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(ABC) NewsFlash The worst case scenario has occurred: NYU Medical Center has lost all power and oxygen supplies. Hundreds of people, including newborns and children, are being evacuated   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 832
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2012-10-30 07:33:56 AM
I'm stuck without power since last night. How do things look?
 
2012-10-30 07:34:20 AM
"Hurricane Sandy causes 16 deaths in US. Meanwhile, several dozen died as a result of police violence and even more of avoidable illness."
 
2012-10-30 07:35:50 AM

Highroller48: The ironic twist to this storm vs. Katrina is that where NOLA saw a large percentage of its poorest become the hardest-hit, Sandy seems to be targeting the richest demographics. Ocean City, Greenwich, Atlantic City, Manhattan...

...It will be interesting to compare the scope of the recovery efforts to, say, those carried out in the 9th Ward of New Orleans.

I bet not too many Midtown socialites are gonna end up in FEMA trailers.


And what commentary are you trying to make here?

People in affluent areas recover more rapidly from disaster. News at 11.
 
2012-10-30 07:35:58 AM
MTA: "Worse Than Worst Case Scenario"

Damn..
 
2012-10-30 07:36:15 AM

clear_prop: tinfoil-hat maggie: clear_prop: Parts of Water Tunnel #3 have been completed and are in use. Full completion is schedule for 2020.

WhyteRaven74: they're close to finished

Cool, thanks for the info, I know it's a major project.

They started the design in 1954 and broke ground in 1970. 24ft wide by 60 miles long.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_tunnel_3


I've seen a few things on it, it's impressive to say the least.
 
2012-10-30 07:37:02 AM

Jerseysteve22: I'm stuck without power since last night. How do things look?


If you wrote it as part of a movie script, Michael Bay would say it's over the top. That bad.
 
2012-10-30 07:37:51 AM
I never thought I'd say this, but I'm glad I live in north Queens. It's not a glamorous part of New York to live in, but apparently we chose a good place to rent an apartment. We never once lost power, experienced no flooding here, no drama at all really.

My thoughts are with those who did not fare as well, yesterday was a really bad, bad day for a lot of people. :(
 
2012-10-30 07:38:29 AM

WhyteRaven74: Jerseysteve22: I'm stuck without power since last night. How do things look?

If you wrote it as part of a movie script, Michael Bay would say it's over the top. That bad.


But mostly just property/infrastructure damage, thankfully.
 
2012-10-30 07:39:17 AM

WhyteRaven74: tinfoil-hat maggie: I can see how that would be, one of the reasons I worried about what daylight and time will bring.

the weather channel reporters are in places they can easily get out of, they know what's coming and don't want to end up stuck.


I'm noticing that, TWC guy that is on now is at a place that only got 3 feet of water, this isn't gonna be good is it?
 
2012-10-30 07:40:25 AM

L.D. Ablo: [radarimg.weatherbug.com image 448x336]

In case anyone is wondering, things are fine here in Yuma, Arizona.

Winds are about 6MPH out of the west and it's a slightly chilly 61 degrees F.

/the rest of you, stay safe, dry and warm


Is that blue dick you?
 
2012-10-30 07:41:56 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: this isn't gonna be good is it?


No. And just think it's going to be a while before it really gets better, things are going to get bad at the next high tide.
 
2012-10-30 07:42:24 AM

WhyteRaven74: In Naragansett RI what was the stone shore wall is now spread all over a parking lot...


God damn it.

My family's home is in Breezy Point, NY which was on fire last I heard. Updates are trickling in. My uncle is a volunteer fife fighter there.

Hope everyone is safe.
 
2012-10-30 07:44:35 AM

Gunny Highway: WhyteRaven74: In Naragansett RI what was the stone shore wall is now spread all over a parking lot...

God damn it.

My family's home is in Breezy Point, NY which was on fire last I heard. Updates are trickling in. My uncle is a volunteer fife fighter there.

Hope everyone is safe.


I lived in Gansett during college to qualify.
 
2012-10-30 07:44:38 AM

Gunny Highway: My family's home is in Breezy Point, NY which was on fire last I heard.


yeah 50 plus homes on fire
 
2012-10-30 07:45:00 AM

Gunny Highway: WhyteRaven74: In Naragansett RI what was the stone shore wall is now spread all over a parking lot...

God damn it.

My family's home is in Breezy Point, NY which was on fire last I heard. Updates are trickling in. My uncle is a volunteer fife fighter there.

Hope everyone is safe.


The boundaries given by FDNY were Ocean Avenue to Atlantic Walk to Jamaica Walk to the Promenade. Hopefully your family's house isn't in that zone.
 
2012-10-30 07:47:29 AM

clear_prop: Gunny Highway: WhyteRaven74: In Naragansett RI what was the stone shore wall is now spread all over a parking lot...

God damn it.

My family's home is in Breezy Point, NY which was on fire last I heard. Updates are trickling in. My uncle is a volunteer fife fighter there.

Hope everyone is safe.

The boundaries given by FDNY were Ocean Avenue to Atlantic Walk to Jamaica Walk to the Promenade. Hopefully your family's house isn't in that zone.


Parents, aunt, uncles, and cousins got out early yesterday. One uncle was trying to be tough and stick it out but he got 100 phone calls telling him to get out of Dodge. He eventually listened to reason.
 
2012-10-30 07:48:39 AM

WhyteRaven74: tinfoil-hat maggie: this isn't gonna be good is it?

No. And just think it's going to be a while before it really gets better, things are going to get bad at the next high tide.


Well, my perfect disaster porn I guess : ( Hopefully the next tidal surge isn't that bad but I know it's keeping first responders away from area's so it sorta is.
 
2012-10-30 07:48:58 AM
Just came back up from having seven hours of no power here in northeast Ohio.

... But it could be a whole lot worse. Oh hell.
 
2012-10-30 07:49:58 AM

Gunny Highway: Parents, aunt, uncles, and cousins got out early yesterday. One uncle was trying to be tough and stick it out but he got 100 phone calls telling him to get out of Dodge. He eventually listened to reason.


Good thing he finally listened. FDNY and the National Guard were rescuing people all night.
 
2012-10-30 07:49:59 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Hopefully the next tidal surge isn't that bad but I know it's keeping first responders away from area's so it sorta is.


Well they're getting away so they don't end up needing to be saved themselves. And this surge shouldn't be as bad as the one last night but still enough.
 
2012-10-30 07:51:04 AM
Also with day light going to be more pictures of the Jersey shore coming in and those were already bad yesterday
 
2012-10-30 07:51:14 AM

Gunny Highway: clear_prop: Gunny Highway: WhyteRaven74: In Naragansett RI what was the stone shore wall is now spread all over a parking lot...

God damn it.

My family's home is in Breezy Point, NY which was on fire last I heard. Updates are trickling in. My uncle is a volunteer fife fighter there.

Hope everyone is safe.

The boundaries given by FDNY were Ocean Avenue to Atlantic Walk to Jamaica Walk to the Promenade. Hopefully your family's house isn't in that zone.

Parents, aunt, uncles, and cousins got out early yesterday. One uncle was trying to be tough and stick it out but he got 100 phone calls telling him to get out of Dodge. He eventually listened to reason.


If only more people had that kind of family, maybe they wouldn't be waiting for rescue all night.
 
2012-10-30 07:51:57 AM

Lachwen: Did they just say TWENTY-FIVE fire victims in one spot?


Flatbush is "ok"
 
2012-10-30 07:51:59 AM

Gunny Highway: WhyteRaven74: In Naragansett RI what was the stone shore wall is now spread all over a parking lot...

God damn it.

My family's home is in Breezy Point, NY which was on fire last I heard. Updates are trickling in. My uncle is a volunteer fife fighter there.

Hope everyone is safe.


Me too. Best wishes, Gunny. 

Christie just said 2.6 million homes without power in NJ.
 
2012-10-30 07:54:11 AM

clear_prop: Gunny Highway: Parents, aunt, uncles, and cousins got out early yesterday. One uncle was trying to be tough and stick it out but he got 100 phone calls telling him to get out of Dodge. He eventually listened to reason.

Good thing he finally listened. FDNY and the National Guard were rescuing people all night.


People love that town and probably thought it would be cool to ride out the storm in their house. Going down on the sinking ship or something. I was there on Sunday morning and people were blowing off the severity of the storm.

I worked for the town for 3 years and it days like today I am happy I don't work there anymore. I am hoping everyone in Breezy is okay. The people being safe are more important than the houses at this point.
 
2012-10-30 07:54:17 AM

WhyteRaven74: tinfoil-hat maggie: Hopefully the next tidal surge isn't that bad but I know it's keeping first responders away from area's so it sorta is.

Well they're getting away so they don't end up needing to be saved themselves. And this surge shouldn't be as bad as the one last night but still enough.


I know, I know, I'm not blaming them for being safe.
 
2012-10-30 07:54:56 AM
Chris Christie on the Moonachie situation.

Natural berm overtopped by the storm surge up Raritan Bay.

----

Raritan Bay was one of the areas mentioned for strong storm surge early yesterday.
 
2012-10-30 07:55:51 AM

WhyteRaven74: Also with day light going to be more pictures of the Jersey shore coming in and those were already bad yesterday


I'm wondering about long Island and all that area, that really we haven't heard much from.
 
2012-10-30 07:56:27 AM
I know everything is going to shiat, but can I raise a practical question at this point? Are we gonna do "Stonehenge" tomorrow?
 
2012-10-30 07:56:53 AM
As usual, the Intrepid museum isn't taking care of their artifacts.

'Bubble' down on Enterprise. Link
 
2012-10-30 07:58:02 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I'm wondering about long Island and all that area, that really we haven't heard much from.


Well we've heard a bit from Long Island, but State Island? Nothing. Only thing I've heard in the last 12 hours was one report of houses flooded up to their attics.
 
2012-10-30 07:58:41 AM

clear_prop: As usual, the Intrepid museum isn't taking care of their artifacts.

'Bubble' down on Enterprise. Link


Sighs....

Shoulda been Dayton
 
2012-10-30 07:59:06 AM

WhyteRaven74: tinfoil-hat maggie: That's what I thought but I don't think I'd trust it personally.

NYC's water comes from upstate and travels into the city after being treated through it's own pipes, so as long as those aren't compromised the water will be fine.


It would take a major earthquake to disrupt the water tunnels:

www.amnh.org

Contrary to the city's overal reputation for dirt, NYC Water is the cleanest and purest of any
metropolitan water system in the world (it comes from the same water source as Deer Park spring
water) and requires minimal treatment (if at all).

The problem comes when it leaves the municipal system and goes into pipes in private buildings. That's where things can get hairy.
 
2012-10-30 07:59:22 AM

WhyteRaven74: tinfoil-hat maggie: I'm wondering about long Island and all that area, that really we haven't heard much from.

Well we've heard a bit from Long Island, but State Island? Nothing. Only thing I've heard in the last 12 hours was one report of houses flooded up to their attics.


Staten Island is mostly populated on the northern shore, so mostly immune from the storm surge.
 
2012-10-30 08:00:13 AM

Matthew Keene: Looking for a place to crash for a few days. Please help.


Saw that in a theater when I was in high school.

/damn, I'm old

JSam21: Let a country boy help you city folks out a bit: [tank pic]

Not really condusive to an urban setting


No, but it was funny. If you have my sense of humor, anyhow.
 
2012-10-30 08:00:22 AM

Shadow Blasko: clear_prop: As usual, the Intrepid museum isn't taking care of their artifacts.

'Bubble' down on Enterprise. Link

Sighs....

Shoulda been Dayton


The SCA haven't been retired yet. There is still time.
 
2012-10-30 08:01:33 AM
tanker ship aground in Clifton Staten Island.

CNN still saying Breezy Point fire is burning...
 
2012-10-30 08:04:18 AM

Gunny Highway: He eventually listened to reason.


Probably not. He probably got more fed up with the phone calls than the storm and decided leaving was the least hassle.

That's the way all my "pestered into things" stories end.
 
2012-10-30 08:04:35 AM

DjangoStonereaver: The problem comes when it leaves the municipal system and goes into pipes in private buildings. That's where things can get hairy.


NYC's water system is interesting. You have the buildings with water towers on top, something you don't see in Chicago save for some old warehouses and the like.
 
2012-10-30 08:07:16 AM

Gunny Highway: The people being safe are more important than the houses at this any point.


FTFY. For the life of me, I can't understand why people won't evacuate when necessary. It's just stuff, and stuff is mostly replaceable. People, OTOH, aren't.

/lesson from being raised in tornado country
 
2012-10-30 08:07:33 AM

doglover: Gunny Highway: He eventually listened to reason.

Probably not. He probably got more fed up with the phone calls than the storm and decided leaving was the least hassle.

That's the way all my "pestered into things" stories end.


Probably true. Ends and means and all.
 
2012-10-30 08:07:37 AM
*facepalm*

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-30 08:08:40 AM

clear_prop: WhyteRaven74: tinfoil-hat maggie: I'm wondering about long Island and all that area, that really we haven't heard much from.

Well we've heard a bit from Long Island, but State Island? Nothing. Only thing I've heard in the last 12 hours was one report of houses flooded up to their attics.

Staten Island is mostly populated on the northern shore, so mostly immune from the storm surge.


My inlaws are on the southern side of SI, but on high ground, and apparently they didn't even lose power.

My sister-in-law evacuated her house in New Dorp Beach on Sunday, and with her its not a question
of whether she flooded but how high it was.

My Brother is on the north side of Long Island, and lost power early yesterday evening.
 
2012-10-30 08:11:50 AM
I know they said it was going to be bad, but I'm a bit shocked at just how bad it turned out to be. Hope everyone up north is doing okay!
 
2012-10-30 08:12:54 AM

WhyteRaven74: DjangoStonereaver: The problem comes when it leaves the municipal system and goes into pipes in private buildings. That's where things can get hairy.

NYC's water system is interesting. You have the buildings with water towers on top, something you don't see in Chicago save for some old warehouses and the like.


There was an episode of DIRTY JOBS where Mike Rowe went along with a crew that replaces water
towers, and they went on at great length about the hows and wherefores of them. Basically, even
relatively recent buildings use them because the laws of physics and fluid dynamics are generally
more cost effective than electric pumps.
 
2012-10-30 08:17:26 AM

Gunny Highway: doglover: Gunny Highway: He eventually listened to reason.

Probably not. He probably got more fed up with the phone calls than the storm and decided leaving was the least hassle.

That's the way all my "pestered into things" stories end.

Probably true. Ends and means and all.


Yeah. I'm with ya there. But don't mistake us stubborn ones conceding to demands for the same as listening to the demandees' opinions.
 
2012-10-30 08:19:48 AM

mikaloyd: Medic Zero: Your first two guesses would be wrong because hospitals test their generators every month.

Every week by law here


I work night shifts in a hospital and have at a number of different hospitals over the years in this area. From what I can tell it is monthly in Washington state, because we flick over to emergency power one night a month (usually the last Thursday of the month). Everyone that works nights at my hospital expects it that night and they announce it overhead. Almost everything is plugged into outlets that run to the emergency power so it doesn't affect our operations any except when the elevators decide to go on the fritz as they sometimes seem to do.

Maybe there is some other level of testing they do on the generators every week that doesn't affect us...?
 
2012-10-30 08:20:14 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Basically, even
relatively recent buildings use them because the laws of physics and fluid dynamics are generally
more cost effective than electric pumps.


Yep. Meanwhile here in Chicago the water is pumped out from the treatment plant and is under pressure when gets to buildings so it can go a pretty far way up without help. NYC's system is gravity fed which works there as the water travels downhill, here the water comes from Lake Michigan and it's all flat here so gravity feeds won't work.
 
2012-10-30 08:29:29 AM

erik-k: If there's one thing I learned watching that show, it's that apparently practically everything destroys concrete on 50-100 year timescales. Plants, water, salt, windblown sand, lichen, alternating heat/cold, you name it - it attacks reinforced concrete.


The Pantheon dome in Rome is (a) made of concrete and (b) 1,887 years old.
 
2012-10-30 08:29:31 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Yoyo: Bonanza Jellybean: xl5150: That's what you get for not being prepared.

/there are these things called backup generators
//novel concept, I know

The did have backup generators, but the story is that unexpectedly high water levels ruined their deisel(sic.) supply.

I was going to guess that the starter batteries were dead or the oil levels were too low due to lack of preventive maintenance. Who doesn't make a fluid tight fuel tank? Seriously. And so what if the flood water levels are 4 feet higher than record. Why can't they just put the generators on the roof with the HVAC equipment?

Why don't you wait for facts to come out before opening your yapper? Sometimes things are just bad timing despite the right plans and design.

/wife is administration at NYU med


Alternatively, how would you refill roof-mounted fuel tanks? Helicopter? Seems that would be really expensive.
 
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