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(Discovery)   Did the Soviets cover up the deaths of cosmonauts prior to launching Sputnik or Yuri Gagarin's mission? Don't know, but "phantom Soviet cosmonaut" is a cool Halloween costume   (news.discovery.com ) divider line
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2012-10-29 02:15:44 PM  
3 votes:

galahad05: Hard to cover up a huge rocket launch. But still, much much easier than in the U.S., what with all the citizens walking around the launch sites in Florida and all those TV cameras and newspapers and everything.


Not really. They covered up the N-1 explosion and their entire manned lunar program.
2012-10-29 02:10:48 PM  
3 votes:
I think this belongs here. Sort of:

24flinching.com
2012-10-29 03:11:34 PM  
2 votes:

galahad05: Hard to cover up a huge rocket launch. But still, much much easier than in the U.S., what with all the citizens walking around the launch sites in Florida and all those TV cameras and newspapers and everything.


The whole US manned space program was done pretty publicly. The Soviet program was very much shrouded in secrecy; it wasn't until the late 90's that Soviet era documents, video footage, etc started becoming available.
2012-10-29 02:26:52 PM  
2 votes:
Robert A. Heinlein wrote a story called "Pravda means 'Truth'" that detailed when he and his wife went to Russia. Heinlein's wife actually studied Russian for two years to the point where she could think in Russian. It helped with the tightly controlled tourist industry at the time. Sometimes, they could get away from their "guide" - when they did, they found that people were much more open.

Heinlein commented how he and Ginny met some Army cadets in a park. They were all very excited because the Soviet Union had launched a man into space! Heinlein felt saddened because the Americans were once again beat. The next day the story changed and it was claimed that there was no cosmonaut on that particular rocket, but a test dummy. Heinlein mentioned that her recalled hearing that there may have been some issues with that mission's retro-rockets and that the cosmonaut died in space.

The Russians have a history of "erasing" cosmonauts from pictures, just like they've done with other people. It surely didn't happen randomly.
2012-10-29 02:18:46 PM  
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Of course they did. Because the Reds are untrustworthy, scheming, liars.

Unlike our brave American heroes who are clad in righteousness and honor.



Actually, yeah. Sorry if it sounds too "America rah rah!" for you, but that's only a slightly-exaggerated account of how the space race went down. You should Google the audio recording of Yuri Gagarin, a genuine hero, as he burned to death on re-entry, cursing the incompetent, corrupt @ssholes who made him go up in a piece of shiat spacecraft.
2012-10-29 02:11:08 PM  
2 votes:
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2012-10-30 03:08:35 AM  
1 vote:

daxxenos: MrEricSir: I have to think that if the Soviets had been more open about these things, most of these theories about their dead cosmonauts would look about as dumb as the moon landing conspiracy theories.

Seems to me NASA has taken more of a duct tape approach to space travel than the Soviets ever did, and has had the accidents to prove it.

Sorry, you don't know shiat about any of this. NASA was spectacularly careful with it's people. The problem is when a system works for a long time without any problems, the managers get lazy. They stop asking the engineers if they can make a modification, Eventually, all those mods stack up to the point where you get a cascade effect, and people die. Reseach Apollo 1On the secrecy part, the Feds didn't have any trouble or any doubt that they should hide Soviet failures, or spend all their time refuting Communist propaganda. Why? Because the last thing the CIA and NSA wanted was for the Russians to know just how good our ELINT and HUMINT were. We listened to ALL of their radio traffic, huge chunks of their telephone traffic, and they were doing the same things to us. Example: The USS Parche hooked a nuclear tape recorder to an underwater telephone cable that ran across the Sea of Okhotsk. It used induction to read every conversation from the cable and record it. Look it up. Operation Ivy Bells.
Someone pointed out that R. A. Heinlein went to Russia, and wrote about it in the article "Pravda Means Truth." One thing both Heinlein and his wife noted, but didn't comment on at the time was the lack of traffic and people in what was supposed to be one of the largest cities in the country.He asked a Navy Rear Admiral friend of his, (Heinlein was an Annapolis man.) when he got back to estimate Moscow's true population. The Russians were stating 2,000,000+. The Admiral looked at road, rail networks, (Logistics.) and added in the weather, and came up with 750,000. (His wife noted at the time about how few couples with children there were.) Heinlein wondered why we weren't challenging them, but then suggested, "To what purpose?" Only Leftists/Socialists believe whatever they are told without question. After all, "Obama is the smartest man in the room..."


Don't you have a late-night AM radio show to be calling?
2012-10-29 09:27:18 PM  
1 vote:

shower_in_my_socks: AverageAmericanGuy: Of course they did. Because the Reds are untrustworthy, scheming, liars.

Unlike our brave American heroes who are clad in righteousness and honor.


Actually, yeah. Sorry if it sounds too "America rah rah!" for you, but that's only a slightly-exaggerated account of how the space race went down. You should Google the audio recording of Yuri Gagarin, a genuine hero, as he burned to death on re-entry, cursing the incompetent, corrupt @ssholes who made him go up in a piece of shiat spacecraft.


The only reason America didn't cover up its failures is because of freedom of the press. And no iron curtain around America.
2012-10-29 08:41:02 PM  
1 vote:

MrEricSir: I have to think that if the Soviets had been more open about these things, most of these theories about their dead cosmonauts would look about as dumb as the moon landing conspiracy theories.

Seems to me NASA has taken more of a duct tape approach to space travel than the Soviets ever did, and has had the accidents to prove it.


Sorry, you don't know shiat about any of this. NASA was spectacularly careful with it's people. The problem is when a system works for a long time without any problems, the managers get lazy. They stop asking the engineers if they can make a modification, Eventually, all those mods stack up to the point where you get a cascade effect, and people die. Reseach Apollo 1

On the secrecy part, the Feds didn't have any trouble or any doubt that they should hide Soviet failures, or spend all their time refuting Communist propaganda. Why? Because the last thing the CIA and NSA wanted was for the Russians to know just how good our ELINT and HUMINT were. We listened to ALL of their radio traffic, huge chunks of their telephone traffic, and they were doing the same things to us.

Example: The USS Parche hooked a nuclear tape recorder to an underwater telephone cable that ran across the Sea of Okhotsk. It used induction to read every conversation from the cable and record it. Look it up. Operation Ivy Bells.

Someone pointed out that R. A. Heinlein went to Russia, and wrote about it in the article "Pravda Means Truth." One thing both Heinlein and his wife noted, but didn't comment on at the time was the lack of traffic and people in what was supposed to be one of the largest cities in the country.

He asked a Navy Rear Admiral friend of his, (Heinlein was an Annapolis man.) when he got back to estimate Moscow's true population. The Russians were stating 2,000,000+. The Admiral looked at road, rail networks, (Logistics.) and added in the weather, and came up with 750,000. (His wife noted at the time about how few couples with children there were.) Heinlein wondered why we weren't challenging them, but then suggested, "To what purpose?"

Only Leftists/Socialists believe whatever they are told without question. After all, "Obama is the smartest man in the room..."

2012-10-29 03:57:50 PM  
1 vote:

shower_in_my_socks: AverageAmericanGuy: Of course they did. Because the Reds are untrustworthy, scheming, liars.

Unlike our brave American heroes who are clad in righteousness and honor.


Actually, yeah. Sorry if it sounds too "America rah rah!" for you, but that's only a slightly-exaggerated account of how the space race went down. You should Google the audio recording of Yuri Gagarin, a genuine hero, as he burned to death on re-entry, cursing the incompetent, corrupt @ssholes who made him go up in a piece of shiat spacecraft.


Gus Grissom would like a word...
2012-10-29 03:56:43 PM  
1 vote:
This is one of those topics that tests the validity of the conspiricist's line. The average person knows that the former Soviet Union lied early and often about many, many different things over its history. Some were mundane, some were important. Are the radio transcripts from Italy enough to "prove" this actually happened? Some would say no, but I'd say that the constellation of known facts surrounding this and other similar incidents mean that it is highly plausible. The current Russian regime is no more transparent than the last one, so there will be no new information for a while.
2012-10-29 02:50:43 PM  
1 vote:
images.trollandtoad.com
2012-10-29 02:45:30 PM  
1 vote:
Before Sputnik? Makes no sense. No reason to send people when sending a satellite is SOOO much easier. You send Sputnik as soon as you are capable, it's a race. Manned flight requires much more of everything and costs a ton more.
2012-10-29 02:41:23 PM  
1 vote:
I have to think that if the Soviets had been more open about these things, most of these theories about their dead cosmonauts would look about as dumb as the moon landing conspiracy theories.

Seems to me NASA has taken more of a duct tape approach to space travel than the Soviets ever did, and has had the accidents to prove it.
2012-10-29 02:38:01 PM  
1 vote:
img222.imageshack.usimageshack.us
2012-10-29 02:30:24 PM  
1 vote:

machoprogrammer: While I wouldn't be shocked if it were true, almost every other secret about the Soviets has been leaked by now, so why wouldn't this be leaked?


Yeah, I'd think that if it actually happened, there would be more hard evidence than we currently have. Somebody who worked the pad or in launch control would have come out and said "Yes, we launched so and so, and he never came back alive, so they hushed it all up." Unless they were super-secretive about putting a man in the capsule there's just too many people who would have known there was one guy shot into space who was thereafter unaccounted for.
2012-10-29 02:30:05 PM  
1 vote:
i47.tinypic.com
2012-10-29 02:27:21 PM  
1 vote:
popcultureninja.com
www.futuredude.com
2012-10-29 02:27:16 PM  
1 vote:
While I wouldn't be shocked if it were true, almost every other secret about the Soviets has been leaked by now, so why wouldn't this be leaked?

Also, a lot of the "lost cosmonauts" rumors were debunked... Not sure if all were, but a good number were
2012-10-29 02:25:09 PM  
1 vote:

Diogenes: After having seen that documentary footage in Apollo 18, there's no doubt in my mind.


Now that was a great premise ruined by a mediocre execution (but who am I to judge, I really liked Capricorn One).
2012-10-29 02:22:49 PM  
1 vote:

shower_in_my_socks: AverageAmericanGuy: Of course they did. Because the Reds are untrustworthy, scheming, liars.

Unlike our brave American heroes who are clad in righteousness and honor.


Actually, yeah. Sorry if it sounds too "America rah rah!" for you, but that's only a slightly-exaggerated account of how the space race went down. You should Google the audio recording of Yuri Gagarin, a genuine hero, as he burned to death on re-entry, cursing the incompetent, corrupt @ssholes who made him go up in a piece of shiat spacecraft.



CORRECTION: It was Komarov who burned alive while cursing the Russian space organization.
2012-10-29 02:21:50 PM  
1 vote:

shower_in_my_socks: . You should Google the audio recording of Yuri Gagarin, a genuine hero, as he burned to death on re-entry, cursing the incompetent, corrupt @ssholes who made him go up in a piece of shiat spacecraft.


Wrong guy. See Rent Party's link.
2012-10-29 02:21:25 PM  
1 vote:

shower_in_my_socks: AverageAmericanGuy: Of course they did. Because the Reds are untrustworthy, scheming, liars.

Unlike our brave American heroes who are clad in righteousness and honor.


Actually, yeah. Sorry if it sounds too "America rah rah!" for you, but that's only a slightly-exaggerated account of how the space race went down. You should Google the audio recording of Yuri Gagarin, a genuine hero, as he burned to death on re-entry, cursing the incompetent, corrupt @ssholes who made him go up in a piece of shiat spacecraft.


Gagarin wasn't the one that burned up. He was the backup pilot for that launch.

Link to the audio is above a couple of posts.
2012-10-29 02:17:11 PM  
1 vote:
animatedviews.com
2012-10-29 02:14:20 PM  
1 vote:
blogs.coventrytelegraph.net
cache.gawkerassets.com
2012-10-29 02:11:25 PM  
1 vote:
Cover it up? The Soviets wouldn't cover that up. They threw people into space all the time. There are recordings of the damn audio of one of them burning up in orbit, and Yuri Gagarin was pretty open about it in the press.

Want to hear a Russian cosmonaut die because no one wanted to tell the boss the space ship was a heap of crap?

NPR has the goods.
2012-10-29 02:10:05 PM  
1 vote:

HST's Dead Carcass: This is an old conspiracy theory, but it does have some merit to it.


Yeah, this. This is an example of the rare conspiracy theory that I would NOT be surprised if it were true.
2012-10-29 02:10:00 PM  
1 vote:
4.bp.blogspot.com
2012-10-29 02:09:42 PM  
1 vote:
Hard to cover up a huge rocket launch. But still, much much easier than in the U.S., what with all the citizens walking around the launch sites in Florida and all those TV cameras and newspapers and everything.
2012-10-29 02:09:36 PM  
1 vote:

AverageAmericanGuy: Of course they did. Because the Reds are untrustworthy, scheming, liars.

Unlike our brave American heroes Space Marines who are clad in righteousness and honor.


FTFY just for fun :p .

/The Emperor protects
2012-10-29 02:09:07 PM  
1 vote:
Holy cow. I just wrote a short story with China doing that... two weeks ago. Sweet!
2012-10-29 02:08:01 PM  
1 vote:
Of course they did. Because the Reds are untrustworthy, scheming, liars.

Unlike our brave American heroes who are clad in righteousness and honor.
2012-10-29 02:07:03 PM  
1 vote:
"Hey! Who turned out the lights?"
2012-10-29 02:06:53 PM  
1 vote:

CraicBaby: Ground control to Major Tomovich...


Take your cyanide pills and put your helmet on
2012-10-29 01:29:54 PM  
1 vote:
After having seen that documentary footage in Apollo 18, there's no doubt in my mind.
2012-10-29 01:08:19 PM  
1 vote:
This is an old conspiracy theory, but it does have some merit to it.
2012-10-29 12:59:08 PM  
1 vote:
Of course they did. Hello!
 
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