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(Mother Jones)   Meet Harold Hamm, the fracking man behind Mitt Romney who advises him on energy   (motherjones.com) divider line 45
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2012-10-29 01:08:51 PM  
NO THANKS
 
2012-10-29 01:10:20 PM  
Is this where liberals complain about fracking but still defend Obama taking credit for increased energy production?
 
2012-10-29 01:10:23 PM  
images.teamsugar.com
 
2012-10-29 01:14:10 PM  

MyRandomName: Is this where liberals complain about fracking but still defend Obama taking credit for increased energy production?


When Obama was arguing with Romney in the second debate about who was the biggest oil man I thought I was in the twilight zone.
 
2012-10-29 01:14:35 PM  
This is what happens when you frak a stranger in the alps.

cdn.gunaxin.com 

Mother Fracker.
 
2012-10-29 01:17:40 PM  
We know what we are doing. Just trust us
 
2012-10-29 01:19:26 PM  
Is Fracking still the bogeyman?
 
2012-10-29 01:21:10 PM  

Jisaw: Is Fracking still the bogeyman?


Only if you live some place where no fracking is going on. If you live where they ARE fracking, you know the dangers are real.
 
2012-10-29 01:33:01 PM  

Jisaw: Is Fracking still the bogeyman?


Brb, gonna go set some of my tap water on fire.
 
2012-10-29 01:33:23 PM  

mediablitz: Jisaw: Is Fracking still the bogeyman?

Only if you live some place where no fracking is going on. If you live where they ARE fracking, you know the dangers are real.


On top of the environmental dangers, here in PA, they've bribed enough politicians that gas extracted by fraking isn't taxed.

So we're getting it coming and going.
 
2012-10-29 01:37:39 PM  
How is this any different than Halliburton-type corps. advising Bush/Cheney or Solyndra-type corps advising Obama/Biden?

Jisaw: Is Fracking still the bogeyman?


The problem is not trying to figure out if there are dangers in fracking. Of course there are. The question is whether or not the benefits of the increased production of natural gas by fracking outweigh the risks.
 
2012-10-29 01:40:47 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: mediablitz: Jisaw: Is Fracking still the bogeyman?

Only if you live some place where no fracking is going on. If you live where they ARE fracking, you know the dangers are real.

On top of the environmental dangers, here in PA, they've bribed enough politicians that gas extracted by fraking isn't taxed.

So we're getting it coming and going.


What is it that you guys do differently than us in Canada? Because we don't fear fracking. We frack hundreds of times per day across Sask, Alberta, and BC. And practically never have issues.

Maybe it's not fracking that's the issue, maybe it's your lack of legislation and enforcement.

/ anybody want a job? $100k per year! We fly workers from the east coast every 3 to 4 weeks, here and back, I'm sure somebody would fly workers from the States.
 
2012-10-29 01:47:26 PM  

ArkAngel: How is this any different than Halliburton-type corps. advising Bush/Cheney or Solyndra-type corps advising Obama/Biden?


Because Solyndra-type corps will just take your money. Haliburton-type corps will take your money and set your tap water on fire.
 
2012-10-29 01:53:28 PM  

ArkAngel: How is this any different than Halliburton-type corps. advising Bush/Cheney or Solyndra-type corps advising Obama/Biden?


One pushes for the establishment and modernization of solar and other renewable energy sources that do no or very little environmental damage, the other pushes for the complete monopoly of non-renewable energy sources which do immeasurable environmental damage.

If he has to have energy companies advising, I'd rather it be Solyndra types than Halliburton types. After all, you can't start a war in Iraq over the sun.

/yet
//not quite yet
///the time is not at hand
 
2012-10-29 02:04:48 PM  

MyRandomName: Is this where liberals complain about fracking but still defend Obama taking credit for increased energy production?


I thought most liberals (not Democrats) agree Obama is not much different from your average pro-corporate, pro-Wall Street Republican. I don't understand why Republicans dislike Obama.
 
2012-10-29 02:05:37 PM  

devilEther: MyRandomName: Is this where liberals complain about fracking but still defend Obama taking credit for increased energy production?

I thought most liberals (not Democrats) agree Obama is not much different from your average pro-corporate, pro-Wall Street Republican. I don't understand why Republicans dislike Obama.


If you look closely, you'll see that upon further inspection, Obama is black.
 
2012-10-29 02:09:33 PM  

Heims: Dwight_Yeast: mediablitz: Jisaw: Is Fracking still the bogeyman?

Only if you live some place where no fracking is going on. If you live where they ARE fracking, you know the dangers are real.

On top of the environmental dangers, here in PA, they've bribed enough politicians that gas extracted by fraking isn't taxed.

So we're getting it coming and going.

What is it that you guys do differently than us in Canada? Because we don't fear fracking. We frack hundreds of times per day across Sask, Alberta, and BC. And practically never have issues.

Maybe it's not fracking that's the issue, maybe it's your lack of legislation and enforcement.

/ anybody want a job? $100k per year! We fly workers from the east coast every 3 to 4 weeks, here and back, I'm sure somebody would fly workers from the States.


I'm working on a project north of Ft. McMurray and I can tell you at least in Alberta the answer to your question is 100% ABSA.

/Taking delivery in winter and hoping I don't have to go.
 
2012-10-29 02:10:31 PM  
On one hand fracking is horrible for the environment, on the other hand I don't care about the places like N/S Dakota where its happening so fark it.
 
2012-10-29 02:11:00 PM  
Well duh, this is not news... is frack.com
 
2012-10-29 02:14:14 PM  

Heims: Maybe it's not fracking that's the issue, maybe it's your lack of legislation and enforcement.


Have you even heard about our government? We don't do no regulatin'.  In fact, we're thinkin' of removin' the EPA altogether!
 
2012-10-29 02:16:04 PM  

xtragrind: MyRandomName: Is this where liberals complain about fracking but still defend Obama taking credit for increased energy production?

When Obama was arguing with Romney in the second debate about who was the biggest oil man I thought I was in the twilight zone.


I attended a rally and Obama's now started really talking up Fracking. In what I was able to stay awake from the last debate, He didn't directly support but he also didn't openly mock Mitt for using the phrase 'Clean Coal'. I'm not a fan of his energy policies lately.
 
2012-10-29 02:16:55 PM  

devilEther:
I thought most liberals (not Democrats) agree Obama is not much different from your average pro-corporate, pro-Wall Street Republican. I don't understand why Republicans dislike Obama.


I heard a story the other day about how his roots are actually much closer to those of the Wall Street bankers than to the "little people" that he supposedly represents. He could have been a 1%er very easily. It was an interesting assessment, since it was given by two reporters who've spent most of their careers reporting on rich white guys and people who are so rich that they never, ever, have to engage with the filthy proles.
 
2012-10-29 02:17:57 PM  

MyRandomName: Is this where liberals complain about fracking but still defend Obama taking credit for increased energy production?


We only tout that because it annoys you. In reality we realize that drilling your way out of oil dependance is like brewing your way out of alcoholism.
 
2012-10-29 02:20:30 PM  
www.blogcdn.com
 
2012-10-29 02:20:44 PM  
I'm your Harold Hamm, that's who I am
I'm here to frack whatever I can
Be it oil sands or coal seam gas
Or bituminous shale I'll frack that ass
 
2012-10-29 02:23:14 PM  
HURR environmentalists can't prove fracking's that bad
DURR
 
2012-10-29 02:43:44 PM  
Fracking is no worse than any other heavy industry. It just depends on the government to enforce a set of rules/taxes/fines to make it a good societal trade-off.
 
2012-10-29 02:46:08 PM  
I'm not a big fan of fracking. Risks may be minimal, but that's what they said about underground coal mines in Appalachia. Some decades later, contaminated water started leeching into people's water wells. Water lines have been run up hollers and into areas that it otherwise wouldn't have been run as a result.

We have to meet our energy needs. It would be better if we did through domestic sources and refined it here. Still...I worry.
 
2012-10-29 02:48:21 PM  

LiquidTester: Fracking is no worse than any other heavy industry. It just depends on the government to enforce a set of rules/taxes/fines to make it a good societal trade-off.


SHUT UP YOU DIRTY LIBERAL!!!
 
2012-10-29 02:48:23 PM  

MyRandomName: Is this where liberals complain about fracking but still defend Obama taking credit for increased energy production?


So you admit there's been an increase in energy production? Because all my hard right wing co-workers who only listen to Rush and Fox insist that Obama has destroyed energy production in the US.

ArkAngel: The problem is not trying to figure out if there are dangers in fracking. Of course there are. The question is whether or not the benefits of the increased production of natural gas by fracking outweigh the risks.


From a cost-effectiveness point of view, fracking is fracking awesome and is not likely to go away. However, I think that the fracking frackers are going to frack themselves over. Too many frackers are going to frack up peoples fracking drinking water supply. Hell, look at fracking in fracking Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is a VERY pro-industry state and even THEY are having a lot of backlash against the fracking industry.
 
2012-10-29 03:01:37 PM  

LiquidTester: Fracking is no worse than any other heavy industry. It just depends on the government to enforce a set of rules/taxes/fines to make it a good societal trade-off.


derp
 
2012-10-29 03:02:41 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: MyRandomName: Is this where liberals complain about fracking but still defend Obama taking credit for increased energy production?

So you admit there's been an increase in energy production? Because all my hard right wing co-workers who only listen to Rush and Fox insist that Obama has destroyed energy production in the US.

ArkAngel: The problem is not trying to figure out if there are dangers in fracking. Of course there are. The question is whether or not the benefits of the increased production of natural gas by fracking outweigh the risks.

From a cost-effectiveness point of view, fracking is fracking awesome and is not likely to go away. However, I think that the fracking frackers are going to frack themselves over. Too many frackers are going to frack up peoples fracking drinking water supply. Hell, look at fracking in fracking Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is a VERY pro-industry state and even THEY are having a lot of backlash against the fracking industry.


Is there actual evidence that fracking is affecting drinking water? The processes are performed far below any water tables.
 
2012-10-29 03:02:58 PM  

LiquidTester: Fracking is no worse than any other heavy industry. It just depends on the government to enforce a set of rules/taxes/fines to make it a good societal trade-off.


This heavy industry just happens to cause earthquakes, pollute vast water tables, cause sickness around the well source, and dissolve methane into drinking water.
 
2012-10-29 03:03:11 PM  

Citrate1007: On one hand fracking is horrible for the environment


I was wondering why Dallas looks like a toilet these days.
 
2012-10-29 03:10:19 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Is there actual evidence that fracking is affecting drinking water?


There are 5,000 fracked wells in the Dallas Ft. Worth area. There's just GOT to be a water well on fire somewhere.
 
2012-10-29 03:18:00 PM  

SVenus: Apocalyptic Inferno: Is there actual evidence that fracking is affecting drinking water?

There are 5,000 fracked wells in the Dallas Ft. Worth area. There's just GOT to be a water well on fire somewhere.


There just has to be? I'm not looking for appeals to incredulity. Is there any current evidence that this is happening?
 
2012-10-29 03:24:01 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: SVenus: Apocalyptic Inferno: Is there actual evidence that fracking is affecting drinking water?

There are 5,000 fracked wells in the Dallas Ft. Worth area. There's just GOT to be a water well on fire somewhere.

There just has to be? I'm not looking for appeals to incredulity. Is there any current evidence that this is happening?


The most famous case in Texas was quickly investigated after the land owner showed off pictures of setting his water on fire. EVERY agency descended down and took all manner of samples, etc. Much work and hearings were held. Pretty much proved that the gas came from a shallow interval, case dismissed. Sad land owner.
Upshot was AFTER the case was settled against the land owner, actual pictures emerged that the land owner had photographed the same water well with flaming gas about two years before the nearby well fracking. The shallow gas sand really did naturally infect the shallower water sands. It seems the land owner "forgot" this fact, implying that he submitted the claim of the fracking well damaging his well in order to get a payday.
 
2012-10-29 03:27:19 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Is there actual evidence that fracking is affecting drinking water? The processes are performed far below any water tables.


Yes. You have to remember, drilling even WITHOUT fracking involves a lot of pressurizing holes and messing with the water table. Drilling and screwing up peoples wells is a problem that goes back 200 years.

The big problem with fracking isn't that fracking chemicals are getting into peoples water supply (little evidence of this and anti-fracking people are fools to focus so heavily on this), it's that fracking involves high pressures then normal oil drilling and is pushing gas / bad water into peoples water supplies (which there IS a lot of evidence of).
 
2012-10-29 03:55:43 PM  

Heims: Dwight_Yeast: mediablitz: Jisaw: Is Fracking still the bogeyman?

Only if you live some place where no fracking is going on. If you live where they ARE fracking, you know the dangers are real.

On top of the environmental dangers, here in PA, they've bribed enough politicians that gas extracted by fraking isn't taxed.

So we're getting it coming and going.

What is it that you guys do differently than us in Canada? Because we don't fear fracking. We frack hundreds of times per day across Sask, Alberta, and BC. And practically never have issues.

Maybe it's not fracking that's the issue, maybe it's your lack of legislation and enforcement.

/ anybody want a job? $100k per year! We fly workers from the east coast every 3 to 4 weeks, here and back, I'm sure somebody would fly workers from the States.


We don't do anything any differently. However, a group opposed to anything but wind and solar have convinced a good chunk of our population that the stuff the drillers are pumping into the ground is somehow more toxic than the stuff that's being extracted.
 
2012-10-29 04:38:58 PM  
images.persephonemagazine.com
 
2012-10-29 05:11:48 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Satanic_Hamster: MyRandomName: Is this where liberals complain about fracking but still defend Obama taking credit for increased energy production?

So you admit there's been an increase in energy production? Because all my hard right wing co-workers who only listen to Rush and Fox insist that Obama has destroyed energy production in the US.

ArkAngel: The problem is not trying to figure out if there are dangers in fracking. Of course there are. The question is whether or not the benefits of the increased production of natural gas by fracking outweigh the risks.

From a cost-effectiveness point of view, fracking is fracking awesome and is not likely to go away. However, I think that the fracking frackers are going to frack themselves over. Too many frackers are going to frack up peoples fracking drinking water supply. Hell, look at fracking in fracking Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is a VERY pro-industry state and even THEY are having a lot of backlash against the fracking industry.

Is there actual evidence that fracking is affecting drinking water? The processes are performed far below any water tables.


The potential problem is when fracking materials are sent down (or pumped up) or the gas is extracted and the encasement fails. A well-researched regulatory regime will remove most of this risk.
 
2012-10-29 05:32:48 PM  
if i understand fracking... they take freshwater and mix it with poison and then inject it into the ground where it's likely to contaminate the freshwater. making freshwater ever more (irreversably) scarce... and since water is infinitely elastic in price... they have the double profit. unless they are also invested in cancer care, in which case it's a triple bonus profit situation. prisons in the porfolio? quadra-profit once the riots start!!
 
2012-10-29 07:05:43 PM  

Cataholic: We don't do anything any differently. However, a group opposed to anything but wind and solar


OMG the HUMANITY

have convinced a good chunk of our population that the stuff the drillers are pumping into the ground is somehow more toxic than the stuff that's being extracted.

You're welcome to post something to convince us otherwise. Because it sounds to me like you're seriously underestimating the effects.
 
2012-10-29 11:47:11 PM  

Cataholic: We don't do anything any differently. However, a group opposed to anything but wind and solar have convinced a good chunk of our population that the stuff the drillers are pumping into the ground is somehow more toxic than the stuff that's being extracted.


That's the spirit! Ignore our lack of regulation, compared to Canada, and say everything is just peachy!

Good Monkey!
 
2012-10-29 11:48:46 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: s there actual evidence that fracking is affecting drinking water? The processes are performed far below any water tables.


Are you talking incontestable proof, or evidence? Kinda like smoking, 50 years ago.

Your choice on waiting for the science...
 
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