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2012-10-30 03:19:09 AM  
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simplicimus: Spread out between parts of Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey

And so it begins.


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Yup. These areas are strongly delineated from Persian/Arab populations outside. They often don't self-identify with their host nation and the nation they're within the borders of may have little government presence inside a Kurdish region. Then again, it's not like the Iraqi government has a lot of presence much of anywhere within Iraq.

They may not care where the border is, either. Might not even know. "It's all Kurdistan here".

The thing to note about the map about is the Kurdish areas of each nation are CONTIGUOUS. As such, it seems simple and practical to many that it should be a nation. A no-brainer. But that's so realistic that all these nations take it as a realistic threat- they'd lose territory, influence, economic interests if the area were to secede.

As such, merely using the name "Kurdistan" is inflammatory language, in some places.

Also, if say Turkey and Iraq let them secede, and Iran and Syria said no, well, a war is inevitable. And that war could not end with simply defeating the Kurdish forces in that country, nothing would change, the incorporated areas of Kurdistan would simply send more troops at a later date. This would ONLY end with either the destruction of Kurdistan as a nation and annexation by someone else, or the utter genocide of Kurds within the country that won't let them secede.

Genocide and basically driving people out is rarely pointlessly "mean". If Syria for example doesn't want to lose their northeast horn simply because Kurds want to take that part of the nation with them based on the claim that they live there, well, if you drive them out, then they don't live there anymore and their claim ends.
2012-10-30 03:01:29 AM  
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Richard Saunders: I still have a problem with how the U.S. (my much beloved country) has encouraged the Kurds to rebel yet whenever they have, we seemingly abandon them. Is my perception inaccurate?


From my 40 year perspective, if we arm and train some downtrodden population we catch righteous shiat for it. If we don't, we catch righteous shiat for it. If we skip the arming and training, and just do the fighting ourselves, we catch righteous shiat for it. There will always be some large segment of some interest group which considers the U.S. satan, no matter what happens.
2012-10-29 10:53:15 PM  
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I still have a problem with how the U.S. (my much beloved country) has encouraged the Kurds to rebel yet whenever they have, we seemingly abandon them. Is my perception inaccurate?

Now, there's some smartass Farkers 'round here. There's also some very smart and informed Farkers.

I can deal with the former, would prefer to hear from, look forward to learning from the latter. 

/not the brightest crayon in the knife drawer
//not the dumbest either
///i truly do not like being ignorant
2012-10-30 06:58:46 AM  
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AverageAmericanGuy: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: AverageAmericanGuy: Maybe if these Middle Eastern cultures could realize that clan membership is worthless and oppression of each other benefits neither. We don't need another Israel-style oppressed and agitated minority. Much better would be to have these Kurds integrate into the countries they have citizenship and for those countries to provide them the full rights and privileges of citizens.


Oh yeah, it's totally just a Middle Eastern thing.

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That, or you're a bit racist.
2012-10-30 03:34:44 AM  
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AverageAmericanGuy: Maybe if these Middle Eastern cultures could realize that clan membership is worthless and oppression of each other benefits neither. We don't need another Israel-style oppressed and agitated minority. Much better would be to have these Kurds integrate into the countries they have citizenship and for those countries to provide them the full rights and privileges of citizens.


There are deep cultural divides between the Kurds and their largely Arab and Persian neighbors. Much of the time, the Kurds don't even speak the same language, preferring to speak Kurdish. Are you saying their should give up their language for the privilege of integrating into the dominant culture? Or are you the person that's going to go around and convince Iraq, Turkey, Syria, and Iran to adopt more Canadian-style bilingual governments for the benefit of the Kurds?
2012-10-30 02:59:26 AM  
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Richard Saunders: I still have a problem with how the U.S. (my much beloved country) has encouraged the Kurds to rebel yet whenever they have, we seemingly abandon them. Is my perception inaccurate?


Kurds are like any other minority - we only care about them when we need to in order to advance US interests. Remember the PKK is a terrorist group because they fight for power in Turkey while the PJAK is a group of freedom fighters because they fight for power in Iran.

The US has no real interest in the Kurds outside of what they can do for us.
2012-10-30 02:47:24 AM  
1 votes:
Turkey isn't going to like this one bit.
2012-10-29 08:53:26 PM  
1 votes:
Spread out between parts of Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey

And so it begins.
 
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