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2012-10-29 02:43:51 PM  
Twinkies.
 
2012-10-29 03:28:50 PM  
Know which of your neighbors is the weakest.
 
2012-10-29 03:29:11 PM  
Cook and eat only what you can consume in one day, starting with the youngest child.
 
2012-10-29 03:36:42 PM  
Here's what I have at my house; I'm not in hurricane country, but we have ice storms from time to time:
1Kw generator (small, quiet, sips gas)>>>RV 50A RV power supply (turns 120VAC to 14.4VDC)>>>4 deep cycle batteries>>>3/6KW inverter>>>transfer switch>>>circuit breaker panel for house

With this setup, the generator keeps the batteries charged up, and the inverter runs off of the batteries. Most of our power use is small (compact florescent bulbs, and gas heat), so the 1Kw generator handles this load, and the batteries/inverter handle the surge of the refrigerators starting up, as well as the microwave overn.
It's worked very well and 5 gallons of gas will last a few days.
The beauty of this system, is that you can still have power during a severe storm without going outside to run a generator. Then when the storm passes, you plug in the generator and get the batteries charged back up. (set this up originally as an inverter only system so that we could keep the lights/tv on in the basement during severe thunderstorms/tornadoes that we have from time to time here in the midwest).
 
2012-10-29 03:38:50 PM  
The wife and I rent the basement (with a full kitchen and huge storage) from her parents. The power could go out for a month and we would all be fine with the amount of food we've collectively got in the house. Additionally, we have a creek that always has water in it about 100' from the house.
 
2012-10-29 03:41:40 PM  

queezyweezel: Here's what I have at my house; I'm not in hurricane country, but we have ice storms from time to time:
1Kw generator (small, quiet, sips gas)>>>RV 50A RV power supply (turns 120VAC to 14.4VDC)>>>4 deep cycle batteries>>>3/6KW inverter>>>transfer switch>>>circuit breaker panel for house

With this setup, the generator keeps the batteries charged up, and the inverter runs off of the batteries. Most of our power use is small (compact florescent bulbs, and gas heat), so the 1Kw generator handles this load, and the batteries/inverter handle the surge of the refrigerators starting up, as well as the microwave overn.
It's worked very well and 5 gallons of gas will last a few days.
The beauty of this system, is that you can still have power during a severe storm without going outside to run a generator. Then when the storm passes, you plug in the generator and get the batteries charged back up. (set this up originally as an inverter only system so that we could keep the lights/tv on in the basement during severe thunderstorms/tornadoes that we have from time to time here in the midwest).


Whenever I buy a home, one of the first purchases I intend to make is a natural gas powered, whole house generator. I know they are expensive, but I think over the course of 10-15 years, it would be well worth the expense. I would NEVER have to worry about loss of power.
 
2012-10-29 04:01:35 PM  

Endive Wombat: queezyweezel: Here's what I have at my house; I'm not in hurricane country, but we have ice storms from time to time:
1Kw generator (small, quiet, sips gas)>>>RV 50A RV power supply (turns 120VAC to 14.4VDC)>>>4 deep cycle batteries>>>3/6KW inverter>>>transfer switch>>>circuit breaker panel for house

With this setup, the generator keeps the batteries charged up, and the inverter runs off of the batteries. Most of our power use is small (compact florescent bulbs, and gas heat), so the 1Kw generator handles this load, and the batteries/inverter handle the surge of the refrigerators starting up, as well as the microwave overn.
It's worked very well and 5 gallons of gas will last a few days.
The beauty of this system, is that you can still have power during a severe storm without going outside to run a generator. Then when the storm passes, you plug in the generator and get the batteries charged back up. (set this up originally as an inverter only system so that we could keep the lights/tv on in the basement during severe thunderstorms/tornadoes that we have from time to time here in the midwest).

Whenever I buy a home, one of the first purchases I intend to make is a natural gas powered, whole house generator. I know they are expensive, but I think over the course of 10-15 years, it would be well worth the expense. I would NEVER have to worry about loss of power.


I looked at em, but for a good (1800RPM nice and quiet 20KW) whole house genset and transfer switch, it was around $5-7K.
I had the inverter on hand, and the batteries,transfer switch, and el cheapo harbor freight generator ran me about $600.
I'll eventually get a NG 10-15KW genset running, but I'd like to tinker and build it myself if I can.
/ I plan to pick up one of the Chinese 10KW ST generator heads, and mate it to an old carbureted 4cyl motor powered by NG. Should be solid as a tank, and pretty quiet. As a bonus, I could heat the garage with the radiator on it.)
 
2012-10-29 05:34:44 PM  
I assume that just cracking open a can of Chef Boyardee and pouring it into your face isn't on the list?
 
2012-10-29 06:06:34 PM  
It may be helpful to point out the generator does not ever go in the basement or even garage while in use.
 
2012-10-29 07:03:54 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I assume that just cracking open a can of Chef Boyardee and pouring it into your face isn't on the list?


Having been deployed for months at a time in a field environment, almost ANY canned food is edible cold or hot.

Yes, even Chef Boyardee.

/Beefaroni for the win
 
2012-10-29 07:14:39 PM  
No drinking piss?
 
2012-10-29 07:17:26 PM  
Canned possibilities!
 
2012-10-29 07:17:43 PM  

LegacyDL: No drinking piss?


That's only for outages lasting 12 hours or more.
 
2012-10-29 07:18:07 PM  
Stock as much water as you can for bathing, washing, cooking, drinking, and flushing toilets. Consider filling up one or two new large garbage cans with water. ESPECIALLY if you have children.

Buy shotgun shells to take care of zombies and to cauterize wounds.
 
2012-10-29 07:18:47 PM  

LegacyDL: No drinking piss?


maybe tomorrow, you in a hurry?
 
2012-10-29 07:18:48 PM  
Protip: Peanut butter.
 
2012-10-29 07:22:22 PM  
Pickled eggs and PBR. Great for when you are trapped inside with loved ones.
 
2012-10-29 07:22:42 PM  
People try to get through the aisles at Whole Foods Market in Midtown in New York on Sunday before the storm

Fail #1
Fail #2

Prepare a little bit first, ya idiots.
 
2012-10-29 07:23:40 PM  
six year old pie filling
 
2012-10-29 07:23:57 PM  
If you have tealight candles, you can cut the bottom of an aluminum can off, poke pin holes in it all around for air flow, place candle inside and light, and then put a bowl of soup or cup of coffee on top to heat it.

It's called a buddy-burner.
 
2012-10-29 07:25:05 PM  
I assume there are people with freezers they just filled with game.

/Not a hunter so don't know if it's too early for that
 
2012-10-29 07:26:12 PM  

ZzeusS: People try to get through the aisles at Whole Foods Market in Midtown in New York on Sunday before the storm

Fail #1
Fail #2

Prepare a little bit first, ya idiots.


What I hate is when a store is going to be closed for a holiday and people go nuts buying stuff like it's the apocalypse. Yes, Grocery Mart will be closed for Christmas Day, you really don't need to buy a month's word of bread and milk. Cripes.
 
2012-10-29 07:26:56 PM  

dofus: I assume there are people with freezers they just filled with game.

/Not a hunter so don't know if it's too early for that


Too early?

*)
 
2012-10-29 07:26:58 PM  
I'm going to bookmark this. If I'm ever without power for a few days, I'm coming here first!
 
2012-10-29 07:28:30 PM  

Indubitably: dofus: I assume there are people with freezers they just filled with game.

/Not a hunter so don't know if it's too early for that

Too early?

*)


If there's disaster, on an apocalyptical level, the season is on to feed my family, sir.
 
2012-10-29 07:28:31 PM  
Due to the high winds in Atlanta today, my power flickered earlier today. I just went ahead and ate my dog.
 
2012-10-29 07:32:10 PM  
Large renewable source of water ...check
stock piled canned and dry goods... check
Flash Lights... My god theres so many of them,check
Large brother in law with a black belt... check

All i have to do is clean my shottie

///OO buck and dragons breathe rounds a must
 
2012-10-29 07:32:25 PM  
Meh, during Frances and Jeane I used a propane hibachi to heat cans of chef boyardee, soup, canned veggies, etc. Peel the labels off and stick them right on teh grill. Those little propane cylinders can last a pretty long time. Fill up the tub for flushing etc.

/dnrtfa
//sick of the term frankenstorm.
 
2012-10-29 07:33:00 PM  
Jeezus H Christ. The Liberal MS Media is shiatting themselves. NY is gonna get a Cat 1 rain storm and every article is like the Book of Eli and how people can safely re-build society after the storm kills 99% of us. You don't see this kind of crap in the east coast mediot outlets for every dam cat 3 or 4 that hits Florida or Texas. The're like, huh, it's raining again in the Gulf of Mexico, here's Debbies best pizza resturant reviews on the East Side Eleventy!!11!!!
 
2012-10-29 07:33:16 PM  
Always keep your neighbors and your dog fat.
 
2012-10-29 07:33:42 PM  
I love the grill idea. and the warning about watching CO2 levels, but they never actually say DONT USE IT INDOORS. They just say "I know you can't use it outside in the storm, but.."

A supporter of natural selection?
 
2012-10-29 07:34:27 PM  

nvmac: Relatively Obscure: I assume that just cracking open a can of Chef Boyardee and pouring it into your face isn't on the list?

Having been deployed for months at a time in a field environment, almost ANY canned food is edible cold or hot.

Yes, even Chef Boyardee.

/Beefaroni for the win


Well, I've only enjoyed my cold canned chef boyardee while in the comforts of civilization, but I've found that the spagetti and meatballs is quite good with a heavy dousing of Crystal hot sauce, and a generous serving of freshly crushed black pepper. Jumbo meatballs was better, but they stopped making it.
 
2012-10-29 07:38:13 PM  

FunkOut: ZzeusS: People try to get through the aisles at Whole Foods Market in Midtown in New York on Sunday before the storm

Fail #1
Fail #2

Prepare a little bit first, ya idiots.

What I hate is when a store is going to be closed for a holiday and people go nuts buying stuff like it's the apocalypse. Yes, Grocery Mart will be closed for Christmas Day, you really don't need to buy a month's word of bread and milk. Cripes.



It doesn't take a whole lot of planning. Just the mindset. Little bit of pasta on sale here or there. Canned tuna. Dry or canned milk. Dry goods, etc.
 
2012-10-29 07:40:04 PM  
We've cooked over the gas fireplace in the past, worked pretty well.
 
2012-10-29 07:40:22 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Jeezus H Christ. The Liberal MS Media is shiatting themselves. NY is gonna get a Cat 1 rain storm and every article is like the Book of Eli and how people can safely re-build society after the storm kills 99% of us. You don't see this kind of crap in the east coast mediot outlets for every dam cat 3 or 4 that hits Florida or Texas. The're like, huh, it's raining again in the Gulf of Mexico, here's Debbies best pizza resturant reviews on the East Side Eleventy!!11!!!


Cat 1 rain storm with a 13ish foot storm surge combined with higher than average tides with the fullish moon... it's not the rain that's gonna fark with the south half of Manhattan...
 
2012-10-29 07:41:15 PM  

Dead-Guy: I love the grill idea. and the warning about watching CO2 levels, but they never actually say DONT USE IT INDOORS. They just say "I know you can't use it outside in the storm, but.."

A supporter of natural selection?




You only have to worry about oxygen displacement. Crack and window or two and you're golden.
 
2012-10-29 07:42:20 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2012-10-29 07:43:24 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Jeezus H Christ. The Liberal MS Media is shiatting themselves. NY is gonna get a Cat 1 rain storm and every article is like the Book of Eli and how people can safely re-build society after the storm kills 99% of us. You don't see this kind of crap in the east coast mediot outlets for every dam cat 3 or 4 that hits Florida or Texas. The're like, huh, it's raining again in the Gulf of Mexico, here's Debbies best pizza resturant reviews on the East Side Eleventy!!11!!!


I'm not saying it's an alien conspiracy, but...
 
2012-10-29 07:47:44 PM  

ZzeusS:
It doesn't take a whole lot of planning. Just the mindset. Little bit of pasta on sale here or there. Canned tuna. Dry or canned milk. Dry goods, etc.


What I find useful is anything you can make with some boiled water. Just add water soups, oatmeal, etc.
 
2012-10-29 07:54:27 PM  

LeafyGreens: Due to the high winds in Atlanta today, my power flickered earlier today. I just went ahead and ate my dog.


*rolling and crying with laughter*

seriously funny
 
2012-10-29 07:56:28 PM  
Yum, yum. Just like momma used to make... when she came home drunk.
modernsurvivalonline.com
 
2012-10-29 07:57:58 PM  

nvmac: Relatively Obscure: I assume that just cracking open a can of Chef Boyardee and pouring it into your face isn't on the list?

Having been deployed for months at a time in a field environment, almost ANY canned food is edible cold or hot.

Yes, even Chef Boyardee.

/Beefaroni for the win


It's what *I* do. I just knew something like that wouldn't be there.

/Hell yeah Beefaroni.
 
2012-10-29 08:00:13 PM  

Endive Wombat: queezyweezel: Here's what I have at my house; I'm not in hurricane country, but we have ice storms from time to time:
1Kw generator (small, quiet, sips gas)>>>RV 50A RV power supply (turns 120VAC to 14.4VDC)>>>4 deep cycle batteries>>>3/6KW inverter>>>transfer switch>>>circuit breaker panel for house

With this setup, the generator keeps the batteries charged up, and the inverter runs off of the batteries. Most of our power use is small (compact florescent bulbs, and gas heat), so the 1Kw generator handles this load, and the batteries/inverter handle the surge of the refrigerators starting up, as well as the microwave overn.
It's worked very well and 5 gallons of gas will last a few days.
The beauty of this system, is that you can still have power during a severe storm without going outside to run a generator. Then when the storm passes, you plug in the generator and get the batteries charged back up. (set this up originally as an inverter only system so that we could keep the lights/tv on in the basement during severe thunderstorms/tornadoes that we have from time to time here in the midwest).

Whenever I buy a home, one of the first purchases I intend to make is a natural gas powered, whole house generator. I know they are expensive, but I think over the course of 10-15 years, it would be well worth the expense. I would NEVER have to worry about loss of power.


two words for you -- tree roots -- uprooted trees can take out gas and water lines. And flooding can take out gas pumping stations. If storm damage is bad enough that your electricity is out for more than a couple of days, you may not have gas either.
 
2012-10-29 08:00:44 PM  

Endive Wombat: The wife and I rent the basement (with a full kitchen and huge storage) from her parents. The power could go out for a month and we would all be fine with the amount of food we've collectively got in the house. Additionally, we have a creek that always has water in it about 100' from the house.


Ha! You live in your parent's basement. Or your in-law's basement. This is fark why am I surprised?

/Just givin you a hard time
 
2012-10-29 08:04:31 PM  
I farkin' hate eggplant.
 
2012-10-29 08:04:41 PM  
No media source is mentioning this method because some listeners would probably get sick and sue them, but if you have heat you really don't need cold to keep several types of food such as stews and pot roasts edible for days.

If your food is in a pot with a fairly good lid you only need to heat it to boiling around once a day to keep it from spoiling. You do need to be disciplined to heat it after the lid has been put back on.

Before the days of refrigeration people would keep big pots of stew/soup/etc for days on end with this method.

The nursery rhyme "peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot 9 days old" mentions a case where something like a pea soup is still edible after nine days of this sort of heat treatment.
 
2012-10-29 08:06:29 PM  

HairBolus: No media source is mentioning this method because some listeners would probably get sick and sue them, but if you have heat you really don't need cold to keep several types of food such as stews and pot roasts edible for days.

If your food is in a pot with a fairly good lid you only need to heat it to boiling around once a day to keep it from spoiling. You do need to be disciplined to heat it after the lid has been put back on.

Before the days of refrigeration people would keep big pots of stew/soup/etc for days on end with this method.

The nursery rhyme "peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot 9 days old" mentions a case where something like a pea soup is still edible after nine days of this sort of heat treatment.


Okay, you're invited to lead the Quest.
 
2012-10-29 08:11:30 PM  

Farxist Marxist: I farkin' hate eggplant.


When I was growing up in SW La., we had a huge garden. We grew eggplant, squash, turnips and mustard greens among other things. We pretty much lived off what we grew and it seemed like we had all of the above quite a few times a week. When I left there I swore I would never eat that shiat again and I haven't. It's been 37 years since those things have crossed my lips.
 
2012-10-29 08:13:14 PM  

DrPainMD: Yum, yum. Just like momma used to make... when she came home drunk.
[modernsurvivalonline.com image 360x429]


Meals Refused by Everyone? Ewww.
 
2012-10-29 08:14:30 PM  

ClavellBCMI: DrPainMD: Yum, yum. Just like momma used to make... when she came home drunk.
[modernsurvivalonline.com image 360x429]

Meals Refused by Everyone? Ewww.


And yes, I could have substituted something else for Everyone, but I didn't feel like going there.
 
2012-10-29 08:20:01 PM  

Farxist Marxist: I farkin' hate eggplant.

 
2012-10-29 08:20:59 PM  
Nice call back subby.
 
2012-10-29 08:29:19 PM  

Farxist Marxist: I farkin' hate eggplant.


you haven't had my eggplant parmesan... I do an Indian fried eggplant that might change your mind too.
 
2012-10-29 08:34:12 PM  

yellowcat: Endive Wombat: queezyweezel: Here's what I have at my house; I'm not in hurricane country, but we have ice storms from time to time:
1Kw generator (small, quiet, sips gas)>>>RV 50A RV power supply (turns 120VAC to 14.4VDC)>>>4 deep cycle batteries>>>3/6KW inverter>>>transfer switch>>>circuit breaker panel for house

With this setup, the generator keeps the batteries charged up, and the inverter runs off of the batteries. Most of our power use is small (compact florescent bulbs, and gas heat), so the 1Kw generator handles this load, and the batteries/inverter handle the surge of the refrigerators starting up, as well as the microwave overn.
It's worked very well and 5 gallons of gas will last a few days.
The beauty of this system, is that you can still have power during a severe storm without going outside to run a generator. Then when the storm passes, you plug in the generator and get the batteries charged back up. (set this up originally as an inverter only system so that we could keep the lights/tv on in the basement during severe thunderstorms/tornadoes that we have from time to time here in the midwest).

Whenever I buy a home, one of the first purchases I intend to make is a natural gas powered, whole house generator. I know they are expensive, but I think over the course of 10-15 years, it would be well worth the expense. I would NEVER have to worry about loss of power.

two words for you -- tree roots -- uprooted trees can take out gas and water lines. And flooding can take out gas pumping stations. If storm damage is bad enough that your electricity is out for more than a couple of days, you may not have gas either.


My former employer had some big NG gensets to run the datacenter and uplinks. Worked great until a particularly nasty ice storm. Everybody had their NG fired heaters set to 11, and pressure in the line wasn't enough to run the generators when the power went out. A new set of diesels were installed a short time later.

And being on the FEMA critical infrastructure list meant they got to go to the head of the line if fuel became scarce.
 
2012-10-29 08:38:36 PM  

sleeps in trees: ZzeusS: Dead-Guy: I love the grill idea. and the warning about watching CO2 levels, but they never actually say DONT USE IT INDOORS. They just say "I know you can't use it outside in the storm, but.."

A supporter of natural selection?



You only have to worry about oxygen displacement. Crack and window or two and you're golden.

Crack solves everything.


No.
 
2012-10-29 08:49:35 PM  
I knew a lady once who knew how to cook a whole bunch of things on a car's engine block. She'd wrap meat, veggies, spices (anything you could otherwise grill, really,) into three layers of heavy-duty foil sealed tightly, set it on the engine, and either drive someplace or just run the engine for awhile and after one stop to flip the packet and about half the usual cooking time, she'd remove the whole shebang with welding gloves, tear it open and produce a delicious feast. She eventually became our Girl Scout leader and still is the sort of lady whom, if there ever came an occasion when the PTA ladies would have to bodily lift the school and move it to another location, she'd be the first person you'd think of. Former military, registered nurse, complete and utter badass. She even told me how to deliver a baby when I was four, because my Mom was pregnant and it might have come in handy. I still have her instructions for that, CPR, the Heimlich and an emergency tracheotomy with whatever's on hand cold memorized.
 
2012-10-29 08:54:36 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: I knew a lady once who knew how to cook a whole bunch of things on a car's engine block. She'd wrap meat, veggies, spices (anything you could otherwise grill, really,) into three layers of heavy-duty foil sealed tightly, set it on the engine, and either drive someplace or just run the engine for awhile and after one stop to flip the packet and about half the usual cooking time, she'd remove the whole shebang with welding gloves, tear it open and produce a delicious feast. She eventually became our Girl Scout leader and still is the sort of lady whom, if there ever came an occasion when the PTA ladies would have to bodily lift the school and move it to another location, she'd be the first person you'd think of. Former military, registered nurse, complete and utter badass. She even told me how to deliver a baby when I was four, because my Mom was pregnant and it might have come in handy. I still have her instructions for that, CPR, the Heimlich and an emergency tracheotomy with whatever's on hand cold memorized.


*blush*
 
2012-10-29 08:58:52 PM  
cdn.ksk.uproxx.com
 
2012-10-29 09:14:40 PM  

Richard Saunders: Protip: Peanut butter.


Yep, peanut butter and crackers go a long way. Canned tuna, soups. Canned beverages (always have some V8 on hand). Any decent energy bars (I eat Clif bars for breakfast half the time anyway, they're good and I'm lazy). Poptarts. The list goes on and on.

Or you can try to fire up the grill in 40-mph wind and have the fire trucks come visit, as they just went down my block an hour ago. And I'm not even in power-loss territory yet.
 
2012-10-29 09:17:00 PM  

RoyBatty: HairBolus: No media source is mentioning this method because some listeners would probably get sick and sue them, but if you have heat you really don't need cold to keep several types of food such as stews and pot roasts edible for days.

If your food is in a pot with a fairly good lid you only need to heat it to boiling around once a day to keep it from spoiling. You do need to be disciplined to heat it after the lid has been put back on.

Before the days of refrigeration people would keep big pots of stew/soup/etc for days on end with this method.

The nursery rhyme "peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot 9 days old" mentions a case where something like a pea soup is still edible after nine days of this sort of heat treatment.

Okay, you're invited to lead the Quest.


I did say that proper discipline was necessary. This is easiest when there is enough food to keep everybody well fed, though you do need to guard against the fatties who might might stick their hands into a cold pot to grab an extra between meal snack and contaminate the pot. If you suspect such pilfering then extra reheating is recommended.

The situation does fail when food is limited and some people have dysentery. Then you get a downwards spiral of contamination and death.
 
2012-10-29 09:21:54 PM  

Indubitably: sleeps in trees: ZzeusS: Dead-Guy: I love the grill idea. and the warning about watching CO2 levels, but they never actually say DONT USE IT INDOORS. They just say "I know you can't use it outside in the storm, but.."

A supporter of natural selection?



You only have to worry about oxygen displacement. Crack and window or two and you're golden.

Crack solves everything.

No.


oxygen displacement.. interesting. Normally, that's used in reference to the fact that CO2 displaces the oxygen when you breathe. Your bloodcells would rather bond with the CO2.. effectively displacing the oxygen. That's why most kitchen gas stoves and suchlike have a hood with a powered exhaust fan.

I seriously mean no offense here, but as for whether a cracked window is sufficient to keep my family and pets alive, I'll take my advice from FEMA on the subject: Link rather than random internet guy I've never met.

It's interesting to think that Natural selection these days might boil down to whether folks follow established advice presented by trusted sources, or haphazardly follow some guy that claims he didn't die the last time he tried it.
 
2012-10-29 09:25:10 PM  

Dead-Guy: Indubitably: sleeps in trees: ZzeusS: Dead-Guy: I love the grill idea. and the warning about watching CO2 levels, but they never actually say DONT USE IT INDOORS. They just say "I know you can't use it outside in the storm, but.."

A supporter of natural selection?



You only have to worry about oxygen displacement. Crack and window or two and you're golden.

Crack solves everything.

No.

oxygen displacement.. interesting. Normally, that's used in reference to the fact that CO2 displaces the oxygen when you breathe. Your bloodcells would rather bond with the CO2.. effectively displacing the oxygen. That's why most kitchen gas stoves and suchlike have a hood with a powered exhaust fan.

I seriously mean no offense here, but as for whether a cracked window is sufficient to keep my family and pets alive, I'll take my advice from FEMA on the subject: Link rather than random internet guy I've never met.

It's interesting to think that Natural selection these days might boil down to whether folks follow established advice presented by trusted sources, or haphazardly follow some guy that claims he didn't die the last time he tried it.


No squared.
 
2012-10-29 09:30:05 PM  
I made fresh bread and chocolate chip cookies yesterday so we're all set here in Northern Virginia. Chilling with a glass of wine and listening to the fire rescue scanner feed.
 
2012-10-29 09:36:04 PM  

Endive Wombat: queezyweezel: Here's what I have at my house; I'm not in hurricane country, but we have ice storms from time to time:
1Kw generator (small, quiet, sips gas)>>>RV 50A RV power supply (turns 120VAC to 14.4VDC)>>>4 deep cycle batteries>>>3/6KW inverter>>>transfer switch>>>circuit breaker panel for house

With this setup, the generator keeps the batteries charged up, and the inverter runs off of the batteries. Most of our power use is small (compact florescent bulbs, and gas heat), so the 1Kw generator handles this load, and the batteries/inverter handle the surge of the refrigerators starting up, as well as the microwave overn.
It's worked very well and 5 gallons of gas will last a few days.
The beauty of this system, is that you can still have power during a severe storm without going outside to run a generator. Then when the storm passes, you plug in the generator and get the batteries charged back up. (set this up originally as an inverter only system so that we could keep the lights/tv on in the basement during severe thunderstorms/tornadoes that we have from time to time here in the midwest).

Whenever I buy a home, one of the first purchases I intend to make is a natural gas powered, whole house generator. I know they are expensive, but I think over the course of 10-15 years, it would be well worth the expense. I would NEVER have to worry about loss of power.


Mitt ?
 
2012-10-29 09:38:05 PM  
"Mercifully" missing from the list, I might add.
 
2012-10-29 10:00:53 PM  
I evac to my parents house. 14kw generator powers the whole house. If we are careful, I hear it can power the hot tube. I mean, there is no reason to be uncivilized
 
2012-10-29 10:03:49 PM  

ZzeusS: Little bit of pasta on sale here or there.


Get couscous, not pasta. Couscous has way more surface area so it cooks faster, wasting less energy, and it absorbs all the water it cooks in, so you aren't wasting any of your water either. It's really popular among backpackers for the same reasons.
 
2012-10-29 10:06:54 PM  
Considering the four year old here, I also have a pantry full of Chef Boyardee. And I bought a new bag of charcoal for the kettle grill, so I can cook up anything that may go bad once the power goes out.
 
2012-10-29 10:28:41 PM  

nvmac: Relatively Obscure: I assume that just cracking open a can of Chef Boyardee and pouring it into your face isn't on the list?

Having been deployed for months at a time in a field environment, almost ANY canned food is edible cold or hot.

Yes, even Chef Boyardee.

/Beefaroni for the win



I have 12 MREs in the pantry, and that's enough for 2 people for at least a month. Because after the first few, your bowels will convince your brain that eating more is not worth the hassle.

CSB:

A few years back, a young private came up to his dedicated and pedantic supply sergeant (yours truly):

Young private: Hey sergeant ... we've been eating MREs like 3 days straight now ...

Supply sergeant: Yeah, I know, I'm the one that gets them out of that ISU over there for you.

Young private: There's a reg on MREs now ... so if you feed them to soldiers too long ... you're in trouble ... so you don't want none of us complaining ... just saying ...

Supply sergeant: 21

Young private: Like what...

Supply sergeant: 21 days in a ROW M*THERF*CKER. PUSH YOU PIECE OF SH*T. WHAT THE F*CK DO YOU THINK I DO FOR A LIVING?! I WILL BREAK MY FOOT OFF IN YOUR A**. WHO THE F*CK IS YOUR FIRST LINE?!! LOWER YOU F*CKING PIECE OF SH*T MAKE YOUR NIPPLES TOUCH THE F*CKING DUST. THEY ENJOY THAT KINDA SH*T.

On the other hand, the infantry guys and rangers would bend over backwards to avoid causing me any trouble. These guys would be out for a month without a shower, but still hesitate before requesting something simple. They always made me feel like I was doing them a big favor by taking care of them. I'd come out of retirement and relearn how to do pushups if those guys needed me to.
 
2012-10-29 10:37:16 PM  
home.whatsmykarma.com
 
2012-10-29 11:05:16 PM  

sno man: Farxist Marxist: I farkin' hate eggplant.

you haven't had my eggplant parmesan... I do an Indian fried eggplant that might change your mind too.


I do not want your parmesan
I will not like it
sno my man
 
2012-10-29 11:13:45 PM  

Farxist Marxist: sno man: Farxist Marxist: I farkin' hate eggplant.

you haven't had my eggplant parmesan... I do an Indian fried eggplant that might change your mind too.

I do not want your parmesan
I will not like it
sno my man


Say!
In the dark?
Here in the dark!
Would you, could you, in the dark?
 
2012-10-29 11:29:01 PM  
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not as much of a problem as Carbon Monoxide (CO), which will kill you quicker and uglier if you drag that charcoal grill or generator into the house or garage.
 
2012-10-29 11:35:55 PM  

sno man: Farxist Marxist: sno man: Farxist Marxist: I farkin' hate eggplant.

you haven't had my eggplant parmesan... I do an Indian fried eggplant that might change your mind too.

I do not want your parmesan
I will not like it
sno my man

Say!
In the dark?
Here in the dark!
Would you, could you, in the dark?


he would not -- it's not news, it's fark
 
2012-10-30 12:19:13 AM  
My place is surrounded by about 4-5 feet of water right now. We have a bunch of stuff. Nuts, dried and fresh fruit, peanut butter, crackers, a bunch of canned stuff and dehydrated food packs and all of the stuff in the freezer in vacuum sealed packs. We have a little bit of a prepper mindset, though I realized there were a few holes in our plans so I ordered a bunch if stuff last night for the next time. One of which is a portable butane stove. The power is still on here so that's not so bad.
 
2012-10-30 12:49:05 AM  
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2012-10-30 02:00:03 AM  
As a lifelong veteran of several/many/bunches of hurricanes and close calls, I can appreciate the uncertainty and even fear the inexperienced might be experiencing. The damn things can be loud, scary and downright destructive. With that in mind, I've watched "your" storm" and refrained from being all snarky (except for that one time).

I've been there. Some folks won't fare as well as others. Check on your neighbors. Do what you can for each other. You'll be okay.

i199.photobucket.com
Had a good friend in New York City.

/your cherry got popped
//I'm not fapping... this time
///now you can stop being media-hype driven, nancy-boy ridiculous 
////you'll feel good about yourself later on and have a tale to tell to boot
 
2012-10-30 02:47:29 AM  

Slamfire69: Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not as much of a problem as Carbon Monoxide (CO), which will kill you quicker and uglier if you drag that charcoal grill or generator into the house or garage.


Trudat, however, for the sake of accuracy, it's not an "ugly" death. In fact, it's kind of a peaceful way to go. And therein lies the danger. One just sorta feels tired, lays down, goes to sleep... and, well, then it may be too late. On the brighter side, ya'll look better CO-dead than dead-by-natural-causes. So you'll have that going for you.

That said, NO generators, NO BBQ grills, NO nothing that is petroleum-burning or has a flame under a roof line before, during or after (that means clean-up time, too).

CO Poisoning After a Hurricane

TYVM.

/ I really don't want to have to work on you.
 
2012-10-30 07:27:53 AM  

Dead-Guy: Indubitably: sleeps in trees: ZzeusS: Dead-Guy: I love the grill idea. and the warning about watching CO2 levels, but they never actually say DONT USE IT INDOORS. They just say "I know you can't use it outside in the storm, but.."

A supporter of natural selection?



You only have to worry about oxygen displacement. Crack and window or two and you're golden.

Crack solves everything.

No.

oxygen displacement.. interesting. Normally, that's used in reference to the fact that CO2 displaces the oxygen when you breathe. Your bloodcells would rather bond with the CO2.. effectively displacing the oxygen. That's why most kitchen gas stoves and suchlike have a hood with a powered exhaust fan.

I seriously mean no offense here, but as for whether a cracked window is sufficient to keep my family and pets alive, I'll take my advice from FEMA on the subject: Link rather than random internet guy I've never met.

It's interesting to think that Natural selection these days might boil down to whether folks follow established advice presented by trusted sources, or haphazardly follow some guy that claims he didn't die the last time he tried it.



Do what you need to do. Proper ventilation is proper ventilation. One 16 oz propane bottle on a portable grill, on the top of the stove, with opened windows on each side of the house so that I can feel the actual breeze blowing through the kitchen, will not cause me to lose any sleep. No loose clothing. Burners on low. Two fire extinguishers at hand. Been doing this for a while. If I had the external RV exhaust tube for my quiet little 1kw generator, I'd put that inside, too.

The FEMA warnings are for the general populace who don't normally think engineering thoughts. And I'm OK with that too. Go to your shelter and let someone else take care of you.

If it's really, really really a problem, I may go put it outside on the patio. But I've been pretty comfortable with my setup for years and somehow still alive to tell the tale.
 
2012-10-30 07:33:47 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: ZzeusS: Little bit of pasta on sale here or there.

Get couscous, not pasta. Couscous has way more surface area so it cooks faster, wasting less energy, and it absorbs all the water it cooks in, so you aren't wasting any of your water either. It's really popular among backpackers for the same reasons.



Got a few boxes off that, too. Amazing how the Publix's around here want to get rid of it so badly. Those Little Near East 6 oz boxes make an amazing amount of food. Tasty, too!
 
2012-10-30 09:22:44 AM  
I live in Florida, the hurricane capitol of the US and more recently dumb ass central.

Been through so many hurricanes that my place is always prepared. If you lived here before the 70's, you learned real fast about hurricane survival. After Katrina, I added a generator. Before Katrina I added guns. During that year of back to back hurricanes, we had people going around and stealing generators, at night, even if they were running.

Basic stuff. Canned and dried off the shelf foods, supplies of water, candles, lamp oil, gasoline and propane lamps, batteries and flashlights. I've a couple of old camping stoves for cooking and a BBQ grill that burns tree branches as well as charcoal. I usually have a large tarp laying about.

Having been a Boy Scout and loving camping, the skills I learned serve me well.

The only concern I have is that due to massive development in my area, the contours of the land have changed. Zoning laws require homes to be built up X number of feet above ground level. Lots are filled in so homes sit on small mounds. This causes major runoff, along with newly paved roads that are often higher than drive ways.

My home, built in the 50's old Florida style, is now the low point of the neighborhood and without all of the wild woods that used to surround us, low level flooding has become a real concern.

I'll be approaching the County land commission about this soon. Seems when they built everything up, they closed up the normal, small drainage ditches along side the road. I've watched water pour like a stream off the road, down my driveway and flood my yard. During the rainy season this year, about a half inch of water got into the lowest area of my home.

After 50 years of no flooding under some of the harshest conditions, the Housing Boom created some.

After the last major hurricane hit, my yard was full of other people's roofing singles. My home, built in the old flat roofed style, has no shingles. Everyone around me now has a northern style peaked roof, with asphalt shingles that apparently tear off if a squirrel farts.

BTW. South of me, around West Palm Beach, houses are falling into the sea. Until the 70's, you were NOT allowed to build a home or building right up against the beach in most areas for obvious reasons (remember, Hurricane Capitol of the US) but greedy developers managed to get the laws changed.

Not real sympathetic over someone's million dollar home, 50 feet from the high tide mark, suddenly becoming an island that disintegrates. Common sense alone should have warned them.
 
2012-10-30 08:22:52 PM  

ZeroPly: nvmac: Relatively Obscure: I assume that just cracking open a can of Chef Boyardee and pouring it into your face isn't on the list?

Having been deployed for months at a time in a field environment, almost ANY canned food is edible cold or hot.

Yes, even Chef Boyardee.

/Beefaroni for the win


I have 12 MREs in the pantry, and that's enough for 2 people for at least a month. Because after the first few, your bowels will convince your brain that eating more is not worth the hassle.

CSB:

A few years back, a young private came up to his dedicated and pedantic supply sergeant (yours truly):

Young private: Hey sergeant ... we've been eating MREs like 3 days straight now ...

Supply sergeant: Yeah, I know, I'm the one that gets them out of that ISU over there for you.

Young private: There's a reg on MREs now ... so if you feed them to soldiers too long ... you're in trouble ... so you don't want none of us complaining ... just saying ...

Supply sergeant: 21

Young private: Like what...

Supply sergeant: 21 days in a ROW M*THERF*CKER. PUSH YOU PIECE OF SH*T. WHAT THE F*CK DO YOU THINK I DO FOR A LIVING?! I WILL BREAK MY FOOT OFF IN YOUR A**. WHO THE F*CK IS YOUR FIRST LINE?!! LOWER YOU F*CKING PIECE OF SH*T MAKE YOUR NIPPLES TOUCH THE F*CKING DUST. THEY ENJOY THAT KINDA SH*T.

On the other hand, the infantry guys and rangers would bend over backwards to avoid causing me any trouble. These guys would be out for a month without a shower, but still hesitate before requesting something simple. They always made me feel like I was doing them a big favor by taking care of them. I'd come out of retirement and relearn how to do pushups if those guys needed me to.


Dude, you created army flashback for me

/not good
 
2012-10-30 08:28:58 PM  
Elena, Keesler AFB: Someone pulled the fire alarm in the barracks where our family sheltered. They evacuated all the single troops and crammed families into their rooms and I guess just hoped we wouldn't break their stuff.

The pulled fire alarm was during the first hour of the storm. That fire alarm went off for something like thirty hours--hours! in a row and caused an epidemic of PTSD. Apparently the fire department would have been the ones to come shut off that noise from hell, and they had better things to do.

I disobeyed the rules and ventured to the other side of a giant wardrobe being used to block the windows. I wanted to see out. Whoa. Rain and wind. What did I expect? But, as I did so, a pine tree right outside the window TWISTED and shattered where it broke, while most of it fell across the cars in the Noah-worthy flood happening below. We found out later that one car crushed in the parking lot was the brand-new Corvette of a brand-new Captain who drove it straight from the sales lot to the insurance agent. They laughed at him. There's a hurricane about to hit us, Air Force. No new policies. But I think the feds covered it since it was destroyed on base. That's sort of like a saving throw, isn't it? I'm so glad the taxpayers never run out of money as that was such a NICE thing to do for that young man.

After the hurricane had passed, and that damned alarm was still shrieking, we all waited as eager as buffalo on cocaine. We wanted to go out and see if we had any stuff left in our crummy off-base rental house. They wouldn't let anyone out because of downed wires. I could almost see the sense in that. However, one family crowded up against us had a four year old child with the stickiest fingers of all time and an apparently bottomless glass of orange juice. That shrieking demon would not let us alone and her mother obviously was enjoying the relief of having her child poking sticky fingers up someone else's nose. She spilled orange juice on my nearly full sketchbook. That was the best sketchbook I ever worked on, and she soaked the thing. This was before laptops were common. I couldn't save my work or hit control-Z. That orange juice was there to stay on my very best work. My spouse had to save her life.

We got back potable water on base while many local were still doing without, so as roads cleared, we took drinkable water to some pretty grateful friends. Friends from the game store, mostly. The name of that game store is RIGHT at the tip of my tongue, but I'm typing so that's no use.

Food doesn't run out for awhile but you get desperate for a sponge bath quicker than you expect.

During the power outage, we removed headlights from the junkers, ran some speaker wire, and hung the lights in our living room. As people came over to inquire how we got our power back on already, we'd rope them into pot luck with their best thawing freezer treasures, OMG I love pierogie! how did you find pierogie in Mississippi??! This is the best ice cream ever! And we had an awful lot of shrimp cocktail. We'd all play Monopoly or RPGs until dawn. The best game store I ever knew was in Biloxi. Wonder if it has survived since then. Good times.

Alas, after that first day, all the active duty folk were handed chain saws and kidnapped by the Air Force. They trucked them all around the county to clear roads, and as I recall, they got medals for doing it. Well, it was fun while it lasted. Except for the party mixies in the bathroom. "If it's yellow let it mellow. If it's brown, leave it for the next person to dunk water out of the tub and pour it in the tank." That seemed to be the unspoken rule. Some people just can't abide the notion of manually flushing their own waste.

We drove past a Piggly Wiggly that had a long, long rioting line outside. Someone had brought down a truck of ice and selling it for crazy prices, something like $20/bag. People were punching each other trying to get to the ice. One truckload can sell out pretty quickly.

The thing that really startles you is how much garbage gets strewn around on everything. Pink insulation. Dirty diapers. Bizarre things like cancelled checks from a time three decades and an address three hundred miles away. And there will be shredded leaves everywhere, and morons will get right out there and use the very last drinking water in the tower to rinse the leaf debris off their car. You can't shoot people for being that stupid, but if you do fail to restrain yourself, at least it is simpler than usual to get rid of the body. Or so I heard.

It's wonderful how things like $20/bag ice bring a community together. 

Mississippi back then was not afflicted by gangs coordinating their looting with Twitter. Besides, neither the locals nor the GIs there for training had much worth selling. I think we ended up putting our 286s in the car hoping they'd survive better there than in our rental efficiency two blocks from the beach. 

I guess this isn't long enough so I'll add that we had carefully taped up the landlord's windows, because there was no plywood to be had at any price by the time the tech school released the students to go see to their own storm preparations. Another storm loomed in the Gulf and we moved on to our next base, but that B-d land lord charged us the cost of replacing the windows because "the tape cannot be removed." Baloney.
 
2012-10-31 07:39:55 PM  

LadyBugPicnic: Elena, Keesler AFB: Someone pulled the fire alarm in the barracks where our family sheltered. They evacuated all the single troops and crammed families into their rooms and I guess just hoped we wouldn't break their stuff.

The pulled fire alarm was during the first hour of the storm. That fire alarm went off for something like thirty hours--hours! in a row and caused an epidemic of PTSD. Apparently the fire department would have been the ones to come shut off that noise from hell, and they had better things to do.

I disobeyed the rules and ventured to the other side of a giant wardrobe being used to block the windows. I wanted to see out. Whoa. Rain and wind. What did I expect? But, as I did so, a pine tree right outside the window TWISTED and shattered where it broke, while most of it fell across the cars in the Noah-worthy flood happening below. We found out later that one car crushed in the parking lot was the brand-new Corvette of a brand-new Captain who drove it straight from the sales lot to the insurance agent. They laughed at him. There's a hurricane about to hit us, Air Force. No new policies. But I think the feds covered it since it was destroyed on base. That's sort of like a saving throw, isn't it? I'm so glad the taxpayers never run out of money as that was such a NICE thing to do for that young man.

After the hurricane had passed, and that damned alarm was still shrieking, we all waited as eager as buffalo on cocaine. We wanted to go out and see if we had any stuff left in our crummy off-base rental house. They wouldn't let anyone out because of downed wires. I could almost see the sense in that. However, one family crowded up against us had a four year old child with the stickiest fingers of all time and an apparently bottomless glass of orange juice. That shrieking demon would not let us alone and her mother obviously was enjoying the relief of having her child poking sticky fingers up someone else's nose. She spilled orange juice on my n ...


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