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(WorldNetDaily)   World Net Daily crows about how they committed fraud by donating to Obama's campaign under the false name "Osama Bin Laden". Oh, and they donated money to Obama's campaign, too. Looks like they didn't think their cunning plan through at all   ( wnd.com) divider line
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2012-10-30 10:56:07 AM  
The fact that we're supposed to take WND's word for that Romney's site has measures implemented to prevent such things means that either A) they're just lying or B) they couldn't afford the 50 bucks minimum suggested donation
 
2012-10-30 10:59:41 AM  

Epoch_Zero: lantawa: I am highly amused.

Is someone shaking keys?


I LOL'ed long and hard at this riposte.
 
2012-10-30 11:00:37 AM  
Subby?

It's known as 'Whistle Blowing'. perhaps you've heard of it.

It's when an honest person or organization shows that another organization is breaking law.

For example, when the folks over at Veritas showed that Rep. Moran's son and campaign manager was ready to aid and abet voter fraud.
 
2012-10-30 11:02:52 AM  

garkola: Obama's campaign is accepting foreign donations in direct violation of campaign finance laws


Using a small donation that wouldn't raise any screening concerns, also using a legit American zipcode and a proxy, which doesn't disqualify anyone from being an American.
 
2012-10-30 11:04:51 AM  
Maybe I do not understand the issue enough to be concerned. They put the fake address as California. If I told all of you I was writing this from Athens Greece or an Igloo in the Northwest Terrirories or from a cave out side of Cairo how would you doubt me? they said California so i would assume it came from some dude in California. An obviously fake address in CA but unless the automated system goes and looks at a Map how would the system know?

plus, who knows? Maybe Osama Bin Laden is like "smith" here in the US.
 
2012-10-30 11:05:42 AM  

jedikinkoid: Leeds: So you think that some Americans chip in too much money into the political system and you propose that the "fix" for this situation is to allow foreigners to buy into our election process too?

So you aren't at all concerned with thinly-veiled bribery on a grand scale as long as it's good ole 'murricans doing it, and you propose that we all join you in a round of goat buggery?

Hey, you're right, Leeds... it IS fun just making up s*** and attributing it to people you disagree with!


This article is about how Obama's donation site is insecure and allows donations from foreigners. But there are so many of you derpers pretending that this illegal activity is less of an issue than legal donations from Americans.

I get it, campaign finance reform is something that we need to revisit as a nation. But that's not what this article is about. This article is about illegal foreign donations being blocked by the Romney website and accepted by the Obama website. Derp all you want but it won't magically change the topic of this thread to be about reforming the campaign finance laws. This thread is about Obama breaking those laws.

PLEASE STOP BEING SO STUPID.
 
2012-10-30 11:11:08 AM  

douchebag/hater: Subby?

It's known as 'Whistle Blowing'. perhaps you've heard of it.

It's when an honest person or organization shows that another organization is breaking law.

For example, when the folks over at Veritas showed that Rep. Moran's son and campaign manager was ready to aid and abet voter fraud.


How did Obama's campaign break the law in this instance?
 
2012-10-30 11:12:10 AM  

Leeds: But that's not what this article is about. This article is about illegal foreign donations being blocked by the Romney website and accepted by the Obama website. Derp all you want but it won't magically change the topic of this thread to be about reforming the campaign finance laws. This thread is about Obama breaking those laws.


Same question as above. What laws did the Obama campaign break?
 
2012-10-30 11:12:36 AM  

theorellior: Epoch_Zero: lantawa: I am highly amused.

Is someone shaking keys?

I LOL'ed long and hard at this riposte.


That's because you're highly amused.......heh

I'm now taking the Fark politics tab Obama fanboys about as seriously as they need to be taken, which is not at all.
 
2012-10-30 11:16:38 AM  

lantawa: I'm now taking the Fark politics tab Obama fanboys about as seriously as they need to be taken, which is not at all.


That's good, Mr. Dumbfark Rhinoceros, because nobody takes you seriously anyway.
 
2012-10-30 11:20:48 AM  

garkola: Obama's campaign is accepting domestic foreign donations in direct violation of campaign finance laws.


FTFY

Or did you miss the part where they weren't actually foreign nationals donating from Pakistan and the only crime that we know has been committed in this situation is WND's fraud?
 
2012-10-30 11:21:11 AM  

Epoch_Zero: garkola: Obama's campaign is accepting foreign donations in direct violation of campaign finance laws. WND donated $20 as a test. Who's to say that someone else didn't donate $20k?

You're just asking questions.


Some say he's collected a brazilion dollars just from foreign IP addresses alone!

Some people do say that!
 
2012-10-30 11:22:05 AM  

SisterMaryElephant: Epoch_Zero: garkola: Obama's campaign is accepting foreign donations in direct violation of campaign finance laws. WND donated $20 as a test. Who's to say that someone else didn't donate $20k?

You're just asking questions.

Some say he's collected a brazilion dollars just from foreign IP addresses alone!

Some people do say that!


Terrorist fist jab!
 
2012-10-30 11:23:15 AM  

Leeds: Xai: I don't understand why donating $15 under a false name is an issue when it seems totally acceptable to donate $5m through anonymous corporations set up specifically for that purpose.

Are you one of those "children of the world" types who think that nationality is passe?

Because there is a world of difference between an American involving himself in the American electoral process and a foreigner illegally involving himself in the American electoral process.

We can argue about changing the laws if you wish, but to pretend that all humans are Americans is a ridiculous stance to take, son.


What "foreigner" involved himself in the electoral process, here?
 
2012-10-30 11:24:45 AM  

Leeds: This article is about illegal foreign donations being blocked by the Romney website and accepted by the Obama website.


Do you have a citation for that from somewhere other than WND?
 
2012-10-30 11:25:13 AM  

jso2897: What "foreigner" involved himself in the electoral process, here?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-30 11:25:22 AM  
Kangaroo_Ralph:

"Using a Pakistani Internet Protocol
Wha'ts a Pakistani Internet Protocol? - Do they mean an ip address assigned to a Pakistan location?
WND cant even get their terminology straight, and last I checked Pakistan is still considered a friendly nation (despite some internal disagreements) so a transaction from their is no different than from a military base in Afganistan or the Embassy in Iraq.

and proxy server,

I read your post thru a proxy called Fark, which serves as a message aggregator. I can't tell what ip address you were using to post the comment I an responding to. Which also brings the question, how does what Pakistani ip address you are using even show if your going thru a proxy server?
If the proxy gives an ip that is valid for the country it is being used in, is not otherwise blocked or flagged as a suspected web site, and is not itself being used in a cyber-attack; why wouldn't it be accepted?

a disposable credit card
Did it have a valid credit card number? Did WND put funds on the card before using it? Was the
transaction validated by the credit processor? If not then WND also commited credit card fraud on top of wire fraud.

and a fake address,
With a valid Zip Code, which isn't even checked if the transaction is below a specific amount from a regular credit card. And usually has no zip code to match against on a gift card.

"Osama bin Laden" has successfully donated twice to Barack Obama's presidential re-election campaign."

If they had chosen "Ronald Reagan" or "Anonymous" it's still irrelevant. They admit above they used a disposable credit card. There is no name attached to a disposable card, just an amount of money that can be charged against until that pool of money runs out.


All three of those factors would have disqualified the donation (or at least raised a red flag) for most campaigns because they have safeguards in place. But the Obama campaign labels the donor as a volunteer, and continues to ask for additional donations.

None of those factors would have disqualified the donation. They don't apply to a pre-paid credit card that is verified as having been purchased in the U.S. (by the company the card was bought from and the credit card processor)

What was the Romney campaigns response to the same donation amount from the same card?
Would it be better if the name given had been "Koch" or "Adelson" when giving an otherwise anonymous donation? Why not just give the money to one of the SuperPACs, where they don't have to disclose anything?

Do you think this is the only fraudulent or illegal donation that has been given to the Obama campaign?

Please explain how this was a fraudulent or illegal donation, given that:
1. It was made using a legally purchased credit card, and both campaigns have to use the same method of verification, which relies on a verified third party company to confirm the transaction?

2. Donations directly to a candidate are subject to monitoring under campaign finance laws, but donations to political action committees are not. Which would be easier to donate foreign money to?

3. Who would be stupid enough to spoof a donation to a politician using a traceable credit card?
(Yes, more difficult since it is pre-paid, but the location it was bought at an the amount of "credit" purchased is tracked and can be used in an investigation, especially if the card is used for more
than a single purchase).

4. Do you think campaigns should block ip addresses assigned to proxy servers?

Does it even matter to you? Would $1 billion in $199 increments from terrorists bother you?

It matters that you sound like you would rather believe the article as given rather than think about why their claims don't make sense, don't matter because of the way they went about doing the donation, and don't hold up to reality

Why would a terrorist organization want to make Visa (for instance) fifty million dollars richer by buying or using enough from pre-paid cards to make a billion dollars in payments at $200 apiece?

Ask yourself why Obama doesn't employ the same safeguards as other campaigns.

Ask yourself why you believe that they don't.


Or just stop thinking. It doesn't seem to be doing you any good.


Maybe you should start thinking. It helps cut thru the BS.
 
2012-10-30 11:26:37 AM  

Teufelaffe: Leeds: This article is about illegal foreign donations being blocked by the Romney website and accepted by the Obama website.

Do you have a citation for that from somewhere other than WND?


This is great. Now a bunch of freepers are scrambling to commit wire fraud against their own candidate.
 
2012-10-30 11:28:56 AM  

Leeds: jedikinkoid: Leeds: So you think that some Americans chip in too much money into the political system and you propose that the "fix" for this situation is to allow foreigners to buy into our election process too?

So you aren't at all concerned with thinly-veiled bribery on a grand scale as long as it's good ole 'murricans doing it, and you propose that we all join you in a round of goat buggery?

Hey, you're right, Leeds... it IS fun just making up s*** and attributing it to people you disagree with!

This article is about how Obama's donation site is insecure and allows donations from foreigners. But there are so many of you derpers pretending that this illegal activity is less of an issue than legal donations from Americans.

I get it, campaign finance reform is something that we need to revisit as a nation. But that's not what this article is about. This article is about illegal foreign donations being blocked by the Romney website and accepted by the Obama website. Derp all you want but it won't magically change the topic of this thread to be about reforming the campaign finance laws. This thread is about Obama breaking those laws.

PLEASE STOP BEING SO STUPID.


They weren't foreign donations. They were actually from here, PRETENDING to be from Pakistan.

They used a US zip code. Hell, they even admit that before proceeding to ask why the Obama site didn't pick up on their witty use of 91101 (which is Pasadena, CA).

Campaigns are required to use due diligence, but they aren't required to track down every single online donor to verify they aren't a dead terrorist mastermind.

You're upset because WND went through all this trouble to pretend they were journalists, but they did a shiatty job. If they had actually tried with both Romney and Obama's sites, rather than trusting reports that Romney's rejects similar donations, they'd have some claim to legitimacy. But they didn't.
 
2012-10-30 11:29:55 AM  

Teufelaffe: garkola: Obama's campaign is accepting domestic foreign donations in direct violation of campaign finance laws.

FTFY

Or did you miss the part where they weren't actually foreign nationals donating from Pakistan and the only crime that we know has been committed in this situation is WND's fraud?


I'm not even sure they committed any great fraud - they are American citizens, and contributed to an American election campaign. Their donation was legal - their only fraud is in claiming that the Obama campaign did anything wrong by taking it, and using a fake name.
But as the days to Obama's victory dwindle down, we can expect a lot of this desperate shiat.
They're beaten, and they know it - they're just flailing in rage, now.
 
2012-10-30 11:30:03 AM  
Well this swayed me! I am voting for Romney now!

Well it was this or the frontal lobotomy ... but definitely one of the two!
 
2012-10-30 11:32:48 AM  

douchebag/hater: Subby?

It's known as 'Whistle Blowing'. perhaps you've heard of it.

It's when an honest person or organization shows that another organization is breaking law.

For example, when the folks over at Veritas showed that Rep. Moran's son and campaign manager was ready to aid and abet voter fraud.


What about when they tried to wiretap a Senator's office?

Or selectively edited tapes to make them look more incriminating?

Or tried to get a female journalist to go onto a sailboat full of sex toys and restraints for...uh...reasons.

O'Keefe and colleagues were arrested in New Orleans in January 2010 during an attempt to make recordings at the office of United States Senator Mary Landrieu, a Democrat. His three fellow activists, who were dressed as telephone repairmen when apprehended, included Robert Flanagan, the son of William Flanagan, acting U.S. Attorney of the Eastern District of Louisiana. The four men were charged with malicious intent to damage the phone system. O'Keefe said he entered Landrieu's office to investigate complaints that she was ignoring phone calls from constituents during the debate over President Barack Obama's health care bill. The charges in the case were reduced from a felony to a single misdemeanor count of entering a federal building under false pretenses. O'Keefe and the others pleaded guilty on May 26. O'Keefe was sentenced to three years' probation, 100 hours of community service and a $1,500 fine. The other three men received lesser sentences.

Huh. They didn't fight the charges as "journalists," they just plead down to a misdemeanor.

They're practically clones of Woodward and Bernstein.
 
2012-10-30 11:33:55 AM  
Let me see if I get this straight, some right-wingers did something of questionable legality in an attempt to show that the Democrats are breaking the law, and not only failed at proving any wrong-doing on the part of the Dems, managed to help the Dems? Are we sure that the WND isn't run by O'Keefe, because he's an expert at that very thing.
 
2012-10-30 11:34:54 AM  

garkola: The blase attitude here is pretty typical of Liberals who are caught violating the law.

Obama's campaign is accepting foreign donations in direct violation of campaign finance laws. WND donated $20 as a test. Who's to say that someone else didn't donate $20k?

WND is saying that the campaign isn't even doing basic filtering of foreign donations (via IP addresses).


Since when is IP address filtering a valid and reasonable method to determine whether someone can donate?

What if you live overseas but are a US citizen? You have to go find a US proxy or simply can't vote?

Speaking of proxies, a US proxy is all that's needed to bypass this filtering.

An IP address is hardly a valid method to determine where someone is located, and it's certainly not a valid method to determine whether they can legally donate.
 
2012-10-30 11:36:14 AM  

Full Blown Jimbo: halmot: rudemix: Descent is the highest form of patriotic in action here.

What is this I don't even

That was the most unintelligible post I've ever read on Fark. Which is saying a lot.


They are both references to something a regular Farker should know.

You've only been here 6 months - you can't be expected to get every reference.

Descent is the highest form of patriotic

What is this I don't even
 
2012-10-30 11:36:15 AM  
SkittlesAreYum:
What if you live overseas but are a US citizen? You have to go find a US proxy or simply can't vote donate?
.

FTFM
 
2012-10-30 11:38:04 AM  
They probably assumed the money was from the other Osama Bin Laden. That guy is really grateful to Obama. For the last decade he's been afraid to show his face in public, can't fly on a plane, constantly being harassed by bounty hunters and the CIA. But ever since Seal Team 6 shot the Al Queda leader dead, this other Osama has had a lot more freedom to move around, and most importantly, to move on with his life.
 
2012-10-30 11:38:31 AM  
Doesn't VISA do the verification?
 
2012-10-30 11:40:20 AM  

Teufelaffe: garkola: Obama's campaign is accepting domestic foreign donations in direct violation of campaign finance laws.

FTFY

Or did you miss the part where they weren't actually foreign nationals donating from Pakistan and the only crime that we know has been committed in this situation is WND's fraud?


Romney did a few fundraisers during his overseas trip...clearly he's taking foreign donations directly from foreigners.

Oh, you mean they were American citizens living overseas? Just like the WND "investigators" essentially pretended to be with their proxy and a US zip code/US card?

Well, we really should arrest Romney, just to be safe. OUR DEMOCRACY IS AT STAKE, FOLKS.
 
2012-10-30 11:40:58 AM  
Sgt Otter:
There was a helicopter crash that killed a number of SEALs not long after the bin Laden raid. The U.S. military has REPEATEDLY stated that they were from a different SEAL platoon than the guys who killed OBL.

They would say that. It can't possibly have anything to do with Obongo replacing the Chiefs of Defense Staff with EXTREMELY TALL BLACK PANTHERS.

mije.org
 
2012-10-30 11:41:27 AM  
Nixon made donations to the Kennedy campaign under the name "Young Socialists Alliance". Seems like conservatives are just finally getting around to accepting him as their standard barer.
 
2012-10-30 11:56:39 AM  

The Only Jeff: stpauler: "911 Jihad Way"

Could they be more bigoted f*cks?

Don't think it's bigoted to associate jihad with OBL. Any more than it's bigoted to associate sunburn with redheadsnecks.


FTFY.
 
2012-10-30 11:57:10 AM  
"Ill take any motherfarker's money if he's just GIVING it away.... SHEEEEEEIIIIIIIT..."

\Clay Davis
 
2012-10-30 11:59:47 AM  
First heard about this one on the CNN/disqus threads this morning...the guy I was debating it with just kept repeating over and over "But it's a true story. It's on WND, so it's true"....I just kept laughing....
 
2012-10-30 12:01:20 PM  
go through the comments and see how many were censored edited by the mod. They will say guest

Many of the comments pointed out the hypocrisy and the intent of knowingly and willfully to deceive the POTUS. That should get you a call from the Secret Service. None violated the terms of service. fark WND. They can't even stand by and defend their own "journalists" blogger's actions.
 
2012-10-30 12:05:55 PM  
So Romney's site has a line of code "if name = "osama bin laden" then print "haha! good one!" ?
And Obama's site does not?

Is that the gist of the article?
 
2012-10-30 12:08:39 PM  
Real patriots already realized this was a potential problem when they donated to the Colbert SuperPac

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-30 12:13:51 PM  
I just donated 1 dollar to the Mitt Romney campaing while being located in Bogota, Colombia, with a Colombian credit card:

i220.photobucket.com

So yeah, Romney has no such bullshiat in place. Thank you, have a good day.
 
2012-10-30 12:18:57 PM  

corronchilejano: I just donated 1 dollar to the Mitt Romney campaing while being located in Bogota, Colombia, with a Colombian credit card:

[i220.photobucket.com image 559x380]

So yeah, Romney has no such bullshiat in place. Thank you, have a good day.


This keeps getting funnier.
 
2012-10-30 12:19:53 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Fluorescent Testicle: halmot: What is this I don't even

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 375x500]

It finally makes sense. Descent into madness.


I thought the same thing for the first time since seeing that image. Decent into the lowest common denominator truly is "The highest form of patriotic." That guy isn't a moran, he is a genus.
 
2012-10-30 12:23:05 PM  

theorellior: lantawa: I'm now taking the Fark politics tab Obama fanboys about as seriously as they need to be taken, which is not at all.

That's good, Mr. Dumbfark Rhinoceros, because nobody takes you seriously anyway.


LOL
 
2012-10-30 12:24:06 PM  

Hobodeluxe: 1. you gave money to Obama
2. you reminded people Osama is dead and Obama "got er done".
3. you pointed out the dangerous prospect of money coming from bad sources is not only totally legit but anonymous thanks to the GOP and their partisan SCOTUS


Also,
4. You committed fraud... I wonder if that will incur charges
5. You are an American company so the Obama campaign didn't accept money from a foreign source, regardless of proxy
 
2012-10-30 12:27:28 PM  
Only a Fark Libtard could read that article and think the only problem there is WND.

/Obama breaking the law means nothing to a HUTA libtard.
 
2012-10-30 12:28:00 PM  

Leeds: So you think that some Americans chip in too much money into the political system and you propose that the "fix" for this situation is to allow foreigners to buy into our election process too?


Haha! Look at you making ridiculously wacky shiat up because your opinions are so asinine and transparently dishonest that it's your only hope. Oh, conservatives. You so silly.

/ or, no, not silly... what's the word I'm looking for... hmm.. oh, right STUPID
// or dishonest
/// vile, contemptible, unscrupulous, malicious, hateful....
 
2012-10-30 12:38:47 PM  

900RR: Only a Fark Libtard could read that article and think the only problem there is WND.

/Obama breaking the law means nothing to a HUTA libtard.


What specific law did President Obama violate?
 
2012-10-30 12:42:30 PM  

udhq: Nixon made donations to the Kennedy campaign under the name "Young Socialists Alliance". Seems like conservatives are just finally getting around to accepting him as their standard barer.


Ahhh, ratfarking. Sometimes the old ways are still best.
 
2012-10-30 12:43:18 PM  

900RR: Only a Fark Libtard could read that article and think the only problem there is WND.

/Obama breaking the law means nothing to a HUTA libtard.


Shut up, HBFL.
 
2012-10-30 12:46:46 PM  
This is ridiculous. What are they trying to prove here? They lied and said they lived in California and provided a corroborating zip code. Who cares where the IP said they were? They weren't there anyway. Should we be afraid that pakistani's using osama bin laden's name will donate $20 to Obama? Why?
 
2012-10-30 12:48:22 PM  

Dimensio: 900RR: Only a Fark Libtard could read that article and think the only problem there is WND.

/Obama breaking the law means nothing to a HUTA libtard.

What specific law did President Obama violate?


Damn Obama and his subversive web development skills!!!!
 
2012-10-30 12:53:28 PM  

900RR: Only a Fark Libtard could read that article and think the only problem there is WND.

/Obama breaking the law means nothing to a HUTA libtard.


Except Obama didn't break the law here. In fact, no one may have. This was a legal donation from a legal donor. There is nothing illegal about a legal, American donor donating from a foreign country.
Since the donation was under $200, the fake name, while childish and asinine, is probably not a serious criminal matter - and as it has already been proven in this thread, Romney's campaign also takes donations from foreign sources.
Nothing. You haz it.
 
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