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2012-10-29 07:02:00 PM

Hunter_Worthington: Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-29 07:02:49 PM
*heart*
 
2012-10-29 07:06:18 PM
Ok as noted above, the right-left variable is really a misnomer - the guys who created it didn't mean it to be used as such and a box on the right explains it's really just a number for "party loyalty."
 
2012-10-29 07:07:47 PM

eiger: Geez, I didn't know FDR was a slimy politician. In my mind, that completely de-legitimizes the entire New Deal. Next thing you know you'll tell me that sometimes LBJ wasn't completely honest!


No, the rewriting of the commerce clause by the court does that.
 
2012-10-29 07:07:59 PM

wickedragon: Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".
I think the US could really, really benefit from som modern "leaft leaning politics".
better job security, modern taxation systems, free health care for everyone, free education system. Lifting up the weakest parts of society is cheaper than lifting up the already rich parts of society, and it also lowers crime, creates a feeling safety both for personal economy and physical well being and thusly increases productivity. Which also makes a large portion of society happier.

So, yay scandinavian socialism!


Blech, I hate US politics because you're a bunch of crazies, but the main impediment with your plan is that the US has massive income disparity which makes it very hard to implement such plans because the major taxpayers are not the ones that benefit. A broad middle-class with very few top earners and very few low earners is what is required. Also I'm not sure there's any US citizen that would ever be okay with things like a 25% national sales tax (VAT).
 
2012-10-29 07:08:23 PM

wickedragon: Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".
I think the US could really, really benefit from som modern "leaft leaning politics".
better job security, modern taxation systems, free health care for everyone, free education system. Lifting up the weakest parts of society is cheaper than lifting up the already rich parts of society, and it also lowers crime, creates a feeling safety both for personal economy and physical well being and thusly increases productivity. Which also makes a large portion of society happier.

So, yay scandinavian socialism


You do understand that "Scandinavian" Socialism only works because of an extremely low population/oil wealth or because Sweden is basically part of the German supply chain, right? And that for tiny, open economies, domestic policies matter less then the international environment? Because they do.

eiger: Let me help you out. "Left leaning" != Stalinism. That should help you keep up with the conversation.

I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.
 
2012-10-29 07:13:12 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-29 07:13:40 PM

rockforever: This is probably the worst thing I have ever seen on XKCD. Left, Right, Conservative, Liberal, the bare minimum of what it takes to organize politics boiled down to lines that have very little real meaning. It looks fancy but it doesn't explain much.

I would rather have gotten a graph or chart showing the ethnicity, the religion, or previous employment of Congressmen and Senators over this.


Still not as bad as the one that bashed Idiocracy with nothing but ad hominem and hand-waving.
 
2012-10-29 07:14:04 PM
thanks/apologies to Saborlas
 
2012-10-29 07:14:23 PM
No, Democrats did not take control of the Senate in 2006. The election was in November of 2006, which means they took control in January of 2007.

This is important because the recession started in October of 2007.

Many, many right wing sites I've seen claim Democrats took the Senate in "2006" and the recession started in "2008", in an attempt to put some daylight between Republicans controlling the White House, the House of Rep.s, and the Senate, and the start of the recession.

And that annoys the hell out of me.
 
2012-10-29 07:16:18 PM
Did anyone find the schooner yet?
 
2012-10-29 07:17:36 PM

MisterRonbo: Many, many right wing sites I've seen claim Democrats took the Senate in "2006" and the recession started in "2008", in an attempt to put some daylight between Republicans controlling the White House, the House of Rep.s, and the Senate, and the start of the recession.


Citation needed.
 
2012-10-29 07:18:46 PM

Tommy Moo: Still not as bad as the one that bashed Idiocracy with nothing but ad hominem and hand-waving.


Idiocracy, itself, is nothing but ad hominem and hand-waving.

/I enjoyed the movie
//I despise the people who take its premise overly seriously
 
2012-10-29 07:23:45 PM
I'm amused by how many people immediately rejected the infographic because "left and right is overly simplified" without any of them discovering what the "left-right" variable actually represents.
 
2012-10-29 07:27:21 PM

Shazam999: wickedragon: Shazam999: Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.

Actually ever since his girlfriend got cancer his comics went way downhill, unfortunately for everybody involved.

I disagree. Just looking over the last ten posts I like all of them except Law of Drama, and actually think some of them are really good, such as Microsoft, Electoral Precedent, The Universal Label and Objects In Mirror. I thik both The Universal Label and Objects in Mirror are among the best ever. I actually guffawed from Objects in Mirror, which isn't something that happens often. Had to wash my beard and everything x)

They got really, really bad after her diagnosis. I haven't checked back in months because they weren't not just funny, they were pointless. But saying that the last ten are okay doesn't really mean much when the past, oh, two years have been godawful.


I'm exactly in your boat, I used to love XKCD then the cancer thing started and all we got were comics with melodrama and depression.

Not that he isn't allowed to feel depressed. I felt really bad for him, but that didn't mean I was going to waste my time reading a comic strip that wasn't good. Now a lot of them feel really annoying. That scroll world one was enjoyable though.

I just can't read it because it makes me feel like a smug dick when I do.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go kill myself for being a hipster and being "OVER" something like a webcomic.
 
2012-10-29 07:27:21 PM

kiwichan: I'm amused by how many people immediately rejected the infographic because "left and right is overly simplified" without any of them discovering what the "left-right" variable actually represents.


If the infographic isn't easily understood and needs tons of explanation it is a fail.

As others noted, at it's reduced size it is way too small, and at full size, way too large. The graphic itself is hard to understand.

It's a fail.

XKCD has done some marvelous stuff, this is not it.
 
2012-10-29 07:29:27 PM
Not a bad graph.
 
2012-10-29 07:30:23 PM

Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries


I don't know, it looks more like a pair of cancerous tumors to me.

Oh wait...
 
2012-10-29 07:33:33 PM

RoyBatty: kiwichan: I'm amused by how many people immediately rejected the infographic because "left and right is overly simplified" without any of them discovering what the "left-right" variable actually represents.

If the infographic isn't easily understood and needs tons of explanation it is a fail.

As others noted, at it's reduced size it is way too small, and at full size, way too large. The graphic itself is hard to understand.

It's a fail.

XKCD has done some marvelous stuff, this is not it.


read the legend. it is easily understood if you choose to. or attack others for your having not done so.
 
2012-10-29 07:33:35 PM

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


Came to say this, except I was gonna point out that the chart has significant amounts of not just left leaning, but FAR left leaning. WTF? When's the last time we had more far left Senators than I can count on one hand, after picking up a grenade with the pin already pulled, or many more Congresspersons?
 
2012-10-29 07:35:03 PM

Esc7: Shazam999: wickedragon: Shazam999: Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.

Actually ever since his girlfriend got cancer his comics went way downhill, unfortunately for everybody involved.

I disagree. Just looking over the last ten posts I like all of them except Law of Drama, and actually think some of them are really good, such as Microsoft, Electoral Precedent, The Universal Label and Objects In Mirror. I thik both The Universal Label and Objects in Mirror are among the best ever. I actually guffawed from Objects in Mirror, which isn't something that happens often. Had to wash my beard and everything x)

They got really, really bad after her diagnosis. I haven't checked back in months because they weren't not just funny, they were pointless. But saying that the last ten are okay doesn't really mean much when the past, oh, two years have been godawful.

I'm exactly in your boat, I used to love XKCD then the cancer thing started and all we got were comics with melodrama and depression.

Not that he isn't allowed to feel depressed. I felt really bad for him, but that didn't mean I was going to waste my time reading a comic strip that wasn't good. Now a lot of them feel really annoying. That scroll world one was enjoyable though.

I just can't read it because it makes me feel like a smug dick when I do.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go kill myself for being a hipster and being "OVER" something like a webcomic.


Yeah I know it's horrible but it seems that he makes a ton off the comic so I'm not really sympathetic to him.
 
2012-10-29 07:43:41 PM

The Flexecutioner: read the legend. it is easily understood if you choose to. or attack others for your having not done so.


Yeah, sorry, no.

I don't have to read the legend. The graph is shiat. When it is small it is too small. When it is large it is too large.

The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.

or attack others for your having not done so.

Where have I attacked anyone?

Sorry if you feel my criticism of the chart hurts your ability to get to the gym in 26 minutes. For you, I have xkcd.com/386
 
2012-10-29 07:46:24 PM

Shazam999: Yeah I know it's horrible but it seems that he makes a ton off the comic so I'm not really sympathetic to him.


Ehhhh...for what values of "ton" are you referring too? He probably makes way more than your average webcartoonist but that's not saying much. Honestly I don't know how any anyone of these guys makes a living anyway. All my favorite webcomics claim to be self sufficient and it consistently boggles my mind. Especially in America where that profession would preclude healthcare and an ever shrinking societal safety net. You'd have to be mad.
 
2012-10-29 07:48:02 PM

fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.


Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...
 
2012-10-29 07:48:12 PM

RoyBatty: I don't have to read the legend.


You do America proud.
 
2012-10-29 07:49:09 PM

RoyBatty: The Flexecutioner: read the legend. it is easily understood if you choose to. or attack others for your having not done so.

Yeah, sorry, no.

I don't have to read the legend. The graph is shiat. When it is small it is too small. When it is large it is too large.

The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.

or attack others for your having not done so.

Where have I attacked anyone?

Sorry if you feel my criticism of the chart hurts your ability to get to the gym in 26 minutes. For you, I have xkcd.com/386


oh sorry. let me clarify. not ever graphic has to be catered to the lowest common denominator. when i was in grade school i was taught when reading maps to first look at the legend so that i knew what stuff meant. i guess it was generational to be taught better.
 
2012-10-29 07:50:59 PM

Esc7: Shazam999: Yeah I know it's horrible but it seems that he makes a ton off the comic so I'm not really sympathetic to him.

Ehhhh...for what values of "ton" are you referring too? He probably makes way more than your average webcartoonist but that's not saying much. Honestly I don't know how any anyone of these guys makes a living anyway. All my favorite webcomics claim to be self sufficient and it consistently boggles my mind. Especially in America where that profession would preclude healthcare and an ever shrinking societal safety net. You'd have to be mad.


Why would it preclude healthcare? Individual health insurance isn't all that terribly expensive if you pick a sane deductible. I'm far from wealthy (family of three & under $40K/year) and I can afford it.
 
2012-10-29 07:56:58 PM
Gah, that's WEBcomic, not 'we comic.'

Hurricane booze be kicking in...
 
2012-10-29 07:57:51 PM

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


Exactly.

/though the tea party wouldn't be part of the visible spectrum
//... that was my 'infrared' joke :-|
 
2012-10-29 07:57:55 PM
I like this guy's stuff. Loads of data go into the work, which sometimes doesn't lend it self to graphic presentation.

/even the weak ones are better, smarter, and more researched than most other webcomics
 
2012-10-29 08:00:26 PM

un4gvn666: RoyBatty: I don't have to read the legend.

You do America proud.


The Flexecutioner: RoyBatty: The Flexecutioner: read the legend. it is easily understood if you choose to. or attack others for your having not done so.

Yeah, sorry, no.

I don't have to read the legend. The graph is shiat. When it is small it is too small. When it is large it is too large.

The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.

or attack others for your having not done so.

Where have I attacked anyone?

Sorry if you feel my criticism of the chart hurts your ability to get to the gym in 26 minutes. For you, I have xkcd.com/386

oh sorry. let me clarify. not ever graphic has to be catered to the lowest common denominator. when i was in grade school i was taught when reading maps to first look at the legend so that i knew what stuff meant. i guess it was generational to be taught better.


I'm sorry, it's a farking cartoon, it's not an election pamphlet, it's not a treatise. It gets about 10 seconds of time to get my attention and convince me it's worthy of spending more time with.

When I can't read it when it's too small, and I can't read it blown up, it's down to about 2 seconds.

When the graphic can't be understood unless the legend is read first it's down to 0 seconds and represents a big fail on part of the cartoonists part.

And yeah, when I was in grade school I was taught to read the legend too, and then I was introduced to years and years and years of shiatty graphics by people unqualified to design a graphic.

And since then we've all grown accustomed to a graphic language, an infographic language that good graphics use. Violate that language at your peril, the peril here being that you wasted your time in preparing the infographic because, ...

it's just a farking cartoon, man.
 
2012-10-29 08:04:04 PM
RoyBatty: Where have I attacked anyone?

Flexecutioner:
Sorry if you feel my criticism of the chart hurts your ability to get to the gym in 26 minutes. For you, I have xkcd.com/386

oh sorry. let me clarify. not ever graphic has to be catered to the lowest common denominator. when i was in grade school i was taught when reading maps to first look at the legend so that i knew what stuff meant. i guess it was generational to be taught better.


By the way, very nice shifting of the goals.

First I discuss the graphic, and you dislike what I say, so you phrase it as I am attacking someone.

Then when I point out I was attacking no one just criticizing the graphic, you change gears and tell me I have some obligation to view the graphic as if it were a textbook and if not, I must be part of the huge idiocracy.

I have a suggestion. Why don't you defend the graphic without all the personal insults? Because when I was in grade school, I was taught if I had anything legitimate to say, I could say it without the personal insults that basically indicate you got nothing.
 
2012-10-29 08:05:32 PM
At first I'm like
groups.ultimate-guitar.com

Then I'm like 

www.nobodygoeshere.com
 
2012-10-29 08:06:23 PM
imgs.xkcd.com
Killing two birds with one stone comic.
 
2012-10-29 08:09:38 PM

Hunter_Worthington: I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.


The post you made that irritated everyone implied that all left-leaning parties were disastrous, not just a couple of obscure, far-left foreign parties from several decades ago. If that's the standard you're using, we should avoid electing any right-leaning party due to the actions of the right-leaning Independent Democratic Union party in Chile in the 1970's or the Nationalists in Spain in the 1940's.

/there was another right-leaning European party in the 1940's that wasn't particularly spiffy, but people tend to dislike comparisons to it
 
2012-10-29 08:10:39 PM
RoyBatty:in your mind it is just a cartoon. and that's a shame. so is your definition of a good graphic and role of legends. you indeed do america proud.
 
2012-10-29 08:20:33 PM
I love Xkcd. It would appear that this particular bit of experimental art has failed, however. The image itself is too large at actual size and the smaller versions are indecipherable. The chart is incomprehensible and over-complicated. It's just a bad infographic.

For a stark contrast to Xkcd I've always liked Cyanide and Happiness but your mileage will most certainly vary. A lot.
 
2012-10-29 08:21:28 PM

Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.


Bwaaaahahaha!
 
2012-10-29 08:22:19 PM

The Flexecutioner: RoyBatty:in your mind it is just a cartoon. and that's a shame. so is your definition of a good graphic and role of legends. you indeed do america proud.


Heh. In your mind xkcd is something other than a cartoon.

Got it.
 
2012-10-29 08:23:11 PM

Gunther: Hunter_Worthington: I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.

The post you made that irritated everyone implied that all left-leaning parties were disastrous, not just a couple of obscure, far-left foreign parties from several decades ago. If that's the standard you're using, we should avoid electing any right-leaning party due to the actions of the right-leaning Independent Democratic Union party in Chile in the 1970's or the Nationalists in Spain in the 1940's.

/there was another right-leaning European party in the 1940's that wasn't particularly spiffy, but people tend to dislike comparisons to it


Ahem....

Login: Hunter_Worthington
Account created: 2012-10-28 17:28:40
 
2012-10-29 08:23:59 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: MisterRonbo: Many, many right wing sites I've seen claim Democrats took the Senate in "2006" and the recession started in "2008", in an attempt to put some daylight between Republicans controlling the White House, the House of Rep.s, and the Senate, and the start of the recession.

Citation needed.


Rep. Virginia Foxx "The economy began its nose dive when Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007."

A typical conservative blog, there are dozens claiming Democrats caused the recession and Republicans tried to stop it


No collection of blame-the-Dems derp would be complete without an entry from Red State, where Democrats, primarily, caused the recession and prevent a real recovery


Then there are the ones who love to blame Barney Frank for single-handedly causing the recession (cause teh ghey) Rave this if you know the Democrats caused the 2008 recession!


Some admit the recession started in 2007, but its still all the fault of you know who: Ultimately, it appears that Democrats and their progressive policies are mostly to blame for The Great Recession of 2007-08.

And it continues, a letter to the editor published yesterday: Blame Dems back to Clinton for recession

These examples were all drawn from the very first page of google results I got on a search: democrats created recession started 2008
 
2012-10-29 08:25:36 PM

PunGent: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...


Oglaf (very NSFW).
 
2012-10-29 08:32:11 PM

RoyBatty: The Flexecutioner: RoyBatty:in your mind it is just a cartoon. and that's a shame. so is your definition of a good graphic and role of legends. you indeed do america proud.

Heh. In your mind xkcd is something other than a cartoon.

Got it.


check out all of the maps and posters (pops). if those are just cartoons to you and not interesting amalgamations of information then yeah, you probably dont understand them.
 
2012-10-29 08:32:54 PM

RoyBatty: The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.

 
2012-10-29 08:34:54 PM
Wow, there's a left-leaning party? What are they called?
 
2012-10-29 08:36:13 PM
I'm wondering if this graph might have been more successful if he'd just avoided the swoopies as fractions joined or left the House and Senate. He's already using left-right as a political spectrum, so overloading an axis with a second level of meaning just makes things messy, in my opinion.
 
2012-10-29 08:58:16 PM

JesseL: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Left and Right political leanings can't even be meaningfully defined over the course of 230 years.

I'm really not even sure they can be meaningfully defined at any given instant. They're ultimately just shorthand for the issue positions of the two major parties.


people and parties are defined by the problems of their lifetimes, not every problem every day throughout the history of mankind
 
2012-10-29 09:04:34 PM

AdamK: JesseL: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Left and Right political leanings can't even be meaningfully defined over the course of 230 years.

I'm really not even sure they can be meaningfully defined at any given instant. They're ultimately just shorthand for the issue positions of the two major parties.

people and parties are defined by the problems of their lifetimes, not every problem every day throughout the history of mankind


Duh. That's why tracing some sort of ideological continuity through 200+ years is an odd exercise.
 
2012-10-29 09:15:15 PM
Legislative Durations (Rep v Dem):

For the House
farm5.staticflickr.com
(pops to really big size)

For the Senate
farm5.staticflickr.com
(pops to really big size)

back story

/this is why voting against incumbents is a good idea
 
2012-10-29 09:21:04 PM

PunGent: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...


Well, I like xkcd, so I don't really fit. Bearing that in mind:

Girl Genius
Goblins
Problem Sleuth (I enjoy Homestuck as well, but, uh... it's a hard thing to get into at this point, to say the least)
Sinfest
Basic Instructions
Bob the Angry Flower

All great comics. I also like Penny Arcade but, uh, no one needs a LINK to that.
 
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