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2012-10-29 06:32:03 PM
16 votes:
That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.
2012-10-29 06:34:03 PM
9 votes:
I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.
2012-10-29 06:39:20 PM
8 votes:
XKCD frequently knocks it outta the park in creating large graphical representations of relations between things.

This isn't one of those things.
2012-10-29 06:36:12 PM
7 votes:

fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.


Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.
2012-10-29 06:51:16 PM
5 votes:
Note the loss of the centrist right. I'm a centrist. On some issues I lean left, on some I lean right. That's pretty much the definition of a centrist. The loss of the centrist-right means the Republicans have lost an important limiting factor. This results in them going even more to the right extreme. The further right they go, the more people will abandon them and join the Democrats or a third party. The republicans are too stupid to realize that by pandering to their extremist, they are losing everything.
2012-10-29 07:23:45 PM
4 votes:
I'm amused by how many people immediately rejected the infographic because "left and right is overly simplified" without any of them discovering what the "left-right" variable actually represents.
2012-10-29 07:07:59 PM
4 votes:

wickedragon: Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".
I think the US could really, really benefit from som modern "leaft leaning politics".
better job security, modern taxation systems, free health care for everyone, free education system. Lifting up the weakest parts of society is cheaper than lifting up the already rich parts of society, and it also lowers crime, creates a feeling safety both for personal economy and physical well being and thusly increases productivity. Which also makes a large portion of society happier.

So, yay scandinavian socialism!


Blech, I hate US politics because you're a bunch of crazies, but the main impediment with your plan is that the US has massive income disparity which makes it very hard to implement such plans because the major taxpayers are not the ones that benefit. A broad middle-class with very few top earners and very few low earners is what is required. Also I'm not sure there's any US citizen that would ever be okay with things like a 25% national sales tax (VAT).
2012-10-29 06:47:57 PM
4 votes:

Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".


Let me help you out. "Left leaning" != Stalinism. That should help you keep up with the conversation.
2012-10-29 06:37:24 PM
4 votes:

Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.


Actually ever since his girlfriend got cancer his comics went way downhill, unfortunately for everybody involved.
2012-10-29 06:35:43 PM
4 votes:

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


Left and Right political leanings can't even be meaningfully defined over the course of 230 years.

I'm really not even sure they can be meaningfully defined at any given instant. They're ultimately just shorthand for the issue positions of the two major parties.
2012-10-29 06:58:00 PM
3 votes:

Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".

I think the US could really, really benefit from som modern "leaft leaning politics".
better job security, modern taxation systems, free health care for everyone, free education system. Lifting up the weakest parts of society is cheaper than lifting up the already rich parts of society, and it also lowers crime, creates a feeling safety both for personal economy and physical well being and thusly increases productivity. Which also makes a large portion of society happier.

So, yay scandinavian socialism!
2012-10-29 06:45:45 PM
3 votes:
I really wanted to like this, but just couldn't. Trying to force everything into a left/right dichotomy just doesn't work for many historical parties. Were the Republicans a right or left party when their main plank was opposition to slavery? What about the Whigs? Their main policy was federal support for the economy. Is that left or right? What about their opponents the Democrats. They were definitely populists and wanted to keep the government out of people's personal lives. Is that right or left? It seems like it would depend on what was going on at the time. Right/left just confuses the issue.

Beyond that, the graph, as drawn is virtually indecipherable. I couldn't make heads or tails of what it was supposed to mean.
2012-10-29 05:28:39 PM
3 votes:
i0.kym-cdn.com
2012-10-29 09:15:15 PM
2 votes:
Legislative Durations (Rep v Dem):

For the House
farm5.staticflickr.com
(pops to really big size)

For the Senate
farm5.staticflickr.com
(pops to really big size)

back story

/this is why voting against incumbents is a good idea
2012-10-29 08:23:11 PM
2 votes:

Gunther: Hunter_Worthington: I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.

The post you made that irritated everyone implied that all left-leaning parties were disastrous, not just a couple of obscure, far-left foreign parties from several decades ago. If that's the standard you're using, we should avoid electing any right-leaning party due to the actions of the right-leaning Independent Democratic Union party in Chile in the 1970's or the Nationalists in Spain in the 1940's.

/there was another right-leaning European party in the 1940's that wasn't particularly spiffy, but people tend to dislike comparisons to it


Ahem....

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2012-10-29 08:09:38 PM
2 votes:

Hunter_Worthington: I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.


The post you made that irritated everyone implied that all left-leaning parties were disastrous, not just a couple of obscure, far-left foreign parties from several decades ago. If that's the standard you're using, we should avoid electing any right-leaning party due to the actions of the right-leaning Independent Democratic Union party in Chile in the 1970's or the Nationalists in Spain in the 1940's.

/there was another right-leaning European party in the 1940's that wasn't particularly spiffy, but people tend to dislike comparisons to it
2012-10-29 08:06:23 PM
2 votes:
imgs.xkcd.com
Killing two birds with one stone comic.
2012-10-29 07:13:12 PM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-10-29 06:59:07 PM
2 votes:
Anyone else notice just how massive the far-right portion of the House membership is at this point? Nearly as large a proportion as we've had since the time of the Federalists. That certainly puts things in perspective a bit.
2012-10-29 06:50:14 PM
2 votes:

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


Its weighted based on how solidly people vote with their party not any particular ideology. Certainly a useful measure, but potentially confusing if the words 'left' and 'right' are still used, yeah.

Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".


lol. Stay mad cappy.
2012-10-29 06:48:53 PM
2 votes:

un4gvn666: Yeah, that FDR guy sure was an asshole...


Yeah, actually he was. I like the court stacking proposals as they show just how slimy he really was.
2012-10-29 06:46:40 PM
2 votes:

Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".


Yeah, that FDR guy sure was an asshole...
2012-10-29 06:45:49 PM
2 votes:

Shazam999: Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.

Actually ever since his girlfriend got cancer his comics went way downhill, unfortunately for everybody involved.


I disagree. Just looking over the last ten posts I like all of them except Law of Drama, and actually think some of them are really good, such as Microsoft, Electoral Precedent, The Universal Label and Objects In Mirror. I thik both The Universal Label and Objects in Mirror are among the best ever. I actually guffawed from Objects in Mirror, which isn't something that happens often. Had to wash my beard and everything x)
2012-10-29 06:45:25 PM
2 votes:

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Wait. Is it not cool to like XKCD anymore?


No everyone is on The Oatmeal's jock now.
2012-10-29 06:38:55 PM
2 votes:

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


That's the problem I had with it too. There was a time where the Republican party was the liberal one.
2012-10-29 06:36:51 PM
2 votes:
This is probably the worst thing I have ever seen on XKCD. Left, Right, Conservative, Liberal, the bare minimum of what it takes to organize politics boiled down to lines that have very little real meaning. It looks fancy but it doesn't explain much.

I would rather have gotten a graph or chart showing the ethnicity, the religion, or previous employment of Congressmen and Senators over this.
2012-10-29 06:36:23 PM
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.


I just lined up one of the columns and read everything while scrolling all the way down, then went over to the other column and read everything scrolling all the way back. Each one fit quite nicely on my screen, actually.

/thought it was awesome
2012-10-29 06:34:47 PM
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.


It still isn't big enough honestly.
2012-10-29 06:32:41 PM
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.


Click on it to see a full size version
2012-10-29 05:32:26 PM
2 votes:
Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.
2012-10-30 02:29:54 AM
1 votes:

Jesda: An entirely absurd linear political spectrum.


You know, if you've got something to say, I've found that verbs can help a lot, especially when used in sentences.
2012-10-29 10:38:01 PM
1 votes:

Hunter_Worthington: Gunther: Hunter_Worthington: I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.

The post you made that irritated everyone implied that all left-leaning parties were disastrous, not just a couple of obscure, far-left foreign parties from several decades ago. If that's the standard you're using, we should avoid electing any right-leaning party due to the actions of the right-leaning Independent Democratic Union party in Chile in the 1970's or the Nationalists in Spain in the 1940's.

/there was another right-leaning European party in the 1940's that wasn't particularly spiffy, but people tend to dislike comparisons to it

uh... Go look up what party the President of France belongs to, or... oh, I see what you did there. 8/10. I bit. Good job.

DarwiOdrade: Gunther: Hunter_Worthington: I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.

The post you made that irritated everyone implied that all left-leaning parties were disastrous, not just a couple of obscure, far-left foreign parties from several decades ago. If that's the standard you're using, we should avoid electing any right-leaning party due to the actions of the right-leaning Independent Democratic Union party in Chile in the 1970's or the Nationalists in Spain in the 1940's.

/there was another right-leaning European party in the 1940's that wasn't particularly spiffy, but people tend to dislike comparisons to it

Ahem....

Login: Hunter_Worthington
Account created: 2012-10-28 17:28:40

Yep. I created my account yesterday. Your screen name is a woman who dies before the end of Chapter House: Dune, and the Half-Blood Prince was the best Harry Potter book.

Do you have a point ...


Troll = troll. That was the prior poster's point. You know your way around trolling the FARK politics threads, so you've been around... thus the ALT. Whatsamatter? Don't want to stain your primary account? Or are you too ignored on that one?
2012-10-29 10:06:17 PM
1 votes:

SineSwiper: schnee: /this is why voting against incumbents is a good idea

Wat? That doesn't even make goddamn sense.


Because we've created professional legislators over time (as seen by the heights of the arcs increasing). I get that this is voting against your State's interests (seniority brings more $$$ to your State). Get the legislators back into society.
2012-10-29 09:28:53 PM
1 votes:
Well, I liked it.

You can't please everyone.
2012-10-29 09:21:04 PM
1 votes:

PunGent: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...


Well, I like xkcd, so I don't really fit. Bearing that in mind:

Girl Genius
Goblins
Problem Sleuth (I enjoy Homestuck as well, but, uh... it's a hard thing to get into at this point, to say the least)
Sinfest
Basic Instructions
Bob the Angry Flower

All great comics. I also like Penny Arcade but, uh, no one needs a LINK to that.
2012-10-29 08:36:13 PM
1 votes:
I'm wondering if this graph might have been more successful if he'd just avoided the swoopies as fractions joined or left the House and Senate. He's already using left-right as a political spectrum, so overloading an axis with a second level of meaning just makes things messy, in my opinion.
2012-10-29 08:23:59 PM
1 votes:

Why Would I Read the Article: MisterRonbo: Many, many right wing sites I've seen claim Democrats took the Senate in "2006" and the recession started in "2008", in an attempt to put some daylight between Republicans controlling the White House, the House of Rep.s, and the Senate, and the start of the recession.

Citation needed.


Rep. Virginia Foxx "The economy began its nose dive when Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007."

A typical conservative blog, there are dozens claiming Democrats caused the recession and Republicans tried to stop it


No collection of blame-the-Dems derp would be complete without an entry from Red State, where Democrats, primarily, caused the recession and prevent a real recovery


Then there are the ones who love to blame Barney Frank for single-handedly causing the recession (cause teh ghey) Rave this if you know the Democrats caused the 2008 recession!


Some admit the recession started in 2007, but its still all the fault of you know who: Ultimately, it appears that Democrats and their progressive policies are mostly to blame for The Great Recession of 2007-08.

And it continues, a letter to the editor published yesterday: Blame Dems back to Clinton for recession

These examples were all drawn from the very first page of google results I got on a search: democrats created recession started 2008
2012-10-29 08:05:32 PM
1 votes:
At first I'm like
groups.ultimate-guitar.com

Then I'm like 

www.nobodygoeshere.com
2012-10-29 07:49:09 PM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: The Flexecutioner: read the legend. it is easily understood if you choose to. or attack others for your having not done so.

Yeah, sorry, no.

I don't have to read the legend. The graph is shiat. When it is small it is too small. When it is large it is too large.

The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.

or attack others for your having not done so.

Where have I attacked anyone?

Sorry if you feel my criticism of the chart hurts your ability to get to the gym in 26 minutes. For you, I have xkcd.com/386


oh sorry. let me clarify. not ever graphic has to be catered to the lowest common denominator. when i was in grade school i was taught when reading maps to first look at the legend so that i knew what stuff meant. i guess it was generational to be taught better.
2012-10-29 07:14:23 PM
1 votes:
No, Democrats did not take control of the Senate in 2006. The election was in November of 2006, which means they took control in January of 2007.

This is important because the recession started in October of 2007.

Many, many right wing sites I've seen claim Democrats took the Senate in "2006" and the recession started in "2008", in an attempt to put some daylight between Republicans controlling the White House, the House of Rep.s, and the Senate, and the start of the recession.

And that annoys the hell out of me.
2012-10-29 07:07:47 PM
1 votes:

eiger: Geez, I didn't know FDR was a slimy politician. In my mind, that completely de-legitimizes the entire New Deal. Next thing you know you'll tell me that sometimes LBJ wasn't completely honest!


No, the rewriting of the commerce clause by the court does that.
2012-10-29 07:06:18 PM
1 votes:
Ok as noted above, the right-left variable is really a misnomer - the guys who created it didn't mean it to be used as such and a box on the right explains it's really just a number for "party loyalty."
2012-10-29 06:54:59 PM
1 votes:
i lol'd at the absence of the the center right portions of recent House members. said a lot. also made much more sense when i read the legend off to the right of it. i see how they calculated it and it sounded pretty ... sound.
2012-10-29 06:53:36 PM
1 votes:
DW-Nominate says itself that scores from different eras aren't really comparable to each other due to movements of the nation as a whole. Which does reduce the usability a bit, but I did kinda always wonder what all those numbers would look like in one big set.

The era thing is accounted for with noting the different eras, but the thing I don't like is how he veered the lines away from center to note people leaving Congress. It makes it look like people got more extreme right as they were leaving.
2012-10-29 06:52:48 PM
1 votes:

Shazam999: Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.

Actually ever since his girlfriend got cancer his comics went way downhill, unfortunately for everybody involved.


Twaddle. The scrolling world one was great.
2012-10-29 06:49:59 PM
1 votes:
Actually the thing I thought was the most interesting was the huge shift of Democrats from left to center left in 2006-2008, prior to the huge shift to the far right of Republicans in 2008.
2012-10-29 06:47:15 PM
1 votes:

RedPhoenix122: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

This thread is now about posting xkcd strips.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]


imgs.xkcd.com
2012-10-29 06:42:19 PM
1 votes:

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".
2012-10-29 06:41:36 PM
1 votes:
I wanna be a sperglord.
And you can be my sperglass.
I wanna be a sperglord.
And you can be my sperglass.
I wanna be a sperglord.
2012-10-29 06:39:22 PM
1 votes:

rockforever: I would rather have gotten a graph or chart showing the ethnicity, the religion, or previous employment of Congressmen and Senators over this.


That would be awesome. Are you planning on making one?
2012-10-29 05:54:32 PM
1 votes:
Congressional make-up?

www.westernjournalism.com
2012-10-29 05:42:50 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.


Looks like Dr Seuss hair drawings.
 
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