out the navigation and how apps vs. applications/programs run I have to say I really like it. Like anything that's new I've run into some driver/compatibility issues but nothing that's a show stopper. Actually switching back to my desktop running Windows 7 feels clunky now.

/No I don't work for Microsoft
//Works in IT
///Sent from my iPhone (i.e. not a Windows fanboy - if there is such a thing)
 
2012-10-30 09:37:33 AM

roflmaonow: For those that want only the desktop experience, try stardock on win 8. Makes the Modern UI go away and loads the desktop by default with the old classic start menu. I found I like the new UI. Even on a non tablet, non touch screen monitor.


Wake me when they enable more than one core active at the same time.

/turns out my computer is more complex than a cell phone
 
2012-10-30 09:39:05 AM
I love the story of Storage Spaces. It was once called Drive Extender and it was found in the specialty OS - Windows Home Server. That is, it was the defining feature of WHS until it was inexplicably ripped out when the second version of WHS, Vail, was released. MS said it was just too hard to do Drive Extender in a 64 bit environment. We now know that MS was lying. That they thought it was a great to destroy WHS (Vail cratered HARD) in order to bring a nice feature to Win8. This makes perfect sense, because when I think of making a dedicated box that automatically duplicates data based upon importance the first thing I think of is a desktop. Since complete backups should be run of the desktop to protect data the utility of Drive Extender - now called Storage Spaces - is essentially reduced.

The second key benefit of Drive Extender was the elimination of duplicate files. If a server was the backup target of ten desktops it is really really really handy to not need to duplicate files found on all or some of the desktops. This feature is useless on a laptop/desktop, but would have been really nice to have in a server. Alas, it is now gone. Once again, Microsoft is clueless. It is run by the marketing department, not the engineers and developers.
 
2012-10-30 09:39:14 AM

Dinobot: If there was a way to have the old W7 UI in W8, I might consider giving W8 another chance

/Didn't like the demo we got at work


Classic Shell or Start 8. Both add W7 stuff like Start Button etc to W8. I have Classic Shell and am very happy with W8.
 
2012-10-30 09:39:32 AM
I've been using Windows 8 since about March. The NO GO sign for me was discovering that all apps had to be digitally signed and if they weren't they couldn't be installed without rebooting the system in safe mode, and monkeying down into advanced security settings before rebooting and installing the app.
 
2012-10-30 09:41:06 AM

HugsAndPuppies: kroonermanblack: Also am I the only one who still finds windows 7 wierd to navigate? Just not sure if its me aging or windows 7 is just wierd, or if they radically changed everything on purpose etc.

This. XP was easy. 7 is like slogging through mud.


notsureifserious.jpg

Please elaborate?
Windows 7 is light, fast, and perfect (for my uses).

I'll downgrade to Windows 8 in 2020
I still have a hard time believing that this actually happened. They'll be teaching about this and RIM in business courses for decades. How Ballmer the idiot took a company's monopoly, and flushed it down the drain.
 
2012-10-30 09:41:17 AM

HenryFnord: The NO GO sign for me was discovering that all apps had to be digitally signed and if they weren't they couldn't be installed without rebooting the system in safe mode, and monkeying down into advanced security settings before rebooting and installing the app.


Yeah, I don't understand why Microsoft would force everyone to only use software from the app store. Were I able to install Steam, I might be willing to give it a shot, but AFAIK Valve isn't putting it into the app store. Say la vee.
 
2012-10-30 09:41:36 AM
I think Windows 8 is just fine and it's nice to see some of the under-the-hood changes.
 
2012-10-30 09:42:01 AM
Yeah, I'm really not digging the "App" store grab on Microsoft's part, trying to cash in on this "newest thing". I don't care for the "dumbing down" of the operating system because people are too lazy or incompetent to learn it, why punish the rest of us with these hideous front ends?

I like the sounds of the rest of the security functions, but only time will tell when and how these will be exploited and worked around.
Like anything, there seems to be always a way around what ever security functions people try to implement, and that is never more apparent then with DVDs... every other month they seem to add a new way to "protect" the dvd from being copied, and like clock work, every month they do it some one cracks it 24 hours later.


/I like my windows like I like my woman, with no apps and a start button....
 
2012-10-30 09:42:02 AM
You know, you don't have to use Metro/tiles if you don't like them. You can switch to the classic desktop with the task bar anytime you want. Heck, you can even have Windows 8 boot right to the desktop. The Metro look was designed for tablets in mind and also I found it easier to use remote desktop from my iPad/iPhone when my PC is in Metro.

It's a decent OS upgrade that feels like Windows 7.5 if you cut out the gimmicky Metro stuff. Makes my PC games run better somehow so I'm happy with it.

/doesn't work for Microsoft. Really guys.
 
2012-10-30 09:42:16 AM

HugsAndPuppies: kroonermanblack: Also am I the only one who still finds windows 7 wierd to navigate? Just not sure if its me aging or windows 7 is just wierd, or if they radically changed everything on purpose etc.

This. XP was easy. 7 is like slogging through mud.


Maybe it's time you upgrade that Pentium II PC.
 
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