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2012-10-29 05:28:39 PM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-10-29 05:32:26 PM  
Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.
 
2012-10-29 05:42:50 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.


Looks like Dr Seuss hair drawings.
 
2012-10-29 05:54:32 PM  
Congressional make-up?

www.westernjournalism.com
 
2012-10-29 06:08:34 PM  
Why am I reminded of those red vine things fromWar of the Worlds?

www.pooh.cz
 
2012-10-29 06:32:03 PM  
That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.
 
2012-10-29 06:32:41 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.


Click on it to see a full size version
 
2012-10-29 06:33:20 PM  

the_sidewinder: Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.

Click on it to see a full size version


I just reread what you wrote, I am le stupid
 
2012-10-29 06:33:33 PM  
tl;dr
 
2012-10-29 06:34:03 PM  
I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.
 
2012-10-29 06:34:41 PM  
Doesn't make much sense to me...why does it show the total Right and Left as being larger than 100 some times for the Senate?
 
2012-10-29 06:34:47 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.


It still isn't big enough honestly.
 
2012-10-29 06:35:43 PM  

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


Left and Right political leanings can't even be meaningfully defined over the course of 230 years.

I'm really not even sure they can be meaningfully defined at any given instant. They're ultimately just shorthand for the issue positions of the two major parties.
 
2012-10-29 06:36:12 PM  

fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.


Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.
 
2012-10-29 06:36:23 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.


I just lined up one of the columns and read everything while scrolling all the way down, then went over to the other column and read everything scrolling all the way back. Each one fit quite nicely on my screen, actually.

/thought it was awesome
 
2012-10-29 06:36:27 PM  

GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.

It still isn't big enough honestly.


That's what she said.

Wait...
 
2012-10-29 06:36:51 PM  
This is probably the worst thing I have ever seen on XKCD. Left, Right, Conservative, Liberal, the bare minimum of what it takes to organize politics boiled down to lines that have very little real meaning. It looks fancy but it doesn't explain much.

I would rather have gotten a graph or chart showing the ethnicity, the religion, or previous employment of Congressmen and Senators over this.
 
2012-10-29 06:37:24 PM  

Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.


Actually ever since his girlfriend got cancer his comics went way downhill, unfortunately for everybody involved.
 
2012-10-29 06:38:55 PM  

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


That's the problem I had with it too. There was a time where the Republican party was the liberal one.
 
2012-10-29 06:39:20 PM  
XKCD frequently knocks it outta the park in creating large graphical representations of relations between things.

This isn't one of those things.
 
2012-10-29 06:39:22 PM  

rockforever: I would rather have gotten a graph or chart showing the ethnicity, the religion, or previous employment of Congressmen and Senators over this.


That would be awesome. Are you planning on making one?
 
2012-10-29 06:39:53 PM  

fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.


This thread is now about posting xkcd strips.

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-10-29 06:40:09 PM  
WHAR STIK FIGURRES WHAR?
 
2012-10-29 06:41:36 PM  
I wanna be a sperglord.
And you can be my sperglass.
I wanna be a sperglord.
And you can be my sperglass.
I wanna be a sperglord.
 
2012-10-29 06:41:45 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Congressional make-up?

[www.westernjournalism.com image 500x333]


LOL!

just so happens that i have you farkied and colored Boehner Orange. who knew?

/so you show up orange & the Boehner in the pic is orange....never mind.
//it was funny.
 
2012-10-29 06:42:19 PM  

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".
 
2012-10-29 06:42:41 PM  
Wait. Is it not cool to like XKCD anymore?
 
2012-10-29 06:45:25 PM  

Sail The Wide Accountancy: Wait. Is it not cool to like XKCD anymore?


No everyone is on The Oatmeal's jock now.
 
2012-10-29 06:45:45 PM  
I really wanted to like this, but just couldn't. Trying to force everything into a left/right dichotomy just doesn't work for many historical parties. Were the Republicans a right or left party when their main plank was opposition to slavery? What about the Whigs? Their main policy was federal support for the economy. Is that left or right? What about their opponents the Democrats. They were definitely populists and wanted to keep the government out of people's personal lives. Is that right or left? It seems like it would depend on what was going on at the time. Right/left just confuses the issue.

Beyond that, the graph, as drawn is virtually indecipherable. I couldn't make heads or tails of what it was supposed to mean.
 
2012-10-29 06:45:49 PM  

Shazam999: Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.

Actually ever since his girlfriend got cancer his comics went way downhill, unfortunately for everybody involved.


I disagree. Just looking over the last ten posts I like all of them except Law of Drama, and actually think some of them are really good, such as Microsoft, Electoral Precedent, The Universal Label and Objects In Mirror. I thik both The Universal Label and Objects in Mirror are among the best ever. I actually guffawed from Objects in Mirror, which isn't something that happens often. Had to wash my beard and everything x)
 
2012-10-29 06:46:40 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".


Yeah, that FDR guy sure was an asshole...
 
2012-10-29 06:47:15 PM  

RedPhoenix122: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

This thread is now about posting xkcd strips.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-10-29 06:47:57 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".


Let me help you out. "Left leaning" != Stalinism. That should help you keep up with the conversation.
 
2012-10-29 06:48:53 PM  

un4gvn666: Yeah, that FDR guy sure was an asshole...


Yeah, actually he was. I like the court stacking proposals as they show just how slimy he really was.
 
2012-10-29 06:49:38 PM  

pedrop357: un4gvn666: Yeah, that FDR guy sure was an asshole...

Yeah, actually he was. I like the court stacking proposals as they show just how slimy he really was.


*yawn*
 
2012-10-29 06:49:59 PM  
Actually the thing I thought was the most interesting was the huge shift of Democrats from left to center left in 2006-2008, prior to the huge shift to the far right of Republicans in 2008.
 
2012-10-29 06:50:14 PM  

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


Its weighted based on how solidly people vote with their party not any particular ideology. Certainly a useful measure, but potentially confusing if the words 'left' and 'right' are still used, yeah.

Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".


lol. Stay mad cappy.
 
2012-10-29 06:50:51 PM  

RedPhoenix122: GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries. The large image is too big. Meh.

It still isn't big enough honestly.

That's what she said.

Wait...


Haha nobody's here to say that to me!

Wait...
 
2012-10-29 06:51:16 PM  
Note the loss of the centrist right. I'm a centrist. On some issues I lean left, on some I lean right. That's pretty much the definition of a centrist. The loss of the centrist-right means the Republicans have lost an important limiting factor. This results in them going even more to the right extreme. The further right they go, the more people will abandon them and join the Democrats or a third party. The republicans are too stupid to realize that by pandering to their extremist, they are losing everything.
 
2012-10-29 06:51:30 PM  

wickedragon: Shazam999: Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.

Actually ever since his girlfriend got cancer his comics went way downhill, unfortunately for everybody involved.

I disagree. Just looking over the last ten posts I like all of them except Law of Drama, and actually think some of them are really good, such as Microsoft, Electoral Precedent, The Universal Label and Objects In Mirror. I thik both The Universal Label and Objects in Mirror are among the best ever. I actually guffawed from Objects in Mirror, which isn't something that happens often. Had to wash my beard and everything x)


They got really, really bad after her diagnosis. I haven't checked back in months because they weren't not just funny, they were pointless. But saying that the last ten are okay doesn't really mean much when the past, oh, two years have been godawful.
 
2012-10-29 06:51:53 PM  
As a high school history/civics teacher all I have to say is "Holy infographics, Batman!" My kids will love this, I need to get a poster made for the classroom.
 
2012-10-29 06:52:48 PM  

Shazam999: Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.

Actually ever since his girlfriend got cancer his comics went way downhill, unfortunately for everybody involved.


Twaddle. The scrolling world one was great.
 
2012-10-29 06:53:18 PM  
 
2012-10-29 06:53:36 PM  
DW-Nominate says itself that scores from different eras aren't really comparable to each other due to movements of the nation as a whole. Which does reduce the usability a bit, but I did kinda always wonder what all those numbers would look like in one big set.

The era thing is accounted for with noting the different eras, but the thing I don't like is how he veered the lines away from center to note people leaving Congress. It makes it look like people got more extreme right as they were leaving.
 
2012-10-29 06:53:51 PM  

JabberSMN: As a high school history/civics teacher all I have to say is "Holy infographics, Batman!" My kids will love this, I need to get a poster made for the classroom.


Wow, you sound like an awesome teacher. No sarcasm.

/I genuinely enjoyed the graphic, as well
 
2012-10-29 06:54:00 PM  

pedrop357: un4gvn666: Yeah, that FDR guy sure was an asshole...

Yeah, actually he was. I like the court stacking proposals as they show just how slimy he really was.


Geez, I didn't know FDR was a slimy politician. In my mind, that completely de-legitimizes the entire New Deal. Next thing you know you'll tell me that sometimes LBJ wasn't completely honest!
 
2012-10-29 06:54:59 PM  
i lol'd at the absence of the the center right portions of recent House members. said a lot. also made much more sense when i read the legend off to the right of it. i see how they calculated it and it sounded pretty ... sound.
 
2012-10-29 06:58:00 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".

I think the US could really, really benefit from som modern "leaft leaning politics".
better job security, modern taxation systems, free health care for everyone, free education system. Lifting up the weakest parts of society is cheaper than lifting up the already rich parts of society, and it also lowers crime, creates a feeling safety both for personal economy and physical well being and thusly increases productivity. Which also makes a large portion of society happier.

So, yay scandinavian socialism!
 
2012-10-29 06:59:07 PM  
Anyone else notice just how massive the far-right portion of the House membership is at this point? Nearly as large a proportion as we've had since the time of the Federalists. That certainly puts things in perspective a bit.
 
2012-10-29 06:59:59 PM  

un4gvn666: JabberSMN: As a high school history/civics teacher all I have to say is "Holy infographics, Batman!" My kids will love this, I need to get a poster made for the classroom.

Wow, you sound like an awesome teacher. No sarcasm.

/I genuinely enjoyed the graphic, as well


He's going to be the most popular teacher in his school.......
 
2012-10-29 07:02:00 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-29 07:02:49 PM  
*heart*
 
2012-10-29 07:06:18 PM  
Ok as noted above, the right-left variable is really a misnomer - the guys who created it didn't mean it to be used as such and a box on the right explains it's really just a number for "party loyalty."
 
2012-10-29 07:07:47 PM  

eiger: Geez, I didn't know FDR was a slimy politician. In my mind, that completely de-legitimizes the entire New Deal. Next thing you know you'll tell me that sometimes LBJ wasn't completely honest!


No, the rewriting of the commerce clause by the court does that.
 
2012-10-29 07:07:59 PM  

wickedragon: Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".
I think the US could really, really benefit from som modern "leaft leaning politics".
better job security, modern taxation systems, free health care for everyone, free education system. Lifting up the weakest parts of society is cheaper than lifting up the already rich parts of society, and it also lowers crime, creates a feeling safety both for personal economy and physical well being and thusly increases productivity. Which also makes a large portion of society happier.

So, yay scandinavian socialism!


Blech, I hate US politics because you're a bunch of crazies, but the main impediment with your plan is that the US has massive income disparity which makes it very hard to implement such plans because the major taxpayers are not the ones that benefit. A broad middle-class with very few top earners and very few low earners is what is required. Also I'm not sure there's any US citizen that would ever be okay with things like a 25% national sales tax (VAT).
 
2012-10-29 07:08:23 PM  

wickedragon: Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".
I think the US could really, really benefit from som modern "leaft leaning politics".
better job security, modern taxation systems, free health care for everyone, free education system. Lifting up the weakest parts of society is cheaper than lifting up the already rich parts of society, and it also lowers crime, creates a feeling safety both for personal economy and physical well being and thusly increases productivity. Which also makes a large portion of society happier.

So, yay scandinavian socialism


You do understand that "Scandinavian" Socialism only works because of an extremely low population/oil wealth or because Sweden is basically part of the German supply chain, right? And that for tiny, open economies, domestic policies matter less then the international environment? Because they do.

eiger: Let me help you out. "Left leaning" != Stalinism. That should help you keep up with the conversation.

I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.
 
2012-10-29 07:13:12 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-29 07:13:40 PM  

rockforever: This is probably the worst thing I have ever seen on XKCD. Left, Right, Conservative, Liberal, the bare minimum of what it takes to organize politics boiled down to lines that have very little real meaning. It looks fancy but it doesn't explain much.

I would rather have gotten a graph or chart showing the ethnicity, the religion, or previous employment of Congressmen and Senators over this.


Still not as bad as the one that bashed Idiocracy with nothing but ad hominem and hand-waving.
 
2012-10-29 07:14:04 PM  
thanks/apologies to Saborlas
 
2012-10-29 07:14:23 PM  
No, Democrats did not take control of the Senate in 2006. The election was in November of 2006, which means they took control in January of 2007.

This is important because the recession started in October of 2007.

Many, many right wing sites I've seen claim Democrats took the Senate in "2006" and the recession started in "2008", in an attempt to put some daylight between Republicans controlling the White House, the House of Rep.s, and the Senate, and the start of the recession.

And that annoys the hell out of me.
 
2012-10-29 07:16:18 PM  
Did anyone find the schooner yet?
 
2012-10-29 07:17:36 PM  

MisterRonbo: Many, many right wing sites I've seen claim Democrats took the Senate in "2006" and the recession started in "2008", in an attempt to put some daylight between Republicans controlling the White House, the House of Rep.s, and the Senate, and the start of the recession.


Citation needed.
 
2012-10-29 07:18:46 PM  

Tommy Moo: Still not as bad as the one that bashed Idiocracy with nothing but ad hominem and hand-waving.


Idiocracy, itself, is nothing but ad hominem and hand-waving.

/I enjoyed the movie
//I despise the people who take its premise overly seriously
 
2012-10-29 07:23:45 PM  
I'm amused by how many people immediately rejected the infographic because "left and right is overly simplified" without any of them discovering what the "left-right" variable actually represents.
 
2012-10-29 07:27:21 PM  

Shazam999: wickedragon: Shazam999: Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.

Actually ever since his girlfriend got cancer his comics went way downhill, unfortunately for everybody involved.

I disagree. Just looking over the last ten posts I like all of them except Law of Drama, and actually think some of them are really good, such as Microsoft, Electoral Precedent, The Universal Label and Objects In Mirror. I thik both The Universal Label and Objects in Mirror are among the best ever. I actually guffawed from Objects in Mirror, which isn't something that happens often. Had to wash my beard and everything x)

They got really, really bad after her diagnosis. I haven't checked back in months because they weren't not just funny, they were pointless. But saying that the last ten are okay doesn't really mean much when the past, oh, two years have been godawful.


I'm exactly in your boat, I used to love XKCD then the cancer thing started and all we got were comics with melodrama and depression.

Not that he isn't allowed to feel depressed. I felt really bad for him, but that didn't mean I was going to waste my time reading a comic strip that wasn't good. Now a lot of them feel really annoying. That scroll world one was enjoyable though.

I just can't read it because it makes me feel like a smug dick when I do.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go kill myself for being a hipster and being "OVER" something like a webcomic.
 
2012-10-29 07:27:21 PM  

kiwichan: I'm amused by how many people immediately rejected the infographic because "left and right is overly simplified" without any of them discovering what the "left-right" variable actually represents.


If the infographic isn't easily understood and needs tons of explanation it is a fail.

As others noted, at it's reduced size it is way too small, and at full size, way too large. The graphic itself is hard to understand.

It's a fail.

XKCD has done some marvelous stuff, this is not it.
 
2012-10-29 07:29:27 PM  
Not a bad graph.
 
2012-10-29 07:30:23 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Looks like 2 drawings of veins and arteries


I don't know, it looks more like a pair of cancerous tumors to me.

Oh wait...
 
2012-10-29 07:33:33 PM  

RoyBatty: kiwichan: I'm amused by how many people immediately rejected the infographic because "left and right is overly simplified" without any of them discovering what the "left-right" variable actually represents.

If the infographic isn't easily understood and needs tons of explanation it is a fail.

As others noted, at it's reduced size it is way too small, and at full size, way too large. The graphic itself is hard to understand.

It's a fail.

XKCD has done some marvelous stuff, this is not it.


read the legend. it is easily understood if you choose to. or attack others for your having not done so.
 
2012-10-29 07:33:35 PM  

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


Came to say this, except I was gonna point out that the chart has significant amounts of not just left leaning, but FAR left leaning. WTF? When's the last time we had more far left Senators than I can count on one hand, after picking up a grenade with the pin already pulled, or many more Congresspersons?
 
2012-10-29 07:35:03 PM  

Esc7: Shazam999: wickedragon: Shazam999: Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.

Actually ever since his girlfriend got cancer his comics went way downhill, unfortunately for everybody involved.

I disagree. Just looking over the last ten posts I like all of them except Law of Drama, and actually think some of them are really good, such as Microsoft, Electoral Precedent, The Universal Label and Objects In Mirror. I thik both The Universal Label and Objects in Mirror are among the best ever. I actually guffawed from Objects in Mirror, which isn't something that happens often. Had to wash my beard and everything x)

They got really, really bad after her diagnosis. I haven't checked back in months because they weren't not just funny, they were pointless. But saying that the last ten are okay doesn't really mean much when the past, oh, two years have been godawful.

I'm exactly in your boat, I used to love XKCD then the cancer thing started and all we got were comics with melodrama and depression.

Not that he isn't allowed to feel depressed. I felt really bad for him, but that didn't mean I was going to waste my time reading a comic strip that wasn't good. Now a lot of them feel really annoying. That scroll world one was enjoyable though.

I just can't read it because it makes me feel like a smug dick when I do.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go kill myself for being a hipster and being "OVER" something like a webcomic.


Yeah I know it's horrible but it seems that he makes a ton off the comic so I'm not really sympathetic to him.
 
2012-10-29 07:43:41 PM  

The Flexecutioner: read the legend. it is easily understood if you choose to. or attack others for your having not done so.


Yeah, sorry, no.

I don't have to read the legend. The graph is shiat. When it is small it is too small. When it is large it is too large.

The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.

or attack others for your having not done so.

Where have I attacked anyone?

Sorry if you feel my criticism of the chart hurts your ability to get to the gym in 26 minutes. For you, I have xkcd.com/386
 
2012-10-29 07:46:24 PM  

Shazam999: Yeah I know it's horrible but it seems that he makes a ton off the comic so I'm not really sympathetic to him.


Ehhhh...for what values of "ton" are you referring too? He probably makes way more than your average webcartoonist but that's not saying much. Honestly I don't know how any anyone of these guys makes a living anyway. All my favorite webcomics claim to be self sufficient and it consistently boggles my mind. Especially in America where that profession would preclude healthcare and an ever shrinking societal safety net. You'd have to be mad.
 
2012-10-29 07:48:02 PM  

fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.


Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...
 
2012-10-29 07:48:12 PM  

RoyBatty: I don't have to read the legend.


You do America proud.
 
2012-10-29 07:49:09 PM  

RoyBatty: The Flexecutioner: read the legend. it is easily understood if you choose to. or attack others for your having not done so.

Yeah, sorry, no.

I don't have to read the legend. The graph is shiat. When it is small it is too small. When it is large it is too large.

The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.

or attack others for your having not done so.

Where have I attacked anyone?

Sorry if you feel my criticism of the chart hurts your ability to get to the gym in 26 minutes. For you, I have xkcd.com/386


oh sorry. let me clarify. not ever graphic has to be catered to the lowest common denominator. when i was in grade school i was taught when reading maps to first look at the legend so that i knew what stuff meant. i guess it was generational to be taught better.
 
2012-10-29 07:50:59 PM  

Esc7: Shazam999: Yeah I know it's horrible but it seems that he makes a ton off the comic so I'm not really sympathetic to him.

Ehhhh...for what values of "ton" are you referring too? He probably makes way more than your average webcartoonist but that's not saying much. Honestly I don't know how any anyone of these guys makes a living anyway. All my favorite webcomics claim to be self sufficient and it consistently boggles my mind. Especially in America where that profession would preclude healthcare and an ever shrinking societal safety net. You'd have to be mad.


Why would it preclude healthcare? Individual health insurance isn't all that terribly expensive if you pick a sane deductible. I'm far from wealthy (family of three & under $40K/year) and I can afford it.
 
2012-10-29 07:56:58 PM  
Gah, that's WEBcomic, not 'we comic.'

Hurricane booze be kicking in...
 
2012-10-29 07:57:51 PM  

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


Exactly.

/though the tea party wouldn't be part of the visible spectrum
//... that was my 'infrared' joke :-|
 
2012-10-29 07:57:55 PM  
I like this guy's stuff. Loads of data go into the work, which sometimes doesn't lend it self to graphic presentation.

/even the weak ones are better, smarter, and more researched than most other webcomics
 
2012-10-29 08:00:26 PM  

un4gvn666: RoyBatty: I don't have to read the legend.

You do America proud.


The Flexecutioner: RoyBatty: The Flexecutioner: read the legend. it is easily understood if you choose to. or attack others for your having not done so.

Yeah, sorry, no.

I don't have to read the legend. The graph is shiat. When it is small it is too small. When it is large it is too large.

The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.

or attack others for your having not done so.

Where have I attacked anyone?

Sorry if you feel my criticism of the chart hurts your ability to get to the gym in 26 minutes. For you, I have xkcd.com/386

oh sorry. let me clarify. not ever graphic has to be catered to the lowest common denominator. when i was in grade school i was taught when reading maps to first look at the legend so that i knew what stuff meant. i guess it was generational to be taught better.


I'm sorry, it's a farking cartoon, it's not an election pamphlet, it's not a treatise. It gets about 10 seconds of time to get my attention and convince me it's worthy of spending more time with.

When I can't read it when it's too small, and I can't read it blown up, it's down to about 2 seconds.

When the graphic can't be understood unless the legend is read first it's down to 0 seconds and represents a big fail on part of the cartoonists part.

And yeah, when I was in grade school I was taught to read the legend too, and then I was introduced to years and years and years of shiatty graphics by people unqualified to design a graphic.

And since then we've all grown accustomed to a graphic language, an infographic language that good graphics use. Violate that language at your peril, the peril here being that you wasted your time in preparing the infographic because, ...

it's just a farking cartoon, man.
 
2012-10-29 08:04:04 PM  
RoyBatty: Where have I attacked anyone?

Flexecutioner:
Sorry if you feel my criticism of the chart hurts your ability to get to the gym in 26 minutes. For you, I have xkcd.com/386

oh sorry. let me clarify. not ever graphic has to be catered to the lowest common denominator. when i was in grade school i was taught when reading maps to first look at the legend so that i knew what stuff meant. i guess it was generational to be taught better.


By the way, very nice shifting of the goals.

First I discuss the graphic, and you dislike what I say, so you phrase it as I am attacking someone.

Then when I point out I was attacking no one just criticizing the graphic, you change gears and tell me I have some obligation to view the graphic as if it were a textbook and if not, I must be part of the huge idiocracy.

I have a suggestion. Why don't you defend the graphic without all the personal insults? Because when I was in grade school, I was taught if I had anything legitimate to say, I could say it without the personal insults that basically indicate you got nothing.
 
2012-10-29 08:05:32 PM  
At first I'm like
groups.ultimate-guitar.com

Then I'm like 

www.nobodygoeshere.com
 
2012-10-29 08:06:23 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com
Killing two birds with one stone comic.
 
2012-10-29 08:09:38 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.


The post you made that irritated everyone implied that all left-leaning parties were disastrous, not just a couple of obscure, far-left foreign parties from several decades ago. If that's the standard you're using, we should avoid electing any right-leaning party due to the actions of the right-leaning Independent Democratic Union party in Chile in the 1970's or the Nationalists in Spain in the 1940's.

/there was another right-leaning European party in the 1940's that wasn't particularly spiffy, but people tend to dislike comparisons to it
 
2012-10-29 08:10:39 PM  
RoyBatty:in your mind it is just a cartoon. and that's a shame. so is your definition of a good graphic and role of legends. you indeed do america proud.
 
2012-10-29 08:20:33 PM  
I love Xkcd. It would appear that this particular bit of experimental art has failed, however. The image itself is too large at actual size and the smaller versions are indecipherable. The chart is incomprehensible and over-complicated. It's just a bad infographic.

For a stark contrast to Xkcd I've always liked Cyanide and Happiness but your mileage will most certainly vary. A lot.
 
2012-10-29 08:21:28 PM  

Heamer: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Somebody please send a police unit to fracas's house, there is an armed gunman pointing a rifle at his head, forcing him to read xkcd strips.


Bwaaaahahaha!
 
2012-10-29 08:22:19 PM  

The Flexecutioner: RoyBatty:in your mind it is just a cartoon. and that's a shame. so is your definition of a good graphic and role of legends. you indeed do america proud.


Heh. In your mind xkcd is something other than a cartoon.

Got it.
 
2012-10-29 08:23:11 PM  

Gunther: Hunter_Worthington: I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.

The post you made that irritated everyone implied that all left-leaning parties were disastrous, not just a couple of obscure, far-left foreign parties from several decades ago. If that's the standard you're using, we should avoid electing any right-leaning party due to the actions of the right-leaning Independent Democratic Union party in Chile in the 1970's or the Nationalists in Spain in the 1940's.

/there was another right-leaning European party in the 1940's that wasn't particularly spiffy, but people tend to dislike comparisons to it


Ahem....

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2012-10-29 08:23:59 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: MisterRonbo: Many, many right wing sites I've seen claim Democrats took the Senate in "2006" and the recession started in "2008", in an attempt to put some daylight between Republicans controlling the White House, the House of Rep.s, and the Senate, and the start of the recession.

Citation needed.


Rep. Virginia Foxx "The economy began its nose dive when Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007."

A typical conservative blog, there are dozens claiming Democrats caused the recession and Republicans tried to stop it


No collection of blame-the-Dems derp would be complete without an entry from Red State, where Democrats, primarily, caused the recession and prevent a real recovery


Then there are the ones who love to blame Barney Frank for single-handedly causing the recession (cause teh ghey) Rave this if you know the Democrats caused the 2008 recession!


Some admit the recession started in 2007, but its still all the fault of you know who: Ultimately, it appears that Democrats and their progressive policies are mostly to blame for The Great Recession of 2007-08.

And it continues, a letter to the editor published yesterday: Blame Dems back to Clinton for recession

These examples were all drawn from the very first page of google results I got on a search: democrats created recession started 2008
 
2012-10-29 08:25:36 PM  

PunGent: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...


Oglaf (very NSFW).
 
2012-10-29 08:32:11 PM  

RoyBatty: The Flexecutioner: RoyBatty:in your mind it is just a cartoon. and that's a shame. so is your definition of a good graphic and role of legends. you indeed do america proud.

Heh. In your mind xkcd is something other than a cartoon.

Got it.


check out all of the maps and posters (pops). if those are just cartoons to you and not interesting amalgamations of information then yeah, you probably dont understand them.
 
2012-10-29 08:32:54 PM  

RoyBatty: The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.

 
2012-10-29 08:34:54 PM  
Wow, there's a left-leaning party? What are they called?
 
2012-10-29 08:36:13 PM  
I'm wondering if this graph might have been more successful if he'd just avoided the swoopies as fractions joined or left the House and Senate. He's already using left-right as a political spectrum, so overloading an axis with a second level of meaning just makes things messy, in my opinion.
 
2012-10-29 08:58:16 PM  

JesseL: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Left and Right political leanings can't even be meaningfully defined over the course of 230 years.

I'm really not even sure they can be meaningfully defined at any given instant. They're ultimately just shorthand for the issue positions of the two major parties.


people and parties are defined by the problems of their lifetimes, not every problem every day throughout the history of mankind
 
2012-10-29 09:04:34 PM  

AdamK: JesseL: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Left and Right political leanings can't even be meaningfully defined over the course of 230 years.

I'm really not even sure they can be meaningfully defined at any given instant. They're ultimately just shorthand for the issue positions of the two major parties.

people and parties are defined by the problems of their lifetimes, not every problem every day throughout the history of mankind


Duh. That's why tracing some sort of ideological continuity through 200+ years is an odd exercise.
 
2012-10-29 09:15:15 PM  
Legislative Durations (Rep v Dem):

For the House
farm5.staticflickr.com
(pops to really big size)

For the Senate
farm5.staticflickr.com
(pops to really big size)

back story

/this is why voting against incumbents is a good idea
 
2012-10-29 09:21:04 PM  

PunGent: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...


Well, I like xkcd, so I don't really fit. Bearing that in mind:

Girl Genius
Goblins
Problem Sleuth (I enjoy Homestuck as well, but, uh... it's a hard thing to get into at this point, to say the least)
Sinfest
Basic Instructions
Bob the Angry Flower

All great comics. I also like Penny Arcade but, uh, no one needs a LINK to that.
 
2012-10-29 09:28:53 PM  
Well, I liked it.

You can't please everyone.
 
2012-10-29 09:33:13 PM  
eiger ... Next thing you know you'll tell me that sometimes LBJ wasn't completely honest!

My favorite LBJ story: Reporter was interviewing LBJ shortly before he passed away - Lady Bird came out and fussed at him to take his heart medication and he went through the motions; as soon as she left he spit it into his hand and chucked it. Reporter asked why he did not seek re-election and he replied that his doctors didn't think he'd survive another term and he'd be damned if he'd put that idiot Humphrey in charge.

/paraphrase, I believe his choice of words was slightly more colorful.
//7-11. LBJ's lasting private works program.

People forget how frightened Americans were regarding the left. Anarchists were making bombs and attacking public figures - see the latest movie on J. Edgar for a quick recap.

Just like they forget the government sent the military to break up coal strikes - result: company protected, workers got shot dead, thousands died of black lung when a simple low cost upgrade to the drilling equipment could have been effected, yet the mining companies chose not to. As much as people hate. HATE unions today, there was a damned good reason for them. (not a union fan btw but working conditions blew not too long ago).

Or when MacArthur led army cavalry units through a gathering of Veterans (wiki Bonus Army), their wives and children - several were killed - who had gathered in DC during the Depression to collect benefits promised to them, but Congress was unwilling to cut the checks.

Or hell, if we're talking FDR, look up Smedley Butler - there was a Man. He 'outed' a plot to overthrow FDR's administration using the military, organized by several of America's top power elite - GW's grandfather Prescott being one of them. The papers had a field day at his expense claiming he'd been duped, even though an investigation was able to corroborate at least some of his story. To generalize, those concerned who were brought in for questioning claimed they were playing a 'what if' game and never seriously considered going through with it. (I bet that defense would work well today...).

The schism between left and right today seems evenly divided. Arguably the Right has shifted further right in recent times, (and arguably the Left has shifted further right as well), but the extreme left and extreme right are virtually non-existent compared to past decades.

/They're still around, but not as obviously 'extreme', and a much much smaller following. As a lad, I remember seeing John Birch Society billboards promoting that the US should leave the UN. If I want to read their material today, I would go to 'The New American'. Most of the Far Left (I mean old school marxist-redistribution-of-wealth types) were gone 30 years ago. The only one I've heard of still operating is called the Kasama Project (pretty much my sum total of knowledge on them, sorry).
 
2012-10-29 09:36:12 PM  

Tired_of_the_BS: The only one I've heard of still operating is called the Kasama Project (pretty much my sum total of knowledge on them, sorry).


I have comrades involved in Kasama. There is a far left in this country, and in some ways we're in better shape now than we were back in those days because the infighting, while still kinda bad, isn't nearly as disastrous as it was back then. Anarchists and communists mostly get along now, at least as far as working together on projects of common interest.
 
2012-10-29 09:43:14 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: PunGent: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...

Oglaf (very NSFW).


Yeah, I think their "excuse to write porn" excuse is accurate. Comedy? Not so much. VGCats has got better humor than that and it doesn't need to have a sex-filled backstory.

schnee: /this is why voting against incumbents is a good idea


Wat? That doesn't even make goddamn sense.
 
2012-10-29 09:48:25 PM  

Kome: rockforever: I would rather have gotten a graph or chart showing the ethnicity, the religion, or previous employment of Congressmen and Senators over this.

That would be awesome. Are you planning on making one?


I am actually planning a map of the US circa 1850 in a either surrealist or old map style. Its still a collaboration between me and my girlfriend. Here's hoping it gets done soon, but she just got a job in another city so I dunno. I'll keep you updated though.
 
2012-10-29 10:06:17 PM  

SineSwiper: schnee: /this is why voting against incumbents is a good idea

Wat? That doesn't even make goddamn sense.


Because we've created professional legislators over time (as seen by the heights of the arcs increasing). I get that this is voting against your State's interests (seniority brings more $$$ to your State). Get the legislators back into society.
 
2012-10-29 10:08:17 PM  

Gunther: Hunter_Worthington: I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.

The post you made that irritated everyone implied that all left-leaning parties were disastrous, not just a couple of obscure, far-left foreign parties from several decades ago. If that's the standard you're using, we should avoid electing any right-leaning party due to the actions of the right-leaning Independent Democratic Union party in Chile in the 1970's or the Nationalists in Spain in the 1940's.

/there was another right-leaning European party in the 1940's that wasn't particularly spiffy, but people tend to dislike comparisons to it


uh... Go look up what party the President of France belongs to, or... oh, I see what you did there. 8/10. I bit. Good job.

DarwiOdrade: Gunther: Hunter_Worthington: I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.

The post you made that irritated everyone implied that all left-leaning parties were disastrous, not just a couple of obscure, far-left foreign parties from several decades ago. If that's the standard you're using, we should avoid electing any right-leaning party due to the actions of the right-leaning Independent Democratic Union party in Chile in the 1970's or the Nationalists in Spain in the 1940's.

/there was another right-leaning European party in the 1940's that wasn't particularly spiffy, but people tend to dislike comparisons to it

Ahem....

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Yep. I created my account yesterday. Your screen name is a woman who dies before the end of Chapter House: Dune, and the Half-Blood Prince was the best Harry Potter book.

Do you have a point, or are we just making statements for the fun of it?
 
2012-10-29 10:14:50 PM  

wickedragon: Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".
I think the US could really, really benefit from som modern "leaft leaning politics".
better job security, modern taxation systems, free health care for everyone, free education system. Lifting up the weakest parts of society is cheaper than lifting up the already rich parts of society, and it also lowers crime, creates a feeling safety both for personal economy and physical well being and thusly increases productivity. Which also makes a large portion of society happier.

So, yay scandinavian socialism!


Pft, good luck with that. I think I'd qualify as a right-leaning centrist in European politics, which puts me on the far left edge of our "left wing" party. No way we'll shift that far over any time soon... not with the way our elections work.  Stupid winner-take-all districting bullshiat.  Terrible way to elect a legislature.
 
2012-10-29 10:15:06 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: PunGent: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...

Oglaf (very NSFW).


I enjoy that one, Ctrl-Alt-Delete and Somethingpositive... I just wished Oglaf updated more than late sundays...
 
2012-10-29 10:15:11 PM  
The Rust Belt was not the Rust Belt in 1958.

It was still the Steel Belt. It became the Rust Belt when steel vanished in the 1970s.
 
2012-10-29 10:38:01 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: Gunther: Hunter_Worthington: I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.

The post you made that irritated everyone implied that all left-leaning parties were disastrous, not just a couple of obscure, far-left foreign parties from several decades ago. If that's the standard you're using, we should avoid electing any right-leaning party due to the actions of the right-leaning Independent Democratic Union party in Chile in the 1970's or the Nationalists in Spain in the 1940's.

/there was another right-leaning European party in the 1940's that wasn't particularly spiffy, but people tend to dislike comparisons to it

uh... Go look up what party the President of France belongs to, or... oh, I see what you did there. 8/10. I bit. Good job.

DarwiOdrade: Gunther: Hunter_Worthington: I was thinking more inline with 1960's British Labour Party, or 1980's French Socialist Party policies, but please, continue attacking your straw men if it helps you get up in time to catch the school bus in the morning.

The post you made that irritated everyone implied that all left-leaning parties were disastrous, not just a couple of obscure, far-left foreign parties from several decades ago. If that's the standard you're using, we should avoid electing any right-leaning party due to the actions of the right-leaning Independent Democratic Union party in Chile in the 1970's or the Nationalists in Spain in the 1940's.

/there was another right-leaning European party in the 1940's that wasn't particularly spiffy, but people tend to dislike comparisons to it

Ahem....

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Yep. I created my account yesterday. Your screen name is a woman who dies before the end of Chapter House: Dune, and the Half-Blood Prince was the best Harry Potter book.

Do you have a point ...


Troll = troll. That was the prior poster's point. You know your way around trolling the FARK politics threads, so you've been around... thus the ALT. Whatsamatter? Don't want to stain your primary account? Or are you too ignored on that one?
 
2012-10-29 10:51:41 PM  

Arcturus72: Ctrl-Alt-Delete


I'm sorry.

My $0.02:

Dinosaur Comics
Freefall
Girl Genius
OOTS
Something*Positive
VG Cats
SMBC
xkcd
 
2012-10-29 10:52:28 PM  

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


The ratings are not based on absolute ideology, but on a strictly comparative statistical basis. This is explained in the chart.
 
2012-10-29 10:55:37 PM  

eiger: I really wanted to like this, but just couldn't. Trying to force everything into a left/right dichotomy just doesn't work for many historical parties. Were the Republicans a right or left party when their main plank was opposition to slavery? What about the Whigs? Their main policy was federal support for the economy. Is that left or right? What about their opponents the Democrats. They were definitely populists and wanted to keep the government out of people's personal lives. Is that right or left? It seems like it would depend on what was going on at the time. Right/left just confuses the issue.

Beyond that, the graph, as drawn is virtually indecipherable. I couldn't make heads or tails of what it was supposed to mean.


The ratings are not based on absolute ideology, but on a strictly comparative statistical basis. This is explained in the chart.
 
2012-10-29 10:56:24 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: ... Troll = troll. That was the prior poster's point. You know your way around trolling the FARK politics threads, so you've been around... thus the ALT. Whatsamatter? Don't want to stain your primary account? Or are you too ignored on that one?


I wasn't trolling, I was stating a different view point, an opinion, if you will.

You sir, are too visible a troll. 0/10. Go patter around the Daily Kos or whatever bridge your kind lodge under.
 
2012-10-29 11:00:18 PM  

wickedragon: Hunter_Worthington: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Do yourself a favor, read a history book, and be grateful we haven't had a "left leaning party in this country in decades".
I think the US could really, really benefit from som modern "leaft leaning politics".
better job security, modern taxation systems, free health care for everyone, free education system. Lifting up the weakest parts of society is cheaper than lifting up the already rich parts of society, and it also lowers crime, creates a feeling safety both for personal economy and physical well being and thusly increases productivity. Which also makes a large portion of society happier.

So, yay scandinavian socialism!


Nobody knows whether Scandinavian Socialism will work on some of the ethnic groups in America's current lower class.

Scandinavian countries have nearly homogenously white populations.
 
2012-10-29 11:52:04 PM  

Breathe Laugh Twitch: Nobody knows whether Scandinavian Socialism will work on some of the ethnic groups in America's current lower class.

Scandinavian countries have nearly homogenously white populations.


Racist claptrap.
 
2012-10-30 12:21:53 AM  
An entirely absurd linear political spectrum.
 
2012-10-30 12:37:45 AM  

Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.


You realize that left and right are relative terms and not absolute ones, in politics as well as actual physical orienteering, right? Because I'd rather believe you're trolling than that you're actually as stupid as this post indicates.
 
2012-10-30 01:29:23 AM  

Emposter: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

Came to say this, except I was gonna point out that the chart has significant amounts of not just left leaning, but FAR left leaning. WTF? When's the last time we had more far left Senators than I can count on one hand, after picking up a grenade with the pin already pulled, or many more Congresspersons?


The ratings.. O Jesus, people, just READ it, wilya? Sheesh!
 
2012-10-30 01:31:03 AM  

The Flexecutioner: RoyBatty: The Flexecutioner: read the legend. it is easily understood if you choose to. or attack others for your having not done so.

Yeah, sorry, no.

I don't have to read the legend. The graph is shiat. When it is small it is too small. When it is large it is too large.

The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.

or attack others for your having not done so.

Where have I attacked anyone?

Sorry if you feel my criticism of the chart hurts your ability to get to the gym in 26 minutes. For you, I have xkcd.com/386

oh sorry. let me clarify. not ever graphic has to be catered to the lowest common denominator. when i was in grade school i was taught when reading maps to first look at the legend so that i knew what stuff meant. i guess it was generational to be taught better.


You've got to cut Roy some slack. He's a little slow, and not quite right.
 
2012-10-30 01:51:11 AM  

un4gvn666: Anyone else notice just how massive the far-right portion of the House membership is at this point? Nearly as large a proportion as we've had since the time of the Federalists. That certainly puts things in perspective a bit.


Because of how the metrics work (explained in the chart), what it more represents is an increasingly consistent pattern of voting on that side of the aisle, compared to earlier, and a narrower range of vote diversion. Viewed from the more subjective historical perspective, this is the predictable consequence of repeated and ongoing faith purges within the GOP, as well as those due to more inflexible factions such as the Tea Party from without. Moderates are being driven out, and that has had the tendency to diminish the centrist wing of the party, while increasing the proportions of comparative right and far-right factions.
 
2012-10-30 01:56:17 AM  

MisterRonbo: Why Would I Read the Article: MisterRonbo: Many, many right wing sites I've seen claim Democrats took the Senate in "2006" and the recession started in "2008", in an attempt to put some daylight between Republicans controlling the White House, the House of Rep.s, and the Senate, and the start of the recession.

Citation needed.

Rep. Virginia Foxx "The economy began its nose dive when Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007."

A typical conservative blog, there are dozens claiming Democrats caused the recession and Republicans tried to stop it


No collection of blame-the-Dems derp would be complete without an entry from Red State, where Democrats, primarily, caused the recession and prevent a real recovery


Then there are the ones who love to blame Barney Frank for single-handedly causing the recession (cause teh ghey) Rave this if you know the Democrats caused the 2008 recession!


Some admit the recession started in 2007, but its still all the fault of you know who: Ultimately, it appears that Democrats and their progressive policies are mostly to blame for The Great Recession of 2007-08.

And it continues, a letter to the editor published yesterday: Blame Dems back to Clinton for recession

These examples were all drawn from the very first page of google results I got on a search: democrats created recession started 2008


REPUTABLE citation needed, you pinhead. I could pull up a thousand hits purporting to prove that Reptile Armstrong never walked on the Moon, because Bilderberger or whatever horseshiat happens to smell not quite bad enough today. You know better. You do, don't you?
 
2012-10-30 01:57:53 AM  

phaseolus: RoyBatty: The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.


"Stuff is HARD!" *sniff!* "It's not FAIR!"
 
2012-10-30 02:02:11 AM  

JesseL: Duh. That's why tracing some sort of ideological continuity through 200+ years is an odd exercise.


It doesn't. This is explained in the chart. That apparenly only about four of us bothered to read.
 
2012-10-30 02:20:45 AM  

schnee: /this is why voting against incumbents is a good idea


I agree. I don't do it as a matter of course, in that anything done out of course can easily become its own twisted ideology (as most are), but I do always ask who seems most appropriate *right now*. I weigh records, but as part of the larger metric, and rarely on only one or two factors.

What really annoys me is that the faith purges in the GOP are leaving fewer and fewer Republicans of good character and level heads who non-Republicans feel they can vote for, and that's bad for everyone. It's probably the biggest reason that loser Democrats can hold on to their seats, or get elected in the first place: If you're a voter, and your other choice is Teabagger McCrazypants, you'll hold your nose and vote for Loser l'Arugula instead. I know I'm planning to next week, and it kills me. Thanks, GOP, for giving us so few good alternatives anymore. The irony being that it's really the GOP's doing that's bolstering the Democrats in our time.
 
2012-10-30 02:22:33 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: PunGent: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...

Well, I like xkcd, so I don't really fit. Bearing that in mind:

Girl Genius
Goblins
Problem Sleuth (I enjoy Homestuck as well, but, uh... it's a hard thing to get into at this point, to say the least)
Sinfest
Basic Instructions
Bob the Angry Flower

All great comics. I also like Penny Arcade but, uh, no one needs a LINK to that.


I love a lot of those, and from your endorsement I intend to check out the rest. When I first found Basic Instructions, I read it for hours and nearly peed myself laughing.
 
2012-10-30 02:29:54 AM  

Jesda: An entirely absurd linear political spectrum.


You know, if you've got something to say, I've found that verbs can help a lot, especially when used in sentences.
 
2012-10-30 02:34:06 AM  
Looks like flood protection has failed all over.
 
2012-10-30 03:49:04 AM  

kiwichan: I'm amused by how many people immediately rejected the infographic because "left and right is overly simplified" without any of them discovering what the "left-right" variable actually represents.


Or complained that they couldn't make sense of all the wavy lines when there's a clearly descriptive legend/explanation in the corner.
 
2012-10-30 07:28:23 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: phaseolus: RoyBatty: The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.

"Stuff is HARD!" *sniff!* "It's not FAIR!"



No. Things that are a big hot mess aren't as effective as things that aren't. Ever hear of Edward Tufte? His book "The Visual Display of Quantitative Information" has a way of rubbing off on you after you've read it.

Go to the library and borrow a copy, it's gorgeous just to flip through.
 
2012-10-30 07:55:50 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Tommy Moo: Still not as bad as the one that bashed Idiocracy with nothing but ad hominem and hand-waving.

Idiocracy, itself, is nothing but ad hominem and hand-waving.

/I enjoyed the movie
//I despise the people who take its premise overly seriously


Mike Judge doesn't have the pretense of a scientist. He had the artistic liberty to make asinine hyperbole. xkcd posts every comic with high-minded hubris. They responded to a bunch of legitimate concerns by claiming that evolution isn't true or that intelligence is not correlated with any heritable trait and then calling everyone a moron without citing a single study. The creator certainly tried, but wen he couldn't find any studies to support his position, not even to cherry pick, he decided "Fark it," and posted it anyway.
 
2012-10-30 08:00:24 AM  

fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.


imgs.xkcd.com

would like a word with you...
 
2012-10-30 08:12:09 AM  

phaseolus: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: phaseolus: RoyBatty: The best infographics should be self explanatory and not require nuanced readings of the legend to figure out what the lines mean.

"Stuff is HARD!" *sniff!* "It's not FAIR!"


No. Things that are a big hot mess aren't as effective as things that aren't. Ever hear of Edward Tufte? His book "The Visual Display of Quantitative Information" has a way of rubbing off on you after you've read it.

Go to the library and borrow a copy, it's gorgeous just to flip through.


Will do. Also, check out Hans Rosling on TED.
 
2012-10-30 08:39:03 AM  

LoneWolf343: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

That's the problem I had with it too. There was a time where the Republican party was the liberal one.


No, I don't think so. Although I also think it's possible to be socially progressive while still being fiscally conservative (Teddy Roosevelt). The thing is, you get much better results if you're also fiscally liberal (FDR).
 
2012-10-30 08:40:33 AM  

schnee: Legislative Durations (Rep v Dem):

For the House
[farm5.staticflickr.com image 640x128]
(pops to really big size)

For the Senate
[farm5.staticflickr.com image 640x128]
(pops to really big size)

back story

/this is why voting against incumbents is a good idea


.....wow, I didn't know there were Republicans in 1800.
 
2012-10-30 08:46:04 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Tired_of_the_BS: The only one I've heard of still operating is called the Kasama Project (pretty much my sum total of knowledge on them, sorry).

I have comrades involved in Kasama. There is a far left in this country, and in some ways we're in better shape now than we were back in those days because the infighting, while still kinda bad, isn't nearly as disastrous as it was back then. Anarchists and communists mostly get along now, at least as far as working together on projects of common interest.


I would guess (not an expert) that this is because they know that neither major party is in any way going to serve their interests, even if they somehow get a majority of national support. And if they do get that support, they probably can't afford losing it on meaningless acts of terrorism.
 
2012-10-30 09:30:57 AM  

IlGreven: LoneWolf343: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

That's the problem I had with it too. There was a time where the Republican party was the liberal one.

No, I don't think so. Although I also think it's possible to be socially progressive while still being fiscally conservative (Teddy Roosevelt). The thing is, you get much better results if you're also fiscally liberal (FDR).


So, you would say that the party that wanted to keep slavery was the liberal one?
 
2012-10-30 09:42:20 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: PunGent: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...

Well, I like xkcd, so I don't really fit. Bearing that in mind:

Girl Genius
Goblins
Problem Sleuth (I enjoy Homestuck as well, but, uh... it's a hard thing to get into at this point, to say the least)
Sinfest
Basic Instructions
Bob the Angry Flower

All great comics. I also like Penny Arcade but, uh, no one needs a LINK to that.


Bob the Angry Flower used to be great, but its quality really dropped off a cliff a couple years ago. I think it was about the same time that the writer got a new job at a game company.
 
2012-10-30 10:00:20 AM  

phaseolus: No. Things that are a big hot mess aren't as effective as things that aren't. Ever hear of Edward Tufte? His book "The Visual Display of Quantitative Information" has a way of rubbing off on you after you've read it.

Go to the library and borrow a copy, it's gorgeous just to flip through.


That sounds like a pretty good book. Jotting it down now.
 
2012-10-30 10:03:41 AM  

LoneWolf343: IlGreven: LoneWolf343: Twigz221: That chart is horribly inaccurate. it has left leaning parties represented in modern times. We haven't had a left leaning party in this country in decades. Just right, and really far right.

That's the problem I had with it too. There was a time where the Republican party was the liberal one.

No, I don't think so. Although I also think it's possible to be socially progressive while still being fiscally conservative (Teddy Roosevelt). The thing is, you get much better results if you're also fiscally liberal (FDR).

So, you would say that the party that wanted to keep slavery was the liberal one?


The ratings are not based on absolute ideology, but on strictly comparative statistical commonality. This is explained in the chart. -or- RTFC, people. It doesn't mean what you assume it does.

/I should just make a macro of this. I sound like a broken record.
 
2012-10-30 10:17:25 AM  

IlGreven: .....wow, I didn't know there were Republicans in 1800.


Pretty sure those Republicans don't have much in common with the 'Party of Lincoln', due to the big gap between them.

farm5.staticflickr.com

(embiggen)

shows the Senate, with "Other" colored in black.
 
2012-10-30 11:02:06 AM  

phaseolus: No. Things that are a big hot mess aren't as effective as things that aren't. Ever hear of Edward Tufte? His book "The Visual Display of Quantitative Information" has a way of rubbing off on you after you've read it.


I don't think that the chart violates Tufte's ideas. In fact he was a fan of packing a ton of complex info into a small package. Some great charts can be accessed quickly but he even gives some quite complex &take a little while to decipher examples in his books, which I agree, are fantastic.
 
2012-10-30 11:03:23 AM  

Dammit-Hi: he was is a fan


Look at me pronouncing the man dead & all.
 
2012-10-30 11:45:23 AM  
Also, I would like to mention:

The Perry Bible Fellowship

Because it is an awesome webcomic. Some of it may be NSFW, but the humor is outlandish and very well done.
 
2012-10-30 12:53:31 PM  

Esc7: Shazam999: Yeah I know it's horrible but it seems that he makes a ton off the comic so I'm not really sympathetic to him.

Ehhhh...for what values of "ton" are you referring too? He probably makes way more than your average webcartoonist but that's not saying much. Honestly I don't know how any anyone of these guys makes a living anyway. All my favorite webcomics claim to be self sufficient and it consistently boggles my mind. Especially in America where that profession would preclude healthcare and an ever shrinking societal safety net. You'd have to be mad.


I figure he pulls in at least $150K. I'm thinking more around $250K to be realistic. Jeff Atwood's stupid programming blog let him quit his job, since it was far outstripping what he was earning.

A popular blog makes a living. My wife reads a ton of homemaker blogs, and the biatches make more than their husbands oftentimes.
 
2012-10-30 01:03:30 PM  

Esc7: Shazam999: Yeah I know it's horrible but it seems that he makes a ton off the comic so I'm not really sympathetic to him.

Ehhhh...for what values of "ton" are you referring too? He probably makes way more than your average webcartoonist but that's not saying much. Honestly I don't know how any anyone of these guys makes a living anyway. All my favorite webcomics claim to be self sufficient and it consistently boggles my mind. Especially in America where that profession would preclude healthcare and an ever shrinking societal safety net. You'd have to be mad.


Oh yeah, I should also mention this one blog that my wife reads about this couple that blogs about their home renovation that pulled in so much money they both quit their jobs and now just write about their home reno. 

Link
 
2012-10-30 05:08:10 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: PunGent: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...

Oglaf (very NSFW).


Heh, I DO like Oglaf.

But it's a complement to, rather than superior to, XKCD, in my book.
 
2012-10-30 05:09:06 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: PunGent: fracas: I farking hate xkcd. Cheap, trite, pseudo-intellectual tripe. A badly-line-drawn bauble for wannabe sperglords.

Same challenge for you as for the other xkcd haters...link us a better we comic.

None of them stepped up last time we had one of these threads, so the bar's pretty low...

Well, I like xkcd, so I don't really fit. Bearing that in mind:

Girl Genius
Goblins
Problem Sleuth (I enjoy Homestuck as well, but, uh... it's a hard thing to get into at this point, to say the least)
Sinfest
Basic Instructions
Bob the Angry Flower

All great comics. I also like Penny Arcade but, uh, no one needs a LINK to that.


Thanks, couple new ones in there for me.
 
2012-10-31 10:03:15 AM  

PunGent: Heh, I DO like Oglaf.


Having just taken a look at Oglaf, I have to say that Sexy Losers was much much funnier.
 
2012-10-31 01:49:30 PM  

schnee: IlGreven: .....wow, I didn't know there were Republicans in 1800.

Pretty sure those Republicans don't have much in common with the 'Party of Lincoln', due to the big gap between them.

[farm5.staticflickr.com image 640x64]

(embiggen)

shows the Senate, with "Other" colored in black.


that is a work of art. i clicked on the 'original size' and it looks awesome. really complex but wonderfully colorful. looks like stuff scientists do in labs.
 
2012-11-01 07:40:44 PM  
This apparently is using a relative scale, since if you used an absolute scale, Bernie Sanders (I, VT) would be standing alone in center-left, with Barack Obama as center-right, and the bulk of congress being in the dark red far-right territory.
 
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