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(Gizmodo)   Obvious: The NYC subway system has over 700 pumps to help keep the tunnels from flooding. Interesting: They will pump out 13MM gallons of water on a sunny day. Scary: Many of them date from the construction of the Panama Canal. In 1914   (gizmodo.com) divider line 140
    More: Scary, Panama Canal, metro, New York, drainage systems, East River, 125th Street, floods, construction  
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2012-10-29 05:08:17 PM  
How many M's is that?
 
2012-10-29 05:14:12 PM  
What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.
 
2012-10-29 05:34:40 PM  
Mega Million?
Meters squared?
millimeters?
 
2012-10-29 06:33:18 PM  
Ah, for a second I thought you were referring to the Panama Canal that was built in 1776.
 
2012-10-29 08:20:55 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Mega Million?
Meters squared?
millimeters?


13 megamillions? How many is that in powerballs?
 
2012-10-29 08:51:28 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: KarmicDisaster: Mega Million?
Meters squared?
millimeters?

13 megamillions? How many is that in powerballs?


To figure that out, you have to convert them both to lottos.
 
2012-10-29 09:11:25 PM  
Heh. Turns out Gizmodo could've used some of those ancient pumps.


i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-29 09:12:13 PM  

queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.


This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.
 
2012-10-29 09:17:29 PM  

Asa Phelps: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.


My grandma was so pleased when granddad had his heart valves replaced.
 
2012-10-29 09:50:50 PM  
You'd think the flooding wouldn't be a problem since Tebow brought his sucking to New York.
 
2012-10-29 10:29:04 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: KarmicDisaster: Mega Million?
Meters squared?
millimeters?

13 megamillions? How many is that in powerballs?


some new hipster bull shiat

link is dead so it should go red now
 
2012-10-29 10:35:56 PM  
Pump housings last a long long time.

As long as you don't expose them to salt water.....
 
2012-10-29 10:42:01 PM  
No... not scary...

In the Panama canal construction era, the design methodology centered around "big pieces of metal that get sh*t done". Not "elegant" or "sustainable" or "polished".
 
2012-10-29 10:42:15 PM  
queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

THIS, just because something is old doesn't mean it sucks, I mean there are bridges built by the Romans still in use. How many of our new bridges built today will look as good when 2000 years of age they reach
 
2012-10-29 10:42:34 PM  

Asa Phelps: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.


Oh, I bet the motors are original as well. They really built shiat to last. None of this "20 year lifespan" crap.
 
2012-10-29 10:42:49 PM  
Well, let's hope they keep working.

Did anyone warn the mole people who live in the tunnels?
 
2012-10-29 10:43:31 PM  

Asa Phelps: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.


You're assuming the 98 year old pump has anything more modern than a 105-year old engine turning it, for starters.
 
2012-10-29 10:43:45 PM  
Earlier the weather channel had a guy on the phone, I want to say the NYC director of FEMA but don't quote me on that since I was only half paying attention to his title. He basically said that the reason they shut everything down in advance of the storm was that this way they can hopefully start the systems back up without nearly as much damage as if they'd left everything on to get flooded during operation.

From the info coming in now, I hope that's accurate, because they're gonna have a hell of a cleanup in the next weeks/months.
 
2012-10-29 10:44:43 PM  
pumps aren't very complicated machines. these pumps are built with big solid pieces of steel and are maintained regularly. they will be working in the subway system for 500 or 1000 years if maintained.
 
2012-10-29 10:45:39 PM  

wildcardjack: Asa Phelps: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.

Oh, I bet the motors are original as well. They really built shiat to last. None of this "20 year lifespan" crap.


please
moving parts is moving parts
we can bet dimes to donuts that these pumps have been rebuilt and maintained for the last 100 years.
Probably not a scrap of the original pump left, other than the housing and rotor.

Seriously, no matter how much grease and loving care, how long do you think bearings last???
LOL
 
2012-10-29 10:45:44 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Mega Million?
Meters squared?
millimeters?


MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand.
 
2012-10-29 10:45:57 PM  
Oldiron_79: THIS, just because something is old doesn't mean it sucks, I mean there are bridges built by the Romans still in use. How many of our new bridges built today will look as good when 2000 years of age they reach

You're not fooling anyone Yoda, how many Jedi did you send to help construct that bridge?
 
2012-10-29 10:46:28 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Well, let's hope they keep working.

Did anyone warn the mole people who live in the tunnels?


I tried to, but I'm not allowed within 50 ft of miners.
 
2012-10-29 10:46:37 PM  

RoyBatty: Heh. Turns out Gizmodo could've used some of those ancient pumps.


[i.imgur.com image 518x148]
[i.imgur.com image 850x328]


Ugh. Knowing Denton, he probably shut it down on purpose. A bigger attention whore on the net does not exist.
 
2012-10-29 10:47:40 PM  
Some several million people are going to be forced to WALK to work in the coming days.

This matters no a single flying fark to me, since I live on the west coast.
 
2012-10-29 10:47:53 PM  
There was no such thing as planned obsolescence back then.

/I'm looking at you Caterpillar.
 
2012-10-29 10:48:58 PM  
GIZMODOWN
 
2012-10-29 10:49:29 PM  
"MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand."
Only for dipshiats who no clue about ISO standards.
K = 10**3
M = 10**6
G = 10**9
T
P
E
 
2012-10-29 10:49:54 PM  
Metarie Pump Station Six tells it to get the dark off of it's lawn.


/built in 1899
//biggest in the world
 
2012-10-29 10:50:09 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Well, let's hope they keep working.

Did anyone warn the mole people who live in the tunnels?

I tried to, but I'm not allowed within 50 ft of miners.


Well played.
 
2012-10-29 10:50:11 PM  
While you are at it, worry about the NYC water infrastructure. Years ago I read an interview with the former chief engineer who retired early on medical due to the stress he had worrying about the aged infrastructure and the lack of funds to bring things to what he thought was a sustainable level.
 
2012-10-29 10:50:13 PM  
Back in the day, they made sure things worked, and not about happy-go-lucky stuff such as constructing buildings exactly 1,776 feet.
 
2012-10-29 10:50:23 PM  
pressthebuttons.typepad.com

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the C.H.U.D.S.?!!
 
2012-10-29 10:52:56 PM  
A man, a plan, some scary old Mickey Mouse water pumps, Panama.
 
2012-10-29 10:53:06 PM  
They will pump out 13MM gallons of water on a sunny day.

Teddy Roosevelt could do that job with a teaspoon and a bukket.
 
2012-10-29 10:53:08 PM  

lenfromak: KarmicDisaster: Mega Million?
Meters squared?
millimeters?

MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand.


Since when? And show your units.
 
2012-10-29 10:54:37 PM  
I have a feeling that they will soon have a lot of new pumps as well as a bunch of other things once the recovery is over.

I wonder how much of the underground wiring they will have to replace in Manhatten?
 
2012-10-29 10:57:07 PM  

Yaxe: Some several million people are going to be forced to WALK to work in the coming days.

This matters no a single flying fark to me, since I live on the west coast.


Likewise.
 
2012-10-29 10:57:12 PM  
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-10-29 10:57:42 PM  

scanman61: Metarie Pump Station Six tells it to get the dark off of it's lawn.


/built in 1899
//biggest in the world


What's it's stage name?
 
2012-10-29 10:58:21 PM  
distilleryimage5.instagram.com
 
2012-10-29 10:58:40 PM  
Maybe it's like this broom my family's had since the 1800s. Never replaced it in its entirely life; have only had to replace the handle twice and the head three times.

Man, we love that broom.
 
2012-10-29 10:59:13 PM  
Are those the same pumps they use to pump all the urine in?
 
2012-10-29 10:59:26 PM  
Subby; you don't deal with machinery much, do you? You realize that pumping technology hasn't changed much, right? And that they rebuild them, put new motors, etc?
 
2012-10-29 11:00:07 PM  
System could use a good hosing down every now and then. Salt water especially.
 
2012-10-29 11:00:53 PM  
Laws of physics must have changed in the last 100 years, or at least since Ayn Rand.
 
2012-10-29 11:01:23 PM  

Hobodeluxe: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x565]


Boy, I'm glad we put so much money and effort into rebuilding that sacred site.
 
2012-10-29 11:02:28 PM  

Oldiron_79: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

THIS, just because something is old doesn't mean it sucks, I mean there are bridges built by the Romans still in use. How many of our new bridges built today will look as good when 2000 years of age they reach


They're pumps. They're supposed to suck. Let's hope they suck long and hard.
 
2012-10-29 11:02:38 PM  
MM is the finance abbreviation according to wikipedia.
 
2012-10-29 11:03:55 PM  
bristle.files.wordpress.com

"You wanna know the most interesting thing about the 700 tunnel pumps?"

"Sure Jerry."

"The valves! They pump out over 13 Million gallons of water every day."

"Is that right Jerry?"

"Did you know they were made here in NYC in 1914?"

"I did not know that, Jerry."
 
2012-10-29 11:08:07 PM  
I guess Gawker should move their hosts out to the Amazon S3 or something
 
2012-10-29 11:10:21 PM  
 
2012-10-29 11:11:40 PM  
the pumps and backup pumps to clear the systems out are going to be clogged with dead hobos..

/tidal wave of dead hobos i say!
 
2012-10-29 11:12:19 PM  
They will pump out 13MM gallons of water on a sunny day.

But how many gallons will need to be pumped out?
 
2012-10-29 11:15:19 PM  

Oldiron_79: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

THIS, just because something is old doesn't mean it sucks, I mean there are bridges built by the Romans still in use. How many of our new bridges built today will look as good when 2000 years of age they reach


Well the problem with most modern designs is we want more out of them and we want them cheaper. So instead of building a big heavy steel bridge, we build a light suspension bridge with as few cables and as thin of a deck as we can get away with. Same problem with cars, lighter material, more complicated electronics means more shiat to wear out.

Personally I'd feel reassured about well maintained pumps from anytime before about 1970 as they are big heavy pieces of steel with few electronics. Sure they probably need 6-10 men to operate and constant supervision, but hey they work.
 
2012-10-29 11:15:38 PM  

LawrencePerson: Some pics of the flooding.


love the last one...lutz
 
2012-10-29 11:19:55 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Mega Million?
Meters squared?
millimeters?


MM
 
2012-10-29 11:19:59 PM  

namatad: wildcardjack: Asa Phelps: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.

Oh, I bet the motors are original as well. They really built shiat to last. None of this "20 year lifespan" crap.

please
moving parts is moving parts
we can bet dimes to donuts that these pumps have been rebuilt and maintained for the last 100 years.
Probably not a scrap of the original pump left, other than the housing and rotor.

Seriously, no matter how much grease and loving care, how long do you think bearings last???
LOL


It's all ball bearings nowadays.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-29 11:20:19 PM  
The infrastructure in New York City is one of the greatest accomplishments in this country. Built 100-150 years ago and still running. When all that falls apart and we're too busy bickering over politics and giving reconstruction jobs to the cheapest possible bids, NYC will be in pretty bad shape.
 
2012-10-29 11:21:19 PM  

LawrencePerson: Some pics of the flooding.


1. Thank you. Those are fascinating and terrifying.
2. That said, this is the internet, it's amazing subject matter, why are photos so small?
3. Again, terrifying and fascinating - why do people feel the need to instagram?
4. Finally, what the hell are people still doing there taking pictures?
 
2012-10-29 11:25:13 PM  
In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.
 
2012-10-29 11:25:15 PM  
I'm not scared of Panama Canal technology. It works.

Look at our modern government who cannot even balance a budget. THAT does not work.
 
2012-10-29 11:25:40 PM  
When I abbreviate million I always use a single M, as in "$19M = $19,000,000". I always us K for thousands, "$19K = $19,000. Thought that was pretty clear and that's what I've generally seen.

Isn't using MM for million some sort of British wanker thing?
 
2012-10-29 11:27:48 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.


I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.
 
2012-10-29 11:29:03 PM  
I always had the understanding that M was used everywhere but for accounting, where MM was the accepted usage.
 
2012-10-29 11:29:45 PM  

mr lawson: LawrencePerson: Some pics of the flooding.

love the last one...lutz


Related

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

/looks legit
 
2012-10-29 11:30:02 PM  

StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.


P.S. When I've seen "T" used, it signified "tons". And "K" and "T" together for "Kilotons".
 
2012-10-29 11:30:25 PM  

Marine1: 36 links since Sunday on Sandy.

We get it. You're getting rain and heavy winds and shiat's getting farked up. It's called inclement weather.


It's New York. The most important city in the world.

Or, it's pretty interesting to see a city that large perform evacuations, and emergency preparedness. It rivals some small countries for population and mileage, so it's no small task, and such an undertaking interests many people because there are many facets.

Plus it's New York, the most important city in the universe.

Ever.
 
2012-10-29 11:30:54 PM  
Andrew Sullivan's Tweet roundup is pretty fascinating/scary. He just moved to NYC from DC a few weeks ago.

A few "highlights":

- MTA: Water entering all Lower Manhattan under river tubes.

- Current water level at The Battery is 13.34 feet. That is beyond record territory, we're in the "downright ridiculous" surge zone now.

- Chaos reported in Jersey City, multiple building collapses

- East river has encroached about two long blocks into Long Island City

- Governor Cuomo confirms cars are floating in Lower Manhattan

- World Trade Center, which has been the only beacon of light in Lower Manhattan tonight, just went dark.
 
2012-10-29 11:31:23 PM  

queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.


More reliable and take less power to run.
 
2012-10-29 11:31:34 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.


And 6 MM will buy you one of these:

borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-29 11:32:22 PM  
To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).

If you are looking up oil reserves in a particular field or oil production of a specific facility you will probably see units of MMbbl or MMbbl/d (millions of barrels or millions of barrels per day), it is not uncommon to see the price of natural gas listed in units of $/MMBtu (dollars per million British thermal units), etc.

On the other hand, with water flow often the units will be in MGD where just the one M means million (million gallons per day, although rarely you will see MMgal with two Ms), so...not saying it is the greatest or most consistent convention (it clearly is not) but it does exist in the real world and we haven't broken science yet so please remain calm.
 
2012-10-29 11:33:05 PM  

StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.


Then what's the "G" for?

media.soletron.com
 
2012-10-29 11:33:31 PM  
Can we flood Los Angeles next? We need a good scrubbing out here too. q
 
2012-10-29 11:33:52 PM  

StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.


Maybe it's just something I use when I take notes ... But yeah, now that you mention it ... K, kilo, etc.

/backing slowly out of the room now ..
 
2012-10-29 11:34:35 PM  
Agree with above posts.

Head is head, flow is flow. New motors are likely more efficient, but pumps are pumps.
 
2012-10-29 11:35:44 PM  
While I've read some idiot is trying to blame this on gay marrage, I think if anything God is punishing NY because of that whole 16oz soda law.

/God really digs big gulps
//And Mt Dew slurpees
///Stay safe east coast farkers
 
2012-10-29 11:35:59 PM  

Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).


That is so very wrong. MM is 2000.
In Latin, 1000 is mille. So a thousand thousands can be MM, but that is by no means Roman Numeric.
 
2012-10-29 11:36:12 PM  
 
2012-10-29 11:36:18 PM  

tuna fingers: StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.

Then what's the "G" for?

[media.soletron.com image 400x267]


Gravitational force equal to the Earth's pull at sea level? Dammit, Tuna Fingers, I'm just a country scientist, not a rapper.
 
2012-10-29 11:36:52 PM  
drewblood.com
 
2012-10-29 11:37:01 PM  

StopLurkListen: StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.

P.S. When I've seen "T" used, it signified "tons". And "K" and "T" together for "KilotonsKnots".


/runs
 
2012-10-29 11:37:03 PM  

Seamer: Maybe it's like this broom my family's had since the 1800s. Never replaced it in its entirely life; have only had to replace the handle twice and the head three times.

Man, we love that broom.


iseewhatyoudidthere.psd
 
2012-10-29 11:37:59 PM  

tuna fingers: Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).


That is so very wrong. MM is 2000.
In Latin, 1000 is mille. So a thousand thousands can be MM, but that is by no means Roman Numeric.


I'm not saying I like it or that it's great, personally I think it is stupid, I was just pointing out it exists in the real world. I didn't invent the convention.
 
2012-10-29 11:39:01 PM  

lohphat: StopLurkListen: StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.

P.S. When I've seen "T" used, it signified "tons". And "K" and "T" together for "KilotonsKnots".

/runs


i101.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-29 11:40:32 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.


What country are you from that abbreviates "thousand" with a "T"?
 
2012-10-29 11:40:51 PM  

tuna fingers: Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).


That is so very wrong. MM is 2000.
In Latin, 1000 is mille. So a thousand thousands can be MM, but that is by no means Roman Numeric.


Are you sure? I know an expert on this stuff. I'll check with her when Gossip Girl is over.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-29 11:41:35 PM  

Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).

If you are looking up oil reserves in a particular field or oil production of a specific facility you will probably see units of MMbbl or MMbbl/d (millions of barrels or millions of barrels per day), it is not uncommon to see the price of natural gas listed in units of $/MMBtu (dollars per million British thermal units), etc.

On the other hand, with water flow often the units will be in MGD where just the one M means million (million gallons per day, although rarely you will see MMgal with two Ms), so...not saying it is the greatest or most consistent convention (it clearly is not) but it does exist in the real world and we haven't broken science yet so please remain calm.


Mechanical engineers' sad devotion to that ancient numerical system has not helped anyone in this thread, or given them clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fortress.
 
2012-10-29 11:42:21 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7406915/80352669#c80352669" target="_blank">JPINFV</a>:</b> <i>Can we flood Los Angeles next? We need a good scrubbing out here too. q</i>

I'm definitely praying for a tidal wave.


/venice beach
//my neighbors can all come here and hang on the roof while things are getting flushed away
 
2012-10-29 11:45:05 PM  

max_pooper:
Mechanical engineers' sad devotion to that ancient numerical system has not helped anyone in this thread, or given them clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fortress.



Hah I don't even like it, I wish they didn't use it, and as someone pointed out really it is just bastardized Roman numerals so it is stupid all around. Just pointing out that for whatever reason, the "MM" is not at all uncommon. Even though, yes, it is stupid.

Although Roman numerals are good for music notation I guess, isn't uppercase Roman numerals a major chord and lowercase is minor? So at least there's that. Thanks, Roman numerals.
 
2012-10-29 11:46:54 PM  

davebarnes: "MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand."
Only for dipshiats who no clue about ISO standards.
K = 10**3
M = 10**6
G = 10**9
T
P
E


Yah, stupid people who don't know ISO standards!

What?
 
2012-10-29 11:50:43 PM  

kroonermanblack: Marine1: 36 links since Sunday on Sandy.

We get it. You're getting rain and heavy winds and shiat's getting farked up. It's called inclement weather.

It's New York. The most important city in the world.

Or, it's pretty interesting to see a city that large perform evacuations, and emergency preparedness. It rivals some small countries for population and mileage, so it's no small task, and such an undertaking interests many people because there are many facets.

Plus it's New York, the most important city in the universe.

Ever.


Yeah, well, the most important city in the world apparently never thought to set some money aside for better flood protection.
 
2012-10-29 11:52:41 PM  
And where will they pump the water to???

Oh, to the front/top of the storm surge, where it'll create........


.... a new jersey shore.
 
2012-10-29 11:53:09 PM  

Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).


established convention which is used all that often anymore, certainly not on the intertubes
MM - 550M hits
M - 21B hits
 
2012-10-29 11:53:32 PM  

Thingster: Agree with above posts.

Head is head, flow is flow. New motors are likely more efficient, but pumps are pumps.


Well if she's having lots of flow, head is all you can hope for.
 
2012-10-29 11:58:03 PM  
Url: /5955689/sandy-could-really-flood-the-new-york-subway-system-Gizmod o 's-servers
 
2012-10-30 12:00:44 AM  

namatad: Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).

established convention which is used all that often anymore, certainly not on the intertubes
MM - 550M hits
M - 21B hits


Yeah, did you read the rest of my post? About how it is established conventions for specific things (which I gave examples for) and is archaic? I clearly stated how it would look weird if you are used to normal prefixes. I just thought it was funny how riled up people got over it like it was a huge deal. I'm not saying it is a great convention just that it is not uncommon (like I listed... oil production/reserves, natural gas, etc.). Again I don't personally endorse the validity or the convention only the existence.
 
2012-10-30 12:01:19 AM  

Seige101: Cached link to story on google


TY ... was an interesting article, which is now hopelessly out of date.
Any chance in the universe that the tunnels havent completely flooded by now??
They were worried about the water getting to the 3rd rails, which wont be much of a problem once the power has gone out ...
 
2012-10-30 12:01:38 AM  

Marine1: kroonermanblack: Marine1: 36 links since Sunday on Sandy.


Yeah, well, the most important city in the world apparently never thought to set some money aside for better flood protection.


Hey when you look back on things you always wonder if you spent frivolously rather than saved for a rainy day.

Looking back NYC will be pleased they spent 3 million Federal Aid Dollars on...
"$3 million Partnership Act to pay for a program that would train young graffiti artists as mural painters."

Yeah, many communities will be looking back at frivolous spending in 2012
 
2012-10-30 12:03:39 AM  

Seminorm Null: namatad: Seminorm Null: To everyone freaking out about "MM", yes it looks odd if you are used to normal SI prefixes but the MM is an established convention for some things. Just kind of archaic (Roman numerals).

established convention which is used all that often anymore, certainly not on the intertubes
MM - 550M hits
M - 21B hits

Yeah, did you read the rest of my post? About how it is established conventions for specific things (which I gave examples for) and is archaic? I clearly stated how it would look weird if you are used to normal prefixes. I just thought it was funny how riled up people got over it like it was a huge deal. I'm not saying it is a great convention just that it is not uncommon (like I listed... oil production/reserves, natural gas, etc.). Again I don't personally endorse the validity or the convention only the existence.


Of course I read the rest. YAWN
It still is uninteresting ...
the fact that some people still use MM for finance and oil is antiquated.
My guess is that rest of the universe has passed those people by.

Kind of like people in archaeology still using bc and ad. The rest of that world has moved on.
(even if I hate that they have)
 
2012-10-30 12:04:03 AM  
I remember the gallon. But then again, I also know how to use a slide rule.
 
2012-10-30 12:05:42 AM  

Seminorm Null: Yeah, did you read the rest of my post?


MUCH more importantly.
The rest of the universe uses a mutually agreed on set of conventions to be able to communicate.
This because doubly important when you are communicating with people outside of a given narrow field.

So while snooty bankers might talk about MM this and QE that, the rest of us use generic standards.
 
2012-10-30 12:06:59 AM  

davebarnes: "MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand."
Only for dipshiats who no clue about ISO standards.
K = 10**3
M = 10**6
G = 10**9
T
P
E


Fark you, this is America!

M - Millions
K - Thousands
MM - Mega Millions!

READ IT AND WEEP!
 
2012-10-30 12:13:10 AM  

namatad: Seminorm Null: Yeah, did you read the rest of my post?

MUCH more importantly.
The rest of the universe uses a mutually agreed on set of conventions to be able to communicate.
This because doubly important when you are communicating with people outside of a given narrow field.

So while snooty bankers might talk about MM this and QE that, the rest of us use generic standards.


As has been shown, it's more than just snooty bankers that use MM to mean one million. If you had a more expansive knowledge base you would have known this. Your ignorance does not get to dictate how others more knowledgable than you communicate.
 
2012-10-30 12:15:24 AM  

davebarnes: "MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand."
Only for dipshiats who no clue about ISO standards.
K = 10**3
M = 10**6
G = 10**9
T
P
E

....

Yes, because everyone who isn't a complete loser dumbass is intimately familiar with ISO 9001 standards, as well as Six Sigma, right?

Get bent, you sanctimonious douchebag.
 
mjg
2012-10-30 12:16:07 AM  
Can't wait to check out my storage space on South Street at Manhattan Mini Storage. Probably will have to wait for the knuckle-draggers to get in the building in two days.

/yeah, my 'storage insurance' probably won't cover "acts of god"
//losers
 
2012-10-30 12:20:11 AM  

namatad: Seminorm Null: Yeah, did you read the rest of my post?

MUCH more importantly.
The rest of the universe uses a mutually agreed on set of conventions to be able to communicate.
This because doubly important when you are communicating with people outside of a given narrow field.

So while snooty bankers might talk about MM this and QE that, the rest of us use generic standards.


I can't speak to what the bankers use, I was just pointing out common, real-world uses where people might have seen this before (even though for the 11th time yes I agree it is stupid). MMbbl and MMBtu are actually pretty common...I was just throwing that out there. People seemed to be taking a general tone of "OMG I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS AND I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT" rather than "Yeah there are definitely still some old goofy conventions that are still around."

Again, I'll be the first to admit that it is goofy, esoteric, archaic, obtuse, whatever but nevertheless it does exist. That's all I'm saying. And while we're at it, when they do use MMbbl for millions of barrels, why the hell are there two b's for barrel? That's what it is though. If you guys all want to freak out over it go ahead...

Like with the relatively common abbreviation of "No." for number that we use even though English doesn't have an "o" in number (I assume it is from Latin "numero" or something but I'm not sure).. There are countless places you could look and see a "No. 1" instead of "Number 1" or "# 1"...is that worth freaking out over too? We have all/mostly mutually agreed to use English here but yet you could still use "No. 1" to mean "Number 1" in a Fark headline/post or in advertising or whatever and it would still be perfectly clear. It does not eliminate anyone's communication abilities.
 
2012-10-30 12:20:26 AM  

namatad: Seriously, no matter how much grease and loving care, how long do you think bearings last???


One of my professors consulted on the rebuilding of a steam turbine on an old Navy ship. Thing had been running continuously for 40 years. The turbine blades were of course shot. Measurements of the bearings showed no wear, none. They knew this because they had the old QA records from when it was shipped out the door. Essentially oil fed journal bearings never wear out as long as they are fed with clean filtered oil.
 
2012-10-30 12:22:22 AM  
Umm, hello? How is this even up for debate. We all know what MM stands for...
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-30 12:24:15 AM  
Pumps haven't been updated since 1914???

This is why you can't have nice things. The local government keep spending all the taxpayer money o n deadbeats, bums, perpetually "disabled", single Moms, welfare addicts, illegal aliens, druggies, welfare and WIC scammers, etc etc etc

Nut no money for actual infrastructure needs.

Great way to run a big city.

/buy a Big Gulp on the way outa town
 
2012-10-30 12:25:38 AM  
I'm starting to think things must be winding down, considering the arguing over semantics of millions in here, and the tropical storm vs. hurricane vs. cyclone thing in the other thread. Must be that time when people are tired of being excited about it.
 
2012-10-30 12:27:53 AM  

2words1finger: Yes, because everyone who isn't a complete loser dumbass is intimately familiar with ISO 9001 standards, as well as Six Sigma, right?


9001? That's quality management. 80000 is unit standards. I'm with you on the sanctimonious douchebag part, though.
 
2012-10-30 12:28:57 AM  
Nero fiddled while Rome burned. While NYC flooded, farkers argued about measurement standards.
 
2012-10-30 12:33:05 AM  

gibbon1: namatad: Seriously, no matter how much grease and loving care, how long do you think bearings last???

One of my professors consulted on the rebuilding of a steam turbine on an old Navy ship. Thing had been running continuously for 40 years. The turbine blades were of course shot. Measurements of the bearings showed no wear, none. They knew this because they had the old QA records from when it was shipped out the door. Essentially oil fed journal bearings never wear out as long as they are fed with clean filtered oil.


holy crap batman
1) you forgot CSB, and that was
2) I wonder what the chance of that being for these pumps? LOL Who knows, maybe after having to replace a couple, they quickly learned that it was MUCH cheaper to keep things running right in the first place.
 
2012-10-30 12:33:52 AM  

HoratioGates: Nero fiddled while Rome burned. While NYC flooded, farkers argued about measurement standards.


sigh
we are very happy here
 
2012-10-30 12:35:15 AM  

LawrencePerson: Some pics of the flooding.


Thank God everyone in NY uses Instagram so it looks like flooding from the 1960's.
 
2012-10-30 12:36:52 AM  
queezyweezel [TotalFark]

What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then.

Amen, brother. You're getting a lot of luv for that post, all deserved. Those pumps will die when the sun flickers out.
 
2012-10-30 12:38:31 AM  

gibbon1: namatad: Seriously, no matter how much grease and loving care, how long do you think bearings last???

One of my professors consulted on the rebuilding of a steam turbine on an old Navy ship. Thing had been running continuously for 40 years. The turbine blades were of course shot. Measurements of the bearings showed no wear, none. They knew this because they had the old QA records from when it was shipped out the door. Essentially oil fed journal bearings never wear out as long as they are fed with clean filtered oil.


In ideal conditions that would make sense - the friction boundary layer is provided by the oil, not the bearing. Keep replacing the oil and the bearings won't wear out. You'd have to be pretty goddamn religious about it, though.
 
2012-10-30 12:40:46 AM  

Big Merl: Umm, hello? How is this even up for debate. We all know what MM stands for...
[upload.wikimedia.org image 280x212]


upload.wikimedia.org

Slim Shady
 
2012-10-30 12:44:04 AM  
Hey, is this the thread where I show off my mad tech skills and knowledge of SI by ripping on other systems of notation?

/SI is for people who can't do math beyond moving a decimal point left or right
 
2012-10-30 01:03:36 AM  

davebarnes: "MM is the common abbreviation for million, a single M meaning a thousand."
Only for dipshiats who no clue about ISO standards.
K = 10**3
M = 10**6
G = 10**9
T
P
E


To be specific, k = 10**3 and K = 1024
 
2012-10-30 01:18:19 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.comassets.inhabitat.com

Better sandbag the memorial- in case it, you know, fills up.
 
2012-10-30 01:19:11 AM  

Big Merl: Umm, hello? How is this even up for debate. We all know what MM stands for...
[upload.wikimedia.org image 280x212]


www.wired.com
 
2012-10-30 01:26:31 AM  
Scary: Many of them date from the construction of the Panama Canal. In 1914

Perhaps someone should point out to subby that plenty of things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL still work just fine. Like, oh....for example, THE PANAMA CANAL. Perhaps subby could have considered that when putting THE PANAMA CANAL, a thing that still works, in a headline implying that things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL won't work today.

Unlike Gawker's website. I guess massive amounts of javascript isn't waterproof, aye? Haha, suck it, noscript hates you.

/THE PANAMA CANAL
 
2012-10-30 01:27:21 AM  

Emposter: Scary: Many of them date from the construction of the Panama Canal. In 1914

Perhaps someone should point out to subby that plenty of things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL still work just fine. Like, oh....for example, THE PANAMA CANAL. Perhaps subby could have considered that when putting THE PANAMA CANAL, a thing that still works, in a headline implying that things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL won't work today.

Unlike Gawker's website. I guess massive amounts of javascript isn't waterproof, aye? Haha, suck it, noscript hates you.

/THE PANAMA CANAL


Wow, you must really like THE PANAMA CANAL.
 
2012-10-30 01:41:30 AM  

Meethos: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

What country are you from that abbreviates "thousand" with a "T"?


Some people call it "my own little world" ...
 
2012-10-30 01:46:04 AM  

RedPhoenix122: Emposter: Scary: Many of them date from the construction of the Panama Canal. In 1914

Perhaps someone should point out to subby that plenty of things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL still work just fine. Like, oh....for example, THE PANAMA CANAL. Perhaps subby could have considered that when putting THE PANAMA CANAL, a thing that still works, in a headline implying that things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL won't work today.

Unlike Gawker's website. I guess massive amounts of javascript isn't waterproof, aye? Haha, suck it, noscript hates you.

/THE PANAMA CANAL

Wow, you must really like THE PANAMA CANAL.


WHAT?
 
2012-10-30 02:00:22 AM  

tuna fingers: StopLurkListen: Huck And Molly Ziegler: In normal podunk daily journalism, I always though "T" was for "thousand" and "M" was for million, e.g., a "$60T grant" would buy you a modest small house (in most places) but a "$60M grant" would buy you the whole small town.

I've never seen "T" for thousand, only "K". But I've seen both "M" and "MM" for million.

Then what's the "G" for?

[media.soletron.com image 400x267]


Because, pimpin' easy but it's necessary?
 
2012-10-30 02:05:17 AM  

RedPhoenix122: Emposter: Scary: Many of them date from the construction of the Panama Canal. In 1914

Perhaps someone should point out to subby that plenty of things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL still work just fine. Like, oh....for example, THE PANAMA CANAL. Perhaps subby could have considered that when putting THE PANAMA CANAL, a thing that still works, in a headline implying that things that are as old as THE PANAMA CANAL won't work today.

Unlike Gawker's website. I guess massive amounts of javascript isn't waterproof, aye? Haha, suck it, noscript hates you.

/THE PANAMA CANAL

Wow, you must really like THE PANAMA CANAL.


Just recently watched the episode about it on Extreme Engineering. It's pretty awesome.
 
2012-10-30 03:22:20 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Mega Million?
Meters squared?
millimeters?


upload.wikimedia.orgcdn.cosbysweaters.com
 
2012-10-30 03:26:35 AM  

gibbon1: One of my professors consulted on the rebuilding of a steam turbine on an old Navy ship. Thing had been running continuously for 40 years. The turbine blades were of course shot. Measurements of the bearings showed no wear, none. They knew this because they had the old QA records from when it was shipped out the door. Essentially oil fed journal bearings never wear out as long as they are fed with clean filtered oil.


Most people don't appreciate industrial quality hardware.
We're surrounded by shiatty consumer crap that, even if it was designed for regular maintanence,
would still be constructed with bits and pieces that are *intended to fail* once the warranty period ends.

I'd love to buy just one fan made out of metal, with farking bearings instead of those bronze bushings.
But everything these days is made-in-china crap with farking plastic in areas that will wear.
If those assholes would just spend a dollar more, the equipment they design would last forever.
 
2012-10-30 05:59:00 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Asa Phelps: queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.

This. I'll take the 98 year old pump with something a little more modern turning it over anything new.

You're assuming the 98 year old pump has anything more modern than a 105-year old engine turning it, for starters.


Eh, Dad's got a hundred year old steam engine in his basement that works just fine.

Better than some cars I've owned, frankly...
 
2012-10-30 06:16:39 AM  

On The Wrong Throne: [d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net image 600x600]

5 hours ago.

/hope it posts!


DAMMIT TO HELL!

Link
 
2012-10-30 06:42:15 AM  
Amazing that our grandparents had the foresight to build pumping stations to handle the effects of todays Global Warming Climate Change.
 
2012-10-30 07:06:37 AM  

Malicious Bastard: If those assholes would just spend a dollar more, the equipment they design would last forever.


How can they make you buy another in 3 years then? If you sell an indestructible widget, eventually everyone will have a widget, and none of them will ever need replacing, and then you go out of business because everyone just passes around their old ones.

/These assholes know how to stay in business is all.
 
2012-10-30 08:22:13 AM  
A tunnel, a flood, a canal, Panama!
 
2012-10-30 08:39:28 AM  
MM = M x M = 1000 x 1000 = 1,000,000. Using Roman numerals incorrectly is fun!
 
2012-10-30 09:12:39 AM  

queezyweezel: What's so scary about that? They built shiat to last back then. Lots of steel and well greased bearings. I'd rather have that with a new prime mover behind it compared to the crap China pumps out on a daily basis.


It is true that they built things to last back then. On the other hand back in the day those pumps were built the phrase "can't somebody else do it" probably didn't exist when it came to maintenance of such machines. So back in the day regular maintenance wouldn't have been an issue. I am not sure I would be comfortable saying the same thing today.
 
2012-10-30 10:07:40 AM  
I would be more worried if the pumps had "made in China" written on them than their age.

If the subways are flooding that bad be prepared for the inevitable rat plague as they all forced out of their normal areas
 
2012-10-30 02:13:02 PM  
connect to upstream server failed

Host: gizmodo.com

Url: /5955689/sandy-could-really-flood-the-new-york-subway-system


Uh, yeah, really.
 
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