Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.
Note: forcing pagination mode for this thread because of the high number of comments. (why?)

(ABC News) NewsFlash The worst case scenario has occurred: NYU Medical Center has lost all power and oxygen supplies. Hundreds of people, including newborns and children, are being evacuated   ( abcnews.go.com) divider line
    More: NewsFlash, NYU Medical Center, New York University, Medical Center, emergency power system, NYU Langone Medical Center, New York Presbyterian Hospital, New York Fire Department, Weill Cornell Medical College  
•       •       •

13013 clicks; posted to Main » on 30 Oct 2012 at 1:20 AM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»


Want to get NewsFlash notifications in email?

832 Comments     (+0 »)
 
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | » | Newest

 
2012-10-30 01:21:12 AM  
The Aristocrats!
 
2012-10-30 01:21:18 AM  
farking hell.
 
2012-10-30 01:21:24 AM  
:(
 
2012-10-30 01:22:18 AM  
I thought we learned not to put the backup generators in the basement...

/seriously, though, this sucks
 
2012-10-30 01:22:23 AM  
Not anywhere near the "worst case scenerio", subby.
 
2012-10-30 01:22:30 AM  
Yikes. Tell me they had a backup plan ready to implement?
 
2012-10-30 01:22:37 AM  
Wouldn't the worst case scenario being this happening city wide? With no possibility of evac?
 
2012-10-30 01:23:25 AM  

clkeagle: Yikes. Tell me they had a backup plan ready to implement?


This sounds like one to me. Hope their backup plan has a backup plan, though.
 
2012-10-30 01:23:34 AM  
Do they have to pay extra for the evacuation?
 
2012-10-30 01:23:36 AM  
They're doing a coordinated evacuation to other local hospitals. This is far away from a worst-case scenario, not a great scenario, of course, but far from the worst.
 
2012-10-30 01:23:37 AM  
Evacuated to where, exactly?
 
2012-10-30 01:23:57 AM  
Actually, the hospital is what is being evac... oh hell, the people probably are too.

Hope this doesn't get worse.
 
2012-10-30 01:24:20 AM  

CommieTaoist: They're doing a coordinated evacuation to other local hospitals. This is far away from a worst-case scenario, not a great scenario, of course, but far from the worst.


Saw your response with the page refresh from my post.
 
2012-10-30 01:25:20 AM  

LordOfThePings: Actually, the hospital is what is being evac... oh hell, the people probably are too.

Hope this doesn't get worse.


Well, it might, what with it being sick people and everything. OH and the storm and lack of power, roads being screwed, flooding, just that stuff.
 
2012-10-30 01:26:01 AM  
Didn't this happen at Bellvue too? shiat. Hope those babies are okay.

My sister lives on the UES (E73rd and York), not far from the East River, and I haven't heard from her in hours (they were not within the evacuation zone). Anybody know if the river breached the seawalls that far north? I hate to be an anxious tard, but all the police/fire radio chatter is creeping me out.
 
2012-10-30 01:26:10 AM  
Welp.
 
2012-10-30 01:27:49 AM  
LIVE FEED OF FDNY FIRE COMMUNICATIONS FROM QUEENS, INCLUDING EVACUATION

Click here to listen.

Bad, bad shiat is going down in New York, folks.
 
2012-10-30 01:27:50 AM  

LordOfThePings: Actually, the hospital is what is being evac... oh hell, the people probably are too.

Hope this doesn't get worse.


Poop thread!
 
2012-10-30 01:28:13 AM  
Dogspeed.
 
2012-10-30 01:28:30 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Didn't this happen at Bellvue too? shiat. Hope those babies are okay.

My sister lives on the UES (E73rd and York), not far from the East River, and I haven't heard from her in hours (they were not within the evacuation zone). Anybody know if the river breached the seawalls that far north? I hate to be an anxious tard, but all the police/fire radio chatter is creeping me out.


Don't worry. Those baby cribs will float for a little bit.
 
2012-10-30 01:28:41 AM  
No, the 'worst case scenario' is that the subway tunnels downtown are flooded. Let me know when Wall Street's hard on goes limp and the global economy takes a dive.
 
2012-10-30 01:28:52 AM  
???? I thought the worst case scenario was a zombie apocalypse or something...
 
2012-10-30 01:28:54 AM  
Typically backup generators fail when the fuel supply is disrupted. Building codes don't allow for the diesel to be stored inside the building without extraordinary measure being taken. Those measures are always cost prohibitive. So the fuel will most likely be in some sort of underground cistern. The likely source of the power failure is the pumps for the generators have been damaged.

There really is no good solution to the problem with current technology. I wish there was but that's not in the foreseeable future.

/architect
 
2012-10-30 01:29:45 AM  
How do you not check to make sure your emergency generators work before a blizzardcanepocalypse?
 
2012-10-30 01:29:46 AM  
Praying for Omarion
 
2012-10-30 01:29:48 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Didn't this happen at Bellvue too? shiat. Hope those babies are okay.

My sister lives on the UES (E73rd and York), not far from the East River, and I haven't heard from her in hours (they were not within the evacuation zone). Anybody know if the river breached the seawalls that far north? I hate to be an anxious tard, but all the police/fire radio chatter is creeping me out.


Bellevue without power.
 
2012-10-30 01:29:59 AM  

pxlboy: Evacuated to where, exactly?


Mt. Sinai, Columbia, HSS, Doctors, St. Vincents....
 
2012-10-30 01:30:22 AM  
pbs.twimg.comView Full Size


Taken 40 minutes ago at the beginning of evacuation. Those are ALL ambulances.
 
2012-10-30 01:30:24 AM  
news.bbcimg.co.ukView Full Size


No, THIS would be the worst case scenario, Subby.
 
2012-10-30 01:30:52 AM  
I'll defend subby and say this is most likely the worst case scenario for this particular hospital.
 
2012-10-30 01:31:02 AM  
upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 01:32:10 AM  
This is getting worse and worse. I hope they find somewhere to send those poor people. This is becoming a train wreck.
 
2012-10-30 01:32:15 AM  

newborns are not people

 
mjg
2012-10-30 01:32:26 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.comView Full Size


"I don' want to wait ..."
 
2012-10-30 01:32:31 AM  

Emposter: How do you not check to make sure your emergency generators work before a blizzardcanepocalypse?


A friend deals with data centers in Kansas City. Many of them have generators that get test started using mains power and their battery backup starter was never tested or someone stole the car battery needed to start the things once main power was lost.
 
2012-10-30 01:32:52 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: My sister lives on the UES (E73rd and York), not far from the East River, and I haven't heard from her in hours (they were not within the evacuation zone). Anybody know if the river breached the seawalls that far north? I hate to be an anxious tard, but all the police/fire radio chatter is creeping me out.


UES is pretty high above sea level, so she's almost certainly safe. Pretty much anything above Midtown is high and dry. The bedrock in Manhattan actually come up out of the ground at Central park, so anything north of there is high ground By the time you get to Harlem, it's about 100 ft above sea level.
 
2012-10-30 01:33:20 AM  
is0.4sqi.netView Full Size


Way worse.

/still horrifying, Mr.Stay-Puft
 
2012-10-30 01:33:26 AM  
DAMN OBAMACARE!
 
2012-10-30 01:33:32 AM  

pxlboy: Evacuated to where, exactly?


Well done.
 
2012-10-30 01:33:37 AM  
Damn, this is getting worse than I thought it would be.

Be safe Eastern Seaboarders.
 
2012-10-30 01:34:08 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Didn't this happen at Bellvue too? shiat. Hope those babies are okay.

My sister lives on the UES (E73rd and York), not far from the East River, and I haven't heard from her in hours (they were not within the evacuation zone). Anybody know if the river breached the seawalls that far north? I hate to be an anxious tard, but all the police/fire radio chatter is creeping me out.


I've got relatives on 2nd ave and 40th, they're just fine, and co-workers just across the east river who are also fine, albeit just barely - but they are right on the waterfront at street level.
 
2012-10-30 01:34:18 AM  

Emposter: How do you not check to make sure your emergency generators work before a blizzardcanepocalypse?


Some municipalities require you to replace ALL of your fuel once the generators have started. In the case of a major hospital I would imagine they have immense cisterns. I would not be surprised if they have upwards of 10,000 gallons of diesel available.

If this is the case the building department and city council members who voted for that section of the city code need to be hung.
 
2012-10-30 01:34:25 AM  
 
2012-10-30 01:34:49 AM  
there's some clowns in the other thread with big generators..maybe they can help
 
2012-10-30 01:34:51 AM  
The 911 system in new york is being overloaded because people are calling and wanting to know when their power will be turned back on.

Idiots.
 
2012-10-30 01:35:20 AM  
Good luck New Yorkers, and diety of your choice bless. But you'll still be assholes next week.
 
2012-10-30 01:35:33 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Bonanza Jellybean: My sister lives on the UES (E73rd and York), not far from the East River, and I haven't heard from her in hours (they were not within the evacuation zone). Anybody know if the river breached the seawalls that far north? I hate to be an anxious tard, but all the police/fire radio chatter is creeping me out.

UES is pretty high above sea level, so she's almost certainly safe. Pretty much anything above Midtown is high and dry. The bedrock in Manhattan actually come up out of the ground at Central park, so anything north of there is high ground By the time you get to Harlem, it's about 100 ft above sea level.


Thanks. There has been some flooding in the UES I guess, but I feel better now. Much appreciated.
 
2012-10-30 01:35:45 AM  
Worst case scenario? For a second I thought 'Homeland' was cancelled.
 
2012-10-30 01:36:03 AM  
Folks dont let the trolls derail the real issues here. Just put them on ignore and move on.

Subby you are right this is ghastly.
 
2012-10-30 01:36:06 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: there's some clowns in the other thread with big generators..maybe they can help


hey buddy.
 
2012-10-30 01:36:09 AM  

MisterTweak: Bonanza Jellybean: Didn't this happen at Bellvue too? shiat. Hope those babies are okay.

My sister lives on the UES (E73rd and York), not far from the East River, and I haven't heard from her in hours (they were not within the evacuation zone). Anybody know if the river breached the seawalls that far north? I hate to be an anxious tard, but all the police/fire radio chatter is creeping me out.

I've got relatives on 2nd ave and 40th, they're just fine, and co-workers just across the east river who are also fine, albeit just barely - but they are right on the waterfront at street level.


And thanks to you too.
 
2012-10-30 01:36:29 AM  
Can we get back to REAL problems now?
 
2012-10-30 01:36:39 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Not anywhere near the "worst case scenerio", subby.


Totally. Cloverfield monster hasn't even awoken yet.
 
2012-10-30 01:36:52 AM  
FDNY is telling all units near the floodwaters to cease operations and not attempt to enter certain areas until the water goes down.
 
2012-10-30 01:37:07 AM  
Those pics of the ambulances is impressive. You have to give New York credit, they have the resources to deal with shiat.
 
2012-10-30 01:37:29 AM  
They call the storm Sandy
markfarmersworld.comView Full Size

Cause it's only got one eye.
 
2012-10-30 01:37:36 AM  

ilikeracecars: I'll defend subby and say this is most likely the worst case scenario for this particular hospital.


Not even. Generators failing, structural failure, and no way to evacuate patients due to flooding would start to head in the direction of "worst case" for that hospital.
 
2012-10-30 01:38:11 AM  

keytronic: Those pics of the ambulances is impressive. You have to give New York credit, they have the resources to deal with shiat.


Those are from all over the United States, not just NY Metro. AMR and Rural/Metro both have EMS Strike Teams up there now evacing.

Listening to the radio traffic is chilling. It's crazy down there.
 
2012-10-30 01:38:23 AM  

pissedoffmick: Haliburton Cummings: there's some clowns in the other thread with big generators..maybe they can help

hey buddy.


oh the clown trolls are here too
 
2012-10-30 01:38:34 AM  

LordOfThePings: Actually, the hospital is what is being evac... oh hell, the people probably are too.

Hope this doesn't get worse.


Gutierrez, you can't evacuate people. I mean, you can if you want
 
2012-10-30 01:38:38 AM  
To be fair no one told them a storm was coming.
 
mjg
2012-10-30 01:39:08 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Good luck New Yorkers, and diety of your choice bless. But you'll still be assholes next week.


imageshack.usView Full Size


Atlanta. And douche to boot.

/loser
 
2012-10-30 01:39:18 AM  

BronyMedic:
You know, I rarely say this, but...


i48.tinypic.comView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 01:39:18 AM  

Meatybrain: They call the storm Sandy
[www.markfarmersworld.com image 279x341]
Cause it's only got one eye.


imitation is the sincerest form of flatulence
 
2012-10-30 01:39:28 AM  
Yeesh. This is getting bad. I hope the best for those over there.
 
2012-10-30 01:39:56 AM  
What's worse than that is the skin on the front page.
 
2012-10-30 01:40:13 AM  
The ironic twist to this storm vs. Katrina is that where NOLA saw a large percentage of its poorest become the hardest-hit, Sandy seems to be targeting the richest demographics. Ocean City, Greenwich, Atlantic City, Manhattan...

...It will be interesting to compare the scope of the recovery efforts to, say, those carried out in the 9th Ward of New Orleans.

I bet not too many Midtown socialites are gonna end up in FEMA trailers.
 
2012-10-30 01:40:43 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Typically backup generators fail when the fuel supply is disrupted. Building codes don't allow for the diesel to be stored inside the building without extraordinary measure being taken. Those measures are always cost prohibitive. So the fuel will most likely be in some sort of underground cistern. The likely source of the power failure is the pumps for the generators have been damaged.

There really is no good solution to the problem with current technology. I wish there was but that's not in the foreseeable future.

/architect


Kind of sad how people think that all we need to prevent any tragedy is the right kind of preparation or protocols. Its a kind of naivete when people think that if only THEY had been in charge no tragedy would have occurred.

Building codes like this are there for a damn good reason and it makes far more sense to have codes that keep everyone safe everyday - rather than doing all our construction to prepare for a once in a lifetime event like this.
 
2012-10-30 01:41:23 AM  

Highroller48: The ironic twist to this storm vs. Katrina is that where NOLA saw a large percentage of its poorest become the hardest-hit, Sandy seems to be targeting the richest demographics. Ocean City, Greenwich, Atlantic City, Manhattan...

...It will be interesting to compare the scope of the recovery efforts to, say, those carried out in the 9th Ward of New Orleans.

I bet not too many Midtown socialites are gonna end up in FEMA trailers.


It doesn't help that the officials there delayed an official request for FEMA and federal mutual aid resources, you know. New Orleans was far from JUST FEMA's foul up.
 
2012-10-30 01:42:32 AM  
Worst case would have involved not having a way to evacuate those people out. Apparently they were able to get a freaking armada of ambulances over there right away in an orderly manner, without having to resort to school buses or taxis.

Still, sending warm thoughts towards NY. Maybe the Jets could send up Tebow to carry the wee bairns across the water to safety?
 
2012-10-30 01:42:54 AM  

saintstryfe: And we know now the result of that old Bush Administration fight....


Well, that didn't take long.
 
2012-10-30 01:42:55 AM  
i am guessing that that contract will not be renewed.
 
2012-10-30 01:43:07 AM  
Noooooooooooo not the PONIES!!!!!
 
2012-10-30 01:43:18 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Still, sending warm thoughts towards NY. Maybe the Jets could send up Tebow to carry the wee bairns across the water to safety?


Doesn't he have an inside connection. Couldn't someone just put him on the roof with a staff to take care of this shiat?
 
2012-10-30 01:43:40 AM  
The news just keeps getting worse and worse.

I hope everyone will be okay.
 
2012-10-30 01:43:44 AM  

Blowmonkey: HotWingAgenda: Still, sending warm thoughts towards NY. Maybe the Jets could send up Tebow to carry the wee bairns across the water to safety?

Doesn't he have an inside connection. Couldn't someone just put him on the roof with a staff to take care of this shiat?


Tebow is just as bad as obama then!
 
2012-10-30 01:43:56 AM  

Highroller48: The ironic twist to this storm vs. Katrina is that where NOLA saw a large percentage of its poorest become the hardest-hit, Sandy seems to be targeting the richest demographics. Ocean City, Greenwich, Atlantic City, Manhattan...

...It will be interesting to compare the scope of the recovery efforts to, say, those carried out in the 9th Ward of New Orleans.

I bet not too many Midtown socialites are gonna end up in FEMA trailers.


Atlantic City a "rich demographic"? Me thinks you've never been there. It's one street of hotels surrounded by ghettos.
 
2012-10-30 01:44:05 AM  
Im not going to make a snarky comment, or even attempt any kind of humour in this.
Best of luck folks.
 
2012-10-30 01:44:07 AM  
Whoa
 
2012-10-30 01:44:18 AM  
xl5150 is a highly skilled troll. Please ignore him. I know it's hard, but I believe in you.
 
2012-10-30 01:44:19 AM  

BronyMedic: Blowmonkey: HotWingAgenda: Still, sending warm thoughts towards NY. Maybe the Jets could send up Tebow to carry the wee bairns across the water to safety?

Doesn't he have an inside connection. Couldn't someone just put him on the roof with a staff to take care of this shiat?

Tebow is just as bad as obama then!


Obama? Really? that's wha you autocorrect Osama to?

OH GOD. MY AUTOCORRECT IS REPUBLICAN!
 
2012-10-30 01:44:22 AM  

quickdraw: Folks dont let the trolls derail the real issues here. Just put them on ignore and move on.


THIS

Folks, there are some fundamentally broken and genuinely horrible human beings about, and replying to them will only have the effect of turning this thread into yet another trainwreck. Please, just ignore them and try to keep the signal-to-noise ratio up.
 
2012-10-30 01:45:00 AM  
Bellevue is being evacuated because the two primary backup generators are under 2'+ water and the generators that are still running only had about an hours worth of fuel. Bellevue was asking the national guard to bucket brigade fuel to the 13th floor but that either didn't happen or was too much of a short term solution.
 
2012-10-30 01:45:09 AM  
How

God-is-a-Taco: BronyMedic:
You know, I rarely say this, but...

[i48.tinypic.com image 357x368]


Great. Now I want KFC.
 
2012-10-30 01:45:10 AM  
Let's sensationalize the situation even more, shall we?

BABIES ARE DROWNING, AN ENTIRE NYC GENERATION LOST?
 
2012-10-30 01:46:18 AM  
On the flip side, traffic is going to be cake for a few weeks, assuming you parked your car on a roof somewhere. Enjoy the open streets while people wait for their insurance companies to replace their flooded wheels.
 
2012-10-30 01:46:41 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Let's sensationalize the situation even more, shall we?

BABIES ARE DROWNING, AN ENTIRE NYC GENERATION LOST?


Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal.

The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.
 
2012-10-30 01:47:01 AM  
How Farking hard is it to maintain a backup generator? Angolans can figure it out. Fark NY.
 
2012-10-30 01:47:24 AM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: xl5150 is a highly skilled troll. Please ignore him. I know it's hard, but I believe in you.


highly skilled? hardly. Anytime you have to make yourself sound like a naive little kid in order to troll youre just giving it away.
 
2012-10-30 01:47:38 AM  
For a bit of good news: I called my brother, who lives in the Bronx. He is doing great, and totally drunk. In fact, after I asked how he was he said FAB-U-LOS!
 
2012-10-30 01:47:41 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Typically backup generators fail when the fuel supply is disrupted. Building codes don't allow for the diesel to be stored inside the building without extraordinary measure being taken. Those measures are always cost prohibitive. So the fuel will most likely be in some sort of underground cistern. The likely source of the power failure is the pumps for the generators have been damaged.

There really is no good solution to the problem with current technology. I wish there was but that's not in the foreseeable future.

/architect


Thanks for posting. I was trying to figure out why they hadn't moved stuff higher.

Makes sense.

And sucks.

Hope they are okay.
 
2012-10-30 01:48:12 AM  
When you don't plan for the worst, the worst happens.
 
2012-10-30 01:48:16 AM  
This is Obama's Isaac.

No, wait.
 
2012-10-30 01:48:37 AM  

BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: Let's sensationalize the situation even more, shall we?

BABIES ARE DROWNING, AN ENTIRE NYC GENERATION LOST?

Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal.

The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.


And yet it's not the worst case scenario...
 
2012-10-30 01:48:40 AM  
media3.washingtonpost.comView Full Size


"Nope, nothing to worry about, New York. Everything looks good here. "
 
2012-10-30 01:49:27 AM  

Blowmonkey: Well, it might, what with it being sick people and everything. OH and the storm and lack of power, roads being screwed, flooding, just that stuff.


Yeah, thanks for the warm feeling.
 
2012-10-30 01:49:47 AM  

mynameist: How Farking hard is it to maintain a backup generator? Angolans can figure it out. Fark NY.


This tread is turning into a great place to update The List.
 
2012-10-30 01:49:55 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: And yet it's not the worst case scenario...


Absent of a building collapse killing them, yeah it is. It's not as simple as hooking an adult up to a BVM and bagging them until the power comes back on.
 
fj4
2012-10-30 01:49:56 AM  

bob_ross: newborns are not people


No shiat. They don't pay taxes, and just expect everything to be given to them.
 
2012-10-30 01:50:15 AM  

seventypercent: quickdraw: Folks dont let the trolls derail the real issues here. Just put them on ignore and move on.

THIS

Folks, there are some fundamentally broken and genuinely horrible human beings about, and replying to them will only have the effect of turning this thread into yet another trainwreck. Please, just ignore them and try to keep the signal-to-noise ratio up.


MOAR THIS
 
2012-10-30 01:50:21 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: Let's sensationalize the situation even more, shall we?

BABIES ARE DROWNING, AN ENTIRE NYC GENERATION LOST?

Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal.

The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

And yet it's not the worst case scenario...


It is if you're the baby.
 
2012-10-30 01:50:24 AM  
I can't even imagine trying to get ICU/NICU patients, especially those in need of ventilation down, the stairs. The hospital staff who pulled it off deserve thanks, hugs, and many free drinks.
 
2012-10-30 01:50:57 AM  

BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.


Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.
 
2012-10-30 01:51:05 AM  
They just struck out a fourth alarm fire in Queens.
 
2012-10-30 01:51:33 AM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: xl5150 is a highly skilled troll. Please ignore him. I know it's hard, but I believe in you.


I'll try to restrain myself.
 
2012-10-30 01:51:47 AM  

BronyMedic:
It doesn't help that the officials there delayed an official request for FEMA and federal mutual aid resources, you know. New Orleans was far from JUST FEMA's foul up.


I apologize, I wasn't specific. I Certainly don't blame FEMA for NOLA's failures. There was lots to go around.

My only point is that there are still a lot of unrecovered properties all these years later, but something tells me Mr. Millionaire's brownstoneoverlooking the East River will be cleaned up a lot faster.
 
2012-10-30 01:51:58 AM  

mynameist: How Farking hard is it to maintain a backup generator? Angolans can figure it out. Fark NY.


Bellevue's problems were the primary backups were under water. NYU's problem is likely salt water in the underground (below sea level) tanks.
 
2012-10-30 01:52:11 AM  

BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: And yet it's not the worst case scenario...

Absent of a building collapse killing them, yeah it is. It's not as simple as hooking an adult up to a BVM and bagging them until the power comes back on.


Things can always get worse.
 
2012-10-30 01:52:30 AM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: Noooooooooooo not the PONIES!!!!!


AverageAmericanGuy: saintstryfe: And we know now the result of that old Bush Administration fight....

Well, that didn't take long.


Well yeah, we knew this. 7 years of badly placed funding can't be fixed in 3, so yeah. It's not politics... it's a fact. Bush screwed up federal emergency management funding for a decade. Lots of money was sent to places that didn't really have anything. Places claimed funds that should have gone to places like New York and New Orleans to protect shopping malls and silos and used it to buy hugely expensive equipment of questionable use. It was wrong.
 
2012-10-30 01:52:31 AM  
It's only a category 1 hurricane........
 
2012-10-30 01:52:38 AM  

Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.


What's NICU?
 
2012-10-30 01:53:56 AM  
This is like watching e-looting. The anger in here is full blown crazy.
 
2012-10-30 01:54:08 AM  
Looks like I may end up going to NYC in a couple of days.
 
2012-10-30 01:54:09 AM  

BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: And yet it's not the worst case scenario...

Absent of a building collapse killing them, yeah it is. It's not as simple as hooking an adult up to a BVM and bagging them until the power comes back on.


The streets are clear enough to move them. It's really not as bad as you're making it out.

I'd suggest shutting the scanner off and going to bed; you're not helping things. I know (I hope) you don't mean to be fear-mongering, but that's how your posts are coming across.
 
2012-10-30 01:54:10 AM  

doglover: Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.

What's NICU?


Neonatal Intensive Care Unit
 
2012-10-30 01:54:18 AM  

doglover: What's NICU?


Neonatal Intensive Care Unit
 
2012-10-30 01:54:31 AM  

doglover: Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.

What's NICU?


WTF is a NICU, anyway?

Level I: Basic Newborn Care: Level 1 nurseries care for healthy, full-term babies. They are able to stabilize babies born near term to get them ready to transfer to facilities that offer special care.

Level II: Specialty Newborn Care: Special care nurseries can care for babies born at greater than 32 weeks gestation or who are recovering from more serious conditions.

Level IIA: These nurseries do not provide assisted ventilation.
Level IIB: These nurseries can provide assisted ventilation for less than 24 hours, and can also provide continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP).
Level III: Subspecialty Newborn Care: Level III NICUs care for the sickest babies and offer the greatest variety of support.

Level IIIA: These nurseries care for babies born greater than 28 weeks. They offer mechanical ventilation and minor surgical procedures such as central line placement.
Level IIIB: Level IIIB NICUs can offer different types of mechanical ventilation, have access to a wide range of pediatric specialists, can use imaging capabilities beyond x-ray, and may provide some surgeries requiring anesthesia.
Level IIIC: The most acute care is provided in level IIIC NICUs, sometimes called level IV NICUs. These nurseries can provide advanced ventilation, including ECMO, and can provide advanced surgeries including "open-heart" surgeries to correct congenital heart defects
 
2012-10-30 01:54:35 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.comView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 01:55:14 AM  

doglover: Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.

What's NICU?


neo-natal intensive care unit, basically where we try to keep premi's alive.
 
2012-10-30 01:55:36 AM  

doglover: Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.

What's NICU?

NeoNatal Intensive Care Unit
 
2012-10-30 01:56:29 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: And yet it's not the worst case scenario...

Absent of a building collapse killing them, yeah it is. It's not as simple as hooking an adult up to a BVM and bagging them until the power comes back on.

The streets are clear enough to move them. It's really not as bad as you're making it out.

I'd suggest shutting the scanner off and going to bed; you're not helping things. I know (I hope) you don't mean to be fear-mongering, but that's how your posts are coming across.


Sleep? I can't even lay flat right now. I'm hitting the nebulizer every two hours because of the wheezing, so I've got albuterol jitters. I've got bacterial bronchitis from hell, man.
 
2012-10-30 01:56:46 AM  

eraser8: Neonatal


WhyteRaven74: Neonatal


BronyMedic: WTF is a NICU, anyway?


Many tanks.

images.wikia.comView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 01:56:53 AM  
7 subway tunnels under East River flooded according to NY MTA chairman
 
2012-10-30 01:56:58 AM  
Has anyone answered the question "What's an NICU" yet? Cause I don't see it anywhere in the thread.

/end smartass
 
2012-10-30 01:58:13 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Dwight_Yeast: Bonanza Jellybean: My sister lives on the UES (E73rd and York), not far from the East River, and I haven't heard from her in hours (they were not within the evacuation zone). Anybody know if the river breached the seawalls that far north? I hate to be an anxious tard, but all the police/fire radio chatter is creeping me out.

UES is pretty high above sea level, so she's almost certainly safe. Pretty much anything above Midtown is high and dry. The bedrock in Manhattan actually come up out of the ground at Central park, so anything north of there is high ground By the time you get to Harlem, it's about 100 ft above sea level.

Thanks. There has been some flooding in the UES I guess, but I feel better now. Much appreciated.


I live a few blocks from there. The highway (right on the river) was under about 5 feet of water, but it didn't come in much more than that. Probably nothing to worry about.
 
2012-10-30 01:58:39 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: mynameist: How Farking hard is it to maintain a backup generator? Angolans can figure it out. Fark NY.

This tread is turning into a great place to update The List.


Yeah it is.
And during things like this, you get to make sure the real scumbags go away vs the people who troll for fun.
 
2012-10-30 01:59:05 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Has anyone answered the question "What's an NICU" yet? Cause I don't see it anywhere in the thread.

/end smartass


Neonatal intensive care unit
 
2012-10-30 01:59:15 AM  
7 million without power
 
2012-10-30 01:59:39 AM  

LadyBelgara: I thought we learned not to put the backup generators in the basement...

/seriously, though, this sucks


I thought you didn't put them far enough away from the main building because if you have to turn them on, you need more than a shotgun or the velociraptors will get you.
 
2012-10-30 02:00:00 AM  

Hobodeluxe: 7 million without power


How are temps? Is it cold too?
 
2012-10-30 02:00:01 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Dwight_Yeast: Bonanza Jellybean: My sister lives on the UES (E73rd and York), not far from the East River, and I haven't heard from her in hours (they were not within the evacuation zone). Anybody know if the river breached the seawalls that far north? I hate to be an anxious tard, but all the police/fire radio chatter is creeping me out.

UES is pretty high above sea level, so she's almost certainly safe. Pretty much anything above Midtown is high and dry. The bedrock in Manhattan actually come up out of the ground at Central park, so anything north of there is high ground By the time you get to Harlem, it's about 100 ft above sea level.

Thanks. There has been some flooding in the UES I guess, but I feel better now. Much appreciated.


Central Harlem is 24 feet above sea level and it slopes downward toward the east river.
 
2012-10-30 02:00:13 AM  

quickdraw: ol!

Thats definitely something a twelve-year old would say.


Don't keep him. He has to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2012-10-30 02:01:12 AM  

doglover: eraser8: Neonatal

WhyteRaven74: Neonatal

BronyMedic: WTF is a NICU, anyway?

Many tanks.

[images.wikia.com image 300x243]


Sooooooo many M2s...
 
2012-10-30 02:01:12 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Typically backup generators fail when the fuel supply is disrupted. Building codes don't allow for the diesel to be stored inside the building without extraordinary measure being taken. Those measures are always cost prohibitive. So the fuel will most likely be in some sort of underground cistern. The likely source of the power failure is the pumps for the generators have been damaged.

There really is no good solution to the problem with current technology. I wish there was but that's not in the foreseeable future.

/architect


How about a propane or natural gas generator?
 
2012-10-30 02:01:37 AM  
Damn. This is exactly like what happened to Big Charity in New Orleans during Katrina.

doctors and nurses trying to keep people alive for a solid week with no power in 90+F heat because no one thought to put the diesel tanks somewhere that flood water couldn't get to them.
 
2012-10-30 02:01:53 AM  

BronyMedic: Sleep? I can't even lay flat right now. I'm hitting the nebulizer every two hours because of the wheezing, so I've got albuterol jitters. I've got bacterial bronchitis from hell, man.


Oh that sucks. I had pretty bad asthma when I was a kid, and I remember how little fun too much albuterol is. Explains why your posts are a little more paranoid than usual, too.

Continue on; there's no way you're sleeping tonight. Get well soon.
 
2012-10-30 02:02:08 AM  
I love my local news. "There are more people without power than LIVE IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF OREGON!"

I thought we measured things the Rhode Islands as a national standard?
 
2012-10-30 02:02:18 AM  
The real problem is in Queens. A major conflagration has broken out in Breezy Point. 15 fully involved buildings, and FDNY is having trouble getting battalions on scene and finding working pumps.
 
2012-10-30 02:02:39 AM  

doglover: Generators are heavy. "You want one up there, YOU carry it." was probably said at some point during the planning phase.


It wasnt the generators - it was the fuel. You don't put large cisterns of fuel in the same place as a lot of people and assorted electronics.

Really really a good idea not to have giant bombs on the upper levels of a building for allll sorts of reasons.
 
2012-10-30 02:02:41 AM  
The Spartans knew how to deal with this issue:

0.tqn.comView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 02:03:24 AM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: The real problem is in Queens. A major conflagration has broken out in Breezy Point. 15 fully involved buildings, and FDNY is having trouble getting battalions on scene and finding working pumps.


They should have sprung for the Jimmy Choos.
 
2012-10-30 02:03:29 AM  
From reading the previous comments I don't have to be too snarky with the Katrina comparisons but I will say that it will be a fact that any damaged areas of New York will be repaired a lot quicker than the Katrina damage in New Orleans.
 
2012-10-30 02:03:35 AM  

davidphogan: I love my local news. "There are more people without power than LIVE IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF OREGON!"

I thought we measured things the Rhode Islands as a national standard?


Only in terms of distance.
Population counts tend to be compared to flyover country.
 
2012-10-30 02:03:38 AM  

quickdraw: Hobodeluxe: 7 million without power

How are temps? Is it cold too?


50 ish
 
2012-10-30 02:03:39 AM  

doglover: Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.

What's NICU?


NICU
 
2012-10-30 02:03:51 AM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: . A major conflagration has broken out in Breezy Point. 15 fully involved buildings, and FDNY is having trouble getting battalions on scene and finding working pumps.


A major fire in a flood. Has anyone contacted Alanis Morrisette?
 
2012-10-30 02:04:03 AM  
thought it was obvious that life and death infrastructure near major large bodies of water and near said body of water's waterline needed to rethink leaving the backup generators in the basement after the japanese tsunami. they've had 20 months. if people die to this neglect, there should be serious repercussions.
 
2012-10-30 02:04:17 AM  

Seige101: Smeggy Smurf: Typically backup generators fail when the fuel supply is disrupted. Building codes don't allow for the diesel to be stored inside the building without extraordinary measure being taken. Those measures are always cost prohibitive. So the fuel will most likely be in some sort of underground cistern. The likely source of the power failure is the pumps for the generators have been damaged.

There really is no good solution to the problem with current technology. I wish there was but that's not in the foreseeable future.

/architect

How about a propane or natural gas generator?


Propane is a tricky gas - not at all stable. Natural gas is even worse. Diesel is the most stable which is why they use it for emergencies.
 
2012-10-30 02:04:22 AM  
Has anyone heard a timetable for when this storm is going to be... over?
 
2012-10-30 02:05:29 AM  
I can't even do it this time. Snark is put on hold. Trolling is right out. I've seen what happens in hospitals under better circumstances than this. I'm a misanthrope, but seeing an entire hospital go dark and evac is soul-crushing. Best of luck to everybody. We're not far off from similar circumstances here in the PacNW. Pull through. Show the world what kind of right bastards you can be. Take care of each other.
 
2012-10-30 02:05:45 AM  

saintstryfe: It is if they're underwater!


They arent.
 
2012-10-30 02:05:52 AM  
This is what happens when you ask someone to install a backup generator instead of asking someone to plan for the appropriate way to deal with likely scenarios that would cause an extended power outage.

The hospital just said "backup generator and fuel? Got 'em!" and thought they were done. What they should have done is asked themselves what scenarios are most likely to cause major power outages, and pretty high up the list would be tropical storm flooding. At that point they might have realized that having the diesel tank below ground level in the area that would be flooded MIGHT not be the best idea.

Also, unless you regularly test generators at full load (actually turn them on and run the building on them) then you might as well not have one at all because it will probably break.
 
2012-10-30 02:05:59 AM  

WhyteRaven74: themeaningoflifeisnot: . A major conflagration has broken out in Breezy Point. 15 fully involved buildings, and FDNY is having trouble getting battalions on scene and finding working pumps.

A major fire in a flood. Has anyone contacted Alanis Morrisette?


Interestingly, one of the worst disasters that can threaten a submarine? Fire.

/actually, fire on any ship is a major disaster
 
2012-10-30 02:06:03 AM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: Has anyone heard a timetable for when this storm is going to be... over?


I think it's Tuesday afternoon.
 
2012-10-30 02:06:14 AM  

WhyteRaven74: xl5150: making sure your backup generators work is on par with rocket science.

Apparently they were working just fine, however the sea water managed to get in the fuel supply. Could be due to an issue that was completely outside of the hospital's control.


You mean . . . . an act of god?
 
2012-10-30 02:06:25 AM  

Meatybrain: They call the storm Sandy
[www.markfarmersworld.com image 279x341]
Cause it's only got one eye.


And it ends with Duncan....
 
2012-10-30 02:06:52 AM  

Genevieve Marie: xl5150: GhostFish: Give your input on exactly what more could have been done or shut the fark up.

As I've already written numerous times, they could have performed the rocket science of making sure the backup generators worked at the hospital. But oh no! They only had a few days notice!

Generators of that size and that capacity are incredibly difficult to move, and this is more flooding than they've ever seen in that area. Not all emergencies can be prepared for with only a few days notice.

What you're essentially saying is why couldn't they just totally redesign major hospital systems in a few days to avoid repercussions from a natural disaster. THat's not realistic, and you probably know it.


It wasnt the generators - its the fuel.
 
2012-10-30 02:07:04 AM  

Yoyo: Bonanza Jellybean: xl5150: That's what you get for not being prepared.

/there are these things called backup generators
//novel concept, I know

The did have backup generators, but the story is that unexpectedly high water levels ruined their deisel(sic.) supply.

I was going to guess that the starter batteries were dead or the oil levels were too low due to lack of preventive maintenance. Who doesn't make a fluid tight fuel tank? Seriously. And so what if the flood water levels are 4 feet higher than record. Why can't they just put the generators on the roof with the HVAC equipment?


Good question. That's actually a common practice, but generally with natgas-fired generators. Big cities with dense populations don't like large quantities of flammable, toxic, hazardous fuels being stored where fire crews can't get to them.

(and iirc, the affected building is a collection of various additions and renovations, and exactly as crowded as you'd expect a high-quality hospital in the center of the nation's largest population center to be - and - i gotta say it - "they're doctors, not engineers, dammit!" ;-)
 
2012-10-30 02:07:13 AM  
Back from work. Checked the news. Shiat looks bad for NJ and NYC.
 
2012-10-30 02:07:45 AM  

cefm: This is what happens when you ask someone to install a backup generator instead of asking someone to plan for the appropriate way to deal with likely scenarios that would cause an extended power outage.

The hospital just said "backup generator and fuel? Got 'em!" and thought they were done. What they should have done is asked themselves what scenarios are most likely to cause major power outages, and pretty high up the list would be tropical storm flooding. At that point they might have realized that having the diesel tank below ground level in the area that would be flooded MIGHT not be the best idea.

Also, unless you regularly test generators at full load (actually turn them on and run the building on them) then you might as well not have one at all because it will probably break.


IT WASNT THE GENERATORS. IT WAS THE FUEL.
 
2012-10-30 02:08:15 AM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: Has anyone heard a timetable for when this storm is going to be... over?


Late Friday according to NOAA's current model. Link
 
2012-10-30 02:08:22 AM  

eraser8: Interestingly, one of the worst disasters that can threaten a submarine? Fire.

/actually, fire on any ship is a major disaster


I'm a lot more concerned about the out-of-control Queens fire. What I've seen of the hospital transfers indicates it's all under control, while this huge fire involves residential structures and some reports have FDNY using boats to get people out of burning buildings. We'll see what turns out to be true, but if that's the case, holy shiat!
 
2012-10-30 02:08:30 AM  

HotWingAgenda: WhyteRaven74: xl5150: making sure your backup generators work is on par with rocket science.

Apparently they were working just fine, however the sea water managed to get in the fuel supply. Could be due to an issue that was completely outside of the hospital's control.

You mean . . . . an act of god?


Force Majeure.
 
2012-10-30 02:08:47 AM  

relcec: thought it was obvious that life and death infrastructure near major large bodies of water and near said body of water's waterline needed to rethink leaving the backup generators in the basement after the japanese tsunami. they've had 20 months. if people die to this neglect, there should be serious repercussions.


I guess you're bald BECAUSE THERE'S NO MORE "due"!


HA HA H- okay I'm done.
 
2012-10-30 02:09:07 AM  

quickdraw: It wasnt the generators - its the fuel.



Heard. Rest of it still applies  though. Along with an added admonishment that in times of major chaos, immediately rushing to blame is generally very unhelpful and unproductive.
 
2012-10-30 02:09:15 AM  

relcec: thought it was obvious that life and death infrastructure near major large bodies of water and near said body of water's waterline needed to rethink leaving the backup generators in the basement after the japanese tsunami. they've had 20 months. if people die to this neglect, there should be serious repercussions.


LOL, yeah you go ahead an re-engineer the roof of the building to accept a couple of multi-ton generators with thousands of gallons of flammable fuel in a terrorist target with zero budget (hospitals are not where medical profits go). Oh and do it in 20 months....
 
2012-10-30 02:09:40 AM  
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.comView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 02:09:44 AM  

relcec: thought it was obvious that life and death infrastructure near major large bodies of water and near said body of water's waterline needed to rethink leaving the backup generators in the basement after the japanese tsunami


Well said.
These words will echo throughout the ages.
 
2012-10-30 02:09:47 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Damn. This is exactly like what happened to Big Charity in New Orleans during Katrina.

doctors and nurses trying to keep people alive for a solid week with no power in 90+F heat because no one thought to put the diesel tanks somewhere that flood water couldn't get to them.


where would you put them?
 
2012-10-30 02:09:55 AM  

cefm: What they should have done is asked themselves what scenarios are most likely to cause major power outages


I'm sure they did that. The people who design hospitals take into account all sorts of scenarios. And actually flooding from a major storm wouldn't be too high on the list, though it would be on the list.
 
2012-10-30 02:10:07 AM  

Genevieve Marie: quickdraw: It wasnt the generators - its the fuel.


Heard. Rest of it still applies  though. Along with an added admonishment that in times of major chaos, immediately rushing to blame is generally very unhelpful and unproductive.


Yet, rushing to blame is generally what happens.
 
2012-10-30 02:10:15 AM  

Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.


I had one of those kids (he is 10 now), and this would scare the fark out of me.
 
2012-10-30 02:10:50 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Damn. This is exactly like what happened to Big Charity in New Orleans during Katrina.

doctors and nurses trying to keep people alive for a solid week with no power in 90+F heat because no one thought to put the diesel tanks somewhere that flood water couldn't get to them.


Where do you propose keeping them?
 
2012-10-30 02:11:21 AM  

BronyMedic: LIVE FEED OF FDNY FIRE COMMUNICATIONS FROM QUEENS, INCLUDING EVACUATION

Click here to listen.

Bad, bad shiat is going down in New York, folks.


Curse you. This is heartbreaking to listen to. I keep hearing truck after truck reporting that the roads are impassible and they can't reach the calls.

Glad my boyfriend's in Brooklyn, they don't seem to be getting hit nearly as hard.
 
2012-10-30 02:11:41 AM  

Hagenhatesyouall: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 236x214]


Is that breath hot or cold?

I mean, I'd assume it'd be hot...but, when Superman uses his supercold breath, it comes out that color.
 
2012-10-30 02:11:51 AM  

BronyMedic: The more you eat the more you fart: Damn. This is exactly like what happened to Big Charity in New Orleans during Katrina.

doctors and nurses trying to keep people alive for a solid week with no power in 90+F heat because no one thought to put the diesel tanks somewhere that flood water couldn't get to them.

Where do you propose keeping them?


Zeppelins.
 
2012-10-30 02:11:52 AM  
fire details: (from NY Times)
Three-Alarm Fire in the Rockaways
More than 140 firefighters were battling a three-alarm fire that broke out just after 11 p.m. on Monday in Breezy Point, Queens, a small beach community in the Rockaways that has experienced severe flooding from the storm.

"It's a huge fire - a lot of houses involved," said Firefighter Michael Parrella, a spokesman for the department, adding that the area was "probably the most flooded part of the city so there are all sorts of complications."

The fire, which affected a number of tightly packed homes, was not yet under control early Tuesday morning, he said.
 
2012-10-30 02:12:07 AM  

Lachwen: Curse you. This is heartbreaking to listen to. I keep hearing truck after truck reporting that the roads are impassible and they can't reach the calls.

Glad my boyfriend's in Brooklyn, they don't seem to be getting hit nearly as hard.


Damn!

He's in my thoughts. I hope he's okay, Lachwen!
 
2012-10-30 02:12:16 AM  

keytronic: Those pics of the ambulances is impressive. You have to give New York credit, they have the resources to deal with shiat.


Apparently not any spare generators or fuel cans.
 
2012-10-30 02:12:22 AM  

quickdraw: cefm: This is what happens when you ask someone to install a backup generator instead of asking someone to plan for the appropriate way to deal with likely scenarios that would cause an extended power outage.

The hospital just said "backup generator and fuel? Got 'em!" and thought they were done. What they should have done is asked themselves what scenarios are most likely to cause major power outages, and pretty high up the list would be tropical storm flooding. At that point they might have realized that having the diesel tank below ground level in the area that would be flooded MIGHT not be the best idea.

Also, unless you regularly test generators at full load (actually turn them on and run the building on them) then you might as well not have one at all because it will probably break.

IT WASNT THE GENERATORS. IT WAS THE FUEL.


My first job was for Caterpillar in a LFG fueled power power plant. We used spark ignited engines setup like diesel fuel delivery (turbos etc). You're correct, they have no issue dealing with most stuff but a tainted fuel supply (stored outside courtesy of fire regulation) is game over.

/hope all are safe
//specially the kids/infants
 
2012-10-30 02:12:33 AM  

robodog: relcec: thought it was obvious that life and death infrastructure near major large bodies of water and near said body of water's waterline needed to rethink leaving the backup generators in the basement after the japanese tsunami. they've had 20 months. if people die to this neglect, there should be serious repercussions.

LOL, yeah you go ahead an re-engineer the roof of the building to accept a couple of multi-ton generators with thousands of gallons of flammable fuel in a terrorist target with zero budget (hospitals are not where medical profits go). Oh and do it in 20 months....


It's not just that.
How do you take the wing you are working on out of commission when you have to keep the beds full.

There's a lot of factors to be considered when you are dealing with a Hospital. They all cost money, and that's the one thing you don't have much of for renovations.
 
2012-10-30 02:12:43 AM  
Having to abandon the hospital, I have to say is up there with other worst case scenarios, much like abandoning ship.

Unfortunately some critical patients will really be affected, some must be in no condition to drive around the city.

Lets hope for a miracle and hope for the best.
 
2012-10-30 02:12:52 AM  

Virtual Pariah: davidphogan: I love my local news. "There are more people without power than LIVE IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF OREGON!"

I thought we measured things the Rhode Islands as a national standard?

Only in terms of distance.
Population counts tend to be compared to flyover country.


I'm just always annoyed by how everything has to be Portland-centric on our local news. This is awesome, now they've left a live mic on the anchor.
 
2012-10-30 02:13:00 AM  

Genevieve Marie: quickdraw: It wasnt the generators - its the fuel.


Heard. Rest of it still applies  though. Along with an added admonishment that in times of major chaos, immediately rushing to blame is generally very unhelpful and unproductive.


Oh absolutely. Too me its a sign of immaturity and naivete'. Some people would rather blame others than see the world how it is. Full of unpreventable tragedies.
 
2012-10-30 02:13:30 AM  

Yoyo: Apparently not any spare generators or fuel cans.


You've never had a generator get contaminated with water, have you?

parahaps: Zeppelins.


AH HA! But what do you do when the Red Baron attacks?
 
2012-10-30 02:13:32 AM  
Holy crap!
ConEd explosion

Link
 
2012-10-30 02:13:40 AM  
Hah... "What's going on, who am I waiting for?" "Oh, really? We're doing that?" "Sure, okay, oh, hey turn that off."
 
2012-10-30 02:13:52 AM  

Infobahn: I had one of those kids (he is 10 now), and this would scare the fark out of me.


Well this will chill you to the bone: CNN was just talking about it: due to communication problems, NYU staff can't even call parents on an official line and tell them where the child is going or that they are being moved. They have to evacuated them and the receiving hospital has to call them.

Overall it sounds like NYU had a perfectly acceptable Emergency Management plan in place, but this just overwhelmed it on every front.
 
2012-10-30 02:13:54 AM  

Yoyo: Bonanza Jellybean: xl5150: That's what you get for not being prepared.

/there are these things called backup generators
//novel concept, I know

The did have backup generators, but the story is that unexpectedly high water levels ruined their deisel(sic.) supply.

I was going to guess that the starter batteries were dead or the oil levels were too low due to lack of preventive maintenance. Who doesn't make a fluid tight fuel tank? Seriously. And so what if the flood water levels are 4 feet higher than record. Why can't they just put the generators on the roof with the HVAC equipment?


You're farking kidding, right?

Not a single fuel tank you're likely to find is 100% fluid-tight. They're top-vented by design. They are designed to flow liquid from the tank to the engine - this requires management of the vacuum, to ensure that it doesn't become too strong, which reduces flow. Water gets in through the breather. Bam. Mayonnaise. Fouled system.

You can't fully seal a fuel delivery system. If you do, the engine will choke out within seconds.
 
2012-10-30 02:14:44 AM  
Southern coast of Long Island has been hit pretty hard too, from what I'm hearing. My grandparents in Lindenhurst unfortunately live right between a canal and a marina, and their neighborhood is swamped.
 
2012-10-30 02:15:06 AM  

relcec: and totally unforeseeable that water is effected by gravity and thus loves basements


The issue may not be the fuel tanks, could be something else. Hell it could be that whatever caused the water to get in the fuel may be do to an issue not even on the hospital grounds.
 
2012-10-30 02:15:58 AM  
I think the idea of calling this a worst case scenario is to fail but not lose; if you start including the apocalypse and zombie death as worst case scenario - you are likely to go insane. Every day I think the worse case scenario is I might, might get rear-ended - because if I thought of all the ways I could die just walking out the door, I'll curl up in a ball and rock myself to death.
 
2012-10-30 02:16:02 AM  

Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.


I think you guys are conflating "a really serious and dangerous scenario" with "worst case scenario".

Given this weather system there are perfectly plausible situations far worse than this. It would be distasteful at this time to speculate what they would be specifically but they are obviously there.
 
2012-10-30 02:16:56 AM  

relcec: that settles it. it's impossible to move fuel to safer confines. impossible. and totally unforeseeable that water is effected by gravity and thus loves basements. this event was absolutely impossible to prepare for.


Yes sadly. This is the case. It is not possible to make everyone safe in all situations. Sometimes people have to make difficult choices and sometimes there are simply no choices to be made.
 
2012-10-30 02:17:12 AM  

pissedoffmick: this thread?


just to save you trouble, you can extend that to any thread he's posted in.
 
2012-10-30 02:17:16 AM  
FDNY Swiftwater Rescue Team

jems.comView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 02:17:20 AM  

robodog: relcec: thought it was obvious that life and death infrastructure near major large bodies of water and near said body of water's waterline needed to rethink leaving the backup generators in the basement after the japanese tsunami. they've had 20 months. if people die to this neglect, there should be serious repercussions.

LOL, yeah you go ahead an re-engineer the roof of the building to accept a couple of multi-ton generators with thousands of gallons of flammable fuel in a terrorist target with zero budget (hospitals are not where medical profits go). Oh and do it in 20 months....


no budget? you think NYU medical has no money? and even if they didn't, which is ridiculous, that this is an excuse? *it was expensive to save maybe hundreds of lives to mitigate a risk that was statistically guaranteed to eventually happen* is your rejoinder? and why the hell would it have to go on the roof? how about just not below sea level?
 
2012-10-30 02:17:21 AM  

Lachwen: Curse you. This is heartbreaking to listen to. I keep hearing truck after truck reporting that the roads are impassible and they can't reach the calls.


I stopped listening a half hour or so ago when they said that they had a structure fire with people trapped in the attic.
 
2012-10-30 02:18:08 AM  

Suicide of a Phoenix: Holy crap!
ConEd explosion

Link


Damn, it's like a dimensional portal is being opened or something. That must have been extremely frightening to see in person.
 
2012-10-30 02:18:33 AM  

Suicide of a Phoenix: fire details: (from NY Times)
Three-Alarm Fire in the Rockaways
More than 140 firefighters were battling a three-alarm fire that broke out just after 11 p.m. on Monday in Breezy Point, Queens, a small beach community in the Rockaways that has experienced severe flooding from the storm.

"It's a huge fire - a lot of houses involved," said Firefighter Michael Parrella, a spokesman for the department, adding that the area was "probably the most flooded part of the city so there are all sorts of complications."

The fire, which affected a number of tightly packed homes, was not yet under control early Tuesday morning, he said.


They upgraded it to a 4 alarm and they're trying to get military vehicles to transport firefighters to the fire because FDNY vehicles can't get through the flooding.
 
2012-10-30 02:18:54 AM  

BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: And yet it's not the worst case scenario...

Absent of a building collapse killing them, yeah it is. It's not as simple as hooking an adult up to a BVM and bagging them until the power comes back on.


Your passion for the topic is blinding you to the matters at hand. Either take a step back and reread, or find someone else to preach to about the needs of children.

/family is involved with CMH in Chicago
//I fully understand the logistics involved with relocating patients, and the severity of the situation
///still not the worst case scenario
 
2012-10-30 02:19:06 AM  

seventypercent: Lachwen: Curse you. This is heartbreaking to listen to. I keep hearing truck after truck reporting that the roads are impassible and they can't reach the calls.

I stopped listening a half hour or so ago when they said that they had a structure fire with people trapped in the attic.


Gahhhh, now that sounds Katrina-ish
 
2012-10-30 02:19:35 AM  

relcec: no budget? you think NYU medical has no money? and even if they didn't, which is ridiculous, that this is an excuse? *it was expensive to save maybe hundreds of lives to mitigate a risk that was statistically guaranteed to eventually happen* is your rejoinder? and why the hell would it have to go on the roof? how about just not below sea level?


Not expensive. Simply not possible or too dangerous.
 
2012-10-30 02:19:44 AM  

relcec: you think NYU medical has no money?


You cant really make a roof stronger than it is in a building like a hospital once it's built. So the roof is right out. Any other locations could involve tens of millions of dollars in construction. And while the hospital has the money for its operations, hospitals don't generally have building funds set aside for major alterations.
 
2012-10-30 02:20:07 AM  

doglover: Generators are heavy. "You want one up there, YOU carry it." was probably said at some point during the planning phase.


Indeed they are heavy, about 6 tons for a 400 kW unit. (I'm guessing here because our scale and helos topped out at 10k capacity.) I used a 21 ton crane the last time I needed to lift big generators. Maybe the hospital people could have used the construction crane that was on site when the place was built or rented a crane when it was time to upgrade the generators.
 
2012-10-30 02:20:46 AM  
New York is the biggest attention whore ever
 
2012-10-30 02:20:56 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: And yet it's not the worst case scenario...

Absent of a building collapse killing them, yeah it is. It's not as simple as hooking an adult up to a BVM and bagging them until the power comes back on.

Your passion for the topic is blinding you to the matters at hand. Either take a step back and reread, or find someone else to preach to about the needs of children.

/family is involved with CMH in Chicago
//I fully understand the logistics involved with relocating patients, and the severity of the situation
///still not the worst case scenario


It is certainly a worst case scenario for that hospital in this situation. Yes Im sure a meteor slamming into it would be worse.
 
2012-10-30 02:21:03 AM  
I wonder how earthquake-proof xl5150's house is. The way he talks, it had better be perfect.

After all, he's had millions of years to prepare.
 
2012-10-30 02:21:15 AM  
Read this thread looking for any updates on the situation. Some of these comments low, even by Fark Politics standards.

Hope they are able to get everyone out and bring them to a safer location. Patients feel vulnurable enough, this must be terrifying for them.
 
2012-10-30 02:21:29 AM  

Seige101: Smeggy Smurf: Typically backup generators fail when the fuel supply is disrupted. Building codes don't allow for the diesel to be stored inside the building without extraordinary measure being taken. Those measures are always cost prohibitive. So the fuel will most likely be in some sort of underground cistern. The likely source of the power failure is the pumps for the generators have been damaged.

There really is no good solution to the problem with current technology. I wish there was but that's not in the foreseeable future.

/architect

How about a propane or natural gas generator?


Neither are stable for long term storage and are highly reactive. You can cause an explosion with either of those fuels with a simple industrial accident. Diesel on the other hand is difficult to ignite in such a manner.

If you're really interested in fuels storage I'd recommend you spend some time researching aviation fuel farms. Most of what I deal with are 500 gallon storage tanks for grocery stores.
 
2012-10-30 02:21:35 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: And yet it's not the worst case scenario...

Absent of a building collapse killing them, yeah it is. It's not as simple as hooking an adult up to a BVM and bagging them until the power comes back on.

Your passion for the topic is blinding you to the matters at hand. Either take a step back and reread, or find someone else to preach to about the needs of children.


Completely agreed. For example, if instead of water the NICU was flooded with AIDS infected diarrhea, that would be at least a few degrees worse. So, bronymedic, you should stop thinking about the children.

And think about the diarrhea, I presume.
 
2012-10-30 02:22:04 AM  

WhyteRaven74: pissedoffmick: this thread?

just to save you trouble, you can extend that to any thread he's posted in.


Noted - thanks. I remember you from a lot of years ago - 2003ish? Anyway, nice to see you are still here too.
 
2012-10-30 02:22:07 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: /family is involved with CMH in Chicago
//I fully understand the logistics involved with relocating patients, and the severity of the situation
///still not the worst case scenario


Exactly. The worst case is all this that happened, and they can't get people out. While it's dangerous, these people are movable and they had the ability to do it safely. They just don't want to do it if they don't have to. But they did have to, so they did.
 
2012-10-30 02:22:21 AM  

rhodabear: Read this thread looking for any updates on the situation. Some of these comments low, even by Fark Politics standards.

Hope they are able to get everyone out and bring them to a safer location. Patients feel vulnurable enough, this must be terrifying for them.


I just keep thinking of those poor kids

welcome to the world and good luck :(
 
2012-10-30 02:22:25 AM  

quickdraw: Seige101: Smeggy Smurf: Typically backup generators fail when the fuel supply is disrupted. Building codes don't allow for the diesel to be stored inside the building without extraordinary measure being taken. Those measures are always cost prohibitive. So the fuel will most likely be in some sort of underground cistern. The likely source of the power failure is the pumps for the generators have been damaged.

There really is no good solution to the problem with current technology. I wish there was but that's not in the foreseeable future.

/architect

How about a propane or natural gas generator?

Propane is a tricky gas - not at all stable. Natural gas is even worse. Diesel is the most stable which is why they use it for emergencies.


And much higher energy density. Longer run-time.
 
2012-10-30 02:22:29 AM  
: Suicide of a Phoenix:
ConEd explosion



And now that I look at it more, what's affecting the camera?
At 0:25 and 3:12 there's a weird warping of the of the image. That can't be a shock wave, can it?
 
2012-10-30 02:22:51 AM  
25.media.tumblr.comView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 02:23:06 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: And yet it's not the worst case scenario...

Absent of a building collapse killing them, yeah it is. It's not as simple as hooking an adult up to a BVM and bagging them until the power comes back on.

Your passion for the topic is blinding you to the matters at hand. Either take a step back and reread, or find someone else to preach to about the needs of children.

/family is involved with CMH in Chicago
//I fully understand the logistics involved with relocating patients, and the severity of the situation
///still not the worst case scenario


Yes. I'm sure that the Statue of Liberty awakening and turning out to be a gigantic weeping angel could be worse. Or YHVH appearing in all his glory and smiting the building with the mighty hammer of Thor's cock.

I get that.

What I'm saying is, for those patients, it IS the worst case scenario. These are patients for which it's life-threatening to even move them down the elevator into the X-ray suite. And as for my passion blinding me? Dude, I work with NICU transports. These babies don't take stimulation well - they tend to clamp up, brady down, and die with it.
 
2012-10-30 02:23:32 AM  

WhyteRaven74: relcec: you think NYU medical has no money?

You cant really make a roof stronger than it is in a building like a hospital once it's built. So the roof is right out. Any other locations could involve tens of millions of dollars in construction. And while the hospital has the money for its operations, hospitals don't generally have building funds set aside for major alterations.



He obviously has no understanding of fire codes etc. Most fuel tanks are outside the building due to fire code reasons. If the fuel gets contaminated with water, you are farked. We have a Generator on the 8th floor of out building, in the mechanical penthouse. The fuel is in a bunker outside at the back of the building due to fire code. It's pumped up to the penthouse.
 
2012-10-30 02:23:55 AM  

WhyteRaven74: relcec: you think NYU medical has no money?

You cant really make a roof stronger than it is in a building like a hospital once it's built. So the roof is right out. Any other locations could involve tens of millions of dollars in construction. And while the hospital has the money for its operations, hospitals don't generally have building funds set aside for major alterations.


Well actually. No. It isnt the weight. Its the tendency of diesel tanks to explode that are the issue.

So lets think this through. Would you recommend lifting diesel tanks with a giant crane however many feet in the air so that you could put them on a roof just in advance of a hurricane?
 
2012-10-30 02:24:11 AM  

DON.MAC: Emposter: How do you not check to make sure your emergency generators work before a blizzardcanepocalypse?

A friend deals with data centers in Kansas City. Many of them have generators that get test started using mains power and their battery backup starter was never tested or someone stole the car battery needed to start the things once main power was lost.


Hospitals are required to check emergency generators weekly actually with the results logged. They have to be started and the power transfered from main to generator power using the automatic switchgear. This did play havoc with IS (IT) until we put in a flywheel type of stopgap power supply which tranferred power quickly enough. Testing also tripped elevators offline about 1'4 of the time, which is a pain in the ass. Before testing each week in the middle of the goddamned night we informed the head nurse and asked permission from OR. No tests while surgery was being performed or expected soon for obvious reasons. So NYU probably had working ready generators ready before this happened

But if you get water in the switchgear or generator rooms you are screwed. And they love putting switchgear in basements connected by tunnels or tiny hallways where its quiet and away from real people having to see dirty subhuman maintenance people. Which sucks during floods.
 
2012-10-30 02:24:12 AM  

Omahawg: rhodabear: Read this thread looking for any updates on the situation. Some of these comments low, even by Fark Politics standards.

Hope they are able to get everyone out and bring them to a safer location. Patients feel vulnurable enough, this must be terrifying for them.

I just keep thinking of those poor kids

welcome to the world and good luck :(


It's pretty depressing that some people are actually like that. Kind of makes you lose faith in humanity.
 
2012-10-30 02:24:42 AM  

quickdraw: relcec: that settles it. it's impossible to move fuel to safer confines. impossible. and totally unforeseeable that water is effected by gravity and thus loves basements. this event was absolutely impossible to prepare for.

Yes sadly. This is the case. It is not possible to make everyone safe in all situations. Sometimes people have to make difficult choices and sometimes there are simply no choices to be made.



you are saying making sure the few dozen redundant systems (that happen to support vital life and death infrastructure in a community [Manhattan] where the property is worth 1 $trillion in the aggregate, and that is right above sea level and right next to the atlantic ocean) can actually perform offers way to low in the way of marginal utility to be considered a worthwhile the investment?
this isn't spending billions to save your 16 year old dogs life for a few months.
 
2012-10-30 02:24:55 AM  

BronyMedic: they tend to clamp up, brady down, and die with it.


24.media.tumblr.comView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 02:25:44 AM  

BronyMedic: You've never had a generator get contaminated with water, have you?


No, I haven't. As many stupid things that the military does, we're smart enough to buy generators that are water resistant. They even work outdoors in the rain and mud. And for the critical ones, we take the belt-and-suspenders route and put them on blocks and under roofs. (We also put our hospitals on high ground.)
 
2012-10-30 02:25:49 AM  

relcec: quickdraw: relcec: that settles it. it's impossible to move fuel to safer confines. impossible. and totally unforeseeable that water is effected by gravity and thus loves basements. this event was absolutely impossible to prepare for.

Yes sadly. This is the case. It is not possible to make everyone safe in all situations. Sometimes people have to make difficult choices and sometimes there are simply no choices to be made.


you are saying making sure the few dozen redundant systems (that happen to support vital life and death infrastructure in a community [Manhattan] where the property is worth 1 $trillion in the aggregate, and that is right above sea level and right next to the atlantic ocean) can actually perform offers way to low in the way of marginal utility to be considered a worthwhile the investment?
this isn't spending billions to save your 16 year old dogs life for a few months.


Making assumptions on who to blame without knowing any of the facts behind it is awesome, isn't it?

abagond.files.wordpress.comView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 02:26:09 AM  

sprawl15: Completely agreed. For example, if instead of water the NICU was flooded with AIDS infected diarrhea, that would be at least a few degrees worse


"AIDS-Infected Diarrhea" was the name of my Marilyn Manson tribute band in college. Our opening act was "Basket Full of Puppies", which was an Anthrax tribute band.
 
2012-10-30 02:26:13 AM  

saintstryfe: BronyMedic: they tend to clamp up, brady down, and die with it.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 641x700]

/thread
 
2012-10-30 02:26:21 AM  
Anyway, what is the status of the transferred patients? Have all been transferred successfully?
 
2012-10-30 02:26:45 AM  

quickdraw: relcec: no budget? you think NYU medical has no money? and even if they didn't, which is ridiculous, that this is an excuse? *it was expensive to save maybe hundreds of lives to mitigate a risk that was statistically guaranteed to eventually happen* is your rejoinder? and why the hell would it have to go on the roof? how about just not below sea level?

Not expensive. Simply not possible or too dangerous.


again with the impossible.
 
2012-10-30 02:27:01 AM  

MisterTweak: pxlboy: Evacuated to where, exactly?

Mt. Sinai, Columbia, HSS, Doctors, St. Vincents....


I think Saint Vinny's closed last year-mom went to nursing school there in 1960 and the alumns had a memorial dinner
 
2012-10-30 02:27:06 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: : Suicide of a Phoenix:
ConEd explosion

And now that I look at it more, what's affecting the camera?
At 0:25 and 3:12 there's a weird warping of the of the image. That can't be a shock wave, can it?


Its autofocus is being farked with by the flare, is all.
 
2012-10-30 02:27:07 AM  

Yoyo: No, I haven't. As many stupid things that the military does, we're smart enough to buy generators that are water resistant. They even work outdoors in the rain and mud. And for the critical ones, we take the belt-and-suspenders route and put them on blocks and under roofs. (We also put our hospitals on high ground.)


You also don't have things like city ordinances, building codes, OSHA requirements, and federal/state laws to deal with, do you?

And it doesn't matter how "water resistant" that generator is. Get water in the fuel supply and in the crank case. Last I checked, they didn't work underwater either.
 
2012-10-30 02:27:12 AM  

change1211: Omahawg: rhodabear: Read this thread looking for any updates on the situation. Some of these comments low, even by Fark Politics standards.

Hope they are able to get everyone out and bring them to a safer location. Patients feel vulnurable enough, this must be terrifying for them.

I just keep thinking of those poor kids

welcome to the world and good luck :(

It's pretty depressing that some people are actually like that. Kind of makes you lose faith in humanity.


You should have been here for the threads on the Central Texas fires.
 
2012-10-30 02:27:34 AM  
To lighten the mood slightly, current Onion headlines:

Hurricane Gives Holed-Up Couple Great Chance To Have All Those Fights They've Been Avoiding

Misinformed Man Riding Out Storm In Bathtub Filled With Batteries

20 Idiots Evacuated From Times Square M&M's Store

And of course:
Ways To Wait Out Hurricane Sandy

With Hurricane Sandy shuttering schools, businesses, and transit services up and down the East Coast, tens of millions of Americans have been left to wait out the storm indoors. Here are some ways you and your family can occupy your time until the weather passes:

Refer to FEMA's Official Indoor Fun Guide for emergency game ideas
Sit on your legs until they both fall asleep, and then try to get up and walk to another room; repeat this 400 times
See how much loud clapping you can accomplish before man in next emergency cot gets angry
Remember favorite memories
Start planning your hurricane story now so you'll be able to one-up your friends' stories
Tweet something cute or clever about storm. In event of power or Internet loss, just shout 140-character comments out window
In moment of storm-induced panic, kiss roommate; never discuss
Take a shiat right in the middle of Times Square; it's your only chance
 
2012-10-30 02:28:31 AM  

relcec: quickdraw: relcec: that settles it. it's impossible to move fuel to safer confines. impossible. and totally unforeseeable that water is effected by gravity and thus loves basements. this event was absolutely impossible to prepare for.

Yes sadly. This is the case. It is not possible to make everyone safe in all situations. Sometimes people have to make difficult choices and sometimes there are simply no choices to be made.


you are saying making sure the few dozen redundant systems (that happen to support vital life and death infrastructure in a community [Manhattan] where the property is worth 1 $trillion in the aggregate, and that is right above sea level and right next to the atlantic ocean) can actually perform offers way to low in the way of marginal utility to be considered a worthwhile the investment?
this isn't spending billions to save your 16 year old dogs life for a few months.


No I am saying that there are some problems (many really) that all the money in the world can't fix. Problems that are nuanced and complex with very high stakes are often not solved by throwing money at them.
 
2012-10-30 02:28:42 AM  
holy fark this thread is like 50% arguments over semantics!
What the hell is wrong with you people?!

Hope the evac goes well. :/
 
2012-10-30 02:28:51 AM  

China White Tea:
Its autofocus is being farked with by the flare, is all.


Oh alright. That would have been cool. I guess real cities have fancy cameras like that.
Thanks.
 
2012-10-30 02:28:56 AM  

BronyMedic: relcec: quickdraw: relcec: that settles it. it's impossible to move fuel to safer confines. impossible. and totally unforeseeable that water is effected by gravity and thus loves basements. this event was absolutely impossible to prepare for.

Yes sadly. This is the case. It is not possible to make everyone safe in all situations. Sometimes people have to make difficult choices and sometimes there are simply no choices to be made.


you are saying making sure the few dozen redundant systems (that happen to support vital life and death infrastructure in a community [Manhattan] where the property is worth 1 $trillion in the aggregate, and that is right above sea level and right next to the atlantic ocean) can actually perform offers way to low in the way of marginal utility to be considered a worthwhile the investment?
this isn't spending billions to save your 16 year old dogs life for a few months.

Making assumptions on who to blame without knowing any of the facts behind it is awesome, isn't it?


the people to blame are the folks that were put in charge of disaster preparedness of that hospital after 9/11 or the higher ups who refused to take their recommendations on making the power supply safer if they were made aware of the danger. that's not an assumption, that's common sense.
 
2012-10-30 02:29:08 AM  

pissedoffmick: I remember you from a lot of years ago - 2003ish?


actually a couple years after that :)

quickdraw: Well actually. No. It isnt the weight. Its the tendency of diesel tanks to explode that are the issue.


Well that too, but the roof wasn't designed to have two six ton generators on it so even omitting the fuel issue, as a structural matter the roof is out.

canwolfshadow: He obviously has no understanding of fire codes etc

FTFY ;)

 
2012-10-30 02:29:23 AM  

wickedragon: holy fark this thread is like 50% arguments over semantics!
What the hell is wrong with you people?!

Hope the evac goes well. :/


i1097.photobucket.comView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 02:29:30 AM  

wickedragon: holy fark this thread is like 50% arguments over semantics!
What the hell is wrong with you people?!

Hope the evac goes well. :/


No it's not! It's an argument over idiomatic language!
 
2012-10-30 02:29:30 AM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: Anyway, what is the status of the transferred patients? Have all been transferred successfully?


NYU website is down and wont load for me.

As of two hours ago, they had gotten 215 of the almost 800 patients out. So Assuming that it's a hundred an hour, I'd say they're 50% there.
 
2012-10-30 02:30:14 AM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: I'm a lot more concerned about the out-of-control Queens fire.


Source? Can't find any information.
 
2012-10-30 02:30:17 AM  

parahaps: saintstryfe: BronyMedic: they tend to clamp up, brady down, and die with it.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 641x700]
/thread


I've been a farker for just shy of 10 years and never got a /thread before in all my time. I'm humbled.

Magorn: I think Saint Vinny's closed last year-mom went to nursing school there in 1960 and the alumns had a memorial dinner


Yep - I went to Pratt Manhattan and that was our hospital. A lot of us LIS students went to help get records/archives/artifacts ready to be moved.

themeaningoflifeisnot: Anyway, what is the status of the transferred patients? Have all been transferred successfully?


Some are still being moved - it should be done by 5 AM according to what I've heard.
 
2012-10-30 02:30:18 AM  

Yoyo: BronyMedic: You've never had a generator get contaminated with water, have you?

No, I haven't. As many stupid things that the military does, we're smart enough to buy generators that are water resistant. They even work outdoors in the rain and mud. And for the critical ones, we take the belt-and-suspenders route and put them on blocks and under roofs. (We also put our hospitals on high ground.)


I'll make sure your comments are taken under advisement when the Army Corp redesign and rebuild Manhattan.

/yes, I'm laughing at you
 
2012-10-30 02:30:46 AM  

relcec: quickdraw: relcec: no budget? you think NYU medical has no money? and even if they didn't, which is ridiculous, that this is an excuse? *it was expensive to save maybe hundreds of lives to mitigate a risk that was statistically guaranteed to eventually happen* is your rejoinder? and why the hell would it have to go on the roof? how about just not below sea level?

Not expensive. Simply not possible or too dangerous.

again with the impossible.


Now you are getting it. The world is a complicated dangerous place and we can't always make things the way we would like them to be. Accepting this is part of being a mature adult.
 
2012-10-30 02:31:31 AM  

Somacandra: themeaningoflifeisnot: I'm a lot more concerned about the out-of-control Queens fire.

Source? Can't find any information.


FDNY and EMS channel feeds and FDNY twitter and ABC live blog.
 
2012-10-30 02:31:44 AM  

relcec: he people to blame are the folks that were put in charge of disaster preparedness of that hospital after 9/11 or the higher ups who refused to take their recommendations on making the power supply safer if they were made aware of the danger. that's not an assumption, that's common sense.


Of course that's what they did. Would you like to cite the report which states that?

Oh, what's that? You don't have that report? You're just pulling it out of your ass? Kinda like the assumption that any contingency can be planned for and mitigated against?

playthisthing.comView Full Size


Also known as Murphy's Law.
 
2012-10-30 02:32:21 AM  

saintstryfe: lecavalier: xl5150: BronyMedic: Bad, bad shiat is going down in New York, folks.

Boo-hoo. It's hard to feel bad for them when simple planning ahead on their part would have avoided such a situation.

I've been really, really critical of the way we have acted in Westchester County because there isn't dick going on up here beyond some minor inconveniences, but in the city? LOL, that is a whole other thing and you are an idiot to think otherwise.

Agreed. I'm in Ulster, about 30 minutes north of Westchester by the Thruway, and we haven't had anything but a bad rainstorm. Our last bad rainstorm in September three big limbs came down - no such problems this time (that I can see with a flashlight). The storms path basically hooked directly around us.

All I know is everyone here is on call to our various professions - I'm a Librarian, and going down to offer assistance to any RM or archival store that is in serious disaster mode, and my older brother is a Master Electrician, he's going to be down there sorting wire very soon.


Noble cause and all, but you should stay where you are. The last thing they need is non-critical personnel clogging up the roads/trains while they deal with actual emergencies.
 
2012-10-30 02:32:22 AM  

Smeggy Smurf:

Neither are stable for long term storage and are highly reactive. You can cause an explosion with either of those fuels with a simple industrial accident. Diesel on the other hand is difficult to ignite in such a manner.

If you're really interested in fuels storage I'd recommend you spend some time researching aviation fuel farms. Most of what I deal with are 500 gallon storage tanks for grocery stores.


Thanks for the info. I am an electrician i usually only deal with small scale systems mainly residential 10-20k propane/nat gas systems or portable generators and transfer panels. Did do 2 sewage pump stations many years ago with 40 and 60kw diesel and kerosene
 
2012-10-30 02:32:42 AM  

Yoyo: we're smart enough to buy generators that are water resistant. T


The problem isn't the generators, it's the fuel supply.

relcec: the people to blame are the folks that were put in charge of disaster preparedness of that hospital after 9/11 or the higher ups who refused to take their recommendations on making the power supply safer if they were made aware of the danger.


So you have a copy of their disaster plans and full engineering drawings for their back up systems?
 
2012-10-30 02:33:12 AM  

quickdraw: relcec: quickdraw: relcec: that settles it. it's impossible to move fuel to safer confines. impossible. and totally unforeseeable that water is effected by gravity and thus loves basements. this event was absolutely impossible to prepare for.

Yes sadly. This is the case. It is not possible to make everyone safe in all situations. Sometimes people have to make difficult choices and sometimes there are simply no choices to be made.


you are saying making sure the few dozen redundant systems (that happen to support vital life and death infrastructure in a community [Manhattan] where the property is worth 1 $trillion in the aggregate, and that is right above sea level and right next to the atlantic ocean) can actually perform offers way to low in the way of marginal utility to be considered a worthwhile the investment?
this isn't spending billions to save your 16 year old dogs life for a few months.

No I am saying that there are some problems (many really) that all the money in the world can't fix. Problems that are nuanced and complex with very high stakes are often not solved by throwing money at them.


and one intractable problem is moving generators and fuel higher up? we're not talking about going to alpha cenuari. how much you want to bet japan managed to move shiat out of the basements and a story up? how much?
 
2012-10-30 02:33:19 AM  

BronyMedic: Also known as Murphy's Law.


Nah, Murphy's Law is a design principle; people will be as stupid as you let them, so design accordingly.
 
2012-10-30 02:34:05 AM  

saintstryfe: lecavalier: xl5150: BronyMedic: Bad, bad shiat is going down in New York, folks.

Boo-hoo. It's hard to feel bad for them when simple planning ahead on their part would have avoided such a situation.

I've been really, really critical of the way we have acted in Westchester County because there isn't dick going on up here beyond some minor inconveniences, but in the city? LOL, that is a whole other thing and you are an idiot to think otherwise.

Agreed. I'm in Ulster, about 30 minutes north of Westchester by the Thruway, and we haven't had anything but a bad rainstorm. Our last bad rainstorm in September three big limbs came down - no such problems this time (that I can see with a flashlight). The storms path basically hooked directly around us.

All I know is everyone here is on call to our various professions - I'm a Librarian, and going down to offer assistance to any RM or archival store that is in serious disaster mode, and my older brother is a Master Electrician, he's going to be down there sorting wire very soon.


Don't. Stay in place. The last thing they need are people who are not expected, or prepared to be self sufficient, rushing in to help at the moment. You need to shelter in place until the situation is safe.
 
2012-10-30 02:34:48 AM  

BronyMedic: themeaningoflifeisnot: Anyway, what is the status of the transferred patients? Have all been transferred successfully?

NYU website is down and wont load for me.

As of two hours ago, they had gotten 215 of the almost 800 patients out. So Assuming that it's a hundred an hour, I'd say they're 50% there.


Are they evacuating all the patients? I read reports that they were evacuating only about 200 of them.
 
2012-10-30 02:34:56 AM  

relcec: how much you want to bet japan managed to move shiat out of the basements and a story up?


For example:
i.imgur.comView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 02:35:03 AM  

keytronic: I beg you. If you have any sway at all over the Romney campaign. Get them to try to call this Obama's Katrina. Please, think of all the votes Romney will earn for himself if, in the middle of a crisis, he calls a press conference, pretends to care about all the suffering newborns, blames Obama, then smirks.


I don't think Romney's people are dumb enough to rise to the bait, but I'm certain this will be all over Fox News tomorrow. Clearly, this is proof that Obama has failed as President.
 
2012-10-30 02:35:07 AM  
this thread has rapidly become two bald old men, knee high in shiat fighting over a plunger.
 
2012-10-30 02:36:19 AM  

relcec: and one intractable problem is moving generators and fuel higher up?


Yes it is. I know it frightens you to realize that some problems cannot be fixed.
 
2012-10-30 02:36:22 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: this thread has rapidly become two bald old men, knee high in shiat fighting over a plunger.


if the plunger was elevated in the first place, it wouldn't have come to blows
 
2012-10-30 02:36:28 AM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: Are they evacuating all the patients? I read reports that they were evacuating only about 200 of them.


My understanding is they're undertaking a general evacuation based on the comments on Paramedics on Facebook and JEMS' facebook page.
 
2012-10-30 02:36:51 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: this thread has rapidly become two bald old men, knee high in shiat fighting over a plunger.


I laughed.
 
2012-10-30 02:37:28 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: this thread has rapidly become two bald old men, knee high in shiat fighting over a plunger.


Meh. you haven't been here long enough to see a real Fark shiatstorm. The threads during and after Katrina were particularly bad.
 
2012-10-30 02:38:59 AM  

BronyMedic: themeaningoflifeisnot: Anyway, what is the status of the transferred patients? Have all been transferred successfully?

NYU website is down and wont load for me.

As of two hours ago, they had gotten 215 of the almost 800 patients out. So Assuming that it's a hundred an hour, I'd say they're 50% there.


Thats pretty good. That is probably most if not all of the ones whose life was in immediate danger if NYU has a typical trauma center percentage of patients. Not that all of them dont need a better place to be. But most patients wouldnt be in instant danger when the lights went out. NICU SICU PACU OR some ER and maternity ward patients would need all the help possible fast. Most of the rest would need to be calmed reassured and helped through this, but they arent in such dire immediate need.
 
2012-10-30 02:39:11 AM  

BronyMedic: What I'm saying is, for those patients, it IS the worst case scenario. These are patients for which it's life-threatening to even move them down the elevator into the X-ray suite. And as for my passion blinding me? Dude, I work with NICU transports. These babies don't take stimulation well - they tend to clamp up, brady down, and die with it.



If I never get the chance to say this I'm saying it now. Thank you for what you do. Its people like you that saved my friend's daughter's life when she was born from a uterine infection on the razor's edge of viability.
 
2012-10-30 02:39:38 AM  

BronyMedic: themeaningoflifeisnot: Are they evacuating all the patients? I read reports that they were evacuating only about 200 of them.

My understanding is they're undertaking a general evacuation based on the comments on Paramedics on Facebook and JEMS' facebook page.


Makes sense if the entire hospital is without power.
 
2012-10-30 02:39:46 AM  

Kuroshin: quickdraw: Propane is a tricky gas - not at all stable. Natural gas is even worse. Diesel is the most stable which is why they use it for emergencies.

And much higher energy density. Longer run-time.


Sure, but natural gas can be delivered as needed by the city wide distribution system, so there is no storage needed. Was there an earthquake along with the flood that I haven't heard about?
 
2012-10-30 02:40:10 AM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.netView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 02:40:58 AM  

Somacandra: f I never get the chance to say this I'm saying it now. Thank you for what you do. Its people like you that saved my friend's daughter's life when she was born from a uterine infection on the razor's edge of viability.


I appreciate it, but please don't thank me, some random guy posting on fark who's off work for a bad case of Bronchitis. Thank those guys down there in the muck right now.
 
2012-10-30 02:41:05 AM  

Yoyo: Kuroshin: quickdraw: Propane is a tricky gas - not at all stable. Natural gas is even worse. Diesel is the most stable which is why they use it for emergencies.

And much higher energy density. Longer run-time.

Sure, but natural gas can be delivered as needed by the city wide distribution system, so there is no storage needed. Was there an earthquake along with the flood that I haven't heard about?


That distribution system needs electricity to work.
 
2012-10-30 02:41:19 AM  

doglover: eraser8: Neonatal

WhyteRaven74: Neonatal

BronyMedic: WTF is a NICU, anyway?

Many tanks.

[images.wikia.com image 300x243]


Well technically yes, the Mr. Picky in me wants to say that the US Army designated some of those Scout Cars to get around funding restraints. ;)
 
2012-10-30 02:41:50 AM  

Magorn: MisterTweak: pxlboy: Evacuated to where, exactly?

Mt. Sinai, Columbia, HSS, Doctors, St. Vincents....

I think Saint Vinny's closed last year-mom went to nursing school there in 1960 and the alumns had a memorial dinner


Doh. I forgot. Well, I think we can assume *that* group of patients is going to be pretty pissed when they get booted from an ambulance to the front of a half-built condo. Comment cards will likely not be positive.

/moved away a few years ago
 
2012-10-30 02:42:01 AM  

pissedoffmick: Do you think that a guy named "NYC" owns all the generators? Norton Yancy Chillingworth - generator man.



He wasn't there, but he's certain that they didn't test their generators. He knows this because if a machine worked a few days ago under perfect conditions, there's no possible way it could not be working now in the middle of a storm. Machines don't work one day and then not work later, right? Every machine I've ever used -- especially those gas-burning ones -- work perfectly every single time. Fark, I don't even see mechanic shops anymore, they're so trustworthy and infallible. And if a machine breaks on you, you must be a moron who doesn't know half as much about disasters as a guy living the rough, survivalist lifestyle of Beverly Hills residents.
 
2012-10-30 02:42:06 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: saintstryfe: lecavalier: xl5150: BronyMedic: Bad, bad shiat is going down in New York, folks.

Boo-hoo. It's hard to feel bad for them when simple planning ahead on their part would have avoided such a situation.

I've been really, really critical of the way we have acted in Westchester County because there isn't dick going on up here beyond some minor inconveniences, but in the city? LOL, that is a whole other thing and you are an idiot to think otherwise.

Agreed. I'm in Ulster, about 30 minutes north of Westchester by the Thruway, and we haven't had anything but a bad rainstorm. Our last bad rainstorm in September three big limbs came down - no such problems this time (that I can see with a flashlight). The storms path basically hooked directly around us.

All I know is everyone here is on call to our various professions - I'm a Librarian, and going down to offer assistance to any RM or archival store that is in serious disaster mode, and my older brother is a Master Electrician, he's going to be down there sorting wire very soon.

Noble cause and all, but you should stay where you are. The last thing they need is non-critical personnel clogging up the roads/trains while they deal with actual emergencies.


It's important, don't down play it. The fact is - if it's wet, it has to be taken care of. It's important... it's our records. It's how we research, learn, grow from the past. I'm trained how to do Emergency Recovery and a big part of it is to get out of the more important people's way. Luckily, Librarians and archivists are very talented people and very forward thinking re: emergency management. Getting my MLS we had whole courses just devoted to it.
 
2012-10-30 02:43:06 AM  
The people complaining that they didn't have a disaster plan or have a poor disaster plan are overlooking the extremely obvious point that *this is part of the disaster plan*. Backup generators are the first phase of such a plan but you also have to plan on what to do when those fail for one of any number of reasons. The generators failed and they quickly moved to the next level of a controlled evacuation which, by most accounts, is going rather well. Obviously transporting unstable patients is extremely risky but you have to deal with the situation at hand immediately and worry about pointing fingers at a later date.

No system can ever be 100% reliant, there will be many long investigations into what went wrong and who, if anyone, is to blame, but arguing about such things with no facts and while the situation is still critical is absolutely pointless.
 
2012-10-30 02:43:33 AM  
Why are they letting newborns and children have Taco Bell?
 
2012-10-30 02:44:04 AM  

Yoyo: Bonanza Jellybean: xl5150: That's what you get for not being prepared.

/there are these things called backup generators
//novel concept, I know

The did have backup generators, but the story is that unexpectedly high water levels ruined their deisel(sic.) supply.

I was going to guess that the starter batteries were dead or the oil levels were too low due to lack of preventive maintenance. Who doesn't make a fluid tight fuel tank? Seriously. And so what if the flood water levels are 4 feet higher than record. Why can't they just put the generators on the roof with the HVAC equipment?


Your first two guesses would be wrong because hospitals test their generators every month.
 
2012-10-30 02:44:23 AM  

saintstryfe: It's important, don't down play it. The fact is - if it's wet, it has to be taken care of. It's important... it's our records. It's how we research, learn, grow from the past. I'm trained how to do Emergency Recovery and a big part of it is to get out of the more important people's way. Luckily, Librarians and archivists are very talented people and very forward thinking re: emergency management. Getting my MLS we had whole courses just devoted to it.


I don't doubt that in the least, but you really don't want to get out and start freelancing right now. You actually become an impediment to rescue operations, and a potential victim who needs rescued themselves. It's not just the water, but also what's in it as well. At this point, life safety is going to take major priority over recovery of records.

If you want to help, find out where there's a local shelter or staging area for volunteers open, and if you can make it there safely, do so and volunteer your help.
 
2012-10-30 02:44:26 AM  

saintstryfe: HaywoodJablonski: saintstryfe: lecavalier: xl5150: BronyMedic: Bad, bad shiat is going down in New York, folks.

Boo-hoo. It's hard to feel bad for them when simple planning ahead on their part would have avoided such a situation.

I've been really, really critical of the way we have acted in Westchester County because there isn't dick going on up here beyond some minor inconveniences, but in the city? LOL, that is a whole other thing and you are an idiot to think otherwise.

Agreed. I'm in Ulster, about 30 minutes north of Westchester by the Thruway, and we haven't had anything but a bad rainstorm. Our last bad rainstorm in September three big limbs came down - no such problems this time (that I can see with a flashlight). The storms path basically hooked directly around us.

All I know is everyone here is on call to our various professions - I'm a Librarian, and going down to offer assistance to any RM or archival store that is in serious disaster mode, and my older brother is a Master Electrician, he's going to be down there sorting wire very soon.

Noble cause and all, but you should stay where you are. The last thing they need is non-critical personnel clogging up the roads/trains while they deal with actual emergencies.

It's important, don't down play it. The fact is - if it's wet, it has to be taken care of. It's important... it's our records. It's how we research, learn, grow from the past. I'm trained how to do Emergency Recovery and a big part of it is to get out of the more important people's way. Luckily, Librarians and archivists are very talented people and very forward thinking re: emergency management. Getting my MLS we had whole courses just devoted to it.


Very true.
 
2012-10-30 02:44:36 AM  
The NY Times is reporting that there are only 215 patients at the NYU Med Center and NBC NY is saying only 215 patients will be evacuated. ????
 
2012-10-30 02:44:48 AM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: Somacandra: themeaningoflifeisnot: I'm a lot more concerned about the out-of-control Queens fire.

Source? Can't find any information.

FDNY and EMS channel feeds and FDNY twitter and ABC live blog.


Thanks---found it. Friends in Astoria.
 
2012-10-30 02:45:22 AM  
Could we as a country as least take away the lesson that major population centers SHOULD get priority emergency management funding over corn-based states? This is coming from a guy who LIVES in a corn-based state. If a bomb went off in rural southern Indiana, the world would be out a bomb.

/Stay safe Northeastern folks
 
2012-10-30 02:45:53 AM  

BronyMedic: I appreciate it, but please don't thank me, some random guy posting on fark who's off work for a bad case of Bronchitis. Thank those guys down there in the muck right now.


I can't thank them right now--so you'll have to stand in for them. :-)
 
2012-10-30 02:46:27 AM  

Seige101: How about a propane or natural gas generator?


Approves
theredshtick.comView Full Size
 
2012-10-30 02:46:38 AM  

Medic Zero: Your first two guesses would be wrong because hospitals test their generators every month.


Every week by law here
 
2012-10-30 02:46:42 AM  

BronyMedic: saintstryfe: lecavalier: xl5150: BronyMedic: Bad, bad shiat is going down in New York, folks.

Boo-hoo. It's hard to feel bad for them when simple planning ahead on their part would have avoided such a situation.

I've been really, really critical of the way we have acted in Westchester County because there isn't dick going on up here beyond some minor inconveniences, but in the city? LOL, that is a whole other thing and you are an idiot to think otherwise.

Agreed. I'm in Ulster, about 30 minutes north of Westchester by the Thruway, and we haven't had anything but a bad rainstorm. Our last bad rainstorm in September three big limbs came down - no such problems this time (that I can see with a flashlight). The storms path basically hooked directly around us.

All I know is everyone here is on call to our various professions - I'm a Librarian, and going down to offer assistance to any RM or archival store that is in serious disaster mode, and my older brother is a Master Electrician, he's going to be down there sorting wire very soon.

Don't. Stay in place. The last thing they need are people who are not expected, or prepared to be self sufficient, rushing in to help at the moment. You need to shelter in place until the situation is safe.


Don't worry - I'm not moving until I get an all-clear. I do gotta go to work tomorrow, after all. Higher callings are only to be answered once Earthly matters are met.
 
2012-10-30 02:47:55 AM  

saintstryfe: It's important, don't down play it. The fact is - if it's wet, it has to be taken care of. It's important... it's our records. It's how we research, learn, grow from the past. I'm trained how to do Emergency Recovery and a big part of it is to get out of the more important people's way. Luckily, Librarians and archivists are very talented people and very forward thinking re: emergency management. Getting my MLS we had whole courses just devoted to it.


If you do go, check the smaller museums and archives. The big boys are well-prepared, but the small places often aren't.

(The Morgan spent about five years after 9/11 blasting a bomb-proof crypt into the bedrock under their complex to store all their material in; it's the sort of archive God would build if he had the money)
 
2012-10-30 02:48:23 AM  

BronyMedic: LIVE FEED OF FDNY FIRE COMMUNICATIONS FROM QUEENS, INCLUDING EVACUATION

Click here to listen.

Bad, bad shiat is going down in New York, folks.


malkintothekings.files.wordpress.comView Full Size


In our moment of triumph??
 
2012-10-30 02:48:34 AM  

PreMortem: Why are they letting newborns and children have Taco Bell?


They only said the're serving the children, nothing about giving them any food.
 
2012-10-30 02:48:37 AM  

saintstryfe: I'm trained how to do Emergency Recovery and a big part of it is to get out of the more important people's way. Luckily, Librarians and archivists are very talented people and very forward thinking re: emergency management.


True dat. Its a different kind of emergency recovery but an important one nonetheless. Had a lover who was MLS and worked on emergency restoration programs after the big Iowa flood a few years ago.
 
2012-10-30 02:49:18 AM  

BronyMedic: saintstryfe: It's important, don't down play it. The fact is - if it's wet, it has to be taken care of. It's important... it's our records. It's how we research, learn, grow from the past. I'm trained how to do Emergency Recovery and a big part of it is to get out of the more important people's way. Luckily, Librarians and archivists are very talented people and very forward thinking re: emergency management. Getting my MLS we had whole courses just devoted to it.

I don't doubt that in the least, but you really don't want to get out and start freelancing right now. You actually become an impediment to rescue operations, and a potential victim who needs rescued themselves. It's not just the water, but also what's in it as well. At this point, life safety is going to take major priority over recovery of records.

If you want to help, find out where there's a local shelter or staging area for volunteers open, and if you can make it there safely, do so and volunteer your help.


I wouldn't be free-lancing. I work on-call for a company that provides disaster services for libraries. If your library in my area is in a fire, or floods, or a damn hurricane hits you, we get there and use the proper materials and techniques to preserve as much as possible. Again, only after it is safe.
 
2012-10-30 02:49:37 AM  

Suicide of a Phoenix: fire details: (from NY Times)
Three-Alarm Fire in the Rockaways
More than 140 firefighters were battling a three-alarm fire that broke out just after 11 p.m. on Monday in Breezy Point, Queens, a small beach community in the Rockaways that has experienced severe flooding from the storm.

"It's a huge fire - a lot of houses involved," said Firefighter Michael Parrella, a spokesman for the department, adding that the area was "probably the most flooded part of the city so there are all sorts of complications."

The fire, which affected a number of tightly packed homes, was not yet under control early Tuesday morning, he said.


I just saw a clip of it on tv. that wind is really whipping it around.
 
2012-10-30 02:51:23 AM  
Queens Breezy Point fire just called a 5th alarm. Huge fire.
 
2012-10-30 02:51:45 AM  

Emposter: How do you not check to make sure your emergency generators work before a blizzardcanepocalypse?


This. Also, weekly.

Obligatory youtube vid o