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(Daily Mail)   Britain's youngest sex change patient wants to become a man again after only a year because living as a woman has made her miserable. Why, it's almost like S/He had major psychological issues that should have been addressed first   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 166
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2012-10-30 08:18:03 AM
To people out there thinking about getting a sex change, I really wish you'd spend a good year or two thinking this decision through. All you jerks out there who get the change and then want to change back make the rest of the transgender community look like psychos.

*sigh*
 
2012-10-30 08:30:34 AM

Cythraul: To people out there thinking about getting a sex change, I really wish you'd spend a good year or two thinking this decision through. All you jerks out there who get the change and then want to change back make the rest of the transgender community look like psychos.

*sigh*


I love the transgendered folk to death, but there are many ethical issues that still need to be addressed. For instance, should we give drugs to children to stifle puberty? Should we allow children to have sex changes?

IMO, the child years are probably not the best to fark around with. When they become adults, that is fine, but children, its hard, lol. God I wish there was an easy answer to all of this.
 
2012-10-30 08:35:14 AM

cman: Cythraul: To people out there thinking about getting a sex change, I really wish you'd spend a good year or two thinking this decision through. All you jerks out there who get the change and then want to change back make the rest of the transgender community look like psychos.

*sigh*

I love the transgendered folk to death, but there are many ethical issues that still need to be addressed. For instance, should we give drugs to children to stifle puberty? Should we allow children to have sex changes?

IMO, the child years are probably not the best to fark around with. When they become adults, that is fine, but children, its hard, lol. God I wish there was an easy answer to all of this.


For children? Definitely delay it, in my opinion. The developmental years from child into adult can be very hard on a person. A lot is going on physically and mentally at that time. It may be hard on the child who feels that their sex is all wrong, but I think it's best to err on the side of caution in situations like that, rather than allow a young teen to get a sex change and regret it later.

From what I understand, there is generally acceptable success in sex change operations these days when it comes to functionality and attractiveness of the changed sex organs. However, if one wants to go back to the way they were before, I'd imagine there would be little the doctors could do to make that reversal look pretty.
 
2012-10-30 08:39:45 AM
Some good quality Velcro can fix this problem.
 
2012-10-30 09:27:34 AM
NO BACKSIES!
 
2012-10-30 09:28:03 AM
The Patron Saint of "The Grass Is Always Greener On The Other Side Of The Fence".

Will probably continue to be miserable after reverting back.
 
2012-10-30 09:29:17 AM
Nobody can "become" the opposite gender, one can only become transgendered. There's a difference.
 
2012-10-30 09:29:26 AM
This probably had nothing to do with the equipment he was using. Couple of screws loose up top.
 
2012-10-30 09:31:51 AM
You mean what doctors have been telling people to do for years and not what that special interest people have been crowing? I am shocked.
 
2012-10-30 09:34:10 AM
So far, he has only been on hormone therapy and received psychotherapy required before the reassignment surgery. He has not undergone any sex change. So the story is pure BS.
 
2012-10-30 09:38:37 AM
*popcorngif*
 
2012-10-30 09:39:11 AM
The article is intentionally misleading. This young individual is ceasing to live as a woman and take the hormone drugs. There has been no 'sex change' so far, and the reversal will not cost a great deal of money to the taxpayer. Transphobia stew.
 
2012-10-30 09:39:37 AM
I thought you were REQUIRED to have counseling and live as the other sex for at least a year before anyone would give you an actual sex change operation.
 
2012-10-30 09:40:48 AM

theoutlaw: The article is intentionally misleading. This young individual is ceasing to live as a woman and take the hormone drugs. There has been no 'sex change' so far, and the reversal will not cost a great deal of money to the taxpayer. Transphobia stew.


Oh, yikes. I DNRTFA.
 
2012-10-30 09:42:35 AM
Bring back the sanitariums, problem solved.
 
Skr
2012-10-30 09:43:23 AM
Huh, this seems more like a success story of the process working than a negative.
 
2012-10-30 09:44:02 AM
FTA>: She believes ... that returning to being a male will help heal the damaged relationships with her family.

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2012-10-30 09:44:03 AM

violetvolume: I thought you were REQUIRED to have counseling and live as the other sex for at least a year before anyone would give you an actual sex change operation.


You are. It seems that ze asked to be given a sex change at 15, and then started treatment at 17. Presumably between the ages of 15 and 17 ze was living as a girl. The article is misleading, because it refers to 'after living less than a year as a woman...'. It means after the treatment was started.

/ That first year is very hard, especially for those who have already gone through puberty.
 
2012-10-30 09:44:09 AM

theoutlaw: The article is intentionally misleading. This young individual is ceasing to live as a woman and take the hormone drugs. There has been no 'sex change' so far, and the reversal will not cost a great deal of money to the taxpayer. Transphobia stew.


Yeah, I assume this happens with some frequency and that's why they make you live as the opposite gender for a while. I can see how being confused about your orientation can sometimes lead to being confused about your gender identity too.

/not saying gay people are "confused"
//just that not everyone is sure whether they're gay or not as a teenager
 
2012-10-30 09:46:34 AM

Chinchillazilla: theoutlaw: The article is intentionally misleading. This young individual is ceasing to live as a woman and take the hormone drugs. There has been no 'sex change' so far, and the reversal will not cost a great deal of money to the taxpayer. Transphobia stew.

Yeah, I assume this happens with some frequency and that's why they make you live as the opposite gender for a while. I can see how being confused about your orientation can sometimes lead to being confused about your gender identity too.

/not saying gay people are "confused"
//just that not everyone is sure whether they're gay or not as a teenager


That may be the case for some gay people, but for this one, I was never confused about my sex, or even my sexuality. I have known since I was very, very young that I was a dude that was into dudes.
 
2012-10-30 09:47:13 AM

theoutlaw: violetvolume: I thought you were REQUIRED to have counseling and live as the other sex for at least a year before anyone would give you an actual sex change operation.

You are. It seems that ze asked to be given a sex change at 15, and then started treatment at 17. Presumably between the ages of 15 and 17 ze was living as a girl. The article is misleading, because it refers to 'after living less than a year as a woman...'. It means after the treatment was started.

/ That first year is very hard, especially for those who have already gone through puberty.


Just realised my *comment* was misleading, too. Ze seems to have been interested in the idea of gender change since 12, formally asking for it at 15, recieving treatment at 17, deciding to stop treatment at 18. There has been no operation, as there shouldn't be, seeing as ze had not been on the treatment for a year.
 
2012-10-30 09:48:28 AM

theoutlaw: The article is intentionally misleading. This young individual is ceasing to live as a woman and take the hormone drugs. There has been no 'sex change' so far, and the reversal will not cost a great deal of money to the taxpayer. Transphobia stew.


It goes beyond that. It's the process working exactly as intended.

JackieRabbit: So far, he has only been on hormone therapy and received psychotherapy required before the reassignment surgery. He has not undergone any sex change. So the story is pure BS.


Oh, the horror, the horror. But I'm sure people will be along to be OUTRAGED as intended anyway.
 
2012-10-30 09:49:00 AM

theoutlaw: The article is intentionally misleading. This young individual is ceasing to live as a woman and take the hormone drugs. There has been no 'sex change' so far, and the reversal will not cost a great deal of money to the taxpayer. Transphobia stew.


On top of that, all of her misery allegedly stems from the fact that she's been alienated by their family and friends since she began living as a woman. At one point, she basically says "Maybe my family would take me back if I tried to live as a trendy gay man instead of as a woman." and at several other points she brings up experiencing intense loneliness.
 
2012-10-30 09:50:09 AM
It might have been easier to be a chick if she was hot.
 
2012-10-30 09:52:00 AM

mahuika: theoutlaw: The article is intentionally misleading. This young individual is ceasing to live as a woman and take the hormone drugs. There has been no 'sex change' so far, and the reversal will not cost a great deal of money to the taxpayer. Transphobia stew.

On top of that, all of her misery allegedly stems from the fact that she's been alienated by their family and friends since she began living as a woman. At one point, she basically says "Maybe my family would take me back if I tried to live as a trendy gay man instead of as a woman." and at several other points she brings up experiencing intense loneliness.


It's all horrifically upsetting. I'm not trans, but I have several close trans friends and have encountered it in counselling. Issues with the family are some of the hardest problems they have to deal with. It's like coming out as gay in the 60s. You're already questioning yourself and society is isolating you; for your family to also do these things is a horrible slap in the face.
 
2012-10-30 09:52:27 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: theoutlaw: The article is intentionally misleading. This young individual is ceasing to live as a woman and take the hormone drugs. There has been no 'sex change' so far, and the reversal will not cost a great deal of money to the taxpayer. Transphobia stew.

It goes beyond that. It's the process working exactly as intended.

JackieRabbit: So far, he has only been on hormone therapy and received psychotherapy required before the reassignment surgery. He has not undergone any sex change. So the story is pure BS.

Oh, the horror, the horror. But I'm sure people will be along to be OUTRAGED as intended anyway.

jesus farking christ
 
2012-10-30 09:53:15 AM
First: The person in the story didn't have a sex change, he started transition. It's a process, not a state change. From the sounds of it, he started female hormones (and therapy, of course) and that was it.

Cythraul: To people out there thinking about getting a sex change, I really wish you'd spend a good year or two thinking this decision through. All you jerks out there who get the change and then want to change back make the rest of the transgender community look like psychos.

*sigh*


WPATH guidelines require a year of living the life of the correct gender (or a damned good reason why that can't happen, and being poor isn't good enough - being in Saudi Arabia is,though.) Most surgeons I've run into also require at least one year of hormones. And you figure out fairly quickly after starting hormones if this is "right" or not; while some people DO have issues down the road, most are from discrimination and/or comorbid mental issues that were previously masked by the gender issues (for example, I have anxiety issues in large crowds - but because I just plain didn't like people previously, I didn't realize that I was more uncomfortable in a room with a dozen people than I was in a room with five or six.) I started hormones on the theory of "I think this is right, but the only way to know for sure is to try it." Within two weeks, I had gotten to the point of "Is this what everyone else feels like? I feel like I did when I was a kid, connected and healthy... it's been a while!" - so I knew that it was for me. If I hadn't felt that way, I would have stopped hormones within a few months.

cman: I love the transgendered folk to death, but there are many ethical issues that still need to be addressed. For instance, should we give drugs to children to stifle puberty? Should we allow children to have sex changes?

IMO, the child years are probably not the best to fark around with. When they become adults, that is fine, but children, its hard, lol. God I wish there was an easy answer to all of this.


Agreed, mostly. Children should be allowed to be children, not forced to fit a mold of being cisgender or transgender. On the other hand, stopping hormones before they take effect ALSO screws up the body, possibly worse... it's a conundrum.

---

One last note: I've considered detransitioning. Not all of my days are good days; sometimes they are very bad days. When I get called "sir" by people that have never met me before, when I get called "he" by coworkers that have not been told I transitioned, when I get the stinkeye for daring to use a public bathroom... those all hurt. When Cathy Brennan calls me a freak, when Roseanne Barr says "if she has a penis she is not allowed in", when my half-sister tells me that her husband doesn't really want to see or talk to me - I wonder "what's the point?"

I'll always be a woman, but sometimes I want those hurts to go away. Then I remember what I felt like when I was crossdressing (that is, pretending to be male) and I realize that this is worth any pain in the world.

mahuika: On top of that, all of her misery allegedly stems from the fact that she's been alienated by their family and friends since she began living as a woman. At one point, she basically says "Maybe my family would take me back if I tried to live as a trendy gay man instead of as a woman." and at several other points she brings up experiencing intense loneliness.


The loneliness part sucks for many transgender people. Fortunately for me, the half-sister and her husband are the only ones that seem to outright mind, though my father has apparently started outing me to my friends (that knew already, but he didn't know that!)... Everyone else in the family seems to prefer Karen to my old self.
 
2012-10-30 09:56:51 AM
shiat like this is one of the many reasons why sex change operations are a worthless treatment for this kind of mental illness. Have an XY chromosome? You're a dude. Have an XX chromosome? Female. farking deal with it or get psychiatric help.
 
2012-10-30 09:57:20 AM

cman: Cythraul: To people out there thinking about getting a sex change, I really wish you'd spend a good year or two thinking this decision through. All you jerks out there who get the change and then want to change back make the rest of the transgender community look like psychos.

*sigh*

I love the transgendered folk to death, but there are many ethical issues that still need to be addressed. For instance, should we give drugs to children to stifle puberty? Should we allow children to have sex changes?

IMO, the child years are probably not the best to fark around with. When they become adults, that is fine, but children, its hard, lol. God I wish there was an easy answer to all of this.


There is an easy answer: no sex change operations for anyone under the age of 25. Period. By then you've pretty much gotten the whole gender thing figured out, whether you want to come out to your family and friends about it being a separate question (some people suffer in silence for many years, which is unfortunate).

If I had my way though, the doctor that performed a sex change operation on a 17 year old would have their license to practice medicine permanently revoked--unethical in the one of the worst possible ways.
 
2012-10-30 09:59:18 AM
So I can't tell from TFA if he got his weener cut off or not.
 
2012-10-30 09:59:25 AM

Cythraul: To people out there thinking about getting a sex change, I really wish you'd spend a good year or two thinking this decision through. All you jerks out there who get the change and then want to change back make the rest of the transgender community look like psychos.

*sigh*


In most instances (in Canada at least), you need to live as the gender you are transitioning to for at least a year. That should always be the case. They also have to undergo hormone therapy well before the surgery.

I have to also agree that gender reassignment surgery should not be made available to anyone under 18. You've got enough shiat to deal with at that point.
 
2012-10-30 10:02:06 AM

CrappityCrap: shiat like this is one of the many reasons why sex change operations are a worthless treatment for this kind of mental illness. Have an XY chromosome? You're a dude. Have an XX chromosome? Female. farking deal with it or get psychiatric help.


There's more to gender than c

Cythraul: Chinchillazilla: theoutlaw: The article is intentionally misleading. This young individual is ceasing to live as a woman and take the hormone drugs. There has been no 'sex change' so far, and the reversal will not cost a great deal of money to the taxpayer. Transphobia stew.

Yeah, I assume this happens with some frequency and that's why they make you live as the opposite gender for a while. I can see how being confused about your orientation can sometimes lead to being confused about your gender identity too.

/not saying gay people are "confused"
//just that not everyone is sure whether they're gay or not as a teenager

That may be the case for some gay people, but for this one, I was never confused about my sex, or even my sexuality. I have known since I was very, very young that I was a dude that was into dudes.


Same here. There was never a question that I was a guy. I just happened to be sexually attracted to other guys.
 
2012-10-30 10:04:12 AM

CrappityCrap: shiat like this is one of the many reasons why sex change operations are a worthless treatment for this kind of mental illness. Have an XY chromosome? You're a dude. Have an XX chromosome? Female. farking deal with it or get psychiatric help.


I have read where people with gender identity issues who undergo a sex change operation have had very positive effects in their lives post change. As long as the person in question can truly have such a positive outcome after a sex change operation, and if their desire for the change doesn't come from some other need in their lives, a need that wouldn't be resolved by a sex change, then I see no reason to deny or judge him or her for that decision since their choice to change their sex doesn't harm my life in the slightest.

And whether or not they were born with XX, or XY, how they identify themselves is important to them, and out of respect, I will identify them likewise. If he wants to become a she, and wishes to live that life and be identified in that way, I will no longer refer to that person as a male, and vice versa.
 
2012-10-30 10:04:26 AM

hdhale: cman: Cythraul: To people out there thinking about getting a sex change, I really wish you'd spend a good year or two thinking this decision through. All you jerks out there who get the change and then want to change back make the rest of the transgender community look like psychos.

*sigh*

I love the transgendered folk to death, but there are many ethical issues that still need to be addressed. For instance, should we give drugs to children to stifle puberty? Should we allow children to have sex changes?

IMO, the child years are probably not the best to fark around with. When they become adults, that is fine, but children, its hard, lol. God I wish there was an easy answer to all of this.

There is an easy answer: no sex change operations for anyone under the age of 25. Period. By then you've pretty much gotten the whole gender thing figured out, whether you want to come out to your family and friends about it being a separate question (some people suffer in silence for many years, which is unfortunate).

If I had my way though, the doctor that performed a sex change operation on a 17 year old would have their license to practice medicine permanently revoked--unethical in the one of the worst possible ways.


25? That's an arbitrary number, to be sure. Did you feel you could make decisions about your body at age 24? I think you probably did. Gosh, I'm only 21 in a week, but I've been making decisions about my body for a good few years now.
We have an age of adulthood for a reason: at this age, people are responsible for themselves, they are able to make life decisions and control their own bodies.
Would you like your parents making decisions about your healthcare (say, having heart surgery) when you've been living in a different part of the country for seven years, are married, can vote, own an apartment...

Re: suffering in silence. You're making these people live an arbitrary extra number of years in the wrong body. You're making it harder for them to transition. You're putting their mental health at risk.
 
2012-10-30 10:04:58 AM

JackieRabbit: So far, he has only been on hormone therapy and received psychotherapy required before the reassignment surgery. He has not undergone any sex change. So the story is pure BS.


bingo. he's not even qualified to relate well to bisexual bi-polar folks. hope he gets the help he needs. life is really tough for some.
 
2012-10-30 10:05:21 AM

hdhale: If I had my way though, the doctor that performed a sex change operation on a 17 year old would have their license to practice medicine permanently revoked--unethical in the one of the worst possible ways.


Good thing that there was no surgeon that performed a sex change operation on a 17 year old since the girl in the article hasn't had surgery. Way to read the article.

Also, nowhere did she say that she didn't really feel like a woman, or that she was happier in her old body. Only that female hormones made her moody (well duh) and that her family had completely disowned her. It's basically a sad situation that would be so much better if people stopped so much caring who had a penis and who didn't.
 
2012-10-30 10:05:49 AM
Cythraul 2012-10-30 08:35:14 AM


cman: Cythraul: To people out there thinking about getting a sex change, I really wish you'd spend a good year or two thinking this decision through. All you jerks out there who get the change and then want to change back make the rest of the transgender community look like psychos.

*sigh*

I love the transgendered folk to death, but there are many ethical issues that still need to be addressed. For instance, should we give drugs to children to stifle puberty? Should we allow children to have sex changes?

IMO, the child years are probably not the best to fark around with. When they become adults, that is fine, but children, its hard, lol. God I wish there was an easy answer to all of this.

For children? Definitely delay it, in my opinion. The developmental years from child into adult can be very hard on a person. A lot is going on physically and mentally at that time. It may be hard on the child who feels that their sex is all wrong, but I think it's best to err on the side of caution in situations like that, rather than allow a young teen to get a sex change and regret it later.

From what I understand, there is generally acceptable success in sex change operations these days when it comes to functionality and attractiveness of the changed sex organs. However, if one wants to go back to the way they were before, I'd imagine there would be little the doctors could do to make that reversal look pretty.



THIS.

I have a guy friend who wanted to go under the knife at 16 because he wanted to be a woman, his family and friends wanted him to just wait until he entered college. Now he's a perfectly happy gay man and is happy to have stayed male. I also have another guy friend who at 20 went from male to female, amazingly, kept his girlfriend through the whole thing, and they happily live as lesbians in LA, six years later.

I just think the teenage years are hard enough, and if you just wait until you're done developing, you may want something else. It's like anything- buying a car, getting plastic surgery, etc. Do your research, think about it good and hard, and consult with people to get their opinions before you do something this major.
 
2012-10-30 10:10:39 AM

theoutlaw: 25? That's an arbitrary number, to be sure. Did you feel you could make decisions about your body at age 24? I think you probably did. Gosh, I'm only 21 in a week, but I've been making decisions about my body for a good few years now.
We have an age of adulthood for a reason: at this age, people are responsible for themselves, they are able to make life decisions and control their own bodies.
Would you like your parents making decisions about your healthcare (say, having heart surgery) when you've been living in a different part of the country for seven years, are married, can vote, own an apartment...

Re: suffering in silence. You're making these people live an arbitrary extra number of years in the wrong body. You're making it harder for them to transition. You're putting their mental health at risk.


Background: I am completely supportive of the full gender identity and sexuality spectra.

However, to stir up the pot a little, in the small anecdotal sample size that I have experience with (n = 3), there is unlimited drama involved when people start the hormonal change in college. People who are effectively going through a second puberty, stuffed in a concentrated environment with others who have just gotten done going through that shiat and are trying to figure out their adult selves, make for one hell of a mix.

I, unscientifically, wonder if it might be better to begin identifying and dressing one's identified gender, but starting the physical transformation (hormones, surgery, etc) after college. All with heaps of counseling and guidance, of course.

Trans people aren't 'broken', but they have heaps of shiat to deal with and I wonder if breaking it out into smaller chunks over a longer period of time might make it more manageable.
 
2012-10-30 10:12:52 AM

dv-ous: FTA>: She believes ... that returning to being a male will help heal the damaged relationships with her family.

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Well, time and penises heal all wounds.
 
2012-10-30 10:13:38 AM
Going to the newspapers with a sensational sex change reversal process and making the point that your family has made you feel miserable, and having a lot of photos taken, removing any ambiguity of who the story is about looks like a terrible way to reverse a sex change process and reconcile with your family.
 
2012-10-30 10:14:07 AM
So the hormones became too much to handle and the moodswings were unbearable. Why do you think so many women biatch about hormones? It's because they suck! If I didn't have to put up with monthly cycles, I wouldn't. However, I'm mentally mostly female so I don't have any inclination to transition to male.
 
2012-10-30 10:19:09 AM

soze: Background: I am completely supportive of the full gender identity and sexuality spectra.

However, to stir up the pot a little, in the small anecdotal sample size that I have experience with (n = 3), there is unlimited drama involved when people start the hormonal change in college. People who are effectively going through a second puberty, stuffed in a concentrated environment with others who have just gotten done going through that shiat and are trying to figure out their adult selves, make for one hell of a mix.

I, unscientifically, wonder if it might be better to begin identifying and dressing one's identified gender, but starting the physical transformation (hormones, surgery, etc) after college. All with heaps of counseling and guidance, of course.

Trans people aren't 'broken', but they have heaps of shiat to deal with and I wonder if breaking it out into smaller chunks over a longer period of time might make it more manageable.


Everybody is broken. I don't know a single person that isn't broken on some level. Some of us are more broken than others; some of us have patched together something worthwhile from our brokenness, but we're all broken.

As for your question - I'd argue that identifying and dressing as the identified gender *without* taking the hormones is a bad idea, especially in that kind of environment. I'd argue for remaining visually the birth sex while taking the hormones, if only one is possible. But then again I was taking hormones for seven months before I started the "visible" part of my transition - and even then the main impetus was "I'm not going to wear a binder, and my breasts are starting to become visible - it's time to shiat or get off the pot". Yes, I wanted to transition eventually, but...
 
2012-10-30 10:19:32 AM

Galvatron Zero: CrappityCrap: shiat like this is one of the many reasons why sex change operations are a worthless treatment for this kind of mental illness. Have an XY chromosome? You're a dude. Have an XX chromosome? Female. farking deal with it or get psychiatric help.

There's more to gender than cCythraul: Chinchillazilla: theoutlaw: The article is intentionally misleading. This young individual is ceasing to live as a woman and take the hormone drugs. There has been no 'sex change' so far, and the reversal will not cost a great deal of money to the taxpayer. Transphobia stew.

Yeah, I assume this happens with some frequency and that's why they make you live as the opposite gender for a while. I can see how being confused about your orientation can sometimes lead to being confused about your gender identity too.

/not saying gay people are "confused"
//just that not everyone is sure whether they're gay or not as a teenager

That may be the case for some gay people, but for this one, I was never confused about my sex, or even my sexuality. I have known since I was very, very young that I was a dude that was into dudes.

Same here. There was never a question that I was a guy. I just happened to be sexually attracted to other guys.


Same here. I'm into guys, and I've never felt uncomfortable being a male or felt the urge to change my gender. The closest i've come to that was trying on my sister's high heels when I was 6, and that's only because I was curious how anyone could walk in those damn things.
 
2012-10-30 10:21:06 AM

kiwimoogle84: Cythraul 2012-10-30 08:35:14 AM


cman: Cythraul: To people out there thinking about getting a sex change, I really wish you'd spend a good year or two thinking this decision through. All you jerks out there who get the change and then want to change back make the rest of the transgender community look like psychos.

*sigh*

I love the transgendered folk to death, but there are many ethical issues that still need to be addressed. For instance, should we give drugs to children to stifle puberty? Should we allow children to have sex changes?

IMO, the child years are probably not the best to fark around with. When they become adults, that is fine, but children, its hard, lol. God I wish there was an easy answer to all of this.

For children? Definitely delay it, in my opinion. The developmental years from child into adult can be very hard on a person. A lot is going on physically and mentally at that time. It may be hard on the child who feels that their sex is all wrong, but I think it's best to err on the side of caution in situations like that, rather than allow a young teen to get a sex change and regret it later.

From what I understand, there is generally acceptable success in sex change operations these days when it comes to functionality and attractiveness of the changed sex organs. However, if one wants to go back to the way they were before, I'd imagine there would be little the doctors could do to make that reversal look pretty.


THIS.

I have a guy friend who wanted to go under the knife at 16 because he wanted to be a woman, his family and friends wanted him to just wait until he entered college. Now he's a perfectly happy gay man and is happy to have stayed male. I also have another guy friend who at 20 went from male to female, amazingly, kept his girlfriend through the whole thing, and they happily live as lesbians in LA, six years later.

I just think the teenage years are hard enough, and if you just wait until you're done developing, you may w ...


Thats probably the best course. As teenagers what you want changes from day to day, sometimes even from minute to minute. Though some do know for sure what they want, its just not common, but still should give it time and lots of thought. I wouldnt want to have a sex changes at all, I like what I have as it is. Though I could see how some guys may want to give it up for a magnificent set of tits. Though I do seriously wonder how many of the male to female transgenders have trouble keeping their own hands off their new boobs? I know my personal mindset and I would play with them endlessly and ask people if they wanted to see them, lol.
 
2012-10-30 10:22:32 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: Same here. I'm into guys, and I've never felt uncomfortable being a male or felt the urge to change my gender. The closest i've come to that was trying on my sister's high heels when I was 6, and that's only because I was curious how anyone could walk in those damn things.


I did that once. It was fun, like some sort of circus ring acrobatic challenge. I also played with my sister's palm palms once. Hey, I was a kid and they were somewhat fluffy things that made noise and looked neat when you shook 'em around.

/don't judge me!
 
2012-10-30 10:24:19 AM

Wollffeey: So the hormones became too much to handle and the moodswings were unbearable. Why do you think so many women biatch about hormones? It's because they suck! If I didn't have to put up with monthly cycles, I wouldn't. However, I'm mentally mostly female so I don't have any inclination to transition to male.


Heh. I know a few genderqueer people that have made that exact argument about why they considered transitioning to male.

Personally, I don't find them to be too unbearable... except for the time I missed my Depo-Estradial injection and for an insane reason decided to hold off a few days on getting it.
 
2012-10-30 10:25:31 AM
You see, this is why the whole idea is insane and practiced by insane people. You want the operations? Pay full book price yourself and leave all of us out of it. And stay out of the media and politics surrounding the issue.
 
2012-10-30 10:27:09 AM

Apok451: Thats probably the best course. As teenagers what you want changes from day to day, sometimes even from minute to minute. Though some do know for sure what they want, its just not common, but still should give it time and lots of thought. I wouldnt want to have a sex changes at all, I like what I have as it is. Though I could see how some guys may want to give it up for a magnificent set of tits. Though I do seriously wonder how many of the male to female transgenders have trouble keeping their own hands off their new boobs? I know my personal mindset and I would play with them endlessly and ask people if they wanted to see them, lol.


... Believe me, it takes effort. Though I don't ask other people if they want to see them; the one time someone other than my wife/doctors asked to see them I handed them a breast*form*.
 
2012-10-30 10:29:21 AM

Cythraul: I did that once. It was fun, like some sort of circus ring acrobatic challenge. I also played with my sister's palm palms once. Hey, I was a kid and they were somewhat fluffy things that made noise and looked neat when you shook 'em around.


Pom-poms. And you call yourself gay.
 
2012-10-30 10:36:21 AM
Be honest with yourself.
If you look in the mirror and see a guy. I mean, literally SEE a guy. Not like, "I know who I am". I mean, the facial structure, the body structure etc.
Just move on. It would take a miracle for you to come out looking like a normal woman. That or just Scrooge McDuck money.

Here's the deal. Frankenstein. If Frankenstein's creation was beautiful he would have been loved. He would have never hurt anyone. His creation even explains it in detail in the book. It's the same deal. If you look at yourself and think you can pull it off, kudos. But lets face it, there is a high probability that you will come out somewhere in the middle.

People will look at you and wince. People will say, my God. Family will be ashamed and abhored.
Or.
People will look at you and applaud your beauty. People will say, my God! Family will be supportive and receptive to your lifestyle choices.

Some people are willing to accept that chance, no matter what. But damn, someone with a fragile constitution would have a wicked hard time. Especially if it goes wrong.
 
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