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2012-10-30 12:40:44 PM  
i only drink coffee that's coated with E.coli from an elephant. sure it might cost more, but the advantages is that it contains caffeine

oh wai
 
2012-10-30 12:41:45 PM  
Caffeine *saves* lives, to say nothing of preventing the cost of janitorial staff to clean my staff's entrails off the carpet every half-hour on the half-hour.
 
2012-10-30 12:44:38 PM  

Skr: FRESH POTs!
[img40.imageshack.us image 600x337]
please don't die dave. I love you.


I think I just realized that if Kevin Smith dropped 200 pounds, he'd look a lot like Dave Grohl.
 
2012-10-30 12:45:19 PM  
Reading this article while sipping a cup brewed from the Keurig. Getting a kick.

Mmm... caffeine kick.
 
2012-10-30 12:46:17 PM  
i can handle a lot of caffeine. but synephrine. freakin makes me worry about heart palpitaations whenever i take it. safe my ass!
 
2012-10-30 12:59:37 PM  
I would need to slam over 300 cans of Diet Coke to kill myself. Luckily, I barely drink even half of that a day.

/Honestly, I think I would die from bladder issues before the caffeine would get me.
 
2012-10-30 01:01:13 PM  
Megamug #2 on the way. 24 oz of coffee contained in a cranky donald duck mug. WHy? Because FARK YOU IT'S COFFEE
 
2012-10-30 01:04:37 PM  
All I know is that if you're ingesting caffeine on that kind of scale, you'll want to die long before it actually kills you.

/ One cup of coffee in the morning at most, these days
// Grad school was another story...
 
2012-10-30 01:07:35 PM  
You know, I'm not sure what exactly it is that caffeine does for you, but I'm pretty sure without it your head caves in.
 
2012-10-30 01:14:16 PM  
As a young teenager (14? 15?) I once took about 15-20 Vivarins (200mg each) and didn't like it. At the ER they gave me activated charcoal, an IV line of something, I think a weak Valium, a heart monitor and a series of stern talkings-to by whichever hospital employee happened to read my chart. 2 or 3 people asked if I was trying to kill myself and didn't believe me when I said it's just that I couldn't find crystal meth; everybody, from nurse's aides to MD/PhDs, lamented my obvious lack of common sense and recommended serious counselling and perhaps appropriate medication.

To questions about suicidality I replied "People actually try to kill themselves with caffeine ODs? They must be crazy. I just wanted to zing along feeling better!" It's strictly from hunger, I swear.

If anybody were going to try to OD on caffeine it wouldn't be by drinking any beverage: instead swallow about two pounds of caffeine pills. And you'll probably die in excruciating thoractic misery with every muscle in your body twitching like a science experiment. Hanging myself from a plaground swingset would be much less trouble.
 
2012-10-30 01:14:18 PM  

kokomo61: [farm2.staticflickr.com image 335x500]

Safe as coffee, my ass.


Notice how they've got both ads there....
 
2012-10-30 01:21:12 PM  

roc6783: gopher321: Remember folks! Decaf is the tool of the devil!

I have never understood the desire to drink non-alcoholic beer or decaf coffee. Who the hell drinks those because they taste good?


So, cheap vodak and no-doz are just as good as a craft beer or fresh coffee to you?
 
2012-10-30 01:21:40 PM  

Linux_Yes: and excessive aspirin has its bad side effects too. many a holes have been burnt into stomaches from people who take too much aspirin on a regular basis.


This is really rare. So, rare it took me several hours to find actual data. The NHS in the U. K. reported fewer than 2500 cases over ten years. There are 60M people in the U.K. People who were taking daily aspirin had a rate about 19% higher than people who weren't. In ALL cases, the patient also had H. pylori (causes stomach ulcers) in their system.
 
2012-10-30 01:26:21 PM  

natazha: Linux_Yes: and excessive aspirin has its bad side effects too. many a holes have been burnt into stomaches from people who take too much aspirin on a regular basis.

This is really rare. So, rare it took me several hours to find actual data. The NHS in the U. K. reported fewer than 2500 cases over ten years. There are 60M people in the U.K. People who were taking daily aspirin had a rate about 19% higher than people who weren't. In ALL cases, the patient also had H. pylori (causes stomach ulcers) in their system.


How much is too much? A pill?
 
2012-10-30 01:34:56 PM  

GranoblasticMan: roc6783: gopher321: Remember folks! Decaf is the tool of the devil!

I have never understood the desire to drink non-alcoholic beer or decaf coffee. Who the hell drinks those because they taste good?

So, cheap vodak and no-doz are just as good as a craft beer or fresh coffee to you?


sometimes your just craving a coffee and it's 3:00 in the afternoon, 2 hours past the cutoff point for caffeine consumption according to your mom. what do you do? drink skim milk (whole milk is forbidden) or decaf coffee
 
2012-10-30 01:35:13 PM  
Cafergot, for cluster-headache. I went from a no-caffeine guy to a pill that was something around 8 cups of coffee worth every day. I couldn't work because my *arms* were shaking. And I think I hallucinated, but I may have just been seeing things.

And on the third day, I started puking and gave that shiat up.


/addicted to caffeine now, you bastards.
 
2012-10-30 01:44:06 PM  
I found the caffeine website mentioned in the article the last time there was a Fark thread on caffeine.

Toxicity is usually measured in the lab in terms of LD50 or LD100, which is to say the dose which is lethal to 50% or 100% respectively of lab animals. Doses are measured in various ratios, normally milligrams or grams per kilogram of body weight. A kilogram is 2.2 pounds. There are less than 30 grams per ounce avoirdupois.

The amount of caffeine this kid consumed would normally not kill anybody. There must have been another factor or cause of death. Some people are very sensitive to caffeine, and if you have a heart condition you might have to be careful not to change your caffeine consumption quickly or by large amounts, but caffeine is unlikely to kill a normal coffee drinker drinking reasonable quantities.

Wikipedia says:

Extreme overdose can result in death.[63][64] The median lethal dose (LD50) given orally, is 192 milligrams per kilogram in rats. The LD50 of caffeine in humans is dependent on individual sensitivity, but is estimated to be about 150 to 200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass or roughly 80 to 100 cups of coffee for an average adult.[4] Though achieving lethal dose with caffeine would be exceptionally difficult with regular coffee, there have been reported deaths from overdosing on caffeine pills, with serious symptoms of overdose requiring hospitalization occurring from as little as 2 grams of caffeine. An exception to this would be taking a drug such as fluvoxamine or levofloxacin, which blocks the liver enzyme responsible for the metabolism of caffeine, thus increasing the central effects and blood concentrations of caffeine five-fold.[62][63][64][65] Death typically occurs due to ventricular fibrillation caused by effects of caffeine on the cardiovascular system.


In Futurama, Frye consumed a barely sub-lethal dose for a large man, but he is a freak and a Toon. His abuse of his body makes it likely that he can survive things which would kill a normal Toon. Besides, he has died a number of times already, so he may be slowly habituated to death and resurrection by cloning, rebirth, or season renewal or other methods that work well on Toons.

Here, for your Halloweeny enjoyment, is an illustration of the effects of caffeine on spiders:

upload.wikimedia.org 

As you can see, caffeine makes spiders much spookier. A normal, healthy spider is anal-rententive to a fault.
 
2012-10-30 01:45:02 PM  
This seems like a bad idea.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-10-30 01:45:18 PM  
I took about 8 200mg pills one time over the span of 2 hours during a long drive one time. That is a retarded amount of caffeine and it takes about many hours to get it out of your system. I don't recommend that feeling to anyone, I was awake and asleep at the same time when I finally got home and in bed, I think it was about 24 hours before I could get normal sleep again.
 
2012-10-30 01:45:23 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: GranoblasticMan: roc6783: gopher321: Remember folks! Decaf is the tool of the devil!

I have never understood the desire to drink non-alcoholic beer or decaf coffee. Who the hell drinks those because they taste good?

So, cheap vodak and no-doz are just as good as a craft beer or fresh coffee to you?

sometimes your just craving a coffee and it's 3:00 in the afternoon, 2 hours past the cutoff point for caffeine consumption according to your mom. what do you do? drink skim milk (whole milk is forbidden) or decaf coffee


What kind of person craves coffee in the afternoon when their mom is old enough to dictate their food/liquid intake?
 
2012-10-30 01:46:53 PM  

wotthefark: Good luck with that lawsuit, dumbasses. The coroner should be fired for claiming "caffeine toxicity" as the cause of death.


To be fair here (I read the article) the coroner cited it as a "contributing factor" in her death. Which, since she apparently had some funky heart condition that was sensitivite to caffiene, it was. Stupid article makes it sound like caffiene (and Monster drink) was the cause of her death. The dumb parents also didn't bother to teach their kid-with-a-caffiene-sensitive-heart-condition to stay the fark away from caffiene and not chug massive amounts of the shait. I'd say the verdict is (drumroll, please) dumb parents with a possible side order of dumb 14 year old kid.
 
2012-10-30 01:57:05 PM  
why is a 14 y/o allowed to drink that much caffeine anyway? parents should not allow kids to drink that much caffeine, doesn' take a surgeon general to tell you thats not a safe thing
 
2012-10-30 01:57:34 PM  
CSB
Some colleagues at the NIH really knew how to pull off all-nighters. They'd get the squeeze-bottle pharmaceutical-grade caffeine solution from the hospital and turbo-charge their coffee.

/CSB
 
2012-10-30 01:58:47 PM  

pute kisses like a man: xanadian: Winterlight: Cythraul: Like Iocane powder, I think I've rendered myself immune to the damaging effects of caffeine.

Inconceivable!

That word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

/off to go get me some more death juice

at night, after work, if I have a strong cup of coffee it sends me straight to sleep. in the morning, it is the lifeblood from which I flow.


Do you have ADD?
 
2012-10-30 02:01:24 PM  
Martian_Astronomer:

All I know is that if you're ingesting caffeine on that kind of scale, you'll want to die long before it actually kills you.

THIS.
 
2012-10-30 02:01:35 PM  

roc6783: gopher321: Remember folks! Decaf is the tool of the devil!

I have never understood the desire to drink non-alcoholic beer or decaf coffee. Who the hell drinks those because they taste good?


If decaf coffee tasted worth a shiat, I'd drink it instead of regular. Haven't found good decaf yet.

Walt_Jizzney: natazha: Linux_Yes: and excessive aspirin has its bad side effects too. many a holes have been burnt into stomaches from people who take too much aspirin on a regular basis.

This is really rare. So, rare it took me several hours to find actual data. The NHS in the U. K. reported fewer than 2500 cases over ten years. There are 60M people in the U.K. People who were taking daily aspirin had a rate about 19% higher than people who weren't. In ALL cases, the patient also had H. pylori (causes stomach ulcers) in their system.

How much is too much? A pill?


Aspirin isn't near as dangerous as acetaminophen, but be careful with taking anything. Including caffeine, which enhances the effects of aspirin when taken in the proper amounts.
 
2012-10-30 02:02:02 PM  

FizixJunkee: So us normal folks who take about 20 mg of Adderall and drink one or two Red Bulls and/or 2-3 coffee beverages each day...we're fine, right?


HA, you just reminded me to take my afternoon dose. Brofist.
 
2012-10-30 02:03:17 PM  
I have a really hard time believing that two cans of Monster, the day before her death, was a contributing factor. Hopefully the judge/jury will think likewise (assuming the evidence is not there).
 
2012-10-30 02:03:25 PM  
eyes the headline speculatively

media.americanfood4u.de
 
2012-10-30 02:03:33 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: Pretty sure I od'ed on caffeine once. Took about 6 pots of coffee in 8 hours but the lights all went flickery and my heart was all dubsteppy.

/collegiate all-nighter.
//not the fun kind


5 pots of Jamaican Blue Mountain in 4 hours. I woke up in the ER, with tachycardia and a doctor asking me how much cocaine I'd had that day. He didn't believe me until the tox screen came back. His ultimate response on finding out that I had OD'd on coffee was, "Don't do that again, dumbass."

I've since cut down to one pot a day.
 
2012-10-30 02:03:34 PM  

tlchwi02: why is a 14 y/o allowed to drink that much caffeine anyway? parents should not allow kids to drink that much caffeine, doesn' take a surgeon general to tell you thats not a safe thing


Well a bottle of Monster isn't really that difficult to get a hold of as a high schooler. It isn't kept locked behind a counter or anything.

What I don't get is caffeine free soda. It's like "hmm, I want a product that rots my teeth, gets me fat off empty calories and tastes like shiat but I don't want to feel good while doing so. Oh look!"
 
2012-10-30 02:04:41 PM  

GranoblasticMan: roc6783: gopher321:

Remember folks! Decaf is the tool of the devil!

I have never understood the desire to drink non-alcoholic beer or decaf coffee. Who the hell drinks those because they taste good?

So, cheap vodak and no-doz are just as good as a craft beer or fresh coffee to you?


When I'm more focused on the effects of the drugs than the aesthetics of the vehicle, yes. But I'd still rather have an imperial stout or a macchiato.

When I feel a caffeine withdrawal headache coming on if it's all I can get I'll even drink Pepsi. And I'll confess to drinking a PBR once, just to see what happened.
 
2012-10-30 02:06:03 PM  
Jon iz teh kewl:

sometimes your just craving a coffee and it's 3:00 in the afternoon, 2 hours past the cutoff point for caffeine consumption according to your mom. what do you do?

Me? I stopped dating your mom.
 
2012-10-30 02:07:19 PM  

bdub77: Obligatory:

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 480x352]


Thank you.
 
2012-10-30 02:09:31 PM  
Are we honestly gonna start needing farking warning labels on energy drinks now?

WARNING: DRINKING TOO MUCH OF THIS SHIAT WILL MAKE YOUR HEART EXPLODE.

Seriously, if you think mainlining Monster and Mountain Dew all day is perfectly safe, then you're an idiot. Or you're a kid and your parents are idiots. Honestly, I love the taste of Red Bull, but I'm glad it's amped to the gills with caffeine so I'm not tempted to drink it all that often. I don't need all that extra sugar along with it, and I can't stand the taste of artificial sweeteners.

/Also glad I never got into Four Loko. Both the old and new ones taste like absolute poison.
 
2012-10-30 02:13:04 PM  

GranoblasticMan: roc6783: gopher321: Remember folks! Decaf is the tool of the devil!

I have never understood the desire to drink non-alcoholic beer or decaf coffee. Who the hell drinks those just because they taste good?

So, cheap vodak and no-doz are just as good as a craft beer or fresh coffee to you?


Sorry, I got the caffeine shakes and dropped a "just". No, coffee and beer do not taste good enough to me by themselves to warrant consumption without the pleasant side effects offered by their active ingredients.

They are, however, more enjoyable than cheap vodka or No-Doze.
 
2012-10-30 02:13:39 PM  

Saners: tlchwi02: why is a 14 y/o allowed to drink that much caffeine anyway? parents should not allow kids to drink that much caffeine, doesn' take a surgeon general to tell you thats not a safe thing

Well a bottle of Monster isn't really that difficult to get a hold of as a high schooler. It isn't kept locked behind a counter or anything.

What I don't get is caffeine free soda. It's like "hmm, I want a product that rots my teeth, gets me fat off empty calories and tastes like shiat but I don't want to feel good while doing so. Oh look!"


i guess. but when i went to high school in the 1990's/2000's we weren't supposed to leave the building, and they didn't sell energy drinks on site. i suppose one could have snuck out, but to sneak out and buy a big pile of energy drinks? seems far more likely the parents were aware/cool with it from the way the story is potrayed than the teenager was doing some covert caffeine runs. and frankly, if you let your 14 y/o keep themselves at a stage of full caffeinated, you're kind of asking for problems.
 
2012-10-30 02:25:07 PM  
I was recently at a fairly nice breakfast which included unlimited access to chocolate covered coffee beans. I had way too many and it did bring on an optic migraine...spent a couple of hours watching people's faces melt. Still, I think I was a long way from kicking...
 
2012-10-30 02:34:58 PM  
www.cmt.com
"I don't know how much it was going to take, but I know how much she used."
 
2012-10-30 02:36:40 PM  
Monster should have an easy time dismissing the lawsuit.

Just bring up witness after witness and have them chug two cans in front of everyone and not die.
 
2012-10-30 02:39:20 PM  

blatz514: This is almost exactly my story, except I threw a paper bag full of vomit out of a movie car.

Was it this car?


That would explain why I got hit with a paper sack of puke in 1985 when I was walking down the side of the road.
 
2012-10-30 02:43:59 PM  
Before setting out on convoy to Iraq, I chugged 4 redbulls. I did the Beavis Cornhollio shake for the next few hours.
 
2012-10-30 02:47:57 PM  

redmid17: Jon iz teh kewl: GranoblasticMan: roc6783: gopher321: Remember folks! Decaf is the tool of the devil!

I have never understood the desire to drink non-alcoholic beer or decaf coffee. Who the hell drinks those because they taste good?

So, cheap vodak and no-doz are just as good as a craft beer or fresh coffee to you?

sometimes your just craving a coffee and it's 3:00 in the afternoon, 2 hours past the cutoff point for caffeine consumption according to your mom. what do you do? drink skim milk (whole milk is forbidden) or decaf coffee

What kind of person craves coffee in the afternoon when their mom is old enough to dictate their food/liquid intake?


coffee is delicious. and if u drink coffee late in the day, u won't sleep as well, even if u go to bed at approx 8:15
 
2012-10-30 02:51:04 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: redmid17: Jon iz teh kewl: GranoblasticMan: roc6783: gopher321: Remember folks! Decaf is the tool of the devil!

I have never understood the desire to drink non-alcoholic beer or decaf coffee. Who the hell drinks those because they taste good?

So, cheap vodak and no-doz are just as good as a craft beer or fresh coffee to you?

sometimes your just craving a coffee and it's 3:00 in the afternoon, 2 hours past the cutoff point for caffeine consumption according to your mom. what do you do? drink skim milk (whole milk is forbidden) or decaf coffee

What kind of person craves coffee in the afternoon when their mom is old enough to dictate their food/liquid intake?

coffee is delicious. and if u drink coffee late in the day, u won't sleep as well, even if u go to bed at approx 8:15


And you missed the point. Also coffee or any type of caffeinated beverage has never prevented me from sleeping unless I drank it the hour before I tried to sleep. Then again, I rarely have trouble sleeping.
 
2012-10-30 02:55:55 PM  

Rabid Turnip: wotthefark: Good luck with that lawsuit, dumbasses. The coroner should be fired for claiming "caffeine toxicity" as the cause of death.

To be fair here (I read the article) the coroner cited it as a "contributing factor" in her death. Which, since she apparently had some funky heart condition that was sensitivite to caffiene, it was. Stupid article makes it sound like caffiene (and Monster drink) was the cause of her death. The dumb parents also didn't bother to teach their kid-with-a-caffiene-sensitive-heart-condition to stay the fark away from caffiene and not chug massive amounts of the shait. I'd say the verdict is (drumroll, please) dumb parents with a possible side order of dumb 14 year old kid.


As a counterpoint, the last time this story was greenlighted on Fark (Unless I saw this story on /. a few weeks ago), they were unaware that she had an inherited heart defect.
 
2012-10-30 02:56:06 PM  

roc6783: gopher321: Remember folks! Decaf is the tool of the devil!

I have never understood the desire to drink non-alcoholic beer or decaf coffee. Who the hell drinks those because they taste good?


I would bet most drinkers of your drinks are ex- alcohol/caffeine drinkers. I can tell from experience that even if there are just times when you have to be off alcohol and/or caffeine the alternatives at least satisfy the behavioral component of drinking "real" beer/coffee. Hell, there can even be a placebo effect.
 
2012-10-30 02:58:22 PM  

MythDragon: [www.cmt.com image 430x250]
"I don't know how much it was going to take, but I know how much she used."


This is like the 5th time someone mentioned Ron White in a thread today. Did he just have a new special come out or something?
 
2012-10-30 03:01:01 PM  

redmid17: Jon iz teh kewl: redmid17: Jon iz teh kewl: GranoblasticMan: roc6783: gopher321: Remember folks! Decaf is the tool of the devil!

I have never understood the desire to drink non-alcoholic beer or decaf coffee. Who the hell drinks those because they taste good?

So, cheap vodak and no-doz are just as good as a craft beer or fresh coffee to you?

sometimes your just craving a coffee and it's 3:00 in the afternoon, 2 hours past the cutoff point for caffeine consumption according to your mom. what do you do? drink skim milk (whole milk is forbidden) or decaf coffee

What kind of person craves coffee in the afternoon when their mom is old enough to dictate their food/liquid intake?

coffee is delicious. and if u drink coffee late in the day, u won't sleep as well, even if u go to bed at approx 8:15

And you missed the point. Also coffee or any type of caffeinated beverage has never prevented me from sleeping unless I drank it the hour before I tried to sleep. Then again, I rarely have trouble sleeping.


not me. it affects the inner sleep cycles. so u THINK u slept fine. but your actually more cranky the next day, according to your mom
 
2012-10-30 03:01:51 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: eyes the headline speculatively

[media.americanfood4u.de image 800x800]


THANK YOU!

I knew I couldn't be the only one who likes that stuff. What the fark does Coffee have to do with good condiments?
 
2012-10-30 03:10:34 PM  

Modguy: As a counterpoint, the last time this story was greenlighted on Fark (Unless I saw this story on /. a few weeks ago), they were unaware that she had an inherited heart defect.


I still don't understand why anyone thinks that a lawsuit will be successful. If I have an unknown egg allergy and order the Grand Slam, should my family be allowed to sue Denny's?

Since this is essentially their main product, I expect Monster will go Old Testament all over their asses in court. They already lost over a billion in stock value over this stupidity.
 
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