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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Robert Kirkman discusses what we can expect from Futurama's biggest fan, Walking Dead's infamous Governor   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 26
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2012-10-29 09:49:41 PM
2 votes:

kumanoki: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Craptastic: buntz: but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

That's exactly the sort of stuff that people would love to do in the event of the zombie apocolypse. A return to some sort of "normalcy" can do wonders for your mental well-being in times of strife.

That's all well and good until the white boy mentions 'rising again'. No, I'm out. See ya and ya strange tea brewer. It's the South. All the women are in dresses, got folks stringing other folks up in trees and zombifying em, screw that.

I have to admit, this is the whitest version of South Georgia I've ever seen.


At the risk of someone misunderstanding and calling me racist, let me see if I can come up with an in-universe reason for that...

Remember Hurricane Katrina when it hit New Orleans? Do you remember the death toll, and all the people looting, raping, and killing each other? Do you remember the utter chaos? And, though it grieves me to point it out, do you recall the proportion of Black folks doing the looting, raping, killing, and dying to the white folks doing the same ("Looting" and "Finding" notwithstanding)?

My guess, based on the events of Hurricane Katrina, is that among the lower class you'll find a lot of white people hoarding guns and bunking down in their house, cabin, or shelter in their ultimate survivalist fantasy, a fair amount of white people running around like idiots getting killed, and a few smarter ones who just get the fark out of town, but you'll find a whole hell of a lot of lower class African Americans taking the fall of civilization as an opportunity to loot, murder, and do things that would get them killed during the first chaotic weeks of the event... Just like with Katrina, or the L.A. riots, or the Detroit riots, or many other events in which society became a chaotic mess.

Of course, the smarter people of color, like Michonne, Morgan, or T-Dogg were just fine. They didn't take the end of the world as a cue to go get themselves a new plasma TV. But a lot-- and that's "a lot", and not "all" for those who think this is racist-- would join the mob and riots when an event of this scale happens.

And OF COURSE there will be a lot of lower-class white people mixed in with the looters, killers, and general anarchists... But in the south, there's no question that they would be outnumbered, just as they were during Katrina and other riots in heavily African American parts of the country.

Of course, my pointing this out is racist because I'm not Black. I'm trying to distance myself from the accusation, but really, I'm a part-white guy saying that a lot of Black people would turn to crime if the end of the world were to arrive. So I don't blame anyone for raising a flag on this one. It's a tough thing for me to say, but I have to admit that-- from a historical standpoint-- there's little evidence to disprove the theory.

And so if we take it that, Yes, many people from the lower-class African American community might be out there in the first few weeks of the apocalypse to riot, loot, and give up on laws entirely as they did during the Katrina event, then it stands to reason that these folks were shot and burned by the military shortly thereafter.

So the reason you're not seeing as many Black people in TWD's version of South Georgia is because many members of the Black community were killed when martial law kicked in, and the soldiers got their orders to shoot rioters on sight.

Or, if all that is too politically and racially-charged for you, then we can just say the show is a white nerd show about zombies, made by mostly white nerds, written by a white nerd, and aired by AMC which seems to have a serious lack of shows about Black people who aren't criminals, and it's just the status quo from a bunch of people who don't realize they're being racially insensitive by not including enough positive images of African American zombies.

Take your pick.

/My apologies to the African American community.
//If it helps my case, I think Michonne is really cute.
///T-Dogg, though, does nothing for me. Sometimes I forget he's on the show.
////Hell, sometimes I think HE forgets he's on the show.
2012-10-29 01:56:13 PM
2 votes:

buntz: I don't read the comics, so I don't want any spoilers from the comics, please


Not to worry about comic spoilers. They veered away from the comics when they kept Shane alive throughout the 1st season and keep on going off in different directions. This isn't necessarily a bad thing (except for the 8 friggin' episodes on the farm last season); the show's as much as a surprise for us comic fans as it is for the ones who haven't read it.

We know what the Governor's supposed to be like, I wasn't surprised by him mowing down the guy's unit, and I could swear the aquarium is right from the comic, but that's about it. There is, however, a subtlety in that final scene that I think is a spoiler, so I won't mention it.
2012-10-29 12:44:43 PM
2 votes:
I know one thing... the taking of the army troops was totally bullshiat. Even the smallest group of soldiers know to secure a perimeter in any situation. Total bullshiat.
2012-10-29 12:40:04 PM
2 votes:

buntz: but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.


That's exactly the sort of stuff that people would love to do in the event of the zombie apocolypse. A return to some sort of "normalcy" can do wonders for your mental well-being in times of strife.
2012-10-29 11:55:35 AM
2 votes:

rudemix: buntz: I don't read the comics, so I don't want any spoilers from the comics, please, but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

I think many people would find a lot of comfort, or ability to hide from the inevitable psychosis, by returning to dull, trudging chores from the past.


Exactly. The Governor is offering them a return to normalcy after months of living hell, and a lot of people are going to welcome a return to something that resembles a normal life and will even be willing to overlook the darkness that drive the Governor and his cruel methods. Compared to the alternatives, he is a godsend, which is why he holds so much power over their hearts and their minds.
2012-10-29 11:51:20 AM
2 votes:

buntz: I don't read the comics, so I don't want any spoilers from the comics, please, but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

I get this Governor is a controlling dude and we don't know what's going on there yet, but the people SEEMED pretty content with the safety in Woodbury.

It hasn't been that long since this all started. it's season 3 but really only it's been, what, a year maybe?

I don't know..... I just doubt I would be mowing lawns and playing in the streets.


Probably like after a year of wandering around fearing for your life every waking second without any survivalist instincts, you come across a walled town with food, water, and protected by dudes with guns and decide that you'd do anything just to stop being afraid.
2012-10-29 11:50:10 AM
2 votes:

buntz: I don't read the comics, so I don't want any spoilers from the comics, please, but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.


I think many people would find a lot of comfort, or ability to hide from the inevitable psychosis, by returning to dull, trudging chores from the past.


Best episode in the longest doesn't feature any of the regulars but Andrea. Makes sense in a an odd way with no Lori or Carl to be irritated with.
2012-10-30 10:45:34 AM
1 votes:

The Banana Thug: Kali-Yuga: BullBearMS:
My money is on Tyreese finally making an appearance on the show.

Pretty sure I've heard that T-Dog will basically replace Tyreese in the show.

There was a black dude that looked an awfully lot like Tyreese in the Governor's patrol group. I can see him escaping to the prison and then essentially replacing T-Dog.


It's so wrong that that world seemingly has a "one Black guy per group" limit.
2012-10-30 12:23:57 AM
1 votes:

kumanoki: I am curious to know... you know, we've seen a glipse of how deadly the Governor can be as a leader...but what about the town itself. Andrea and Michonne's tour guide kinda gave me the creeps with her half-answers. I wonder how Woodbury has skewed its society to fit into the mold the Governor has made?

Also, projecting ahead- Andrea and Michonne have no idea where the prison is. How will these two groups interact?


This is a world where after a YEAR the walking dead haven't been picked clean by insects, crows and other carrion birds, dessication, fungi, and so forth... and you're wondering about societal things? They can't even deal with decay in a half reasonable manner and you're worried about societal norms?

It's because the comic writers are, like most arts and crafts graduates... utterly farking clueless about the nuts and bolts of reality. So they make shiat up and say "the characters will act this way because I don't care about realism... I want to tell a _story_... it's an allegory for some bullshiat nonsense I dreamt up"

Seriously, in a few months the crow and insect population would have exploded populationwise. There would be monster SWARMS of flies and other insects that would land on these walking corpses in droves, lay their larva into their eyes and soft tissues, or strip them down to their bones through mass attacks... and in days leave them either a pile of bones, or blind and deaf due to the sense organs being consumed by larva (no sense of hearing if all the nerves, ear drums and whatnot are eaten by maggots or stuffed full of them as they feast on the soft tissues.

But no... we don't see anything like that going on... because the writers are hacks and can't handle the idea that maybe you could wait the zombie apocalypse out and start reclaiming some of civilization once rot and putrification take their toll on the zombies.

Seriously... I liked the show at first... but god damn it... some of the suspension of belief leaps you have to make are just too much.
2012-10-29 10:13:57 PM
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: kumanoki: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Craptastic: buntz: but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

That's exactly the sort of stuff that people would love to do in the event of the zombie apocolypse. A return to some sort of "normalcy" can do wonders for your mental well-being in times of strife.

That's all well and good until the white boy mentions 'rising again'. No, I'm out. See ya and ya strange tea brewer. It's the South. All the women are in dresses, got folks stringing other folks up in trees and zombifying em, screw that.

I have to admit, this is the whitest version of South Georgia I've ever seen.

At the risk of someone misunderstanding and calling me racist, let me see if I can come up with an in-universe reason for that...

Remember Hurricane Katrina when it hit New Orleans? Do you remember the death toll, and all the people looting, raping, and killing each other? Do you remember the utter chaos? And, though it grieves me to point it out, do you recall the proportion of Black folks doing the looting, raping, killing, and dying to the white folks doing the same ("Looting" and "Finding" notwithstanding)?

My guess, based on the events of Hurricane Katrina, is that among the lower class you'll find a lot of white people hoarding guns and bunking down in their house, cabin, or shelter in their ultimate survivalist fantasy, a fair amount of white people running around like idiots getting killed, and a few smarter ones who just get the fark out of town, but you'll find a whole hell of a lot of lower class African Americans taking the fall of civilization as an opportunity to loot, murder, and do things that would get them killed during the first chaotic weeks of the event... Just like with Katrina, or the L.A. riots, or the Detroit riots, or many other events in which society became a chaotic mess.

Of course, the smarter people of color, like Michonne, Morgan, or T-Dogg were just fine. They didn't take the end of the world as a cue to go get themselves a new plasma TV. But a lot-- and that's "a lot", and not "all" for those who think this is racist-- would join the mob and riots when an event of this scale happens.

And OF COURSE there will be a lot of lower-class white people mixed in with the looters, killers, and general anarchists... But in the south, there's no question that they would be outnumbered, just as they were during Katrina and other riots in heavily African American parts of the country.

Of course, my pointing this out is racist because I'm not Black. I'm trying to distance myself from the accusation, but really, I'm a part-white guy saying that a lot of Black people would turn to crime if the end of the world were to arrive. So I don't blame anyone for raising a flag on this one. It's a tough thing for me to say, but I have to admit that-- from a historical standpoint-- there's little evidence to disprove the theory.

And so if we take it that, Yes, many people from the lower-class African American community might be out there in the first few weeks of the apocalypse to riot, loot, and give up on laws entirely as they did during the Katrina event, then it stands to reason that these folks were shot and burned by the military shortly thereafter.

So the reason you're not seeing as many Black people in TWD's version of South Georgia is because many members of the Black community were killed when martial law kicked in, and the soldiers got their orders to shoot rioters on sight.

Or, if all that is too politically and racially-charged for you, then we can just say the show is a white nerd show about zombies, made by mostly white nerds, written by a white nerd, and aired by AMC which seems to have a serious lack of shows about Black people who aren't criminals, and it's just the status quo from a bunch of people who don't realize they're being racially insensitive by not including enough positive images of African American zombies.

Take your pick.

/My apologies to the African American community.
//If it helps my case, I think Michonne is really cute.
///T-Dogg, though, does nothing for me. Sometimes I forget he's on the show.
////Hell, sometimes I think HE forgets he's on the show.


TL;DR
Joking. I'm gonna go with the latter option. I know too many cautious-as-f*ck attractive and successful lower-income tax bracket African Americans.
/that deserved an apology
//Michonne is a brickhouse
///T-dog is hands down the only black male lead on the show
////and is as developed as Beth, which is bullshiat
2012-10-29 07:42:32 PM
1 votes:

The Banana Thug: fusillade762: Barricaded Gunman: buntz: But all this aside, can we ALL agree that Chris Hardwick is a douche of the highest caliber and that Talking Dead show is pointless?

We can absolutely agree to that, yes.

I like Talking Dead. The mohawk guy from NASA had some surprisingly funny comments last night. That and the "In Memoriam" segment never fails to crack me up. I guess I'm just easily entertained.

/still thinks they shouldn't have killed Big Tiny

I don't think "they" killed Big Tiny. I think it was just that one prisoner who did it, and in turn Rick killed that prisoner because it became clear that he was a rogue killer from the way he killed Big Tiny. That's how I remember it, anyway.


I think he meant "they" as in the writers. Big Tiny could have been a fun character and the writers had Tomas split his head open like a melon instead. Such a waste. Could have just as easily been the scrawny guy who likes his pharmaceuticals. But I guess they chose Tomas to go after the biggest guy in the group to show that he's not afraid. Big Tiny could have snapped him like a twig had he been in his right mind. Instead, Tomas got the jump on him.
2012-10-29 06:46:40 PM
1 votes:

Barricaded Gunman: buntz: But all this aside, can we ALL agree that Chris Hardwick is a douche of the highest caliber and that Talking Dead show is pointless?

We can absolutely agree to that, yes.


I like Talking Dead. The mohawk guy from NASA had some surprisingly funny comments last night. That and the "In Memoriam" segment never fails to crack me up. I guess I'm just easily entertained.

/still thinks they shouldn't have killed Big Tiny
2012-10-29 05:35:35 PM
1 votes:

Honest Bender: buntz: I don't read the comics, so I don't want any spoilers from the comics, please, but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

1. The comic spends VERY little time in woodbury.
2. I don't remember seeing people doing anything that I would call normal.

It seemed fairly dystopian. The place was kinda a dump, the people had a very "trailer park red neck" vibe to them...

You really should read the comics. Much much better.


Not only that, the comics and show have diverged so much that reading the comics doesn't spoil anything from the show, b/c the two are barely alike. This isn't Game of Thrones, where they try their damnedest to be close to the book, even when it's not a good idea. Read the comics, watch the show, compare and contrast. The comic book Governor was a caricature, all style. The show is making him into one charming sociopath. Nobody would follow a monster unless he was good at hiding it...
2012-10-29 05:33:49 PM
1 votes:

Honest Bender: buntz: I don't read the comics, so I don't want any spoilers from the comics, please, but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

1. The comic spends VERY little time in woodbury.
2. I don't remember seeing people doing anything that I would call normal.

It seemed fairly dystopian. The place was kinda a dump, the people had a very "trailer park red neck" vibe to them...

You really should read the comics. Much much better.


I also remember the comics having a lot of plot in the prison before even introducing Woodbury. It would be a shame to lose all of that just for the sake of rushing the Governor storyline. I think the Prison/Woodbury arc was the best part of the comic so far.
2012-10-29 04:43:55 PM
1 votes:

ranak: Neither

** SPOLIER ALERT **

One of the prisoners is really a serial killer. It's one of the things that they'll take from the books. Notice that this "watcher" happened only after they cut the remaining prisoners loose i their own cell block.


Why would he be watching from the woods where there are zombies instead of from inside the prison he knows inside and out? (unless it's the guy that we assume got killed when Rick closed door)
2012-10-29 03:22:21 PM
1 votes:

someonelse: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: The governor is a creepy motherfarker.

I'm more creeped out by the scientist nerd who inexplicably looks and sounds exactly like John Ritter but somehow isn't related to John Ritter.

/not really, I like it whenever that actor turns up


I think he's a little too willing to polish the governor's balls. That's the full extent of his creepiness in my eyes.
2012-10-29 02:56:59 PM
1 votes:

kumanoki: I am curious to know... you know, we've seen a glipse of how deadly the Governor can be as a leader...but what about the town itself. Andrea and Michonne's tour guide kinda gave me the creeps with her half-answers. I wonder how Woodbury has skewed its society to fit into the mold the Governor has made?

Also, projecting ahead- Andrea and Michonne have no idea where the prison is. How will these two groups interact?


Nazi Germany style. Conquered Poland style. White Citizen's Council style (god, did we really have those back in the day?) ... and deep in the most decrepit hood style. If you want to survive, you shut up and pretend you didn't see what you just saw. None of your business. Your only objective is to survive, not be a hero. Let someone else deal with it.

It's the resting version of being the fastest runner fleeing a pack of zombies. The Governor is Shane. The citizens are everyone back on the farm who knew or reasoned out that Shane killed Otis. Everyone you *don't* see, or whom is a head in the Governor's aquarium set, is Dale.

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kumanoki: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Craptastic: buntz: but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

That's exactly the sort of stuff that people would love to do in the event of the zombie apocolypse. A return to some sort of "normalcy" can do wonders for your mental well-being in times of strife.

That's all well and good until the white boy mentions 'rising again'. No, I'm out. See ya and ya strange tea brewer. It's the South. All the women are in dresses, got folks stringing other folks up in trees and zombifying em, screw that.

I have to admit, this is the whitest version of South Georgia I've ever seen.


Thank you for reminding me of something. There were lots and lots of black zombies everywhere. Everywhere you turn, there's a black zombie here, a black zombie there. Didn't even reach the prison yet. Daryl's always taking out black zombies. Andrea had a freak out when a black zombie grabbed her legs in the 'every southerner's worst/most cherished fantasy' rape pose (which offended me at the time) before Maggie came riding in on her horse to wack it's head in.

There were no black zombies in the barn.

Hershell said that all these people were his friends and neighbors, and he knew them all by name. There were no black zombies in the barn. Since Otis -- whom I love to death -- was the one doing the bulk of the zombie wrassling, was that a surreptitious nod to Otis' character in the comic books, that there would be no black zombies in the barn? Or was it just the casting directors saying it's cool to have black folks wandering the woods, but not to be kept in the barn by a grieving vet who's awaiting a cure? not worth saving either way, as it were.
2012-10-29 01:31:19 PM
1 votes:

Plant Rights Activist: kumanoki: I am curious to know... you know, we've seen a glipse of how deadly the Governor can be as a leader...but what about the town itself. Andrea and Michonne's tour guide kinda gave me the creeps with her half-answers. I wonder how Woodbury has skewed its society to fit into the mold the Governor has made?


Haven't read the comics so pure speculation here. I'm guessing the town has some serious gender inequality going on. There was a heck of a lot of mentioning how the men put everything on the line and Andrea makes some rather bizarre feminist remarks during breakfast. Also, none of the women appear to be armed.


I'm guessing that part of the Gov's vision of rebuilding society involves returning to an imaginary era of easily subjugated women whose roles don't extend beyond domestic duties. The show has half-heartedly nibbled around the edges of gender issues before.
2012-10-29 01:00:35 PM
1 votes:

solokumba: I know one thing... the taking of the army troops was totally bullshiat. Even the smallest group of soldiers know to secure a perimeter in any situation. Total bullshiat.


Actually they were national guardsmen so they're not going to be full on soldiers. I'll give them a pass on not being 100% secure. Also when somebody drives up in a car. You don't expect them to start shooting immediately. You're looking for walkers.

/put me in the chopper was shot down camp.
2012-10-29 12:29:41 PM
1 votes:
buntz: But all this aside, can we ALL agree that Chris Hardwick is a douche of the highest caliber and that Talking Dead show is pointless?

We can absolutely agree to that, yes.
2012-10-29 12:22:44 PM
1 votes:

bill4935: Good, people, good. Keep buying those Walking Dead Season DVD collections.

I figure as soon as Kirkman becomes a billionaire, he'll launch his own media empire, and that's when I can expect my Allen the Alien saturday morning cartoon to become reality. Zombies are just a dwindling fad. Cyclops ETs are the coming thing.

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/link is hot like a nova in your backyard.


Glad I'm not the only person that loves Allen the Alien! One of my all time favorite comicbook characters. I like Invincible more than Walking Dead. A little more humorous and more fun to read. Walking Dead graphic novel is just depressing and is becoming a grind. Kirkman needs to end it, explain the zombie outbreak, or something. It's getting to be as depressing to read as Cormac McCarthy's "The Road" novel.

The Rise of the Governor novel by Kirkman is worth reading if you are a Walking Dead fan and want to know more about him.
2012-10-29 12:16:30 PM
1 votes:

PsyLord: So was the helicopter shot down?

/not sure if I heard a shot or not...


For sure.
2012-10-29 12:11:48 PM
1 votes:
So was the helicopter shot down?

/not sure if I heard a shot or not...
2012-10-29 12:04:17 PM
1 votes:

buntz: I see all your points. It's just not something *I* would be doing.

But all this aside, can we ALL agree that Chris Hardwick is a douche of the highest caliber and that Talking Dead show is pointless?
He has on stars or show creators that can't and won't discuss anything worthwhile so it's basically just him sitting there geeking out over the show?

(also, he mentioned porn 4 times in 1/2 hour last night). Seriously, what's up with this guy??


I agree with you about my choice, just saying I think many would embrace old life-style drudging real quick. I think I'd have been losing my shiat the second my weapons had been taken. In that world I would consider the loss of weapons, a death sentence for the loser and a capital offense for the one who takes them. Only my opinion, but I think I'd have serious anxiety until I had something skull crushable in my hands.
2012-10-29 12:00:38 PM
1 votes:
Good, people, good. Keep buying those Walking Dead Season DVD collections.

I figure as soon as Kirkman becomes a billionaire, he'll launch his own media empire, and that's when I can expect my Allen the Alien saturday morning cartoon to become reality. Zombies are just a dwindling fad. Cyclops ETs are the coming thing.

1.bp.blogspot.com

/link is hot like a nova in your backyard.
2012-10-29 11:57:45 AM
1 votes:
I see all your points. It's just not something *I* would be doing.

But all this aside, can we ALL agree that Chris Hardwick is a douche of the highest caliber and that Talking Dead show is pointless?
He has on stars or show creators that can't and won't discuss anything worthwhile so it's basically just him sitting there geeking out over the show?

(also, he mentioned porn 4 times in 1/2 hour last night). Seriously, what's up with this guy??
 
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