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(ABC) NewsFlash The worst case scenario has occurred: NYU Medical Center has lost all power and oxygen supplies. Hundreds of people, including newborns and children, are being evacuated   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 832
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2012-10-30 01:50:21 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: Let's sensationalize the situation even more, shall we?

BABIES ARE DROWNING, AN ENTIRE NYC GENERATION LOST?

Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal.

The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

And yet it's not the worst case scenario...


It is if you're the baby.
 
2012-10-30 01:50:24 AM  
I can't even imagine trying to get ICU/NICU patients, especially those in need of ventilation down, the stairs. The hospital staff who pulled it off deserve thanks, hugs, and many free drinks.
 
2012-10-30 01:50:57 AM  

BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.


Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.
 
2012-10-30 01:51:05 AM  
They just struck out a fourth alarm fire in Queens.
 
2012-10-30 01:51:33 AM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: xl5150 is a highly skilled troll. Please ignore him. I know it's hard, but I believe in you.


I'll try to restrain myself.
 
2012-10-30 01:51:47 AM  

BronyMedic:
It doesn't help that the officials there delayed an official request for FEMA and federal mutual aid resources, you know. New Orleans was far from JUST FEMA's foul up.


I apologize, I wasn't specific. I Certainly don't blame FEMA for NOLA's failures. There was lots to go around.

My only point is that there are still a lot of unrecovered properties all these years later, but something tells me Mr. Millionaire's brownstoneoverlooking the East River will be cleaned up a lot faster.
 
2012-10-30 01:51:58 AM  

mynameist: How Farking hard is it to maintain a backup generator? Angolans can figure it out. Fark NY.


Bellevue's problems were the primary backups were under water. NYU's problem is likely salt water in the underground (below sea level) tanks.
 
2012-10-30 01:52:11 AM  

BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: And yet it's not the worst case scenario...

Absent of a building collapse killing them, yeah it is. It's not as simple as hooking an adult up to a BVM and bagging them until the power comes back on.


Things can always get worse.
 
2012-10-30 01:52:30 AM  

Chupacabra Sandwich: Noooooooooooo not the PONIES!!!!!


AverageAmericanGuy: saintstryfe: And we know now the result of that old Bush Administration fight....

Well, that didn't take long.


Well yeah, we knew this. 7 years of badly placed funding can't be fixed in 3, so yeah. It's not politics... it's a fact. Bush screwed up federal emergency management funding for a decade. Lots of money was sent to places that didn't really have anything. Places claimed funds that should have gone to places like New York and New Orleans to protect shopping malls and silos and used it to buy hugely expensive equipment of questionable use. It was wrong.
 
2012-10-30 01:52:31 AM  
It's only a category 1 hurricane........
 
2012-10-30 01:52:38 AM  

Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.


What's NICU?
 
2012-10-30 01:53:56 AM  
This is like watching e-looting. The anger in here is full blown crazy.
 
2012-10-30 01:54:08 AM  
Looks like I may end up going to NYC in a couple of days.
 
2012-10-30 01:54:09 AM  

BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: And yet it's not the worst case scenario...

Absent of a building collapse killing them, yeah it is. It's not as simple as hooking an adult up to a BVM and bagging them until the power comes back on.


The streets are clear enough to move them. It's really not as bad as you're making it out.

I'd suggest shutting the scanner off and going to bed; you're not helping things. I know (I hope) you don't mean to be fear-mongering, but that's how your posts are coming across.
 
2012-10-30 01:54:10 AM  

doglover: Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.

What's NICU?


Neonatal Intensive Care Unit
 
2012-10-30 01:54:18 AM  

doglover: What's NICU?


Neonatal Intensive Care Unit
 
2012-10-30 01:54:31 AM  

doglover: Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.

What's NICU?


WTF is a NICU, anyway?

Level I: Basic Newborn Care: Level 1 nurseries care for healthy, full-term babies. They are able to stabilize babies born near term to get them ready to transfer to facilities that offer special care.

Level II: Specialty Newborn Care: Special care nurseries can care for babies born at greater than 32 weeks gestation or who are recovering from more serious conditions.

Level IIA: These nurseries do not provide assisted ventilation.
Level IIB: These nurseries can provide assisted ventilation for less than 24 hours, and can also provide continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP).
Level III: Subspecialty Newborn Care: Level III NICUs care for the sickest babies and offer the greatest variety of support.

Level IIIA: These nurseries care for babies born greater than 28 weeks. They offer mechanical ventilation and minor surgical procedures such as central line placement.
Level IIIB: Level IIIB NICUs can offer different types of mechanical ventilation, have access to a wide range of pediatric specialists, can use imaging capabilities beyond x-ray, and may provide some surgeries requiring anesthesia.
Level IIIC: The most acute care is provided in level IIIC NICUs, sometimes called level IV NICUs. These nurseries can provide advanced ventilation, including ECMO, and can provide advanced surgeries including "open-heart" surgeries to correct congenital heart defects
 
2012-10-30 01:54:35 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-30 01:55:14 AM  

doglover: Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.

What's NICU?


neo-natal intensive care unit, basically where we try to keep premi's alive.
 
2012-10-30 01:55:36 AM  

doglover: Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.

What's NICU?

NeoNatal Intensive Care Unit
 
2012-10-30 01:56:29 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: BronyMedic: DeathByGeekSquad: And yet it's not the worst case scenario...

Absent of a building collapse killing them, yeah it is. It's not as simple as hooking an adult up to a BVM and bagging them until the power comes back on.

The streets are clear enough to move them. It's really not as bad as you're making it out.

I'd suggest shutting the scanner off and going to bed; you're not helping things. I know (I hope) you don't mean to be fear-mongering, but that's how your posts are coming across.


Sleep? I can't even lay flat right now. I'm hitting the nebulizer every two hours because of the wheezing, so I've got albuterol jitters. I've got bacterial bronchitis from hell, man.
 
2012-10-30 01:56:46 AM  

eraser8: Neonatal


WhyteRaven74: Neonatal


BronyMedic: WTF is a NICU, anyway?


Many tanks.

images.wikia.com
 
2012-10-30 01:56:53 AM  
7 subway tunnels under East River flooded according to NY MTA chairman
 
2012-10-30 01:56:58 AM  
Has anyone answered the question "What's an NICU" yet? Cause I don't see it anywhere in the thread.

/end smartass
 
2012-10-30 01:58:13 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Dwight_Yeast: Bonanza Jellybean: My sister lives on the UES (E73rd and York), not far from the East River, and I haven't heard from her in hours (they were not within the evacuation zone). Anybody know if the river breached the seawalls that far north? I hate to be an anxious tard, but all the police/fire radio chatter is creeping me out.

UES is pretty high above sea level, so she's almost certainly safe. Pretty much anything above Midtown is high and dry. The bedrock in Manhattan actually come up out of the ground at Central park, so anything north of there is high ground By the time you get to Harlem, it's about 100 ft above sea level.

Thanks. There has been some flooding in the UES I guess, but I feel better now. Much appreciated.


I live a few blocks from there. The highway (right on the river) was under about 5 feet of water, but it didn't come in much more than that. Probably nothing to worry about.
 
2012-10-30 01:58:39 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: mynameist: How Farking hard is it to maintain a backup generator? Angolans can figure it out. Fark NY.

This tread is turning into a great place to update The List.


Yeah it is.
And during things like this, you get to make sure the real scumbags go away vs the people who troll for fun.
 
2012-10-30 01:59:05 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Has anyone answered the question "What's an NICU" yet? Cause I don't see it anywhere in the thread.

/end smartass


Neonatal intensive care unit
 
2012-10-30 01:59:15 AM  
7 million without power
 
2012-10-30 01:59:39 AM  

LadyBelgara: I thought we learned not to put the backup generators in the basement...

/seriously, though, this sucks


I thought you didn't put them far enough away from the main building because if you have to turn them on, you need more than a shotgun or the velociraptors will get you.
 
2012-10-30 02:00:00 AM  

Hobodeluxe: 7 million without power


How are temps? Is it cold too?
 
2012-10-30 02:00:01 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Dwight_Yeast: Bonanza Jellybean: My sister lives on the UES (E73rd and York), not far from the East River, and I haven't heard from her in hours (they were not within the evacuation zone). Anybody know if the river breached the seawalls that far north? I hate to be an anxious tard, but all the police/fire radio chatter is creeping me out.

UES is pretty high above sea level, so she's almost certainly safe. Pretty much anything above Midtown is high and dry. The bedrock in Manhattan actually come up out of the ground at Central park, so anything north of there is high ground By the time you get to Harlem, it's about 100 ft above sea level.

Thanks. There has been some flooding in the UES I guess, but I feel better now. Much appreciated.


Central Harlem is 24 feet above sea level and it slopes downward toward the east river.
 
2012-10-30 02:00:13 AM  

quickdraw: ol!

Thats definitely something a twelve-year old would say.


Don't keep him. He has to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2012-10-30 02:01:12 AM  

doglover: eraser8: Neonatal

WhyteRaven74: Neonatal

BronyMedic: WTF is a NICU, anyway?

Many tanks.

[images.wikia.com image 300x243]


Sooooooo many M2s...
 
2012-10-30 02:01:12 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Typically backup generators fail when the fuel supply is disrupted. Building codes don't allow for the diesel to be stored inside the building without extraordinary measure being taken. Those measures are always cost prohibitive. So the fuel will most likely be in some sort of underground cistern. The likely source of the power failure is the pumps for the generators have been damaged.

There really is no good solution to the problem with current technology. I wish there was but that's not in the foreseeable future.

/architect


How about a propane or natural gas generator?
 
2012-10-30 02:01:37 AM  
Damn. This is exactly like what happened to Big Charity in New Orleans during Katrina.

doctors and nurses trying to keep people alive for a solid week with no power in 90+F heat because no one thought to put the diesel tanks somewhere that flood water couldn't get to them.
 
2012-10-30 02:01:53 AM  

BronyMedic: Sleep? I can't even lay flat right now. I'm hitting the nebulizer every two hours because of the wheezing, so I've got albuterol jitters. I've got bacterial bronchitis from hell, man.


Oh that sucks. I had pretty bad asthma when I was a kid, and I remember how little fun too much albuterol is. Explains why your posts are a little more paranoid than usual, too.

Continue on; there's no way you're sleeping tonight. Get well soon.
 
2012-10-30 02:02:08 AM  
I love my local news. "There are more people without power than LIVE IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF OREGON!"

I thought we measured things the Rhode Islands as a national standard?
 
2012-10-30 02:02:18 AM  
The real problem is in Queens. A major conflagration has broken out in Breezy Point. 15 fully involved buildings, and FDNY is having trouble getting battalions on scene and finding working pumps.
 
2012-10-30 02:02:39 AM  

doglover: Generators are heavy. "You want one up there, YOU carry it." was probably said at some point during the planning phase.


It wasnt the generators - it was the fuel. You don't put large cisterns of fuel in the same place as a lot of people and assorted electronics.

Really really a good idea not to have giant bombs on the upper levels of a building for allll sorts of reasons.
 
2012-10-30 02:02:41 AM  
The Spartans knew how to deal with this issue:

0.tqn.com
 
2012-10-30 02:03:24 AM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: The real problem is in Queens. A major conflagration has broken out in Breezy Point. 15 fully involved buildings, and FDNY is having trouble getting battalions on scene and finding working pumps.


They should have sprung for the Jimmy Choos.
 
2012-10-30 02:03:29 AM  
From reading the previous comments I don't have to be too snarky with the Katrina comparisons but I will say that it will be a fact that any damaged areas of New York will be repaired a lot quicker than the Katrina damage in New Orleans.
 
2012-10-30 02:03:35 AM  

davidphogan: I love my local news. "There are more people without power than LIVE IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF OREGON!"

I thought we measured things the Rhode Islands as a national standard?


Only in terms of distance.
Population counts tend to be compared to flyover country.
 
2012-10-30 02:03:38 AM  

quickdraw: Hobodeluxe: 7 million without power

How are temps? Is it cold too?


50 ish
 
2012-10-30 02:03:39 AM  

doglover: Somacandra: BronyMedic: Considering NYU is a level IV surgical NICU, and those babies are completely dependant on specialized, very large machines to keep them both warm and alive, yeah. It's a big freakin' deal. The cold alone can kill a medically fragile baby very quickly.

Couldn't have said it better. These are the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable in place that was especially designed for them. This is in fact a really really big deal.

What's NICU?


NICU
 
2012-10-30 02:03:51 AM  

themeaningoflifeisnot: . A major conflagration has broken out in Breezy Point. 15 fully involved buildings, and FDNY is having trouble getting battalions on scene and finding working pumps.


A major fire in a flood. Has anyone contacted Alanis Morrisette?
 
2012-10-30 02:04:03 AM  
thought it was obvious that life and death infrastructure near major large bodies of water and near said body of water's waterline needed to rethink leaving the backup generators in the basement after the japanese tsunami. they've had 20 months. if people die to this neglect, there should be serious repercussions.
 
2012-10-30 02:04:17 AM  

Seige101: Smeggy Smurf: Typically backup generators fail when the fuel supply is disrupted. Building codes don't allow for the diesel to be stored inside the building without extraordinary measure being taken. Those measures are always cost prohibitive. So the fuel will most likely be in some sort of underground cistern. The likely source of the power failure is the pumps for the generators have been damaged.

There really is no good solution to the problem with current technology. I wish there was but that's not in the foreseeable future.

/architect

How about a propane or natural gas generator?


Propane is a tricky gas - not at all stable. Natural gas is even worse. Diesel is the most stable which is why they use it for emergencies.
 
2012-10-30 02:04:22 AM  
Has anyone heard a timetable for when this storm is going to be... over?
 
2012-10-30 02:05:29 AM  
I can't even do it this time. Snark is put on hold. Trolling is right out. I've seen what happens in hospitals under better circumstances than this. I'm a misanthrope, but seeing an entire hospital go dark and evac is soul-crushing. Best of luck to everybody. We're not far off from similar circumstances here in the PacNW. Pull through. Show the world what kind of right bastards you can be. Take care of each other.
 
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