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(Consumer Reports)   The latest Consumer Reports' Annual Auto Reliability Survey has good news -- Toyota has rebounded nicely -- and some bad news -- apparently, it really does stand for "Fix Or Repair Daily"   (consumerreports.org) divider line 138
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2012-10-30 08:13:00 AM
I thought it was Found On Road Dead.

No comment re: Pontiac.
 
2012-10-30 08:22:49 AM
10 years ago I would have never purchased an American car because of reliability concerns. Two years ago I bought a caddy and have been loving it. It's built really well and I've not had any issues minor or major with it. It's design is awesome both inside and out.. love it.

Frankly I have always preferred to own an American car and am happy I can buy one that doesn't fall apart and that has competitive styling.
 
2012-10-30 08:25:08 AM
Part of Ford's business model is to make post sale money on parts. It actually funds the purchase of the car itself.
 
2012-10-30 08:31:10 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Part of Ford's business model is to make post sale money on parts. It actually funds the purchase of the car itself.


That is Mitsubishi's profit model on the Eclipse and always has been. Sell a cheap ass car for cost and make it up on repairs.
 
2012-10-30 09:31:11 AM
Too bad really, because my 98 Ford escort has been a wonderful, reliable car. If I thought I could get the same thing right now I'd jump on it.

Then again, Ford's lousy rep is why I managed to buy it at only 6 years old and 60k for $2400.

/less than $2k in repairs over almost 9 years.
 
2012-10-30 09:42:46 AM
I think I'll stick with Mazdas for a while longer.
 
2012-10-30 09:43:21 AM
Once a Zoomie, always a Zoomie.
 
2012-10-30 10:01:03 AM
Why would I pay for this information?
 
2012-10-30 10:07:36 AM
Fark has assured me that they are now quality autos, and my sister's experience with her brand new Ford was an outlier.
 
2012-10-30 10:35:39 AM
Most of Ford's reliability issues have to do with the audio system- Sync/my Ford Touch. It sucks.
 
2012-10-30 10:42:36 AM
Bought my first Toyota this year and I'm not going back. I would rather give my money to the hardworking Japanese with their strong conservative values then shovel more money to the commie marxist socialist domestic auto producers with their ill-gotten corporate welfare and bailouts.
 
2012-10-30 11:00:32 AM

Elzar: I would rather give my money to the hardworking Japanese


Bad news for you: Your Toyota was probably built in Alabama or Kentucky
 
2012-10-30 11:33:16 AM

AirForceVet: I think I'll stick with Mazdas for a while longer.


My Protege is awesome. I gave it away though, because I upgraded to a Toyota Sienna.

unlikely: Bad news for you: Your Toyota was probably built in Alabama or Kentucky


The Siennas are built in Indiana. And they've gotten very good reviews for years.

(If you are curious about where your car was made, there's a way you can find out where your Toyota was built using the Vin number. Google it.)
 
2012-10-30 11:39:02 AM

Krymson Tyde: I thought it was Found On Road Dead.

No comment re: Pontiac.


I thought it was Farker Only Rolls Downhill.
 
2012-10-30 11:41:39 AM

Elzar: Bought my first Toyota this year and I'm not going back. I would rather give my money to the hardworking Japanese with their strong conservative values then shovel more money to the commie marxist socialist domestic auto producers with their ill-gotten corporate welfare and bailouts.


And give money to Japanese unions? I bet you'd like that wouldn't you, lib?
 
2012-10-30 11:44:04 AM
My brother converted me into a Toyota guy. I men, the guy could tear up a steel ball with a rubber mallet and he treated that 85 Corolla with the same attitude. And it took everything he could dish and kept on running. Hell, any car that can absorb that much abuse was worthy of my consideration.

/loved my 89 Supra
//wife loved her Camery coup
///my 03 tundra still purrs
////and then there's the ISF, mother of god that is a fun car........shup, it's still a Toyota.
 
2012-10-30 11:44:35 AM
I'll keep my Nissan...
 
2012-10-30 11:45:54 AM
Anyone who subscribes to CR have the actual list? All I got was a video.
 
2012-10-30 11:46:32 AM
i'm a pretty boring guy, so I thought "hey why not get a Toyota"?
So i went to test drive some.... too boring.
also uncomfortable.
 
2012-10-30 11:46:43 AM

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2012-10-30 11:47:06 AM
So the Prius C is the most reliable car, gets 50mph and they recommend you don't buy it because it isn't fun to drive? This is why people don't pay for your reviews consumer reports.
 
2012-10-30 11:47:07 AM
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How did this get greenlit?
 
2012-10-30 11:47:43 AM
We just became a Subaru family in September. The wife has an '07 Forester. I think it's great and she loves it. In a few years I want to get a Legacy or Impreza.
 
2012-10-30 11:48:06 AM
Having just become quite frustrated over an issue with my '06 Ford Fusion, I feel this pain - but not too seriously. Mechanically, the car has been fine - no transmission, engine, suspension, etc problems whatsoever, and it's just now turned over 70K (2.3L 5spd).

But I had the battery go out on it last week. No big deal, but it's getting cold, didn't want to push start it in the snow, so I took it to the auto store and had it tested. They said dead, I got a new one, went home and put it in. Everything works great - car starts just fine, I only drop one screw, etc. But when I go to drive it somewhere, the damn thing won't come out of idle. Pedal to the floor, it won't get over 1200 RPM.

Turns out there's some computer-controlled throttle business that "learns" how you work the engine, and has to "relearn" after you disconnect the battery. So I have to let it idle for 10 min (up to operating temp + some extra time) then TURN ON THE AC to get it into "relearning" mode. After that, worked fine, but what the hell, Ford? If the battery is removed and replaced, the computer locks out the accelerator? That's ridiculous.
 
2012-10-30 11:49:10 AM

Tr0mBoNe: Why would I pay for this information?


From non-car experts, no less.

Toyotas have sucked for a decade. Reliable? For the most part. Good cars? No.
 
2012-10-30 11:49:52 AM
consumer reports were caught in lies about the suzuki samurai & isuzu trooper long ago. why do people give them any credibility?

Freudian_slipknot: Too bad really, because my 98 Ford escort has been a wonderful, reliable car. If I thought I could get the same thing right now I'd jump on it.

Then again, Ford's lousy rep is why I managed to buy it at only 6 years old and 60k for $2400.

/less than $2k in repairs over almost 9 years.


mid 1980's Escort platform was used for many Ford & Mercury cars. many suffered cracked engine blocks, so many that you couldn't get a good engine from the scrap yard. and many more burned to nothing. I don't understand why insurance companies (not that i love ins co's) would let an established manufacturer get away with selling a defective product that must have been the source of many a premium check being cut.
 
2012-10-30 11:50:59 AM
I gotta say, I bought a 2010 Kia Forte Koup SX.

I was very dubious about buying a KIA, but it was a decent car with full airbags, good crash test results, and enough power to keep it from being TOTALLY boring.

I've put 70,000+ miles on it in two years, and I not one dime in repair costs.

Although, I had a few issues with their warranty service. They SAY you have a 100,000 mile warranty, but will do anything and everything they possibly can to avoid having to cover something. I had a fuel injector die, and they kept my car for more than a month before trying to tell me it was my fault because I had put a tank of "bad gas" in the car.

I bought a new injector, and replaced the one that the OBDII scanner said was the misfiring cylinder...not a hiccup since.

When I called corporate's customer service and told them what happened, they refunded all of the money I had spent at the dealership on useless repairs, and the cost of the new injector (bought it at NAPA) plus three coupons for free wash/detail services for my trouble.

Overall, minus the one issue with the injector, the car has been flawless.


72,000 miles and the next thing will be a new clutch.
 
2012-10-30 11:53:17 AM
My great GMC Sierra due to its nice engine was built in Mexico, and wifey's CRV took a boat ride from Japan. They're both great. I think my previous Silverado and 3 Pontiacs were all built in Canadia and were really good too. Those Tundras do look neat though
 
2012-10-30 11:54:09 AM

phyrkrakr: Turns out there's some computer-controlled throttle business that "learns" how you work the engine


Adaptive automatic transmissions are actually very common these days. Common enough that manufacturers don't even bother highlighting them in marketing materials.

And yeah, they can be annoying as shiat. Also makes test driving a pain, since until the ECU learns your driving habits, it's not gonna give you an accurate idea of how it will actually perform.
 
2012-10-30 11:54:30 AM

AirForceVet: Once a Zoomie, always a Zoomie.


this. I've owned a ton of cars, then I owned a Miata... loved that car... so much that when I decided to get a luxury car, the only one that could compare was a Mercedes. Had the Mercedes for 5 years and less than 50,000 miles on the odometer... piece of crap.

Back to a Mazda now (CX-9), and will probably never change again.

To the Toyota owners proud to be at the top of the list, yes, you have a good car, but look at the TCO for a similar Mazda and eat your heart out.
 
2012-10-30 11:54:55 AM
Yes, my Explorer with only 225,000 miles on it needs new tires, and is therefore unreliable.
 
2012-10-30 11:55:23 AM
Not a word about the giant hair lady?
 
2012-10-30 11:55:36 AM
I love reading their car reviews and the subjective comments. Where a Subaru or Toyota is "firm and sporty" a Ford or Dodge is "harsh." Where a Lexus is "supple" a Caddie or Lincoln is "vague and floaty."
 
2012-10-30 11:56:52 AM
CR says this: "Several factors contributed to Ford's decline. A few new or redesigned models, including the Explorer, Fiesta, and Focus, came out of the gate with more problems than normal. Ford has also added the MyFord/MyLincoln Touch electronic infotainment system, which has been problematic so far, to many vehicles. In addition, three historically reliable models-the Ford Escape and Fusion and the Lincoln MKZ-are not included in the analysis. They were redesigned for 2013, and we don't know how the new versions will fare."

New models - yes, even those from Japan headquartered companies - are often buggy.

I have a 2006 mazda and it has the weakest suspension I've ever had. Weak struts and resulting tire issues. Cracked an engine mount by simply driving it around.
 
2012-10-30 11:56:58 AM

verbaltoxin: We just became a Subaru family in September. The wife has an '07 Forester. I think it's great and she loves it. In a few years I want to get a Legacy or Impreza.


love subarus. we always had one, but ended up getting a prius a number of years ago. Then our local dealership basically dropped their subaru business and went all toyota. As in, their mechanics trained on subarus were so bad that they farked up the one we had.
So, we own toyotas. It works.
 
2012-10-30 11:57:10 AM
:My '02 Prius is a freaking marvel. Runs on gas and oil.
 
2012-10-30 11:57:48 AM

ghare: Yes, my Explorer with only 225,000 miles on it needs new tires, and is therefore unreliable.


Wow you already put 225,000 miles on a 2013 Ford? You must drive non-stop.
 
2012-10-30 11:58:34 AM

KrispyKritter: consumer reports were caught in lies about the suzuki samurai & isuzu trooper long ago. why do people give them any credibility?


Yep, I don't trust them at all. When I saw a GMC Sierra get great reviews and a Chevy Silverado get bad ones... any credibility they had with me went out the window, considering those trucks are the same facking thing save for sheet metal and badging. Saw something similar with the Prizm and the Corolla a while back too.
 
2012-10-30 11:58:38 AM

TheDirtyNacho:
New models - yes, even those from Japan headquartered companies - are often buggy.

.


and yet they said the most reliable new car was a new model Toyota.
 
2012-10-30 12:00:24 PM

mysticcat: Most of Ford's reliability issues have to do with the audio system- Sync/my Ford Touch. It sucks.


It seems a bit disingenuous for CR to treat issues with the infotainment console the same as drive train problems for the purposes of reliability (especially when many competitors have no viable equivalent). I agree though, Touch kinda sucks, but I always found Sync to be pretty cool for the phone features alone. Once you get your cell connected to the thing, it's really hard to go back to life without it (if you're on the road a lot).
 
2012-10-30 12:01:51 PM

Elzar: Bought my first Toyota this year and I'm not going back. I would rather give my money to the hardworking Japanese with their strong conservative values then shovel more money to the commie marxist socialist domestic auto producers with their ill-gotten corporate welfare and bailouts.

 

Whut? The US auto manufactures are "commie marxist socialist" ? Who is to blame here? Bush for the corporate welfare part and Obama for the bailout part?
 
2012-10-30 12:02:27 PM

basemetal: ///my 03 tundra still purrs


Made in Indiana.

metallion: I'll keep my Nissan...


Most likely made in Tennessee if it's a new model.

verbaltoxin: The wife has an '07 Forester.


On of the few Japanese cars still made in Japan. The Legacy is made in the same plant as the Toyota Camry is. The Impreza manufacturing is being shifted to the USA.

The more you eat the more you fart: bought a 2010 Kia Forte Koup SX.


Basically a Hyundai Elantra with some modifications. Made in Korea but they're shifting manufacturing over to the US Georgia plant in a year or two.
 
2012-10-30 12:03:39 PM

zipdog: Krymson Tyde: I thought it was Found On Road Dead.

No comment re: Pontiac.

I thought it was Farker Only Rolls Downhill.


farked on race day.
 
2012-10-30 12:04:48 PM

unlikely: Elzar: I would rather give my money to the hardworking Japanese

Bad news for you: Your Toyota was probably built in Alabama or Kentucky


Both of my Hondas were made in Japan. Can trace them back to the actual factory.

I'm a bad American. :(
 
2012-10-30 12:07:33 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Tr0mBoNe: Why would I pay for this information?

From non-car experts, no less.

Toyotas have sucked for a decade. Reliable? For the most part. Good cars? No.


Guess that depends on what you want in a vehicle then. Reliable = good for me. Being reliable is the main reason I bought my tacoma. It may not have had every bell and whistle some of the other trucks I looked at but it farkin works. The people I know with other brands have all had pricey repairs over the years. The most expensive thing I've had to do is replace my tires.
 
2012-10-30 12:09:47 PM
I love my 2011 F-150. Very impressed with handling, ride, mpg, styling, and features.
 
2012-10-30 12:10:53 PM

Katie98_KT: verbaltoxin: We just became a Subaru family in September. The wife has an '07 Forester. I think it's great and she loves it. In a few years I want to get a Legacy or Impreza.

love subarus. we always had one, but ended up getting a prius a number of years ago. Then our local dealership basically dropped their subaru business and went all toyota. As in, their mechanics trained on subarus were so bad that they farked up the one we had.
So, we own toyotas. It works.


Legacy GTs are pretty sweet. The two problems I have with Subarus is they don't seem to be competitively priced, and the non-turbocharged models all feel weak to me. But they all handle beautifully and are a joy to drive, turbo or not.

Toyotas, on the other hand, feel like I'm driving a Maytag appliance. Great, it's reliable. But there's a point of drive-ability below which all the reliability in the world won't justify the shortcomings, and Toyotas are way below that.

Honda was headed the same direction but all of a sudden seems to be getting back on track, at least with the Accord.

Bottom line is these days, most cars are reliable enough for that not to be the major differentiating attribute, as long as we're not talking German-scale electronics malfunctions.
 
2012-10-30 12:15:06 PM

Lothar IB: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Tr0mBoNe: Why would I pay for this information?

From non-car experts, no less.

Toyotas have sucked for a decade. Reliable? For the most part. Good cars? No.

Guess that depends on what you want in a vehicle then. Reliable = good for me. Being reliable is the main reason I bought my tacoma. It may not have had every bell and whistle some of the other trucks I looked at but it farkin works. The people I know with other brands have all had pricey repairs over the years. The most expensive thing I've had to do is replace my tires.


I honestly can't speak for pickups, anyway. But I'd wager that "just works" is a higher priority for a utility vehicle. For cars, though, it HAS to be at least somewhat fun to drive. I can't stand floaty steering and schizophrenic suspension.
 
2012-10-30 12:15:50 PM
xynix:
The more you eat the more you fart: bought a 2010 Kia Forte Koup SX.

Basically a Hyundai Elantra with some modifications. Made in Korea but they're shifting manufacturing over to the US Georgia plant in a year or two.


Yeah, it IS a Hyundai Elantra with just a handful of modifications. Still, it's actually become a pretty good car. Minus my issues with the dealership honoring the warranty for the injector, the car is been flawless.

It doesn't sound like much, but mine is an SX with the 2.4L engine with 173HP. It's quick enough to smoke a v-6 mustang in the 1/4 mile, but the absolute BEST part is that with just a CAI and a freeer-flowing exhaust (I have a Borla system on it), it will get 41mpg in top gear at 55mph, and at 75mph, it returns a solid 36mpg.

Mine is a 6-speed manual.
 
2012-10-30 12:16:19 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: mysticcat: Most of Ford's reliability issues have to do with the audio system- Sync/my Ford Touch. It sucks.

It seems a bit disingenuous for CR to treat issues with the infotainment console the same as drive train problems for the purposes of reliability (especially when many competitors have no viable equivalent). I agree though, Touch kinda sucks, but I always found Sync to be pretty cool for the phone features alone. Once you get your cell connected to the thing, it's really hard to go back to life without it (if you're on the road a lot).


I bought a 2012 Honda Accord last month and LOVE it. It was involved in a minor accident last week (biatch hit it while it was parked). Anyway, while it was being repaired, I was given a Limited Edition Ford Taurus to drive...wow...what a horrible, steaming pile of shiat of a car. You could not pay me enough to drive that thing on a daily basis. Yeah, it was fast, handled relatively well, smooth ride and all, but the internal design was horrific. Small windows, huge blind spots, glossy/reflective dash that the sun reflected right into your eyes...
 
2012-10-30 12:18:13 PM
Disclaimer: the MPG nubmers I reported are according to the the trip computer.

doing the full up, drive, fill up then calculate actual MPG, the car averages roughly 33MPG. Not too shabby for mixed driving, and I'm exactly overly-conservative with the throttle.
 
2012-10-30 12:20:59 PM

Lothar IB: Guess that depends on what you want in a vehicle then. Reliable = good for me. Being reliable is the main reason I bought my tacoma. It may not have had every bell and whistle some of the other trucks I looked at but it farkin works. The people I know with other brands have all had pricey repairs over the years. The most expensive thing I've had to do is replace my tires.


Yep, I wish my 98 Tacoma was roomier, but I needed cheap and reliable and I got it. All it's ever needed was fresh tires and wipers and a couple of batteries. That's it, and it's got 106,000 miles on the odometer. Not fancy, but damn dependable. Wish American automakers would realize that "reliable" is a serious selling point for a lot of us who can't afford to replace a car every 2-3 years.
 
2012-10-30 12:21:08 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7407777/80361140#c80361140" target="_blank">SacriliciousBeerSwiller</a>:</b> <i>mysticcat: Most of Ford's reliability issues have to do with the audio system- Sync/my Ford Touch. It sucks.

It seems a bit disingenuous for CR to treat issues with the infotainment console the same as drive train problems for the purposes of reliability (especially when many competitors have no viable equivalent). I agree though, Touch kinda sucks, but I always found Sync to be pretty cool for the phone features alone. Once you get your cell connected to the thing, it's really hard to go back to life without it (if you're on the road a lot).</i>

Why is the <b>infotainment</b> system even considered part of the car? Is there an infotainment system that does anything that an iphone (or similar device) can't do? Make phone call, store and play your MP3s, give turn by turn directions? Okay, so it may be intergrated into the dash board and car speeakers, but so what.
My car gets 45 mpg, has 450 hp and does 0 to 60 in .8 seconds, but I envey you 10 terabyte hard drive.
 
2012-10-30 12:22:39 PM
I bought a new Ford F-150 in early 2010.
If i wrote everything that has gone wrong with this enormous lemon, i would fill the internet and you guys would be mad at me.
Oh and the dealership is so crooked it seems to be right out of a movie.

/exploding windows
 
2012-10-30 12:22:57 PM

Endive Wombat: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: mysticcat: Most of Ford's reliability issues have to do with the audio system- Sync/my Ford Touch. It sucks.

It seems a bit disingenuous for CR to treat issues with the infotainment console the same as drive train problems for the purposes of reliability (especially when many competitors have no viable equivalent). I agree though, Touch kinda sucks, but I always found Sync to be pretty cool for the phone features alone. Once you get your cell connected to the thing, it's really hard to go back to life without it (if you're on the road a lot).

I bought a 2012 Honda Accord last month and LOVE it. It was involved in a minor accident last week (biatch hit it while it was parked). Anyway, while it was being repaired, I was given a Limited Edition Ford Taurus to drive...wow...what a horrible, steaming pile of shiat of a car. You could not pay me enough to drive that thing on a daily basis. Yeah, it was fast, handled relatively well, smooth ride and all, but the internal design was horrific. Small windows, huge blind spots, glossy/reflective dash that the sun reflected right into your eyes...


Not a fan of the Taurus. You just hated the interior styling (I actually think the outside is butt ugly too). But even you admitted that it drives well. Still, the Taurus is a larger class of car than the Accord. It's gonna feel awkward even without those issues.

Either way, not sure which aspect of my post you were responding to.
 
2012-10-30 12:23:27 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Part of Ford's business model is to make post sale money on parts. It actually funds the purchase of the car itself.


No that's GM's plan.
Make it last 36k miles, after that screw it, come on by your GM dealer and get a new one.
 
2012-10-30 12:25:30 PM
I think "reliability issues" reporting need to focus on stuff that actually matter.

There is a large difference between:

"OMG! My DVD / InfoTainment / Latte maker system is fritzy!"

to

"OMG! The brakes fall off when stopping going downhill!"
 
2012-10-30 12:29:12 PM

AirForceVet: I think I'll stick with Mazdas for a while longer.


If it's a pre-2010 Mazda, you probably still have Ford parts.

/06 Mazda 3.
//Farking Ford engine mounts LOVE to fail.
///Other than that, solid car.
 
2012-10-30 12:29:21 PM
Password protected for anything of substance.

DIAF, subby.
 
2012-10-30 12:29:30 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Katie98_KT: verbaltoxin: We just became a Subaru family in September. The wife has an '07 Forester. I think it's great and she loves it. In a few years I want to get a Legacy or Impreza.

love subarus. we always had one, but ended up getting a prius a number of years ago. Then our local dealership basically dropped their subaru business and went all toyota. As in, their mechanics trained on subarus were so bad that they farked up the one we had.
So, we own toyotas. It works.

Legacy GTs are pretty sweet. The two problems I have with Subarus is they don't seem to be competitively priced, and the non-turbocharged models all feel weak to me. But they all handle beautifully and are a joy to drive, turbo or not.

Toyotas, on the other hand, feel like I'm driving a Maytag appliance. Great, it's reliable. But there's a point of drive-ability below which all the reliability in the world won't justify the shortcomings, and Toyotas are way below that.

Honda was headed the same direction but all of a sudden seems to be getting back on track, at least with the Accord.

Bottom line is these days, most cars are reliable enough for that not to be the major differentiating attribute, as long as we're not talking German-scale electronics malfunctions.


agreed, the pricing on subarus is strange. I've heard its mostly due to the AWD, which is expensive (but one of the major benefits).

My corolla is extremely boring to drive, but considering my commute is 10 miles, to park in a train station (and soon will be 10 miles to park in a parking lot), its just.. not.. an issue.

also, I looked at the subaru WRX when it first came out, and the salesman said straight to my face that using premium gas was a benefit (this would have been 2002 I guess?) and I straight out laughed in his face. I'll give up a turbo for not paying for premium gas. fark that shiat.
 
2012-10-30 12:30:35 PM

unlikely: Elzar: I would rather give my money to the hardworking Japanese

Bad news for you: Your Toyota was probably built in Alabama or Kentucky


Mine was made in San Antonio, TX and I'm fine with that.
 
2012-10-30 12:31:16 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: xynix:
The more you eat the more you fart: bought a 2010 Kia Forte Koup SX.

Basically a Hyundai Elantra with some modifications. Made in Korea but they're shifting manufacturing over to the US Georgia plant in a year or two.

Yeah, it IS a Hyundai Elantra with just a handful of modifications. Still, it's actually become a pretty good car. Minus my issues with the dealership honoring the warranty for the injector, the car is been flawless.

It doesn't sound like much, but mine is an SX with the 2.4L engine with 173HP. It's quick enough to smoke a v-6 mustang in the 1/4 mile, but the absolute BEST part is that with just a CAI and a freeer-flowing exhaust (I have a Borla system on it), it will get 41mpg in top gear at 55mph, and at 75mph, it returns a solid 36mpg.

Mine is a 6-speed manual.


Smoking V6 Mustangs (300HP)? Getthefarkoutofhere.

/You Lie!
 
2012-10-30 12:31:57 PM
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How do they deal with this? I'll be making a buying decision right here.
 
2012-10-30 12:32:42 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: Yeah, it IS a Hyundai Elantra with just a handful of modifications. Still, it's actually become a pretty good car


Oh yeah they're good cars and the warranty is awesome. It's just interesting how much the auto industry has changed in the last decade. The American auto industry is thriving, just not always the Big 3.

Northern_Pike: Oh and the dealership is so crooked it seems to be right out of a movie.


I had a Mustang Cobra .. the 1996 Mystic Douchebag one. I had that thing in the shop every month with something different breaking each time. At 40k they wouldn't honor the warranty on the clutch plate cracking (wtf that is). So I slowly drove it back to the dealership, handed them the keys, and told them to pound sand. Kind of hurt my credit though.. It was liberating when the owner called me and asked me to come get my car and I told him it was Ford's car and they could keep the farking thing.
 
2012-10-30 12:32:44 PM
My Ford is one of the best cars ever made. Reliable as all heck, roomy, and packed with features--or, at least, it can be if you so choose. Plus, it was cheap. Of course, they don't sell the british ford moneo in the USA, so most of you don't have a chance.
 
2012-10-30 12:33:16 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: It doesn't sound like much, but mine is an SX with the 2.4L engine with 173HP. It's quick enough to smoke a v-6 mustang in the 1/4 mile


No. Just...no. Not a current gen, at least.

From Google:
Kia Koup SX - approx. 16 sec 1/4 mile
Mustang V-6 - approx. 14 sec 1/4 mile

It's not even close enough for environment/driver differences to overcome.
 
2012-10-30 12:33:49 PM

AirForceVet: I think I'll stick with Mazdas for a while longer.


The big joke is that Mazada's are re-skinned Fords.

Well re-skinned european Fords. Mazda 2 = Fiesta, Mazda 3 = european Focus, Mazda 6 = Mondeo.

Ford USA took the Focus, which is a fantastic car and ruin it. That takes a real special kind of idiot.
 
2012-10-30 12:34:55 PM

Bomb Head Mohammed: My Ford is one of the best cars ever made. Reliable as all heck, roomy, and packed with features--or, at least, it can be if you so choose. Plus, it was cheap. Of course, they don't sell the british ford moneo in the USA, so most of you don't have a chance.


The 2013 Fusion is for all intents and purposes a Mondeo.
 
2012-10-30 12:36:14 PM

Norfolking Chance: AirForceVet: I think I'll stick with Mazdas for a while longer.

The big joke is that Mazada's are re-skinned Fords.

Well re-skinned european Fords. Mazda 2 = Fiesta, Mazda 3 = european Focus, Mazda 6 = Mondeo.

Ford USA took the Focus, which is a fantastic car and ruin it. That takes a real special kind of idiot.


The Mazda 6 changed from that platform a couple of years ago.
 
2012-10-30 12:38:09 PM
Love my 2011 Ford Fusion. I recommend it to anyone who wants a good, solid car with nice mpg (avg 28). Still not loving the Sync system but i can get used to it. Now the My Ford Touch system... not a fan. Parents have it in their 2012 Lincoln MKX and damn thing is too irritating to use.

/dad is a Ford retiree (35+ years on the job).
//will always buy Ford products.
 
2012-10-30 12:44:04 PM
I always do pretty much the opposite of what Consumer Reports tells me to do. With consistently good results.
 
2012-10-30 12:44:31 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: For cars, though, it HAS to be at least somewhat fun to drive. I can't stand floaty steering and schizophrenic suspension.


I disagree. The only things I look at when deciding what car to get are total cost of ownership over 10 years, if it fit everything I need it to, and safety. I don't care if it is fun or stylish because I consider a car just another appliance and can't wait for self driving vehicles.
 
2012-10-30 12:47:36 PM

HKWolf: Still not loving the Sync system but i can get used to it


Would be better if it were programmed to interpret statements resulting from frustration over its failure to understand your initial command. E.G., if I say "call Bob" and it asks me to repeat myself three times, it would be nice for it to comprehend "I SAID CALL BOB YOU STUPID F*CKING C**T". Because yeah, it gets irritating. Still an infinitely better and safer option than dialing/handling the phone itself, which I flat out refuse to do.
 
2012-10-30 12:50:05 PM
Article also says several Ford models are totally new designs and they cannot predict reliability.
 
2012-10-30 12:51:23 PM

Carth: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: For cars, though, it HAS to be at least somewhat fun to drive. I can't stand floaty steering and schizophrenic suspension.

I disagree. The only things I look at when deciding what car to get are total cost of ownership over 10 years, if it fit everything I need it to, and safety. I don't care if it is fun or stylish because I consider a car just another appliance and can't wait for self driving vehicles.


Hey, self driving vehicles will be great. But if I am spending my time controlling the vehicle myself, it better be engaging, because it's not as if you can spend that time doing something more fulfilling. Further, in crappy weather or "holy sh*t" events, good handling becomes a safety issue.
 
2012-10-30 12:56:27 PM

WordyGrrl: Lothar IB: Guess that depends on what you want in a vehicle then. Reliable = good for me. Being reliable is the main reason I bought my tacoma. It may not have had every bell and whistle some of the other trucks I looked at but it farkin works. The people I know with other brands have all had pricey repairs over the years. The most expensive thing I've had to do is replace my tires.

Yep, I wish my 98 Tacoma was roomier, but I needed cheap and reliable and I got it. All it's ever needed was fresh tires and wipers and a couple of batteries. That's it, and it's got 106,000 miles on the odometer. Not fancy, but damn dependable. Wish American automakers would realize that "reliable" is a serious selling point for a lot of us who can't afford to replace a car every 2-3 years.


Wife made me give up on my '94 (pre-Tacoma) pickup this year. I replaced it with a 2012 Tacoma. A warped head on the old one eventually led to a stuck valve. Truth told, it was probably my fault as the head warpage happened/started one summer about 5 years ago when it lost it's coolant through a pinhole leak in a brass fitting and the engine overheated. That fitting probably corroded because I had never flushed the coolant system. I guess 18 years and almost 180k miles wasn't too bad, considering the abuse I gave it. The only major fixes to it in that time were a new timing chain and new water pump.

Waylon Jennings: "Wish a Ford and Chevy would still last for 10 years like they should."
Me: "Wish a Toyota pickup would still last 20 years like it should."

/Still have the old one. Told my son if he could replace the head, he could have it.
 
2012-10-30 12:57:18 PM
I'm so glad my tax dollars were used to 'bail out' an auto industry that continues to fail.
 
2012-10-30 12:58:55 PM
Waylon Jennings Merle Haggard

/!!!
 
2012-10-30 01:02:15 PM
I just bought a Rav4, thus completing our transition to all Japanese cars (hubby has a 370z), and I'll never look back.

The Chevy Tracker I had *DID* last for 11 years and I put 150k miles on it, but what do you expect for a Canadian-built, Japanese car with an American badge slapped on it? I also didn't appreciate that it was the most cheaply made car on earth and somehow the engine overheated to the point that it melted one of the spark plugs.

Husband had two Audis in succession prior to his Z. Let me tell you something: never buy a goddamn German car unless you want to have it in the shop more than you have it on the road.
 
2012-10-30 01:26:04 PM

Urinal Cake Mix: I just bought a Rav4, thus completing our transition to all Japanese cars (hubby has a 370z), and I'll never look back.


I don't know about the Toyota (never owned one), but I love my Z. I went with an American car, actually an SUV, for a few years with no issues, but I just find Nissans much more stylish and fun to drive. My parents' Maxima has about 150,000 miles on it and only ever needed an oil change and new tires. I'll never keep a car that long, but it's nice to feel like I could.

/15,000 miles on mine and still loving it
 
2012-10-30 01:37:22 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller:
Not a fan of the Taurus. But even you admitted that it drives well. Still, the Taurus is a larger class of car than the


Drives well? Are you accustomed to driving horse-drawn rocks?
 
2012-10-30 01:38:21 PM
Don't understand why we still call them "American Car Company's" 3/4 of the parts are made in Mexico.
 
2012-10-30 01:41:18 PM
2004 cavalier LS Sport 4 door, bought it new, now has 159,000 miles. Only repairs have been the front wheel bearings, along with regular maintenance things like fluids, filters, brakes, S belt, etc. Still runs like new, interior is mint...front bumper has some stone dings, other than exterior is mint as well.

Its amazing what actually taking care of things can do.
 
2012-10-30 01:43:20 PM

DingleberryMoose: zipdog: Krymson Tyde: I thought it was Found On Road Dead.

No comment re: Pontiac.

I thought it was Farker Only Rolls Downhill.

farked on race day.


Farked Over Re-built Dodge
 
2012-10-30 01:44:12 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Carth: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: For cars, though, it HAS to be at least somewhat fun to drive. I can't stand floaty steering and schizophrenic suspension.

I disagree. The only things I look at when deciding what car to get are total cost of ownership over 10 years, if it fit everything I need it to, and safety. I don't care if it is fun or stylish because I consider a car just another appliance and can't wait for self driving vehicles.

Hey, self driving vehicles will be great. But if I am spending my time controlling the vehicle myself, it better be engaging, because it's not as if you can spend that time doing something more fulfilling. Further, in crappy weather or "holy sh*t" events, good handling becomes a safety issue.


Agreed. The upgraded struts, tires, and brake pads & rotors Ive installed have been wonderful. My car is far from a performance machine, but its very responsive due to the upgrades.
 
2012-10-30 01:44:23 PM
Never trust a pedestrian rag such as Consumer's Report.

Both my Aston Martin and Ferrari routinely get dismal reviews. The amount of skirt I get when driving about more than makes up for a few silly repair bills. Plus, we have to keep the lower class working.

Ciao!
 
2012-10-30 01:49:32 PM
You're all missing the most important point here:

Fix or repair daily is clearly the weakest car acronym ever devised. I mean come ON! Fix or repair? They're farking synonymous! Oh dear god how do I choose! I could fix it today, or hmmm! Maybe I'll repair it! fark off, it's only 4 words, you could at least manage to put forth a little effort and not repeat yourself by the time you get to word 3. It's like those damn songs that rhyme a word with the SAME WORD. GRAAAAAAAH

/grr. arrgh.
 
2012-10-30 02:07:21 PM

Rezurok: You're all missing the most important point here:

Fix or repair daily is clearly the weakest car acronym ever devised. I mean come ON! Fix or repair? They're farking synonymous! Oh dear god how do I choose! I could fix it today, or hmmm! Maybe I'll repair it! fark off, it's only 4 words, you could at least manage to put forth a little effort and not repeat yourself by the time you get to word 3. It's like those damn songs that rhyme a word with the SAME WORD. GRAAAAAAAH

/grr. arrgh.


Fix Or Replace ?
 
2012-10-30 02:15:50 PM
As someone who had fatal head gasket issues, overheating, and numerous other repair issues with her Subarus and has had no problems with the new Ford Focus other than initially adjusting to the weird transmission...meh. CR can suck it.
 
2012-10-30 02:16:37 PM
1997 Ford F-250 Crew Cap Pick Up. Dk Hunter Green 280,000 miles. Std. Tranny. Doesn't burn oil and has never left me on the side of the road in the harsh cruel world of Freedom, Wyoming. And everyone says, "wow still looks like new".
 
2012-10-30 02:19:06 PM
Figure On Repair Daily
 
2012-10-30 02:27:31 PM
Own Ford Ranger, engine from Germany. Ford failed to check head bolt torque specs before installing 4.0 engine in Ranger. No less than 7 trips to the Ford dealer with the answer of "Don't know why it leaks oil or pings". I fixed it after 6 hours playing with it.

3rd light leaks. Ford doesn't sell 3rd light or gasket for it. This year rear sliding window leaks.

Had 93 Nissan pickup, tranny made nosies, day one. At it's end everything leaked (head gasket, tranny, valve cover, etc). Wouldn't buy another Nissan.

Previous Toyota 4x4 pickup had zero issues @ 135K, when I sold it. I miss it. Will buy another pickup (Tacoma / Tundra).
 
2012-10-30 02:28:05 PM
Still can't compare to the Fix It Again Tony my aunt had for a few years. At least with American cars, you could work on them yourself if you were so inclined. (Not as true anymore.)

xynix: Because People in power are Stupid: Part of Ford's business model is to make post sale money on parts. It actually funds the purchase of the car itself.

That is Mitsubishi's profit model on the Eclipse and always has been. Sell a cheap ass car for cost and make it up on repairs.


Guess my experience with the 3G is why they stopped making them.

/2000 and still going - beat up body and electrical, but just won't stop running.
 
2012-10-30 02:34:39 PM

Amusement: Own Ford Ranger, engine from Germany. Ford failed to check head bolt torque specs before installing 4.0 engine in Ranger. No less than 7 trips to the Ford dealer with the answer of "Don't know why it leaks oil or pings". I fixed it after 6 hours playing with it.

3rd light leaks. Ford doesn't sell 3rd light or gasket for it. This year rear sliding window leaks.

Had 93 Nissan pickup, tranny made nosies, day one. At it's end everything leaked (head gasket, tranny, valve cover, etc). Wouldn't buy another Nissan.

Previous Toyota 4x4 pickup had zero issues @ 135K, when I sold it. I miss it. Will buy another pickup (Tacoma / Tundra).


You ever watch the Top Gear episode where they tried to kill a Toyota Hilux (Basically the Tacoma)? It's a classic.
 
2012-10-30 02:44:44 PM

phyrkrakr: Having just become quite frustrated over an issue with my '06 Ford Fusion, I feel this pain - but not too seriously. Mechanically, the car has been fine - no transmission, engine, suspension, etc problems whatsoever, and it's just now turned over 70K (2.3L 5spd).

But I had the battery go out on it last week. No big deal, but it's getting cold, didn't want to push start it in the snow, so I took it to the auto store and had it tested. They said dead, I got a new one, went home and put it in. Everything works great - car starts just fine, I only drop one screw, etc. But when I go to drive it somewhere, the damn thing won't come out of idle. Pedal to the floor, it won't get over 1200 RPM.

Turns out there's some computer-controlled throttle business that "learns" how you work the engine, and has to "relearn" after you disconnect the battery. So I have to let it idle for 10 min (up to operating temp + some extra time) then TURN ON THE AC to get it into "relearning" mode. After that, worked fine, but what the hell, Ford? If the battery is removed and replaced, the computer locks out the accelerator? That's ridiculous.


Mine forgets what idle is every time the battery is disconnected and wants to die every time it comes to a stop. You can either idle it for 15-20 minutes (it varies) with your foot on the pedal just lightly enough to keep it above 400 so it doesn't just die, or if you don't have time, you just drive it like a stick for a week or two, putting it in neutral and giving it a touch of gas when you come to a stop, until it accumulates enough idle time. It'll suddenly decide out of nowhere that 600 is the magic number, and all will be good again. Having had multiple dead batteries, I'm resigned to it now.

I have no idea why it takes 15 minutes to "learn" something that should take no more than 15-20 seconds, and I don't know why any auto needs to "learn" that it needs some revs to not die - it always picks the same idle in the end, so I'm not sure what it's learning, either.
 
2012-10-30 02:51:48 PM

bdub77: Amusement: Own Ford Ranger, engine from Germany. Ford failed to check head bolt torque specs before installing 4.0 engine in Ranger. No less than 7 trips to the Ford dealer with the answer of "Don't know why it leaks oil or pings". I fixed it after 6 hours playing with it.

3rd light leaks. Ford doesn't sell 3rd light or gasket for it. This year rear sliding window leaks.

Had 93 Nissan pickup, tranny made nosies, day one. At it's end everything leaked (head gasket, tranny, valve cover, etc). Wouldn't buy another Nissan.

Previous Toyota 4x4 pickup had zero issues @ 135K, when I sold it. I miss it. Will buy another pickup (Tacoma / Tundra).

You ever watch the Top Gear episode where they tried to kill a Toyota Hilux (Basically the Tacoma)? It's a classic.


Watched Hilux Top Gear episodes. Worthy viewing.
 
2012-10-30 02:58:14 PM

Eckyhade: 1997 Ford F-250 Crew Cap Pick Up. Dk Hunter Green 280,000 miles. Std. Tranny. Doesn't burn oil and has never left me on the side of the road in the harsh cruel world of Freedom, Wyoming. And everyone says, "wow still looks like new".


Ok thenlet's discuss FIAT...at my house in Italy where I am right now I drive a 2010 Fiat Panda Cross. 60,000km. Lease up in 6 months. more than 10 people have said when you turn it in let me know so I can bid on it. Scheduled maintenance isn't an inconvenience...it's an engineered part of the design.

People...you can't just put fuel in a car and expect it to retain it's performance or value. You have to use preventive maintenance. I can tell you're all a bunch of nasty abusers that blame anyone for any trouble on anything you own. Just run it into the ground and complain. That's why I'm well off and you're poor.
 
2012-10-30 03:00:01 PM
The actual article is here.

The first car that I ever owned was an 86' Ford Escort. This was around 1990 or so. I lasted a whole six months and nearly 3,000 miles before the engine seized up and died. Sold to scrap yard.

My next car was a 1980 Toyota Corolla. This was in the mid 90s. After several years and even an accident, finally a mechanic forgot to hook up the thermostat after I replaced a leaky radiator that caused the whole thing to overheat without my knowing (since the temperature gauge wasn't working). It wasn't until the second cylinder head cracked that the car actually died. Sold it to a different mechanic who eventually got it working again. Wouldn't be surprised if that one was still running to this day, too.

Currently driving a 1994 Toyota Tercel. One time I was driving from Detroit to St.Petersburg and cracked a cylinder rod, which somehow knocked out two cylinders, just outside of Atlanta and still made it to St.Petersburg before it actually died. Had to have to the engine rebuilt after that, but I figured the car had earned the love after that kind of achievement. Still driving it to this day (Since it was actually built in 1993, next year it will be turning 20). Exhaust is a bit loud, but otherwise still runs fine.
 
2012-10-30 03:01:09 PM
a '68 galaxie was one of the finest cars i've ever owned

a '94 t-bird was the biggest piece of shiat ever with everything going wrong all the time. door falling off? wtf?
 
2012-10-30 03:01:55 PM

zipdog: Krymson Tyde: I thought it was Found On Road Dead.

No comment re: Pontiac.

I thought it was Farker Only Rolls Downhill.


Nice. Anyone do Driver Returns On Foot?
 
2012-10-30 03:09:10 PM

Omahawg: a '68 galaxie was one of the finest cars i've ever owned


My great-grandmother had a 69 galaxy 500 with a 390. That car would flat-out fly, and she drove it hard.
 
2012-10-30 03:10:19 PM
I just got a 2012 Ford Focus in July.

So far, no issues other then the "GET OUTTA FIRST NAOW" transmission.

I
 
2012-10-30 03:28:12 PM
"Hello, you're on Car Talk!" "Yes, Hi guys! I need you to settle a dispute that I'm having with my boyfriend."

"Ho-kay..." "He says my car won't start because the battery is gone, but I can still it!"

/Ford man, here
 
2012-10-30 03:29:56 PM
"see it!"

/long day
 
2012-10-30 03:47:11 PM

Rezurok: You're all missing the most important point here:

Fix or repair daily is clearly the weakest car acronym ever devised. I mean come ON! Fix or repair? They're farking synonymous! Oh dear god how do I choose! I could fix it today, or hmmm! Maybe I'll repair it! fark off, it's only 4 words, you could at least manage to put forth a little effort and not repeat yourself by the time you get to word 3. It's like those damn songs that rhyme a word with the SAME WORD. GRAAAAAAAH

/grr. arrgh.


Your brain *WILL* explode if you have to ensure listening to a Nicki Minaj rhyme...
 
2012-10-30 03:48:57 PM

phyrkrakr: Having just become quite frustrated over an issue with my '06 Ford Fusion, I feel this pain - but not too seriously. Mechanically, the car has been fine - no transmission, engine, suspension, etc problems whatsoever, and it's just now turned over 70K (2.3L 5spd).


SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Adaptive automatic transmissions are actually very common these days. Common enough that manufacturers don't even bother highlighting them in marketing materials.

And yeah, they can be annoying as shiat. Also makes test driving a pain, since until the ECU learns your driving habits, it's not gonna give you an accurate idea of how it will actually perform.


If you mean learning throttle control, I still wasn't expecting it in a car that I intentionally bought to have as few bells and whistles as possible. And although my wife's '09 Impreza has a learning throttle as well, pulling the battery in her car didn't cause the throttle to completely cut out and refuse to work until I figured out the right cheat code to turn it back on.

Mostly, I'm just pissed because I had someplace to be that afternoon, the battery died that morning, and I was trying to get the whole thing fixed over my lunch break while it was parked on the street. Finding some voodoo ritual on page 47 of the manual I had to track down online wasn't exactly improving my mood, especially since the maintenance guy at the dealership had never heard of anything like that happening before. Oh well, one frustrating emergency repair that almost made me late for a meeting doesn't negate the otherwise-solid repair history I've had with it.
 
2012-10-30 03:49:45 PM
M'eh, are they considering standard maintenance too or not? I've owned bunch of vehicles over the years and honestly, none of them really givent me much trouble. Biggest thing that happend was the transmission going on on a 95 Dodge Caravan. It was still under warranty and was fixed. Works like a champ even today with 150k miles on it.

thinking about getting Subaru WRX STi soon =]
 
2012-10-30 04:01:07 PM
Consumer experience story. Unlikely anecdote! Voice of Experience(tm) leading to Overbroad generalized conclusion.
 
2012-10-30 04:11:01 PM
Man, you guys all got fancy new rides. I drive a 1981 Datsun 510, 250,000+ miles on it, second owner, runs great, no trouble, I love it. Still has the stock AM (no FM) radio, and some lovely hand-painted baby blue trim from the crazy old lady I bought it from.

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-30 04:16:45 PM
I hate to say it, but I don't think I'll buy American cars. I flat out don't trust them. BUT, I will buy an American-built foreign car. At least I can get something reliable that contributed to USA jobs that way.


Currently:
2004 Ford Taurus, 80,000 miles, currently experiencing slipping transmission. Will trade in soon for 2013 Camry LE Hybrid.

2002 Camry LE, 182,000 miles, perfect, except for a burned out window motor. Giving to the high-schooler, so not bothering to fix.

Previously:
1987 GMC Vandura, 235,000 miles, multiple broken idler pulleys, and one broken heat exchanger. Donated to charity when electrical problems started.

1985 Cutlass Ciera, 135,000 miles, piece of shiat, donated to charity.

1983 Corolla, 135,000 miles, perfect, except for all the traffic accidents, sold for $200
1993 Tercel, 136,000 miles, perfect, traded in for new Corolla
1999 Corolla, 133,000 miles, perfect, traded in for 2002 Camry
 
2012-10-30 04:36:14 PM
I think I'll stick with my Suzuki SX4 AWD. CR has been out to get Suzuki since the BS sensationalist crap against the Samurai. Suzuki has great reliability numbers, if you look at data from a reputable source instead of JD Power.

/CR is crap
//Heck, their top 3 reliable cars on the list are considered poor purchases
 
2012-10-30 04:39:59 PM

verbaltoxin: We just became a Subaru family in September. The wife has an '07 Forester. I think it's great and she loves it. In a few years I want to get a Legacy or Impreza.


Thanks!

/they make the Legacy and Outback and Tribeca about 2 miles away from my house.
//keep my neighbors working, please.
 
2012-10-30 04:40:41 PM

Katie98_KT: also, I looked at the subaru WRX when it first came out, and the salesman said straight to my face that using premium gas was a benefit (this would have been 2002 I guess?) and I straight out laughed in his face. I'll give up a turbo for not paying for premium gas. fark that shiat.


At $4.00/gallon, that's a 5% penalty, tops.
 
2012-10-30 04:41:41 PM

fickenchucker: I hate to say it, but I don't think I'll buy American cars. I flat out don't trust them. BUT, I will buy an American-built foreign car. At least I can get something reliable that contributed to USA jobs that way. [car experience]


Mine:
2002 Saturn Vue, 145k miles, still going well
2001 (or so, it's been a while) Monte Carlo, wrecked at 179k
1998 Jeep Cherokee, son wrecked at 202k

Mrs. Moose's:
1999 Blazer, 225k, still going well
1997 Pontiac Grand Prix, given to my son at 295k

Moral of the story: change your oil and you can drive it forever.
 
2012-10-30 04:46:48 PM

fickenchucker: 1985 Cutlass Ciera, 135,000 miles, piece of shiat, donated to charity.

1983 Corolla, 135,000 miles, perfect, except for all the traffic accidents, sold for $200
1993 Tercel, 136,000 miles, perfect, traded in for new Corolla
1999 Corolla, 133,000 miles, perfect, traded in for 2002 Camry


Cieras were bullet proof. Their fatal flaw was rust, but I still see those bastards on the road, 25 years later.
 
2012-10-30 04:54:16 PM
Just read the latest WIRED article on Ford's efforts to balance reliability with cost containment and fuel economy/performance/etc. Sounds like Consumer Reports is not impressed.
 
2012-10-30 04:54:30 PM

DingleberryMoose: fickenchucker: I hate to say it, but I don't think I'll buy American cars. I flat out don't trust them. BUT, I will buy an American-built foreign car. At least I can get something reliable that contributed to USA jobs that way. [car experience]

Mine:
2002 Saturn Vue, 145k miles, still going well
2001 (or so, it's been a while) Monte Carlo, wrecked at 179k
1998 Jeep Cherokee, son wrecked at 202k

Mrs. Moose's:
1999 Blazer, 225k, still going well
1997 Pontiac Grand Prix, given to my son at 295k

Moral of the story: change your oil and you can drive it forever.


Flush your cooling system too. (see my story above)
 
2012-10-30 05:18:39 PM
DingleberryMoose: fickenchucker: I hate to say it, but I don't think I'll buy American cars. I flat out don't trust them. BUT, I will buy an American-built foreign car. At least I can get something reliable that contributed to USA jobs that way. [car experience]

Mine:
2002 Saturn Vue, 145k miles, still going well
2001 (or so, it's been a while) Monte Carlo, wrecked at 179k
1998 Jeep Cherokee, son wrecked at 202k

Mrs. Moose's:
1999 Blazer, 225k, still going well
1997 Pontiac Grand Prix, given to my son at 295k

Moral of the story: change your oil and you can drive it forever.


Unless it's a Ford Ranger, the key is never changing the oil. Had 3 buddies use this method and never had a problem. As for the next guy who did change the sludge, probably didn't last long.
 
2012-10-30 05:33:49 PM
Oooh, a car thread just when I need one.
I'm expecting twins in a few months. I drive a Toyota compact. Several people have suggested I upgrade to an SUV. I don't want an SUV. Help a new mom out... What are my options?
 
2012-10-30 05:40:50 PM

Soymilk: Oooh, a car thread just when I need one.
I'm expecting twins in a few months. I drive a Toyota compact. Several people have suggested I upgrade to an SUV. I don't want an SUV. Help a new mom out... What are my options?


A van or a midsize sedan. Either will work, but I suppose it's up to your personal preference. Safest place to put kids is in the middle of the vehicle, however, twins will make this more difficult.

If you don't want an SUV, safest next car would be a van. It's an unattractive option, IMHO...but kids come before vanity.
 
2012-10-30 05:45:24 PM

Johnsnownw: Soymilk: Oooh, a car thread just when I need one.
I'm expecting twins in a few months. I drive a Toyota compact. Several people have suggested I upgrade to an SUV. I don't want an SUV. Help a new mom out... What are my options?

A van or a midsize sedan. Either will work, but I suppose it's up to your personal preference. Safest place to put kids is in the middle of the vehicle, however, twins will make this more difficult.

If you don't want an SUV, safest next car would be a van. It's an unattractive option, IMHO...but kids come before vanity.


Oh...so a station-wagon type thing would be right out? Sad face.
 
2012-10-30 06:11:26 PM
Soymilk: Oooh, a car thread just when I need one.
I'm expecting twins in a few months. I drive a Toyota compact. Several people have suggested I upgrade to an SUV. I don't want an SUV. Help a new mom out... What are my options?


Minivan, completly practical and perfect even if you have another kid. The hubby can even take out all the seats and use it like a cargo van. Oh and the room, you'll need it.
 
2012-10-30 06:29:00 PM
Farking Old Rebuilt Dodge
 
2012-10-30 06:30:18 PM
Cracked Head Every Valve Rattles Oil Leaks Every Time
 
2012-10-30 06:30:50 PM
Top 3 performers- Scion, Toyota, and Lexus.

So, Toyota, Toyota, and Toyota.
 
2012-10-30 07:52:40 PM

Soymilk: Oooh, a car thread just when I need one.
I'm expecting twins in a few months. I drive a Toyota compact. Several people have suggested I upgrade to an SUV. I don't want an SUV. Help a new mom out... What are my options?


Subaru Outback! Actually with new twins, I'm going to second the minivan. It will have MUCH more usable room inside than any SUV or other kind of vehicle except maybe a full sized cargo van. Get a minivan.
 
2012-10-30 08:27:20 PM
Bought our '98 Camry in 2000 for $12,000. Still driving it every day. 260,000 miles. Not one penny in non-routine maintenance. If they made another 1998 Camry for me, I would buy it again in 2 years.
 
2012-10-30 08:43:11 PM
If I just needed something to roll me around every day and didn't care much for how I got there, It'd be a Camry. Great ride and as reliable as an anvil.

I prefer to have a little more oomph than the average slather ass out there, so I go with the Subie WRX. Next car will probably be an Accord, so long as global warming keeps going the same way and we continue to not have snowy winters.

/ standard shift Subies in the snow are just a farking hoot
 
2012-10-30 09:55:03 PM
Since we've all [many of us] been singing praise to Toyotas [including me], and dissing American brands, let me share this bit on Honda. Drove my wife's Honda Civic about 1500 miles into summer vacation with no problems. Drove it back about the same number of miles returning. The next week, at 4 years old and 29978 miles (or thereabouts), she was driving home from work across town and the pulley on the water pump just broke off. She limped it the last mile and a half and made it home. I tried to work with the local dealer (not the one we bought it from new) and they insisted that I bring it in. Sitting in the driveway as it was, with the main and only belt non-functional for the missing pulley, I was not going to drive it in. I was also not going to have it towed, unless Honda gave me some positive sign that they'd cover that too - which turned out to be a hard sell since, while it was still under the 30k warranty miles, it was past the 3 year warranty limit. Even when I removed the water pump and broken-off pulley and offered to show it to the dealer's service manager, he sternly told me "stop bringing me parts. I have to inspect the car!" Well, I went ahead and fixed it myself, buying and replacing the water pump (with pulley attached), the belt and the belt tensioner which the broken-off pulley had machined itself halfway through.

I have yet to take these parts to the dealer to "inspect", because I don't expect to get any satisfaction. I still think they need to be aware of the problem. It appeared to me that the pulley was friction welded to the water pump shaft and that weld failed. If it had failed 750 miles into either part of our vacation trip, that would have been a real shiatter.
 
2012-10-30 10:58:37 PM
I'm still not going to be seen driving a Toyota.

Ech. Ugly anal cars that with today's reliability standards aren't much better at #1 than if they were #28. The margin is infinitesimal.

On top of that, after a Japanese car is out of warranty, the cost of repairing it is going to cost you several times the price of fixing an American car.

Go buy your ugly foreign cars, I buy American. Toyotas suck.
 
2012-10-30 11:00:52 PM

unlikely: Elzar: I would rather give my money to the hardworking Japanese

Bad news for you: Your Toyota was probably built in Alabama or Kentucky


Bad news back: The corporation that owns those plants in AL and KY is located in Tokyo, where the profits are counted.
 
2012-10-30 11:04:14 PM
1994 Ranger: 220,000 miles on the original motor. Sure, I've had to fix stuff on it. But at least it isn't a Jetta.
 
2012-10-30 11:22:04 PM

SoxSweepAgain: I'm still not going to be seen driving a Toyota.

Ech. Ugly anal cars that with today's reliability standards aren't much better at #1 than if they were #28. The margin is infinitesimal.

On top of that, after a Japanese car is out of warranty, the cost of repairing it is going to cost you several times the price of fixing an American car.

Go buy your ugly foreign cars, I buy American. Toyotas suck.


Wrong, wrong, wrong, good for you, and wrong.

My American-built Camry is as easy to fix at the neighborhood garage as some Fords or Chevys. Oftentimes easier and cheaper in this day and age of globalization. But I don't have to take it there very often, unlike my old Cutlass Ciera or GMC Vandura.

My dad is a GM man, and by gosh I wish he had fewer problems with them over the last 40 years. My father-in-law worked for GM for 30+ years. Now that he's paying for his own cars, versus supplied near-free, he's all Honda all the time.

My last hope for true reliability in America is Camry, and hopefully Ford when they prove it over the next decade or so.
 
2012-10-30 11:49:51 PM
My favorite vehicle EVER...was a 2009 Nissan Frontier SE V-6.

LOVED that truck. Another benefit was that the 4Liter V-6 was just a stroked version of the 3.7 in the 370Z and G37. Nismo parts definately fit.

Intake, exhaust, headers, etc all worked.

Damned 18-wheeler rear-ended me at a stoplight (I was going 0mph and he was going 50+)

Totalled my black extended cab truck.

/will buy a new Frontier when the new models come out for the 2015 model year.
 
2012-10-31 12:49:05 AM
Bwa-hahahaha Snort snort

Cab't you people tell when you're being rolled?

Ford withstood the Obama/Union Stalingrad attack to crush them into insolvency and corrupt Ford into just another unit of the Democrat Mafia.

Ergo - US Media claims Ford sucks.

Bwa-hahahaha. Jesus, I should start selling Florida swamp land to you liberal brains of mush. And finance it with easy easy payments.
 
2012-10-31 06:18:05 AM

Mumphochunk: 1994 Ranger: 220,000 miles on the original motor. Sure, I've had to fix stuff on it. But at least it isn't a Jetta.


I loved my '94 Ranger. Finally sold it off last summer, sadly. Learned to drive a stick shift with it when I got 'er in '96 and it still had the same transmission when I sold it.

Boy, was it a bucket of bolts at 180,000 miles, though, compared to our Camry...
 
2012-10-31 08:51:03 AM

SoxSweepAgain: I'm still not going to be seen driving a Toyota.


Fine.


cars that with today's reliability standards aren't much better at #1 than if they were #28. The margin is infinitesimal.


Maybe, but I grew up with shiatty (Pontiac), shiatty (Buick), butt ugly (AMC) American cars that left such a strong negative impression on me that by the time I could afford to buy my own, I swore it wouldn't be American. One inexplicable exception to the shiattiness was a Ford EXP (Escort variant) that made it to 230k miles, though it went through two transmissions to get there.

On top of that, after a Japanese car is out of warranty, the cost of repairing it is going to cost you several times the price of fixing an American car.


Now you're just talkin' out your ass. The local Toyota dealer's shop rate is the same as the Chevy/GM dealer next door and the Ford dealer across the street. My shade tree (elm) makes the same black spots on *all* makes and models. The new water pump for my wife's Honda Civic cost me $54. The same for a Chevy Cobalt runs $62.

Go buy your ugly foreign cars, I buy American.


Ah, styling. Sure, go ahead and buy from the country that brought you the Edsel, the Pacer and the Aztec because only foreigner's have a monopoly on ugly.

Toyotas suck
my dick, and it feels really great!
 
2012-10-31 01:09:42 PM

SoxSweepAgain: unlikely: Elzar: I would rather give my money to the hardworking Japanese

Bad news for you: Your Toyota was probably built in Alabama or Kentucky

Bad news back: The corporation that owns those plants in AL and KY is located in Tokyo, where the profits are counted.


So the jobs the American workers are getting are less important to you than the CEO salary. Thanks. Noted for later.
 
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