BronyMedic: themeaningoflifeisnot: Anyway, what is the status of the transferred patients? Have all been transferred successfully?

NYU website is down and wont load for me.

As of two hours ago, they had gotten 215 of the almost 800 patients out. So Assuming that it's a hundred an hour, I'd say they're 50% there.

Are they evacuating all the patients? I read reports that they were evacuating only about 200 of them.

relcec: and one intractable problem is moving generators and fuel higher up?

Yes it is. I know it frightens you to realize that some problems cannot be fixed.

BronyMedic: themeaningoflifeisnot: Anyway, what is the status of the transferred patients? Have all been transferred successfully?

NYU website is down and wont load for me.

As of two hours ago, they had gotten 215 of the almost 800 patients out. So Assuming that it's a hundred an hour, I'd say they're 50% there.

Thats pretty good. That is probably most if not all of the ones whose life was in immediate danger if NYU has a typical trauma center percentage of patients. Not that all of them dont need a better place to be. But most patients wouldnt be in instant danger when the lights went out. NICU SICU PACU OR some ER and maternity ward patients would need all the help possible fast. Most of the rest would need to be calmed reassured and helped through this, but they arent in such dire immediate need.

BronyMedic: What I'm saying is, for those patients, it IS the worst case scenario. These are patients for which it's life-threatening to even move them down the elevator into the X-ray suite. And as for my passion blinding me? Dude, I work with NICU transports. These babies don't take stimulation well - they tend to clamp up, brady down, and die with it.

If I never get the chance to say this I'm saying it now. Thank you for what you do. Its people like you that saved my friend's daughter's life when she was born from a uterine infection on the razor's edge of viability.

BronyMedic: themeaningoflifeisnot: Are they evacuating all the patients? I read reports that they were evacuating only about 200 of them.

My understanding is they're undertaking a general evacuation based on the comments on Paramedics on Facebook and JEMS' facebook page.

Makes sense if the entire hospital is without power.

Yoyo: Kuroshin: quickdraw: Propane is a tricky gas - not at all stable. Natural gas is even worse. Diesel is the most stable which is why they use it for emergencies.

And much higher energy density. Longer run-time.

Sure, but natural gas can be delivered as needed by the city wide distribution system, so there is no storage needed. Was there an earthquake along with the flood that I haven't heard about?

That distribution system needs electricity to work.

Magorn: MisterTweak: pxlboy: Evacuated to where, exactly?

Mt. Sinai, Columbia, HSS, Doctors, St. Vincents....

I think Saint Vinny's closed last year-mom went to nursing school there in 1960 and the alumns had a memorial dinner

Doh. I forgot. Well, I think we can assume *that* group of patients is going to be pretty pissed when they get booted from an ambulance to the front of a half-built condo. Comment cards will likely not be positive.

/moved away a few years ago

pissedoffmick: Do you think that a guy named "NYC" owns all the generators? Norton Yancy Chillingworth - generator man.


He wasn't there, but he's certain that they didn't test their generators. He knows this because if a machine worked a few days ago under perfect conditions, there's no possible way it could not be working now in the middle of a storm. Machines don't work one day and then not work later, right? Every machine I've ever used -- especially those gas-burning ones -- work perfectly every single time. Fark, I don't even see mechanic shops anymore, they're so trustworthy and infallible. And if a machine breaks on you, you must be a moron who doesn't know half as much about disasters as a guy living the rough, survivalist lifestyle of Beverly Hills residents.

The people complaining that they didn't have a disaster plan or have a poor disaster plan are overlooking the extremely obvious point that *this is part of the disaster plan*. Backup generators are the first phase of such a plan but you also have to plan on what to do when those fail for one of any number of reasons. The generators failed and they quickly moved to the next level of a controlled evacuation which, by most accounts, is going rather well. Obviously transporting unstable patients is extremely risky but you have to deal with the situation at hand immediately and worry about pointing fingers at a later date.

No system can ever be 100% reliant, there will be many long investigations into what went wrong and who, if anyone, is to blame, but arguing about such things with no facts and while the situation is still critical is absolutely pointless.

Why are they letting newborns and children have Taco Bell?

saintstryfe: HaywoodJablonski: saintstryfe: lecavalier: xl5150: BronyMedic: Bad, bad shiat is going down in New York, folks.

Boo-hoo. It's hard to feel bad for them when simple planning ahead on their part would have avoided such a situation.

I've been really, really critical of the way we have acted in Westchester County because there isn't dick going on up here beyond some minor inconveniences, but in the city? LOL, that is a whole other thing and you are an idiot to think otherwise.

Agreed. I'm in Ulster, about 30 minutes north of Westchester by the Thruway, and we haven't had anything but a bad rainstorm. Our last bad rainstorm in September three big limbs came down - no such problems this time (that I can see with a flashlight). The storms path basically hooked directly around us.

All I know is everyone here is on call to our various professions - I'm a Librarian, and going down to offer assistance to any RM or archival store that is in serious disaster mode, and my older brother is a Master Electrician, he's going to be down there sorting wire very soon.

Noble cause and all, but you should stay where you are. The last thing they need is non-critical personnel clogging up the roads/trains while they deal with actual emergencies.

It's important, don't down play it. The fact is - if it's wet, it has to be taken care of. It's important... it's our records. It's how we research, learn, grow from the past. I'm trained how to do Emergency Recovery and a big part of it is to get out of the more important people's way. Luckily, Librarians and archivists are very talented people and very forward thinking re: emergency management. Getting my MLS we had whole courses just devoted to it.

Very true.

The NY Times is reporting that there are only 215 patients at the NYU Med Center and NBC NY is saying only 215 patients will be evacuated. ????

themeaningoflifeisnot: Somacandra: themeaningoflifeisnot: I'm a lot more concerned about the out-of-control Queens fire.

Source? Can't find any information.

FDNY and EMS channel feeds and FDNY twitter and ABC live blog.

Thanks---found it. Friends in Astoria.

Could we as a country as least take away the lesson that major population centers SHOULD get priority emergency management funding over corn-based states? This is coming from a guy who LIVES in a corn-based state. If a bomb went off in rural southern Indiana, the world would be out a bomb.

/Stay safe Northeastern folks

BronyMedic: I appreciate it, but please don't thank me, some random guy posting on fark who's off work for a bad case of Bronchitis. Thank those guys down there in the muck right now.

I can't thank them right now--so you'll have to stand in for them. :-)

Medic Zero: Your first two guesses would be wrong because hospitals test their generators every month.

Every week by law here

PreMortem: Why are they letting newborns and children have Taco Bell?

They only said the're serving the children, nothing about giving them any food.

saintstryfe: I'm trained how to do Emergency Recovery and a big part of it is to get out of the more important people's way. Luckily, Librarians and archivists are very talented people and very forward thinking re: emergency management.

True dat. Its a different kind of emergency recovery but an important one nonetheless. Had a lover who was MLS and worked on emergency restoration programs after the big Iowa flood a few years ago.

Queens Breezy Point fire just called a 5th alarm. Huge fire.

Dwight_Yeast: Haliburton Cummings: this thread has rapidly become two bald old men, knee high in shiat fighting over a plunger.

Meh. you haven't been here long enough to see a real Fark shiatstorm. The threads during and after Katrina were particularly bad.

oh i remember those...

Somacandra: themeaningoflifeisnot: Somacandra: themeaningoflifeisnot: I'm a lot more concerned about the out-of-control Queens fire.

Source? Can't find any information.

FDNY and EMS channel feeds and FDNY twitter and ABC live blog.

Thanks---found it. Friends in Astoria.

I have a brother in Queens, and a friend. So I've been listening quite avidly.