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(Gizmodo)   Obvious: The NYC subway system has over 700 pumps to help keep the tunnels from flooding. Interesting: They will pump out 13MM gallons of water on a sunny day. Scary: Many of them date from the construction of the Panama Canal. In 1914   (gizmodo.com) divider line 34
    More: Scary, Panama Canal, metro, New York, drainage systems, East River, 125th Street, floods, construction  
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2012-10-29 05:14:12 PM  
11 votes:
What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.
2012-10-29 10:42:01 PM  
6 votes:
No... not scary...

In the Panama canal construction era, the design methodology centered around "big pieces of metal that get sh*t done". Not "elegant" or "sustainable" or "polished".
2012-10-29 10:58:40 PM  
4 votes:
Maybe it's like this broom my family's had since the 1800s. Never replaced it in its entirely life; have only had to replace the handle twice and the head three times.

Man, we love that broom.
2012-10-30 12:28:57 AM  
2 votes:
Nero fiddled while Rome burned. While NYC flooded, farkers argued about measurement standards.
2012-10-29 11:20:19 PM  
2 votes:
The infrastructure in New York City is one of the greatest accomplishments in this country. Built 100-150 years ago and still running. When all that falls apart and we're too busy bickering over politics and giving reconstruction jobs to the cheapest possible bids, NYC will be in pretty bad shape.
2012-10-29 10:59:26 PM  
2 votes:
Subby; you don't deal with machinery much, do you? You realize that pumping technology hasn't changed much, right? And that they rebuild them, put new motors, etc?
2012-10-29 10:45:39 PM  
2 votes:

wildcardjack: Asa Phelps: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.

Oh, I bet the motors are original as well. They really built shiat to last. None of this "20 year lifespan" crap.


please
moving parts is moving parts
we can bet dimes to donuts that these pumps have been rebuilt and maintained for the last 100 years.
Probably not a scrap of the original pump left, other than the housing and rotor.

Seriously, no matter how much grease and loving care, how long do you think bearings last???
LOL
2012-10-29 10:43:45 PM  
2 votes:
Earlier the weather channel had a guy on the phone, I want to say the NYC director of FEMA but don't quote me on that since I was only half paying attention to his title. He basically said that the reason they shut everything down in advance of the storm was that this way they can hopefully start the systems back up without nearly as much damage as if they'd left everything on to get flooded during operation.

From the info coming in now, I hope that's accurate, because they're gonna have a hell of a cleanup in the next weeks/months.
2012-10-29 10:42:15 PM  
2 votes:
queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

THIS, just because something is old doesn't mean it sucks, I mean there are bridges built by the Romans still in use. How many of our new bridges built today will look as good when 2000 years of age they reach
2012-10-29 09:50:50 PM  
2 votes:
You'd think the flooding wouldn't be a problem since Tebow brought his sucking to New York.
2012-10-29 09:11:25 PM  
2 votes:
Heh. Turns out Gizmodo could've used some of those ancient pumps.


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2012-10-30 08:39:28 AM  
1 votes:
MM = M x M = 1000 x 1000 = 1,000,000. Using Roman numerals incorrectly is fun!
2012-10-30 07:06:37 AM  
1 votes:

Malicious Bastard: If those assholes would just spend a dollar more, the equipment they design would last forever.


How can they make you buy another in 3 years then? If you sell an indestructible widget, eventually everyone will have a widget, and none of them will ever need replacing, and then you go out of business because everyone just passes around their old ones.

/These assholes know how to stay in business is all.
2012-10-30 03:26:35 AM  
1 votes:

gibbon1: One of my professors consulted on the rebuilding of a steam turbine on an old Navy ship. Thing had been running continuously for 40 years. The turbine blades were of course shot. Measurements of the bearings showed no wear, none. They knew this because they had the old QA records from when it was shipped out the door. Essentially oil fed journal bearings never wear out as long as they are fed with clean filtered oil.


Most people don't appreciate industrial quality hardware.
We're surrounded by shiatty consumer crap that, even if it was designed for regular maintanence,
would still be constructed with bits and pieces that are *intended to fail* once the warranty period ends.

I'd love to buy just one fan made out of metal, with farking bearings instead of those bronze bushings.
But everything these days is made-in-china crap with farking plastic in areas that will wear.
If those assholes would just spend a dollar more, the equipment they design would last forever.
2012-10-30 12:22:22 AM  
1 votes:
Umm, hello? How is this even up for debate. We all know what MM stands for...
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2012-10-30 12:13:10 AM  
1 votes:

namatad: Seminorm Null: Yeah, did you read the rest of my post?

MUCH more importantly.
The rest of the universe uses a mutually agreed on set of conventions to be able to communicate.
This because doubly important when you are communicating with people outside of a given narrow field.

So while snooty bankers might talk about MM this and QE that, the rest of us use generic standards.


As has been shown, it's more than just snooty bankers that use MM to mean one million. If you had a more expansive knowledge base you would have known this. Your ignorance does not get to dictate how others more knowledgable than you communicate.
2012-10-29 11:53:32 PM  
1 votes:

Thingster: Agree with above posts.

Head is head, flow is flow. New motors are likely more efficient, but pumps are pumps.


Well if she's having lots of flow, head is all you can hope for.
2012-10-29 11:36:12 PM  
1 votes:
2012-10-29 11:30:54 PM  
1 votes:
Andrew Sullivan's Tweet roundup is pretty fascinating/scary. He just moved to NYC from DC a few weeks ago.

A few "highlights":

- MTA: Water entering all Lower Manhattan under river tubes.

- Current water level at The Battery is 13.34 feet. That is beyond record territory, we're in the "downright ridiculous" surge zone now.

- Chaos reported in Jersey City, multiple building collapses

- East river has encroached about two long blocks into Long Island City

- Governor Cuomo confirms cars are floating in Lower Manhattan

- World Trade Center, which has been the only beacon of light in Lower Manhattan tonight, just went dark.
2012-10-29 11:21:19 PM  
1 votes:

LawrencePerson: Some pics of the flooding.


1. Thank you. Those are fascinating and terrifying.
2. That said, this is the internet, it's amazing subject matter, why are photos so small?
3. Again, terrifying and fascinating - why do people feel the need to instagram?
4. Finally, what the hell are people still doing there taking pictures?
2012-10-29 11:19:59 PM  
1 votes:

namatad: wildcardjack: Asa Phelps: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.

Oh, I bet the motors are original as well. They really built shiat to last. None of this "20 year lifespan" crap.

please
moving parts is moving parts
we can bet dimes to donuts that these pumps have been rebuilt and maintained for the last 100 years.
Probably not a scrap of the original pump left, other than the housing and rotor.

Seriously, no matter how much grease and loving care, how long do you think bearings last???
LOL


It's all ball bearings nowadays.

i.imgur.com
2012-10-29 11:15:19 PM  
1 votes:

Oldiron_79: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

THIS, just because something is old doesn't mean it sucks, I mean there are bridges built by the Romans still in use. How many of our new bridges built today will look as good when 2000 years of age they reach


Well the problem with most modern designs is we want more out of them and we want them cheaper. So instead of building a big heavy steel bridge, we build a light suspension bridge with as few cables and as thin of a deck as we can get away with. Same problem with cars, lighter material, more complicated electronics means more shiat to wear out.

Personally I'd feel reassured about well maintained pumps from anytime before about 1970 as they are big heavy pieces of steel with few electronics. Sure they probably need 6-10 men to operate and constant supervision, but hey they work.
2012-10-29 11:08:07 PM  
1 votes:
I guess Gawker should move their hosts out to the Amazon S3 or something
2012-10-29 11:03:55 PM  
1 votes:
bristle.files.wordpress.com

"You wanna know the most interesting thing about the 700 tunnel pumps?"

"Sure Jerry."

"The valves! They pump out over 13 Million gallons of water every day."

"Is that right Jerry?"

"Did you know they were made here in NYC in 1914?"

"I did not know that, Jerry."
2012-10-29 11:02:28 PM  
1 votes:

Oldiron_79: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

THIS, just because something is old doesn't mean it sucks, I mean there are bridges built by the Romans still in use. How many of our new bridges built today will look as good when 2000 years of age they reach


They're pumps. They're supposed to suck. Let's hope they suck long and hard.
2012-10-29 11:00:53 PM  
1 votes:
Laws of physics must have changed in the last 100 years, or at least since Ayn Rand.
2012-10-29 10:53:08 PM  
1 votes:

lenfromak: KarmicDisaster: Mega Million?
Meters squared?
millimeters?

MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand.


Since when? And show your units.
2012-10-29 10:49:29 PM  
1 votes:
"MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand."
Only for dipshiats who no clue about ISO standards.
K = 10**3
M = 10**6
G = 10**9
T
P
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2012-10-29 10:47:53 PM  
1 votes:
There was no such thing as planned obsolescence back then.

/I'm looking at you Caterpillar.
2012-10-29 10:46:28 PM  
1 votes:

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Well, let's hope they keep working.

Did anyone warn the mole people who live in the tunnels?


I tried to, but I'm not allowed within 50 ft of miners.
2012-10-29 10:44:43 PM  
1 votes:
pumps aren't very complicated machines. these pumps are built with big solid pieces of steel and are maintained regularly. they will be working in the subway system for 500 or 1000 years if maintained.
2012-10-29 10:43:31 PM  
1 votes:

Asa Phelps: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.


You're assuming the 98 year old pump has anything more modern than a 105-year old engine turning it, for starters.
2012-10-29 09:12:13 PM  
1 votes:

queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.


This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.
2012-10-29 08:51:28 PM  
1 votes:

Dead for Tax Reasons: KarmicDisaster: Mega Million?
Meters squared?
millimeters?

13 megamillions? How many is that in powerballs?


To figure that out, you have to convert them both to lottos.
 
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