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(Daily Mail)   Britain's youngest sex change patient wants to become a man again after only a year because living as a woman has made her miserable. Why, it's almost like S/He had major psychological issues that should have been addressed first   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 166
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2012-10-31 03:14:46 AM  

The One True TheDavid: Actually I'm a lifelong bisexual who spent his teen years as a flaming queen: I "felt" more female than male and even considered "SRS" or at least becoming "a chick with a dick."

Than goodness I didn't do that and eventually grew out of that phase. Now I see that it was just as crazy as believing the CIA would mess with me because I broke some 20 year old's heart at a rock show. And dammit, it was nice thinking I was the Messiah for two months. Confused, weak and desperate people can get all kinds of crazy ideas, even that they were "meant" to be born into another body.

You were saying...?.


I'm actually well aware that you identify as bisexual. Months before this thread, I had you farkied for that, along with the fact that you've made homophobic and biphobic comments in the past.

You being bisexual does not negate any of what you said. It just makes you more tragic. I'm sorry you are confused, weak and desperate. It doesn't mean all transgender folk are.
 
2012-10-31 04:13:45 AM  
DO NOT WANT
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2012-10-31 11:37:59 AM  
Let's all do mental gymnastics so every bizarre mutation or dysfunctional person can feel as comfortable as possible and pretend they're normal.
Otherwise you're just a racist, homophobic hatemonger.
 
2012-10-31 11:48:15 AM  

Ciper: DO NOT WANT
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Not everyone can be Bailay Jay or Sarina Valentina.
 
2012-10-31 12:47:38 PM  

doubled99: Let's all do mental gymnastics so every bizarre mutation or dysfunctional person can feel as comfortable as possible and pretend they're normal.
Otherwise you're just a racist, homophobic hatemonger.


How about "Let's not be assholes to people for reasons that have nothing to do with us and have no effect on our lives whatsoever." -can you try to play that game?
 
2012-10-31 02:05:10 PM  

cassanovascotian: "Let's not be assholes to people for reasons that have nothing to do with us and have no effect on our lives whatsoever."


i am right there with you on that one. i only really talk about this stuff on fark; my personal feelings on the matter remain that "whatever gets you thru the night without pulling the trigger is cool with me". but one must also live in reality and face the fact that while their behavior or feelings may be very important to them, those same feelings and behaviors are often if not abhorrent then offensive to other "normal, regular" people. No, if you feel like you need to have a sex change, you are in no way "normal", even if those feelings are normal for YOU. Sex is a very personal and private thing and it is something that people feel very VERY strongly about, and people get upset when they think they are around things they view as "deviant". Now instead of trying to get people to accept transexuals openly at this point, maybe they should more work on getting people to mind their own business about sexual matters first.

Tansitional Excess: To claim that those of us outside of the gender binary are mentally/ emotionally imbalanced, are frustrated gay people, or are simply making it up; is simply ignorant to the point of silly.


to claim that people that want and desire sex changes have no mental issues is ignorant to the point of being flat ridiculous. there is a very good reason that they require so much therapy before they will perform operations for this stuff.
 
2012-10-31 03:17:16 PM  
Terri Schiavo's Brain Cavity:

The One True TheDavid: If the castration complex continues to spread its advertising by shills like you

It is plainly obvious that your own issues with gender identity brought you into contact with people in the psychiatry profession that tried to lead you down a path you weren't meant to go.


If you mean to imply that she told me I was a deluded kid, pointed out that I wasn't really very feminine -- indeed acted very much like a teenaged BOY -- and prescribed a high dose of a strong antipsychotic then you're absolutely right.


Now you're carrying some severe emotional baggage

Ah yes, when you can't win the argument by fair means you allege your opponent has "evere emotional baggage."

that causes you to see conspiracies everywhere, labeling anyone who doesn't agree with you as being complicit in their scheme.

Boy, are you off the track. There doesn't have to be an organized conspiracy for surgeons who do expensive surgery to try to continue doing what they get paid for. All they have to do is prefer their own interests over the patients and publicly advance those interests.



Just because you may have had a bad experience does not negate transitioning as a treatment for others. Different strokes for different folks.

You know very next to nothing about my experience. What makes "transitioning" stupid for anyone to do is that's trying to address a social problem -- that some people feel their gender does not coincide with their what society expects of their chromosomal sex -- by mutilating the victims of this societal neurosis.


It works for some people and not for others.

So does praying to Jesus, for whatever "it works" might mean. So?


But that doesn't matter to you. You're like a transsexual truther.

The truth is transsexualism is a mental illness shoved onto people by society and then exploited by certain "helping professionals" as a job.


It has to be a money making conspiracy, and most everyone in this thread must be in on it.

Your imaginiation is getting away with you. Did you take your meds?


I'm no shill, but I'll never be able to convince you otherwise.

Yes you are. Put it this way: everybody who wears a T-shirt with a big designer label on the front is shilling for the designer. However unlike you in this thread most of them pay for the shirt, thereby paying to advertise the designer's products: that's truly sad.

Since others have pointed out that you're always like this, I'll just chalk you down as emotionally and psychologically crippled.

I've made no secret of being on SSI for "mental health issues," and I gather they get their money's worth. How does that make convincing troubled people to get their genitals mutilated a good thing?

I put it this way: even a crazy crank like me recognizes that getting "sex change surgery" is a stupid thing to do, and that it's immoral to participate in or even enable that act; so surely that simple fact should already be obvious to a sane and intelligent person like yourself. Why ain't it?


There is no longer a point in talking with you or reading your tripe.

/add to ignore list


Oh goody! I was just about to do that myself, because you'll never be able to change my mind and you clearly don't have one.

Toodle-oo!

/I know how to Ignore people too! See?
 
2012-10-31 03:22:15 PM  
Ciper:

DO NOT WANT

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It'a a man, baby!
 
2012-10-31 03:32:44 PM  

frepnog: i am right there with you on that one.


No. You're not. You're realizing that you're not as socially libertarian as you would like to believe and it's bothering you, so you're trying to have it both ways. You're trying to convince yourself that you're all "live and let live", but that desired self-image is coming up against this:

frepnog: those same feelings and behaviors are often if not abhorrent then offensive to other "normal, regular" people. No, if you feel like you need to have a sex change, you are in no way "normal", even if those feelings are normal for YOU. Sex is a very personal and private thing and it is something that people feel very VERY strongly about, and people get upset when they think they are around things they view as "deviant". Now instead of trying to get people to accept transexuals openly at this point, maybe they should more work on getting people to mind their own business about sexual matters first.


ok. Let's start with you. mind your own business.

frepnog: to claim that people that want and desire sex changes have no mental issues is ignorant to the point of being flat ridiculous.

You

are being flat-out rediculous. Yes, gender dysphoria is something that causes a lot of stress and difficulty. So does being gay -and that was regarded as a mental illness not so long ago, do you still believe that?

Bottom line: If you're one of the "normal, regular" people who finds transgendered people abhorrent, then stop and remind yourself of something: however it may offend your sensibilities, this has no impact on the rights of others to decide what they want to do with their own junk. It's not your body, it's not your life, and it's not your god-damn farking problem. So fark off.
 
2012-10-31 04:03:28 PM  

cassanovascotian: frepnog: i am right there with you on that one.

No. You're not. You're realizing that you're not as socially libertarian as you would like to believe and it's bothering you, so you're trying to have it both ways. You're trying to convince yourself that you're all "live and let live", but that desired self-image is coming up against this:

frepnog: those same feelings and behaviors are often if not abhorrent then offensive to other "normal, regular" people. No, if you feel like you need to have a sex change, you are in no way "normal", even if those feelings are normal for YOU. Sex is a very personal and private thing and it is something that people feel very VERY strongly about, and people get upset when they think they are around things they view as "deviant". Now instead of trying to get people to accept transexuals openly at this point, maybe they should more work on getting people to mind their own business about sexual matters first.

ok. Let's start with you. mind your own business.

frepnog: to claim that people that want and desire sex changes have no mental issues is ignorant to the point of being flat ridiculous.

You are being flat-out rediculous. Yes, gender dysphoria is something that causes a lot of stress and difficulty. So does being gay -and that was regarded as a mental illness not so long ago, do you still believe that?

Bottom line: If you're one of the "normal, regular" people who finds transgendered people abhorrent, then stop and remind yourself of something: however it may offend your sensibilities, this has no impact on the rights of others to decide what they want to do with their own junk. It's not your body, it's not your life, and it's not your god-damn farking problem. So fark off.


first off, this is a fark thread open to discussion for anyone to join. so nope, i have every right to state an opinion on the matter. furthermore, when I have even ONE transsexual in the thread that agrees with me, my argument does in fact have a leg to stand on. yes, in my real life, I am friends with many people, gay, trans and otherwise, and yes, I feel that they have every right to be who they are without threat of persecution. what ever makes you happy.

do i believe "gay" is mental illness? no, it is a birth defect.
people that want to mutilate their genitals are mentally ill.
people that enable that illness are damned evil.
 
2012-10-31 04:17:47 PM  

frepnog: first off, this is a fark thread open to discussion for anyone to join. so nope, i have every right to state an opinion on the matter. furthermore, when I have even ONE transsexual in the thread that agrees with me, my argument does in fact have a leg to stand on. yes, in my real life, I am friends with many people, gay, trans and otherwise, and yes, I feel that they have every right to be who they are without threat of persecution. what ever makes you happy.

do i believe "gay" is mental illness? no, it is a birth defect.
people that want to mutilate their genitals are mentally ill.
people that enable that illness are damned evil.


?
I really don't know what angle you're coming from on this, but I find myself agreeing with half of what you say...
so ok,... let's say I misinterpreted you above, but let's pin you down now.

Suppose cutting off my junk and living as a woman is what makes me happy, and suppose my friends and family accept that and use my preferred names and pronouns, and I go on to live a happy life as a chick. Are they evil, and am I mentally ill?

If the answer is "yes", then I'm sorry, but you simply cannot reconcile that position with the "whatever makes you happy" philosophy.
 
2012-10-31 05:20:50 PM  

cassanovascotian: frepnog: first off, this is a fark thread open to discussion for anyone to join. so nope, i have every right to state an opinion on the matter. furthermore, when I have even ONE transsexual in the thread that agrees with me, my argument does in fact have a leg to stand on. yes, in my real life, I am friends with many people, gay, trans and otherwise, and yes, I feel that they have every right to be who they are without threat of persecution. what ever makes you happy.

do i believe "gay" is mental illness? no, it is a birth defect.
people that want to mutilate their genitals are mentally ill.
people that enable that illness are damned evil.

?
I really don't know what angle you're coming from on this, but I find myself agreeing with half of what you say...
so ok,... let's say I misinterpreted you above, but let's pin you down now.

Suppose cutting off my junk and living as a woman is what makes me happy, and suppose my friends and family accept that and use my preferred names and pronouns, and I go on to live a happy life as a chick. Are they evil, and am I mentally ill?

If the answer is "yes", then I'm sorry, but you simply cannot reconcile that position with the "whatever makes you happy" philosophy.


I feel that if what you are doing hurts no one then do what makes you happy. I don't think you should be denied a sex change it it truly is what you want. I do feel there is a mental problem with someone that wants to cut their dick off because no matter what surgery you have, you will never be a woman and living your life in a costume is no real answer. And evil may have been a strong word.
 
2012-10-31 05:51:59 PM  

frepnog: I feel that if what you are doing hurts no one then do what makes you happy I don't think you should be denied a sex change it it truly is what you want.. I do feel there is a mental problem with someone that wants to cut their dick off because no matter what surgery you have, you will never be a woman and living your life in a costume is no real answer.


virulentwordofmouse.files.wordpress.com
I sense the conflict in you. The dark side hasn't taken over your soul completely. There's still good in you.

Seriously though bud, I'm gonna have to go back to my first impression on you. You want to be all "progressive" and "open minded", and you don't want to admit to the hate. You don't think they're "genuinely" part of the other gender? fine, leave them alone.
Saying that people who love and accept people after a transition are "enabling" them, and therefore doing something unethical?
Well that pretty much means that everyone should ostracize and isolate this person, removing all social supports from them -and that's a pretty shiatty kind of thing to advocate

Belittling people by saying that their expressed gender is a "costume" ?
Yeah, that's kinda getting into "hate" territory.

Classifying someone who's doing something with their own life and body, and which harms noone else as "mentally ill"?
Well, yeah, that's getting there too.

The fact is, there are plenty of well-adjusted people who have transitioned genders and gone on to lead very happy fullfilling lives, surrounded by people who love them. If transgendered people make you uncomfortable, and you don't want to deal them, fine. They probably don't want to deal with you either. But don't pretend that it's because you're concerned about their happiness, and don't pretend that your feelings aren't coming from a place of fear and discrimination. 

You can either be a puritanical moralist who feels entitled to dictate to others how they should manage their personal lives and their bodies, or you can be all "whatever makes you happy." But you can't be both.

thelawnsprinklerguys.com
choose wisely.
 
2012-10-31 07:11:47 PM  
No one wants to have a relationship with fat chick with a dick in my opinion
 
2012-10-31 10:11:21 PM  
sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken
 
2012-11-01 01:23:15 AM  

charmingkiddo: sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken


I'm sorry, did that not work for you?
 
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