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(ABC) NewsFlash The worst case scenario has occurred: NYU Medical Center has lost all power and oxygen supplies. Hundreds of people, including newborns and children, are being evacuated   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 832
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2012-10-30 03:37:49 AM

Genevieve Marie: themeaningoflifeisnot: FDNY dispatch just asked if they heard correctly that field command was requesting a 6th alarm. Sounds like they can't even believe what's happening.


That's heartrending.

I hate, hate, hate that this is happening.


Yeah, I'm just very thankful that my brother in Queens is nowhere near this fire. I just hope no one was caught up in the fire. I saw a report on CNN earlier that said firefighters were using boats to pull people out of a burning building in the same area, but don't know if that's true because I haven't heard it repeated again.
 
2012-10-30 03:38:11 AM

No_Good_Name: I'm not in NOLA. That frustrates me more. I survived Ike. And we did little to learn from Katrina. I would have hoped that others would have learned a bit more than we did.


So hospitals in NYC should have immediately spent every possible cent they could because of something that happened in Texas?
 
2012-10-30 03:38:43 AM
Just saw this. Posted a few hours ago. Supposedly Breezy Point, Queens.

pbs.twimg.com

Also, noticed in Nate Silver's Twitter feed that he and others in the NYC area smell a lot of smoke, and people were claiming that a paper factory was on fire.
 
2012-10-30 03:39:00 AM

No_Good_Name: quickdraw: No_Good_Name: I'm not in NOLA. That frustrates me more. I survived Ike. And we did little to learn from Katrina. I would have hoped that others would have learned a bit more than we did.

Just wondering - why do you assume nothing was learned? The response to this has been phenomenal. Nothing like the foot-dragging we saw with Katrina. Im sure that Katrina is a big part of why there are so many people in place now doing as much as they possibly can.

Dumb of me, I agree. It probably would have been worse without what they learned from Katrina. I admit to my frustration at any loss of life that is happening.


(hugs)
 
2012-10-30 03:39:31 AM

Friction8r: Ya know who else needed a bunker? At least he built one...


But he died there.
 
2012-10-30 03:40:34 AM
The fire is in a Zone A (evacuation zone).

It's been going on since 11 PM.

50 home involved. 10 still on fire.

Wind gusts are hurting efforts, pushing the fire.

Flame is too powerful. It's basically THIS is a worse-case scenario, firewise.
 
2012-10-30 03:40:39 AM
FDNY Twitter reports 50 homes completely destroyed in Breezy Point.
 
2012-10-30 03:40:45 AM

Medic Zero: If it is anything like Seattle's "news" they'll cut the real story short to get the perspective of some local dumb-ass on the street who happens to have some connection to the area being affected.


They found a girl stuck in PDX, a woman who has a kid in NYC, and a Portland-area bike blogger biatching about not being to get home after some ride he did this weekend. Wah.
 
2012-10-30 03:41:09 AM
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2012-10-30 03:41:17 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: FDNY dispatch just asked if they heard correctly that field command was requesting a 6th alarm. Sounds like they can't even believe what's happening.


Yeah, heard that too. Not good. Also, a soda machine seems to be on fire.
 
2012-10-30 03:42:26 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Just saw this. Posted a few hours ago. Supposedly Breezy Point, Queens.

[pbs.twimg.com image 600x335]

Also, noticed in Nate Silver's Twitter feed that he and others in the NYC area smell a lot of smoke, and people were claiming that a paper factory was on fire.


oh.... thats much much worse than I was imagining. Its just such a densely populated area.....
 
2012-10-30 03:43:01 AM
What a horrible mess. 50 homes burned to the ground and the fire's still not under control. Wow.
 
2012-10-30 03:43:18 AM
Yeah, late to this derp fest. Honestly, people plan for flexible contingencies, not an all-sweeping plan because there just aren't resources to plan for everything. Obviously NYC should have built a ten-foot thick plexiglass bubble in under a week to prepare for this. They had the time. They should have also retro-fitted all their buildings to withstand meteor strike, as everyone knows that meteors and hurricanes go hand in hand.

But seriously, the NYU med center evacuation sounds like it's actually going as fluidly as it could, despite the elements. THAT is something that is impressive; generators get tested weekly to monthly, full scale evacuations get tested on game day.
 
2012-10-30 03:43:39 AM
I can't believe things managed to get worse in 2hrs.. I went to bed thinking nothing much more could go wrong. fark.
 
2012-10-30 03:43:53 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: What a horrible mess. 50 homes burned to the ground and the fire's still not under control. Wow.


was that area evacuated?
 
2012-10-30 03:44:19 AM

relcec: robodog: relcec: thought it was obvious that life and death infrastructure near major large bodies of water and near said body of water's waterline needed to rethink leaving the backup generators in the basement after the japanese tsunami. they've had 20 months. if people die to this neglect, there should be serious repercussions.

LOL, yeah you go ahead an re-engineer the roof of the building to accept a couple of multi-ton generators with thousands of gallons of flammable fuel in a terrorist target with zero budget (hospitals are not where medical profits go). Oh and do it in 20 months....

no budget? you think NYU medical has no money? and even if they didn't, which is ridiculous, that this is an excuse? *it was expensive to save maybe hundreds of lives to mitigate a risk that was statistically guaranteed to eventually happen* is your rejoinder? and why the hell would it have to go on the roof? how about just not below sea level?


Chances are they don't have anywhere in their footprint to put a new structure dedicated to generators and can't afford to buy any of the land adjacent to them, even if it were for sale. Assuming they did, the cost would still be pretty astronomical. As far as we know, no lives have been lost, they just had to evacuate the patients to other hospitals.
 
2012-10-30 03:44:25 AM
Oh, I will add this : I am not a mechanical or architectural or building engineer, so, this might be wrong.
Most large buildings that I have dealt with in Los Angeles or San Francisco or San Diego always had the boiler and the chiller in the basement, along with the generators. These are not small things, I have seen boilers that are half as big as my ranch style house ( about 45' long) . The thing is- they are heavy and hard to transport- you would be losing a huge amount of rentable / leasable/ tasked space with a lift that big rated for that many tons. And the crane job, for the hieght of many is not an option that is viable. The only thing that could change is lose the first 3 floors, regardless of sea level / location to equipment. And redundant sealed fuel systems. The main thing is, is that it costs millions in potential revenue and capitol investment.
Nobody wins. Not trying to armchair or snark, but- we *can* do better.
Stay safe folks
 
2012-10-30 03:44:58 AM

quickdraw: themeaningoflifeisnot: What a horrible mess. 50 homes burned to the ground and the fire's still not under control. Wow.

was that area evacuated?


It's in the evacuation zone, so hopefully everyone left.
 
2012-10-30 03:45:37 AM

BronyMedic: What I'm saying is, for those patients, it IS the worst case scenario. These are patients for which it's life-threatening to even move them down the elevator into the X-ray suite. And as for my passion blinding me? Dude, I work with NICU transports. These babies don't take stimulation well - they tend to clamp up, brady down, and die with it.


And as someone who's parents live in the affected area, but are not in a hospital, worst case scenario means something very different to me. There's too much hyperbole on the Internet and there's a lot of better ways to phrase the situation.
 
2012-10-30 03:46:21 AM
Just saw on the Weather Channel: 18-20 ft waves on Lake Ontario? 18-22 ft on Lake Erie?

I remember an amazing storm in Oswego, and a bunch in Buffalo and the southern suburbs, but that still sounds pretty crazy.
 
2012-10-30 03:46:45 AM
This chick doing the weather on TWC is hot. Fapping to the locals on the 8's!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-30 03:46:46 AM

davidphogan: No_Good_Name: I'm not in NOLA. That frustrates me more. I survived Ike. And we did little to learn from Katrina. I would have hoped that others would have learned a bit more than we did.

So hospitals in NYC should have immediately spent every possible cent they could because of something that happened in Texas?


No, but at least evaluated their needs. Look, I know I'm armchair quarterbacking. I just wish more could be done. I hate the thought of anyone having to go through this. And knowing the years of recovery it takes. Sorry, I'm soft like that.
 
2012-10-30 03:48:31 AM
Since my hotlinked image may have gone deads-ville on me, here's that Breezy Point inferno screen grab again:

img5.imageshack.us

Twitter-verse saying entire blocks are on fire. 5-alarm fire now.
 
2012-10-30 03:49:20 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Since my hotlinked image may have gone deads-ville on me, here's that Breezy Point inferno screen grab again:

[img5.imageshack.us image 600x335]

Twitter-verse saying entire blocks are on fire. 5-alarm fire now.



Holy god. That's ugly and terrible.
 
2012-10-30 03:49:42 AM
But there will be good skiing in Virginia
 
2012-10-30 03:50:40 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Twitter-verse saying entire blocks are on fire. 5-alarm fire now.


They called in a 6th alarm about 20 minutes ago. Even dispatch couldn't believe it.
 
2012-10-30 03:51:12 AM
Empire State Building stays lit Link
 
2012-10-30 03:51:47 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: shower_in_my_socks: Twitter-verse saying entire blocks are on fire. 5-alarm fire now.

They called in a 6th alarm about 20 minutes ago. Even dispatch couldn't believe it.



You would think everything would be soaking wet, though. Weird. Unless all of the gas lines for the entire neighborhood went off...
 
2012-10-30 03:51:56 AM
Good night and good luck to everyone effected.
 
2012-10-30 03:52:06 AM
From 12 minutes ago:

FDNY @FDNY

QNS 6-6 BREEZY POINT FIRE, 50+ HOMES COMPLETELY DESTROYED BY FIRE
 
2012-10-30 03:52:13 AM

davidphogan: Just saw on the Weather Channel: 18-20 ft waves on Lake Ontario? 18-22 ft on Lake Erie?

I remember an amazing storm in Oswego, and a bunch in Buffalo and the southern suburbs, but that still sounds pretty crazy.


My mom's boyfriend works for the Monroe County DOT and said it was bad.
 
2012-10-30 03:52:14 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: shower_in_my_socks: Twitter-verse saying entire blocks are on fire. 5-alarm fire now.

They called in a 6th alarm about 20 minutes ago. Even dispatch couldn't believe it.


MSNBC is saying it's only a 4 alarm.
 
2012-10-30 03:52:14 AM

Moderator: Can we get back on track here please and avoid the personal attacks and name calling?


Wow.....I've been on fark for a long time (only had the account for a couple years, but I've visited for a few years before that).

I've seen some pretty ugly things said and have never witnessed a mod before. This has been pretty tame.

What gives?
 
2012-10-30 03:52:22 AM
radarimg.weatherbug.com

In case anyone is wondering, things are fine here in Yuma, Arizona.

Winds are about 6MPH out of the west and it's a slightly chilly 61 degrees F.

/the rest of you, stay safe, dry and warm
 
2012-10-30 03:52:39 AM

No_Good_Name: But there will be good skiing in Virginia


Yeah, that's extraordinary weird - West Virginia is getting that Nor'easter we were all worried about before the Hurricane was bearing on us.
 
2012-10-30 03:52:48 AM

No_Good_Name: davidphogan: No_Good_Name: I'm not in NOLA. That frustrates me more. I survived Ike. And we did little to learn from Katrina. I would have hoped that others would have learned a bit more than we did.

So hospitals in NYC should have immediately spent every possible cent they could because of something that happened in Texas?

No, but at least evaluated their needs. Look, I know I'm armchair quarterbacking. I just wish more could be done. I hate the thought of anyone having to go through this. And knowing the years of recovery it takes. Sorry, I'm soft like that.


Even a nonprofit hospital, if given the choice between investing against a 100 year flood versus buying some badass new technology, they're almost always going to go with the new toy. It's just the way people weigh risks.

I'm sure if they had to rebuild the hospital for some reason before now it may have been more plausible, but moving perfectly good generators would be called a waste of money by most until something like this happens. As humans we're just terrible at realistically evaluating risk, but this exact result was such a long shot maybe it wouldn't have made sense to think it would happen in the first place.
 
2012-10-30 03:53:41 AM
I'm confused... is that real or did you MS paint a penis on that ?
 
2012-10-30 03:54:22 AM

UncleStumpy: What gives?


Context.
 
2012-10-30 03:54:36 AM
Oh dear god...

there were people in that fire. CBS New York just reported... there were people in that area before the fire. No confirmation of deaths related to it, but there were people in the Evacuation Zone who were determined to "Ride it out".

Thrall's balls.
 
2012-10-30 03:54:41 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: themeaningoflifeisnot: shower_in_my_socks: Twitter-verse saying entire blocks are on fire. 5-alarm fire now.

They called in a 6th alarm about 20 minutes ago. Even dispatch couldn't believe it.

MSNBC is saying it's only a 4 alarm.


MSNBC is way behind on this. It was a 5 alarm over an hour ago, and went to a 6 alarm about 20 minutes ago. At least 50 homes have burned to the ground.
 
2012-10-30 03:54:42 AM

Coelacanth: Empire State Building stays lit Link


heard early were a few other buildings with power though haven't seen anything to confirm it
 
2012-10-30 03:54:53 AM

UncleStumpy: What gives?


Theres an app for that Farkback
 
2012-10-30 03:54:54 AM

noblehammer16: My mom's boyfriend works for the Monroe County DOT and said it was bad.


I can imagine that Irondequoit Bay would get pretty crazy with heavy winds.
 
2012-10-30 03:56:05 AM

saintstryfe: Oh dear god...

there were people in that fire. CBS New York just reported... there were people in that area before the fire. No confirmation of deaths related to it, but there were people in the Evacuation Zone who were determined to "Ride it out".

Thrall's balls.


:(

/Thrall would actually be a pretty handy guy in that situation
 
2012-10-30 03:57:09 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: themeaningoflifeisnot: shower_in_my_socks: Twitter-verse saying entire blocks are on fire. 5-alarm fire now.

They called in a 6th alarm about 20 minutes ago. Even dispatch couldn't believe it.

MSNBC is saying it's only a 4 alarm.


Personally I'll trust FDNY's twitter feed over what's being reported on MSNBC.
 
2012-10-30 03:57:44 AM
pbs.twimg.com

Power lines aren't supposed to look like that...
 
2012-10-30 03:57:47 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: themeaningoflifeisnot: shower_in_my_socks: Twitter-verse saying entire blocks are on fire. 5-alarm fire now.

They called in a 6th alarm about 20 minutes ago. Even dispatch couldn't believe it.

MSNBC is saying it's only a 4 alarm.


We're listening to the live feed. We're probably much more ahead of the story than MSNBC, who might have someone listening, but won't report that it's 6 alarm until they have a few confirmations. Congratulations, you're now officially one step ahead of the mainstream new outlets.
 
2012-10-30 03:58:15 AM

Bathia_Mapes: AverageAmericanGuy: themeaningoflifeisnot: shower_in_my_socks: Twitter-verse saying entire blocks are on fire. 5-alarm fire now.

They called in a 6th alarm about 20 minutes ago. Even dispatch couldn't believe it.

MSNBC is saying it's only a 4 alarm.

Personally I'll trust FDNY's twitter feed over what's being reported on MSNBC.


^ This
 
2012-10-30 03:58:23 AM

davidphogan: noblehammer16: My mom's boyfriend works for the Monroe County DOT and said it was bad.

I can imagine that Irondequoit Bay would get pretty crazy with heavy winds.


Yeah, me too. I know a few people with houses on the lake. I'm sure they are flooded right now.
 
2012-10-30 03:59:09 AM

lacydog: AverageAmericanGuy: themeaningoflifeisnot: shower_in_my_socks: Twitter-verse saying entire blocks are on fire. 5-alarm fire now.

They called in a 6th alarm about 20 minutes ago. Even dispatch couldn't believe it.

MSNBC is saying it's only a 4 alarm.

We're listening to the live feed. We're probably much more ahead of the story than MSNBC, who might have someone listening, but won't report that it's 6 alarm until they have a few confirmations. Congratulations, you're now officially one step ahead of the mainstream new outlets.


Yeah they like to wait for drudge to say it first. Goddess only knows why.
 
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