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(Gizmodo)   Obvious: The NYC subway system has over 700 pumps to help keep the tunnels from flooding. Interesting: They will pump out 13MM gallons of water on a sunny day. Scary: Many of them date from the construction of the Panama Canal. In 1914   (gizmodo.com) divider line 140
    More: Scary, Panama Canal, metro, New York, drainage systems, East River, 125th Street, floods, construction  
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2012-10-29 11:08:07 PM
I guess Gawker should move their hosts out to the Amazon S3 or something
 
2012-10-29 11:10:21 PM
 
2012-10-29 11:11:40 PM
the pumps and backup pumps to clear the systems out are going to be clogged with dead hobos..

/tidal wave of dead hobos i say!
 
2012-10-29 11:12:19 PM
They will pump out 13MM gallons of water on a sunny day.

But how many gallons will need to be pumped out?
 
2012-10-29 11:15:19 PM

Oldiron_79: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

THIS, just because something is old doesn't mean it sucks, I mean there are bridges built by the Romans still in use. How many of our new bridges built today will look as good when 2000 years of age they reach


Well the problem with most modern designs is we want more out of them and we want them cheaper. So instead of building a big heavy steel bridge, we build a light suspension bridge with as few cables and as thin of a deck as we can get away with. Same problem with cars, lighter material, more complicated electronics means more shiat to wear out.

Personally I'd feel reassured about well maintained pumps from anytime before about 1970 as they are big heavy pieces of steel with few electronics. Sure they probably need 6-10 men to operate and constant supervision, but hey they work.
 
2012-10-29 11:15:38 PM

LawrencePerson: Some pics of the flooding.


love the last one...lutz
 
2012-10-29 11:19:55 PM

KarmicDisaster: Mega Million?
Meters squared?
millimeters?


MM
 
2012-10-29 11:19:59 PM

namatad: wildcardjack: Asa Phelps: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.

Oh, I bet the motors are original as well. They really built shiat to last. None of this "20 year lifespan" crap.

please
moving parts is moving parts
we can bet dimes to donuts that these pumps have been rebuilt and maintained for the last 100 years.
Probably not a scrap of the original pump left, other than the housing and rotor.

Seriously, no matter how much grease and loving care, how long do you think bearings last???
LOL


It's all ball bearings nowadays.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-29 11:20:19 PM
The infrastructure in New York City is one of the greatest accomplishments in this country. Built 100-150 years ago and still running. When all that falls apart and we're too busy bickering over politics and giving reconstruction jobs to the cheapest possible bids, NYC will be in pretty bad shape.
 
2012-10-29 11:21:19 PM

LawrencePerson: Some pics of the flooding.


1. Thank you. Those are fascinating and terrifying.
2. That said, this is the internet, it's amazing subject matter, why are photos so small?
3. Again, terrifying and fascinating - why do people feel the need to instagram?
4. Finally, what the hell are people still doing there taking pictures?
 
2012-10-29 11:25:13 PM
In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.
 
2012-10-29 11:25:15 PM
I'm not scared of Panama Canal technology. It works.

Look at our modern government who cannot even balance a budget. THAT does not work.
 
2012-10-29 11:25:40 PM
When I abbreviate million I always use a single M, as in "$19M = $19,000,000". I always us K for thousands, "$19K = $19,000. Thought that was pretty clear and that's what I've generally seen.

Isn't using MM for million some sort of British wanker thing?
 
2012-10-29 11:27:48 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.


I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.
 
2012-10-29 11:29:03 PM
I always had the understanding that M was used everywhere but for accounting, where MM was the accepted usage.
 
2012-10-29 11:29:45 PM

mr lawson: LawrencePerson: Some pics of the flooding.

love the last one...lutz


Related

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

/looks legit
 
2012-10-29 11:30:02 PM

StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.


P.S. When I've seen "T" used, it signified "tons". And "K" and "T" together for "Kilotons".
 
2012-10-29 11:30:25 PM

Marine1: 36 links since Sunday on Sandy.

We get it. You're getting rain and heavy winds and shiat's getting farked up. It's called inclement weather.


It's New York. The most important city in the world.

Or, it's pretty interesting to see a city that large perform evacuations, and emergency preparedness. It rivals some small countries for population and mileage, so it's no small task, and such an undertaking interests many people because there are many facets.

Plus it's New York, the most important city in the universe.

Ever.
 
2012-10-29 11:30:54 PM
Andrew Sullivan's Tweet roundup is pretty fascinating/scary. He just moved to NYC from DC a few weeks ago.

A few "highlights":

- MTA: Water entering all Lower Manhattan under river tubes.

- Current water level at The Battery is 13.34 feet. That is beyond record territory, we're in the "downright ridiculous" surge zone now.

- Chaos reported in Jersey City, multiple building collapses

- East river has encroached about two long blocks into Long Island City

- Governor Cuomo confirms cars are floating in Lower Manhattan

- World Trade Center, which has been the only beacon of light in Lower Manhattan tonight, just went dark.
 
2012-10-29 11:31:23 PM

queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.


More reliable and take less power to run.
 
2012-10-29 11:31:34 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.


And 6 MM will buy you one of these:

borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-29 11:32:22 PM
To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).

If you are looking up oil reserves in a particular field or oil production of a specific facility you will probably see units of MMbbl or MMbbl/d (millions of barrels or millions of barrels per day), it is not uncommon to see the price of natural gas listed in units of $/MMBtu (dollars per million British thermal units), etc.

On the other hand, with water flow often the units will be in MGD where just the one M means million (million gallons per day, although rarely you will see MMgal with two Ms), so...not saying it is the greatest or most consistent convention (it clearly is not) but it does exist in the real world and we haven't broken science yet so please remain calm.
 
2012-10-29 11:33:05 PM

StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.


Then what's the "G" for?

media.soletron.com
 
2012-10-29 11:33:31 PM
Can we flood Los Angeles next? We need a good scrubbing out here too. q
 
2012-10-29 11:33:52 PM

StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.


Maybe it's just something I use when I take notes ... But yeah, now that you mention it ... K, kilo, etc.

/backing slowly out of the room now ..
 
2012-10-29 11:34:35 PM
Agree with above posts.

Head is head, flow is flow. New motors are likely more efficient, but pumps are pumps.
 
2012-10-29 11:35:44 PM
While I've read some idiot is trying to blame this on gay marrage, I think if anything God is punishing NY because of that whole 16oz soda law.

/God really digs big gulps
//And Mt Dew slurpees
///Stay safe east coast farkers
 
2012-10-29 11:35:59 PM

Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).


That is so very wrong. MM is 2000.
In Latin, 1000 is mille. So a thousand thousands can be MM, but that is by no means Roman Numeric.
 
2012-10-29 11:36:12 PM
 
2012-10-29 11:36:18 PM

tuna fingers: StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.

Then what's the "G" for?

[media.soletron.com image 400x267]


Gravitational force equal to the Earth's pull at sea level? Dammit, Tuna Fingers, I'm just a country scientist, not a rapper.
 
2012-10-29 11:36:52 PM
drewblood.com
 
2012-10-29 11:37:01 PM

StopLurkListen: StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.

P.S. When I've seen "T" used, it signified "tons". And "K" and "T" together for "KilotonsKnots".


/runs
 
2012-10-29 11:37:03 PM

Seamer: Maybe it's like this broom my family's had since the 1800s. Never replaced it in its entirely life; have only had to replace the handle twice and the head three times.

Man, we love that broom.


iseewhatyoudidthere.psd
 
2012-10-29 11:37:59 PM

tuna fingers: Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).


That is so very wrong. MM is 2000.
In Latin, 1000 is mille. So a thousand thousands can be MM, but that is by no means Roman Numeric.


I'm not saying I like it or that it's great, personally I think it is stupid, I was just pointing out it exists in the real world. I didn't invent the convention.
 
2012-10-29 11:39:01 PM

lohphat: StopLurkListen: StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.

P.S. When I've seen "T" used, it signified "tons". And "K" and "T" together for "KilotonsKnots".

/runs


i101.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-29 11:40:32 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.


What country are you from that abbreviates "thousand" with a "T"?
 
2012-10-29 11:40:51 PM

tuna fingers: Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).


That is so very wrong. MM is 2000.
In Latin, 1000 is mille. So a thousand thousands can be MM, but that is by no means Roman Numeric.


Are you sure? I know an expert on this stuff. I'll check with her when Gossip Girl is over.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-29 11:41:35 PM

Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).

If you are looking up oil reserves in a particular field or oil production of a specific facility you will probably see units of MMbbl or MMbbl/d (millions of barrels or millions of barrels per day), it is not uncommon to see the price of natural gas listed in units of $/MMBtu (dollars per million British thermal units), etc.

On the other hand, with water flow often the units will be in MGD where just the one M means million (million gallons per day, although rarely you will see MMgal with two Ms), so...not saying it is the greatest or most consistent convention (it clearly is not) but it does exist in the real world and we haven't broken science yet so please remain calm.


Mechanical engineers' sad devotion to that ancient numerical system has not helped anyone in this thread, or given them clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fortress.
 
2012-10-29 11:42:21 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7406915/80352669#c80352669" target="_blank">JPINFV</a>:</b> <i>Can we flood Los Angeles next? We need a good scrubbing out here too. q</i>

I'm definitely praying for a tidal wave.


/venice beach
//my neighbors can all come here and hang on the roof while things are getting flushed away
 
2012-10-29 11:45:05 PM

max_pooper:
Mechanical engineers' sad devotion to that ancient numerical system has not helped anyone in this thread, or given them clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fortress.



Hah I don't even like it, I wish they didn't use it, and as someone pointed out really it is just bastardized Roman numerals so it is stupid all around. Just pointing out that for whatever reason, the "MM" is not at all uncommon. Even though, yes, it is stupid.

Although Roman numerals are good for music notation I guess, isn't uppercase Roman numerals a major chord and lowercase is minor? So at least there's that. Thanks, Roman numerals.
 
2012-10-29 11:46:54 PM

davebarnes: "MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand."
Only for dipshiats who no clue about ISO standards.
K = 10**3
M = 10**6
G = 10**9
T
P
E


Yah, stupid people who don't know ISO standards!

What?
 
2012-10-29 11:50:43 PM

kroonermanblack: Marine1: 36 links since Sunday on Sandy.

We get it. You're getting rain and heavy winds and shiat's getting farked up. It's called inclement weather.

It's New York. The most important city in the world.

Or, it's pretty interesting to see a city that large perform evacuations, and emergency preparedness. It rivals some small countries for population and mileage, so it's no small task, and such an undertaking interests many people because there are many facets.

Plus it's New York, the most important city in the universe.

Ever.


Yeah, well, the most important city in the world apparently never thought to set some money aside for better flood protection.
 
2012-10-29 11:52:41 PM
And where will they pump the water to???

Oh, to the front/top of the storm surge, where it'll create........


.... a new jersey shore.
 
2012-10-29 11:53:09 PM

Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).


established convention which is used all that often anymore, certainly not on the intertubes
MM - 550M hits
M - 21B hits
 
2012-10-29 11:53:32 PM

Thingster: Agree with above posts.

Head is head, flow is flow. New motors are likely more efficient, but pumps are pumps.


Well if she's having lots of flow, head is all you can hope for.
 
2012-10-29 11:58:03 PM
Url: /5955689/sandy-could-really-flood-the-new-york-subway-system-Gizmod o 's-servers
 
2012-10-30 12:00:44 AM

namatad: Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).

established convention which is used all that often anymore, certainly not on the intertubes
MM - 550M hits
M - 21B hits


Yeah, did you read the rest of my post? About how it is established conventions for specific things (which I gave examples for) and is archaic? I clearly stated how it would look weird if you are used to normal prefixes. I just thought it was funny how riled up people got over it like it was a huge deal. I'm not saying it is a great convention just that it is not uncommon (like I listed... oil production/reserves, natural gas, etc.). Again I don't personally endorse the validity or the convention only the existence.
 
2012-10-30 12:01:19 AM

Seige101: Cached link to story on google


TY ... was an interesting article, which is now hopelessly out of date.
Any chance in the universe that the tunnels havent completely flooded by now??
They were worried about the water getting to the 3rd rails, which wont be much of a problem once the power has gone out ...
 
2012-10-30 12:01:38 AM

Marine1: kroonermanblack: Marine1: 36 links since Sunday on Sandy.


Yeah, well, the most important city in the world apparently never thought to set some money aside for better flood protection.


Hey when you look back on things you always wonder if you spent frivolously rather than saved for a rainy day.

Looking back NYC will be pleased they spent 3 million Federal Aid Dollars on...
"$3 million Partnership Act to pay for a program that would train young graffiti artists as mural painters."

Yeah, many communities will be looking back at frivolous spending in 2012
 
2012-10-30 12:03:39 AM

Seminorm Null: namatad: Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).

established convention which is used all that often anymore, certainly not on the intertubes
MM - 550M hits
M - 21B hits

Yeah, did you read the rest of my post? About how it is established conventions for specific things (which I gave examples for) and is archaic? I clearly stated how it would look weird if you are used to normal prefixes. I just thought it was funny how riled up people got over it like it was a huge deal. I'm not saying it is a great convention just that it is not uncommon (like I listed... oil production/reserves, natural gas, etc.). Again I don't personally endorse the validity or the convention only the existence.


Of course I read the rest. YAWN
It still is uninteresting ...
the fact that some people still use MM for finance and oil is antiquated.
My guess is that rest of the universe has passed those people by.

Kind of like people in archaeology still using bc and ad. The rest of that world has moved on.
(even if I hate that they have)
 
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