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(Consumer Reports)   The latest Consumer Reports' Annual Auto Reliability Survey has good news -- Toyota has rebounded nicely -- and some bad news -- apparently, it really does stand for "Fix Or Repair Daily"   (consumerreports.org) divider line 138
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2012-10-30 03:09:10 PM

Omahawg: a '68 galaxie was one of the finest cars i've ever owned


My great-grandmother had a 69 galaxy 500 with a 390. That car would flat-out fly, and she drove it hard.
 
2012-10-30 03:10:19 PM
I just got a 2012 Ford Focus in July.

So far, no issues other then the "GET OUTTA FIRST NAOW" transmission.

I
 
2012-10-30 03:28:12 PM
"Hello, you're on Car Talk!" "Yes, Hi guys! I need you to settle a dispute that I'm having with my boyfriend."

"Ho-kay..." "He says my car won't start because the battery is gone, but I can still it!"

/Ford man, here
 
2012-10-30 03:29:56 PM
"see it!"

/long day
 
2012-10-30 03:47:11 PM

Rezurok: You're all missing the most important point here:

Fix or repair daily is clearly the weakest car acronym ever devised. I mean come ON! Fix or repair? They're farking synonymous! Oh dear god how do I choose! I could fix it today, or hmmm! Maybe I'll repair it! fark off, it's only 4 words, you could at least manage to put forth a little effort and not repeat yourself by the time you get to word 3. It's like those damn songs that rhyme a word with the SAME WORD. GRAAAAAAAH

/grr. arrgh.


Your brain *WILL* explode if you have to ensure listening to a Nicki Minaj rhyme...
 
2012-10-30 03:48:57 PM

phyrkrakr: Having just become quite frustrated over an issue with my '06 Ford Fusion, I feel this pain - but not too seriously. Mechanically, the car has been fine - no transmission, engine, suspension, etc problems whatsoever, and it's just now turned over 70K (2.3L 5spd).


SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Adaptive automatic transmissions are actually very common these days. Common enough that manufacturers don't even bother highlighting them in marketing materials.

And yeah, they can be annoying as shiat. Also makes test driving a pain, since until the ECU learns your driving habits, it's not gonna give you an accurate idea of how it will actually perform.


If you mean learning throttle control, I still wasn't expecting it in a car that I intentionally bought to have as few bells and whistles as possible. And although my wife's '09 Impreza has a learning throttle as well, pulling the battery in her car didn't cause the throttle to completely cut out and refuse to work until I figured out the right cheat code to turn it back on.

Mostly, I'm just pissed because I had someplace to be that afternoon, the battery died that morning, and I was trying to get the whole thing fixed over my lunch break while it was parked on the street. Finding some voodoo ritual on page 47 of the manual I had to track down online wasn't exactly improving my mood, especially since the maintenance guy at the dealership had never heard of anything like that happening before. Oh well, one frustrating emergency repair that almost made me late for a meeting doesn't negate the otherwise-solid repair history I've had with it.
 
2012-10-30 03:49:45 PM
M'eh, are they considering standard maintenance too or not? I've owned bunch of vehicles over the years and honestly, none of them really givent me much trouble. Biggest thing that happend was the transmission going on on a 95 Dodge Caravan. It was still under warranty and was fixed. Works like a champ even today with 150k miles on it.

thinking about getting Subaru WRX STi soon =]
 
2012-10-30 04:01:07 PM
Consumer experience story. Unlikely anecdote! Voice of Experience(tm) leading to Overbroad generalized conclusion.
 
2012-10-30 04:11:01 PM
Man, you guys all got fancy new rides. I drive a 1981 Datsun 510, 250,000+ miles on it, second owner, runs great, no trouble, I love it. Still has the stock AM (no FM) radio, and some lovely hand-painted baby blue trim from the crazy old lady I bought it from.

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2012-10-30 04:16:45 PM
I hate to say it, but I don't think I'll buy American cars. I flat out don't trust them. BUT, I will buy an American-built foreign car. At least I can get something reliable that contributed to USA jobs that way.


Currently:
2004 Ford Taurus, 80,000 miles, currently experiencing slipping transmission. Will trade in soon for 2013 Camry LE Hybrid.

2002 Camry LE, 182,000 miles, perfect, except for a burned out window motor. Giving to the high-schooler, so not bothering to fix.

Previously:
1987 GMC Vandura, 235,000 miles, multiple broken idler pulleys, and one broken heat exchanger. Donated to charity when electrical problems started.

1985 Cutlass Ciera, 135,000 miles, piece of shiat, donated to charity.

1983 Corolla, 135,000 miles, perfect, except for all the traffic accidents, sold for $200
1993 Tercel, 136,000 miles, perfect, traded in for new Corolla
1999 Corolla, 133,000 miles, perfect, traded in for 2002 Camry
 
2012-10-30 04:36:14 PM
I think I'll stick with my Suzuki SX4 AWD. CR has been out to get Suzuki since the BS sensationalist crap against the Samurai. Suzuki has great reliability numbers, if you look at data from a reputable source instead of JD Power.

/CR is crap
//Heck, their top 3 reliable cars on the list are considered poor purchases
 
2012-10-30 04:39:59 PM

verbaltoxin: We just became a Subaru family in September. The wife has an '07 Forester. I think it's great and she loves it. In a few years I want to get a Legacy or Impreza.


Thanks!

/they make the Legacy and Outback and Tribeca about 2 miles away from my house.
//keep my neighbors working, please.
 
2012-10-30 04:40:41 PM

Katie98_KT: also, I looked at the subaru WRX when it first came out, and the salesman said straight to my face that using premium gas was a benefit (this would have been 2002 I guess?) and I straight out laughed in his face. I'll give up a turbo for not paying for premium gas. fark that shiat.


At $4.00/gallon, that's a 5% penalty, tops.
 
2012-10-30 04:41:41 PM

fickenchucker: I hate to say it, but I don't think I'll buy American cars. I flat out don't trust them. BUT, I will buy an American-built foreign car. At least I can get something reliable that contributed to USA jobs that way. [car experience]


Mine:
2002 Saturn Vue, 145k miles, still going well
2001 (or so, it's been a while) Monte Carlo, wrecked at 179k
1998 Jeep Cherokee, son wrecked at 202k

Mrs. Moose's:
1999 Blazer, 225k, still going well
1997 Pontiac Grand Prix, given to my son at 295k

Moral of the story: change your oil and you can drive it forever.
 
2012-10-30 04:46:48 PM

fickenchucker: 1985 Cutlass Ciera, 135,000 miles, piece of shiat, donated to charity.

1983 Corolla, 135,000 miles, perfect, except for all the traffic accidents, sold for $200
1993 Tercel, 136,000 miles, perfect, traded in for new Corolla
1999 Corolla, 133,000 miles, perfect, traded in for 2002 Camry


Cieras were bullet proof. Their fatal flaw was rust, but I still see those bastards on the road, 25 years later.
 
2012-10-30 04:54:16 PM
Just read the latest WIRED article on Ford's efforts to balance reliability with cost containment and fuel economy/performance/etc. Sounds like Consumer Reports is not impressed.
 
2012-10-30 04:54:30 PM

DingleberryMoose: fickenchucker: I hate to say it, but I don't think I'll buy American cars. I flat out don't trust them. BUT, I will buy an American-built foreign car. At least I can get something reliable that contributed to USA jobs that way. [car experience]

Mine:
2002 Saturn Vue, 145k miles, still going well
2001 (or so, it's been a while) Monte Carlo, wrecked at 179k
1998 Jeep Cherokee, son wrecked at 202k

Mrs. Moose's:
1999 Blazer, 225k, still going well
1997 Pontiac Grand Prix, given to my son at 295k

Moral of the story: change your oil and you can drive it forever.


Flush your cooling system too. (see my story above)
 
2012-10-30 05:18:39 PM
DingleberryMoose: fickenchucker: I hate to say it, but I don't think I'll buy American cars. I flat out don't trust them. BUT, I will buy an American-built foreign car. At least I can get something reliable that contributed to USA jobs that way. [car experience]

Mine:
2002 Saturn Vue, 145k miles, still going well
2001 (or so, it's been a while) Monte Carlo, wrecked at 179k
1998 Jeep Cherokee, son wrecked at 202k

Mrs. Moose's:
1999 Blazer, 225k, still going well
1997 Pontiac Grand Prix, given to my son at 295k

Moral of the story: change your oil and you can drive it forever.


Unless it's a Ford Ranger, the key is never changing the oil. Had 3 buddies use this method and never had a problem. As for the next guy who did change the sludge, probably didn't last long.
 
2012-10-30 05:33:49 PM
Oooh, a car thread just when I need one.
I'm expecting twins in a few months. I drive a Toyota compact. Several people have suggested I upgrade to an SUV. I don't want an SUV. Help a new mom out... What are my options?
 
2012-10-30 05:40:50 PM

Soymilk: Oooh, a car thread just when I need one.
I'm expecting twins in a few months. I drive a Toyota compact. Several people have suggested I upgrade to an SUV. I don't want an SUV. Help a new mom out... What are my options?


A van or a midsize sedan. Either will work, but I suppose it's up to your personal preference. Safest place to put kids is in the middle of the vehicle, however, twins will make this more difficult.

If you don't want an SUV, safest next car would be a van. It's an unattractive option, IMHO...but kids come before vanity.
 
2012-10-30 05:45:24 PM

Johnsnownw: Soymilk: Oooh, a car thread just when I need one.
I'm expecting twins in a few months. I drive a Toyota compact. Several people have suggested I upgrade to an SUV. I don't want an SUV. Help a new mom out... What are my options?

A van or a midsize sedan. Either will work, but I suppose it's up to your personal preference. Safest place to put kids is in the middle of the vehicle, however, twins will make this more difficult.

If you don't want an SUV, safest next car would be a van. It's an unattractive option, IMHO...but kids come before vanity.


Oh...so a station-wagon type thing would be right out? Sad face.
 
2012-10-30 06:11:26 PM
Soymilk: Oooh, a car thread just when I need one.
I'm expecting twins in a few months. I drive a Toyota compact. Several people have suggested I upgrade to an SUV. I don't want an SUV. Help a new mom out... What are my options?


Minivan, completly practical and perfect even if you have another kid. The hubby can even take out all the seats and use it like a cargo van. Oh and the room, you'll need it.
 
2012-10-30 06:29:00 PM
Farking Old Rebuilt Dodge
 
2012-10-30 06:30:18 PM
Cracked Head Every Valve Rattles Oil Leaks Every Time
 
2012-10-30 06:30:50 PM
Top 3 performers- Scion, Toyota, and Lexus.

So, Toyota, Toyota, and Toyota.
 
2012-10-30 07:52:40 PM

Soymilk: Oooh, a car thread just when I need one.
I'm expecting twins in a few months. I drive a Toyota compact. Several people have suggested I upgrade to an SUV. I don't want an SUV. Help a new mom out... What are my options?


Subaru Outback! Actually with new twins, I'm going to second the minivan. It will have MUCH more usable room inside than any SUV or other kind of vehicle except maybe a full sized cargo van. Get a minivan.
 
2012-10-30 08:27:20 PM
Bought our '98 Camry in 2000 for $12,000. Still driving it every day. 260,000 miles. Not one penny in non-routine maintenance. If they made another 1998 Camry for me, I would buy it again in 2 years.
 
2012-10-30 08:43:11 PM
If I just needed something to roll me around every day and didn't care much for how I got there, It'd be a Camry. Great ride and as reliable as an anvil.

I prefer to have a little more oomph than the average slather ass out there, so I go with the Subie WRX. Next car will probably be an Accord, so long as global warming keeps going the same way and we continue to not have snowy winters.

/ standard shift Subies in the snow are just a farking hoot
 
2012-10-30 09:55:03 PM
Since we've all [many of us] been singing praise to Toyotas [including me], and dissing American brands, let me share this bit on Honda. Drove my wife's Honda Civic about 1500 miles into summer vacation with no problems. Drove it back about the same number of miles returning. The next week, at 4 years old and 29978 miles (or thereabouts), she was driving home from work across town and the pulley on the water pump just broke off. She limped it the last mile and a half and made it home. I tried to work with the local dealer (not the one we bought it from new) and they insisted that I bring it in. Sitting in the driveway as it was, with the main and only belt non-functional for the missing pulley, I was not going to drive it in. I was also not going to have it towed, unless Honda gave me some positive sign that they'd cover that too - which turned out to be a hard sell since, while it was still under the 30k warranty miles, it was past the 3 year warranty limit. Even when I removed the water pump and broken-off pulley and offered to show it to the dealer's service manager, he sternly told me "stop bringing me parts. I have to inspect the car!" Well, I went ahead and fixed it myself, buying and replacing the water pump (with pulley attached), the belt and the belt tensioner which the broken-off pulley had machined itself halfway through.

I have yet to take these parts to the dealer to "inspect", because I don't expect to get any satisfaction. I still think they need to be aware of the problem. It appeared to me that the pulley was friction welded to the water pump shaft and that weld failed. If it had failed 750 miles into either part of our vacation trip, that would have been a real shiatter.
 
2012-10-30 10:58:37 PM
I'm still not going to be seen driving a Toyota.

Ech. Ugly anal cars that with today's reliability standards aren't much better at #1 than if they were #28. The margin is infinitesimal.

On top of that, after a Japanese car is out of warranty, the cost of repairing it is going to cost you several times the price of fixing an American car.

Go buy your ugly foreign cars, I buy American. Toyotas suck.
 
2012-10-30 11:00:52 PM

unlikely: Elzar: I would rather give my money to the hardworking Japanese

Bad news for you: Your Toyota was probably built in Alabama or Kentucky


Bad news back: The corporation that owns those plants in AL and KY is located in Tokyo, where the profits are counted.
 
2012-10-30 11:04:14 PM
1994 Ranger: 220,000 miles on the original motor. Sure, I've had to fix stuff on it. But at least it isn't a Jetta.
 
2012-10-30 11:22:04 PM

SoxSweepAgain: I'm still not going to be seen driving a Toyota.

Ech. Ugly anal cars that with today's reliability standards aren't much better at #1 than if they were #28. The margin is infinitesimal.

On top of that, after a Japanese car is out of warranty, the cost of repairing it is going to cost you several times the price of fixing an American car.

Go buy your ugly foreign cars, I buy American. Toyotas suck.


Wrong, wrong, wrong, good for you, and wrong.

My American-built Camry is as easy to fix at the neighborhood garage as some Fords or Chevys. Oftentimes easier and cheaper in this day and age of globalization. But I don't have to take it there very often, unlike my old Cutlass Ciera or GMC Vandura.

My dad is a GM man, and by gosh I wish he had fewer problems with them over the last 40 years. My father-in-law worked for GM for 30+ years. Now that he's paying for his own cars, versus supplied near-free, he's all Honda all the time.

My last hope for true reliability in America is Camry, and hopefully Ford when they prove it over the next decade or so.
 
2012-10-30 11:49:51 PM
My favorite vehicle EVER...was a 2009 Nissan Frontier SE V-6.

LOVED that truck. Another benefit was that the 4Liter V-6 was just a stroked version of the 3.7 in the 370Z and G37. Nismo parts definately fit.

Intake, exhaust, headers, etc all worked.

Damned 18-wheeler rear-ended me at a stoplight (I was going 0mph and he was going 50+)

Totalled my black extended cab truck.

/will buy a new Frontier when the new models come out for the 2015 model year.
 
2012-10-31 12:49:05 AM
Bwa-hahahaha Snort snort

Cab't you people tell when you're being rolled?

Ford withstood the Obama/Union Stalingrad attack to crush them into insolvency and corrupt Ford into just another unit of the Democrat Mafia.

Ergo - US Media claims Ford sucks.

Bwa-hahahaha. Jesus, I should start selling Florida swamp land to you liberal brains of mush. And finance it with easy easy payments.
 
2012-10-31 06:18:05 AM

Mumphochunk: 1994 Ranger: 220,000 miles on the original motor. Sure, I've had to fix stuff on it. But at least it isn't a Jetta.


I loved my '94 Ranger. Finally sold it off last summer, sadly. Learned to drive a stick shift with it when I got 'er in '96 and it still had the same transmission when I sold it.

Boy, was it a bucket of bolts at 180,000 miles, though, compared to our Camry...
 
2012-10-31 08:51:03 AM

SoxSweepAgain: I'm still not going to be seen driving a Toyota.


Fine.


cars that with today's reliability standards aren't much better at #1 than if they were #28. The margin is infinitesimal.


Maybe, but I grew up with shiatty (Pontiac), shiatty (Buick), butt ugly (AMC) American cars that left such a strong negative impression on me that by the time I could afford to buy my own, I swore it wouldn't be American. One inexplicable exception to the shiattiness was a Ford EXP (Escort variant) that made it to 230k miles, though it went through two transmissions to get there.

On top of that, after a Japanese car is out of warranty, the cost of repairing it is going to cost you several times the price of fixing an American car.


Now you're just talkin' out your ass. The local Toyota dealer's shop rate is the same as the Chevy/GM dealer next door and the Ford dealer across the street. My shade tree (elm) makes the same black spots on *all* makes and models. The new water pump for my wife's Honda Civic cost me $54. The same for a Chevy Cobalt runs $62.

Go buy your ugly foreign cars, I buy American.


Ah, styling. Sure, go ahead and buy from the country that brought you the Edsel, the Pacer and the Aztec because only foreigner's have a monopoly on ugly.

Toyotas suck
my dick, and it feels really great!
 
2012-10-31 01:09:42 PM

SoxSweepAgain: unlikely: Elzar: I would rather give my money to the hardworking Japanese

Bad news for you: Your Toyota was probably built in Alabama or Kentucky

Bad news back: The corporation that owns those plants in AL and KY is located in Tokyo, where the profits are counted.


So the jobs the American workers are getting are less important to you than the CEO salary. Thanks. Noted for later.
 
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