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(Gizmodo)   Obvious: The NYC subway system has over 700 pumps to help keep the tunnels from flooding. Interesting: They will pump out 13MM gallons of water on a sunny day. Scary: Many of them date from the construction of the Panama Canal. In 1914   (gizmodo.com) divider line 140
    More: Scary, Panama Canal, metro, New York, drainage systems, East River, 125th Street, floods, construction  
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2012-10-30 12:04:03 AM
I remember the gallon. But then again, I also know how to use a slide rule.
 
2012-10-30 12:05:42 AM

Seminorm Null: Yeah, did you read the rest of my post?


MUCH more importantly.
The rest of the universe uses a mutually agreed on set of conventions to be able to communicate.
This because doubly important when you are communicating with people outside of a given narrow field.

So while snooty bankers might talk about MM this and QE that, the rest of us use generic standards.
 
2012-10-30 12:06:59 AM

davebarnes: "MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand."
Only for dipshiats who no clue about ISO standards.
K = 10**3
M = 10**6
G = 10**9
T
P
E


Fark you, this is America!

M - Millions
K - Thousands
MM - Mega Millions!

READ IT AND WEEP!
 
2012-10-30 12:13:10 AM

namatad: Seminorm Null: Yeah, did you read the rest of my post?

MUCH more importantly.
The rest of the universe uses a mutually agreed on set of conventions to be able to communicate.
This because doubly important when you are communicating with people outside of a given narrow field.

So while snooty bankers might talk about MM this and QE that, the rest of us use generic standards.


As has been shown, it's more than just snooty bankers that use MM to mean one million. If you had a more expansive knowledge base you would have known this. Your ignorance does not get to dictate how others more knowledgable than you communicate.
 
2012-10-30 12:15:24 AM

davebarnes: "MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand."
Only for dipshiats who no clue about ISO standards.
K = 10**3
M = 10**6
G = 10**9
T
P
E

....

Yes, because everyone who isn't a complete loser dumbass is intimately familiar with ISO 9001 standards, as well as Six Sigma, right?

Get bent, you sanctimonious douchebag.
 
mjg
2012-10-30 12:16:07 AM
Can't wait to check out my storage space on South Street at Manhattan Mini Storage. Probably will have to wait for the knuckle-draggers to get in the building in two days.

/yeah, my 'storage insurance' probably won't cover "acts of god"
//losers
 
2012-10-30 12:20:11 AM

namatad: Seminorm Null: Yeah, did you read the rest of my post?

MUCH more importantly.
The rest of the universe uses a mutually agreed on set of conventions to be able to communicate.
This because doubly important when you are communicating with people outside of a given narrow field.

So while snooty bankers might talk about MM this and QE that, the rest of us use generic standards.


I can't speak to what the bankers use, I was just pointing out common, real-world uses where people might have seen this before (even though for the 11th time yes I agree it is stupid). MMbbl and MMBtu are actually pretty common...I was just throwing that out there. People seemed to be taking a general tone of "OMG I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS AND I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT" rather than "Yeah there are definitely still some old goofy conventions that are still around."

Again, I'll be the first to admit that it is goofy, esoteric, archaic, obtuse, whatever but nevertheless it does exist. That's all I'm saying. And while we're at it, when they do use MMbbl for millions of barrels, why the hell are there two b's for barrel? That's what it is though. If you guys all want to freak out over it go ahead...

Like with the relatively common abbreviation of "No." for number that we use even though English doesn't have an "o" in number (I assume it is from Latin "numero" or something but I'm not sure).. There are countless places you could look and see a "No. 1" instead of "Number 1" or "# 1"...is that worth freaking out over too? We have all/mostly mutually agreed to use English here but yet you could still use "No. 1" to mean "Number 1" in a Fark headline/post or in advertising or whatever and it would still be perfectly clear. It does not eliminate anyone's communication abilities.
 
2012-10-30 12:20:26 AM

namatad: Seriously, no matter how much grease and loving care, how long do you think bearings last???


One of my professors consulted on the rebuilding of a steam turbine on an old Navy ship. Thing had been running continuously for 40 years. The turbine blades were of course shot. Measurements of the bearings showed no wear, none. They knew this because they had the old QA records from when it was shipped out the door. Essentially oil fed journal bearings never wear out as long as they are fed with clean filtered oil.
 
2012-10-30 12:22:22 AM
Umm, hello? How is this even up for debate. We all know what MM stands for...
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-30 12:24:15 AM
Pumps haven't been updated since 1914???

This is why you can't have nice things. The local government keep spending all the taxpayer money o n deadbeats, bums, perpetually "disabled", single Moms, welfare addicts, illegal aliens, druggies, welfare and WIC scammers, etc etc etc

Nut no money for actual infrastructure needs.

Great way to run a big city.

/buy a Big Gulp on the way outa town
 
2012-10-30 12:25:38 AM
I'm starting to think things must be winding down, considering the arguing over semantics of millions in here, and the tropical storm vs. hurricane vs. cyclone thing in the other thread. Must be that time when people are tired of being excited about it.
 
2012-10-30 12:27:53 AM

2words1finger: Yes, because everyone who isn't a complete loser dumbass is intimately familiar with ISO 9001 standards, as well as Six Sigma, right?


9001? That's quality management. 80000 is unit standards. I'm with you on the sanctimonious douchebag part, though.
 
2012-10-30 12:28:57 AM
Nero fiddled while Rome burned. While NYC flooded, farkers argued about measurement standards.
 
2012-10-30 12:33:05 AM

gibbon1: namatad: Seriously, no matter how much grease and loving care, how long do you think bearings last???

One of my professors consulted on the rebuilding of a steam turbine on an old Navy ship. Thing had been running continuously for 40 years. The turbine blades were of course shot. Measurements of the bearings showed no wear, none. They knew this because they had the old QA records from when it was shipped out the door. Essentially oil fed journal bearings never wear out as long as they are fed with clean filtered oil.


holy crap batman
1) you forgot CSB, and that was
2) I wonder what the chance of that being for these pumps? LOL Who knows, maybe after having to replace a couple, they quickly learned that it was MUCH cheaper to keep things running right in the first place.
 
2012-10-30 12:33:52 AM

HoratioGates: Nero fiddled while Rome burned. While NYC flooded, farkers argued about measurement standards.


sigh
we are very happy here
 
2012-10-30 12:35:15 AM

LawrencePerson: Some pics of the flooding.


Thank God everyone in NY uses Instagram so it looks like flooding from the 1960's.
 
2012-10-30 12:36:52 AM
queezyweezel [TotalFark]

What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then.

Amen, brother. You're getting a lot of luv for that post, all deserved. Those pumps will die when the sun flickers out.
 
2012-10-30 12:38:31 AM

gibbon1: namatad: Seriously, no matter how much grease and loving care, how long do you think bearings last???

One of my professors consulted on the rebuilding of a steam turbine on an old Navy ship. Thing had been running continuously for 40 years. The turbine blades were of course shot. Measurements of the bearings showed no wear, none. They knew this because they had the old QA records from when it was shipped out the door. Essentially oil fed journal bearings never wear out as long as they are fed with clean filtered oil.


In ideal conditions that would make sense - the friction boundary layer is provided by the oil, not the bearing. Keep replacing the oil and the bearings won't wear out. You'd have to be pretty goddamn religious about it, though.
 
2012-10-30 12:40:46 AM

Big Merl: Umm, hello? How is this even up for debate. We all know what MM stands for...
[upload.wikimedia.org image 280x212]


upload.wikimedia.org

Slim Shady
 
2012-10-30 12:44:04 AM
Hey, is this the thread where I show off my mad tech skills and knowledge of SI by ripping on other systems of notation?

/SI is for people who can't do math beyond moving a decimal point left or right
 
2012-10-30 01:03:36 AM

davebarnes: "MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand."
Only for dipshiats who no clue about ISO standards.
K = 10**3
M = 10**6
G = 10**9
T
P
E


To be specific, k = 10**3 and K = 1024
 
2012-10-30 01:18:19 AM
1.bp.blogspot.comassets.inhabitat.com

Better sandbag the memorial- in case it, you know, fills up.
 
2012-10-30 01:19:11 AM

Big Merl: Umm, hello? How is this even up for debate. We all know what MM stands for...
[upload.wikimedia.org image 280x212]


www.wired.com
 
2012-10-30 01:26:31 AM
Scary: Many of them date from the construction of the Panama Canal. In 1914

Perhaps someone should point out to subby that plenty of things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL still work just fine. Like, oh....for example, THE PANAMA CANAL. Perhaps subby could have considered that when putting THE PANAMA CANAL, a thing that still works, in a headline implying that things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL won't work today.

Unlike Gawker's website. I guess massive amounts of javascript isn't waterproof, aye? Haha, suck it, noscript hates you.

/THE PANAMA CANAL
 
2012-10-30 01:27:21 AM

Emposter: Scary: Many of them date from the construction of the Panama Canal. In 1914

Perhaps someone should point out to subby that plenty of things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL still work just fine. Like, oh....for example, THE PANAMA CANAL. Perhaps subby could have considered that when putting THE PANAMA CANAL, a thing that still works, in a headline implying that things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL won't work today.

Unlike Gawker's website. I guess massive amounts of javascript isn't waterproof, aye? Haha, suck it, noscript hates you.

/THE PANAMA CANAL


Wow, you must really like THE PANAMA CANAL.
 
2012-10-30 01:41:30 AM

Meethos: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

What country are you from that abbreviates "thousand" with a "T"?


Some people call it "my own little world" ...
 
2012-10-30 01:46:04 AM

RedPhoenix122: Emposter: Scary: Many of them date from the construction of the Panama Canal. In 1914

Perhaps someone should point out to subby that plenty of things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL still work just fine. Like, oh....for example, THE PANAMA CANAL. Perhaps subby could have considered that when putting THE PANAMA CANAL, a thing that still works, in a headline implying that things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL won't work today.

Unlike Gawker's website. I guess massive amounts of javascript isn't waterproof, aye? Haha, suck it, noscript hates you.

/THE PANAMA CANAL

Wow, you must really like THE PANAMA CANAL.


WHAT?
 
2012-10-30 02:00:22 AM

tuna fingers: StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.

Then what's the "G" for?

[media.soletron.com image 400x267]


Because, pimpin' easy but it's necessary?
 
2012-10-30 02:05:17 AM

RedPhoenix122: Emposter: Scary: Many of them date from the construction of the Panama Canal. In 1914

Perhaps someone should point out to subby that plenty of things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL still work just fine. Like, oh....for example, THE PANAMA CANAL. Perhaps subby could have considered that when putting THE PANAMA CANAL, a thing that still works, in a headline implying that things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL won't work today.

Unlike Gawker's website. I guess massive amounts of javascript isn't waterproof, aye? Haha, suck it, noscript hates you.

/THE PANAMA CANAL

Wow, you must really like THE PANAMA CANAL.


Just recently watched the episode about it on Extreme Engineering. It's pretty awesome.
 
2012-10-30 03:22:20 AM

KarmicDisaster: Mega Million?
Meters squared?
millimeters?


upload.wikimedia.orgcdn.cosbysweaters.com
 
2012-10-30 03:26:35 AM

gibbon1: One of my professors consulted on the rebuilding of a steam turbine on an old Navy ship. Thing had been running continuously for 40 years. The turbine blades were of course shot. Measurements of the bearings showed no wear, none. They knew this because they had the old QA records from when it was shipped out the door. Essentially oil fed journal bearings never wear out as long as they are fed with clean filtered oil.


Most people don't appreciate industrial quality hardware.
We're surrounded by shiatty consumer crap that, even if it was designed for regular maintanence,
would still be constructed with bits and pieces that are *intended to fail* once the warranty period ends.

I'd love to buy just one fan made out of metal, with farking bearings instead of those bronze bushings.
But everything these days is made-in-china crap with farking plastic in areas that will wear.
If those assholes would just spend a dollar more, the equipment they design would last forever.
 
2012-10-30 05:59:00 AM

Gyrfalcon: Asa Phelps: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.

You're assuming the 98 year old pump has anything more modern than a 105-year old engine turning it, for starters.


Eh, Dad's got a hundred year old steam engine in his basement that works just fine.

Better than some cars I've owned, frankly...
 
2012-10-30 06:16:39 AM

On The Wrong Throne: [d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net image 600x600]

5 hours ago.

/hope it posts!


DAMMIT TO HELL!

Link
 
2012-10-30 06:42:15 AM
Amazing that our grandparents had the foresight to build pumping stations to handle the effects of todays Global Warming Climate Change.
 
2012-10-30 07:06:37 AM

Malicious Bastard: If those assholes would just spend a dollar more, the equipment they design would last forever.


How can they make you buy another in 3 years then? If you sell an indestructible widget, eventually everyone will have a widget, and none of them will ever need replacing, and then you go out of business because everyone just passes around their old ones.

/These assholes know how to stay in business is all.
 
2012-10-30 08:22:13 AM
A tunnel, a flood, a canal, Panama!
 
2012-10-30 08:39:28 AM
MM = M x M = 1000 x 1000 = 1,000,000. Using Roman numerals incorrectly is fun!
 
2012-10-30 09:12:39 AM

queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.


It is true that they built things to last back then. On the other hand back in the day those pumps were built the phrase "can't somebody else do it" probably didn't exist when it came to maintenance of such machines. So back in the day regular maintenance wouldn't have been an issue. I am not sure I would be comfortable saying the same thing today.
 
2012-10-30 10:07:40 AM
I would be more worried if the pumps had "made in China" written on them than their age.

If the subways are flooding that bad be prepared for the inevitable rat plague as they all forced out of their normal areas
 
2012-10-30 02:13:02 PM
connect to upstream server failed

Host: gizmodo.com

Url: /5955689/sandy-could-really-flood-the-new-york-subway-system


Uh, yeah, really.
 
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