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2012-10-29 02:44:55 PM  

Saiga410: BizarreMan: solokumba: I know one thing... the taking of the army troops was totally bullshiat. Even the smallest group of soldiers know to secure a perimeter in any situation. Total bullshiat.

Actually they were national guardsmen so they're not going to be full on soldiers. I'll give them a pass on not being 100% secure. Also when somebody drives up in a car. You don't expect them to start shooting immediately. You're looking for walkers.

/put me in the chopper was shot down camp.

Wait, they would not be expecting someone to shoot at them after they get shot down?

It also makes no sense that someone would shoot down the chopper. I just cannot think of a motivation to shoot it down. To find out where their base is so that you can raid it? If they are able to maintain a chopper then it would make sense that they are very secure.


- Choppers draw zombies, get it out of the sky once and for all
- Psychosis, they thought they were shooting a dragon
- Black helicopter fantasies come true, so take the bastards out for doing this to us
- Why are you watching us? Die.
- For the lulz.
 
2012-10-29 02:45:11 PM  

NeoCortex42: Hebalo: NeoCortex42: Thanks. I'm going to have to disagree with him on 3, though. I thought the way it went down in the comics was a much better decision than the TV show.

Nah. The Tv version gave us a more interest take on their relationship, and presented variations on the nature of leadership, and sacrifice. Admittedly, the pacing of the farm episodes hurt it, but it was about the only bearable part of all that.

But the way the comic handled it started Carl along the path to badass. It showed him learning to deal with the realities of the new world and being able to do what needed to be done, as he showed on multiple occasions. TV Carl was farking useless and uninteresting until this season.


End result is the same, same inciting incident. Plus we got a season of Rick vs Shane.
 
2012-10-29 02:56:18 PM  

Hebalo: End result is the same, same inciting incident. Plus we got a season of Rick vs Shane.


I am excited to see the Rick vs. The Governor storyline play out. ~Now that we've seen the Gov and we know what he's capable of, it will be interesting to see the way Rick deals with him. Will there be initial contact that's tentatively friendly, or will it be and attack (either way) from the get-go?

Contrasting the two men, the two communities, the survivors- on the outside Rick's group looks ragtag and practically falling apart. the Governor has weapons, food...and a mean streak.
 
2012-10-29 02:56:59 PM  

kumanoki: I am curious to know... you know, we've seen a glipse of how deadly the Governor can be as a leader...but what about the town itself. Andrea and Michonne's tour guide kinda gave me the creeps with her half-answers. I wonder how Woodbury has skewed its society to fit into the mold the Governor has made?

Also, projecting ahead- Andrea and Michonne have no idea where the prison is. How will these two groups interact?


Nazi Germany style. Conquered Poland style. White Citizen's Council style (god, did we really have those back in the day?) ... and deep in the most decrepit hood style. If you want to survive, you shut up and pretend you didn't see what you just saw. None of your business. Your only objective is to survive, not be a hero. Let someone else deal with it.

It's the resting version of being the fastest runner fleeing a pack of zombies. The Governor is Shane. The citizens are everyone back on the farm who knew or reasoned out that Shane killed Otis. Everyone you *don't* see, or whom is a head in the Governor's aquarium set, is Dale.

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kumanoki: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Craptastic: buntz: but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

That's exactly the sort of stuff that people would love to do in the event of the zombie apocolypse. A return to some sort of "normalcy" can do wonders for your mental well-being in times of strife.

That's all well and good until the white boy mentions 'rising again'. No, I'm out. See ya and ya strange tea brewer. It's the South. All the women are in dresses, got folks stringing other folks up in trees and zombifying em, screw that.

I have to admit, this is the whitest version of South Georgia I've ever seen.


Thank you for reminding me of something. There were lots and lots of black zombies everywhere. Everywhere you turn, there's a black zombie here, a black zombie there. Didn't even reach the prison yet. Daryl's always taking out black zombies. Andrea had a freak out when a black zombie grabbed her legs in the 'every southerner's worst/most cherished fantasy' rape pose (which offended me at the time) before Maggie came riding in on her horse to wack it's head in.

There were no black zombies in the barn.

Hershell said that all these people were his friends and neighbors, and he knew them all by name. There were no black zombies in the barn. Since Otis -- whom I love to death -- was the one doing the bulk of the zombie wrassling, was that a surreptitious nod to Otis' character in the comic books, that there would be no black zombies in the barn? Or was it just the casting directors saying it's cool to have black folks wandering the woods, but not to be kept in the barn by a grieving vet who's awaiting a cure? not worth saving either way, as it were.
 
2012-10-29 02:58:47 PM  

solokumba: buntz: He has on stars or show creators that can't and won't discuss anything worthwhile so it's basically just him sitting there geeking out over the show?

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I haven't seen the Talking Dead yet. Is it as bad as Comic Book Men? because that show sucks.
 
2012-10-29 03:01:02 PM  

brigid_fitch: The Banana Thug: kumanoki: I am curious to know... you know, we've seen a glipse of how deadly the Governor can be as a leader...but what about the town itself. Andrea and Michonne's tour guide kinda gave me the creeps with her half-answers. I wonder how Woodbury has skewed its society to fit into the mold the Governor has made?

Also, projecting ahead- Andrea and Michonne have no idea where the prison is. How will these two groups interact?

I was wondering the exact same thing, myself. Not spoiling anything here - in the comics, Michonne discovered the prison first, and then went to the crashed helicopter before being taken by the Governor's people, thus creating a link from the prison to Woodbury. But in the TV series, there's no link, so far. Supposedly, the farm's supposed to be close to the prison, but I don't believe that's the case. I believe 7-8 months went by from the time they left the farm to discovering the prison. I believe the reason why they revealed the prison so quickly at the end of last season was to appease frustrated fans who wanted to see faster plot progression.

And by the way, EXCELLENT casting of the Governor. Guy is both seemingly friendly and genuinely frightening and violent. No way that Danny Trejo could've done any better.

At the end of last week's episode, there was somebody watching Carol practicing a Cesarean on a zombie. I'm guessing that was either a Woodbury scout (actually thought he was Merle until last night) or he'll end up w/one of the Woodbury guys eventually.


I'm hoping it's military.
 
2012-10-29 03:05:14 PM  

kumanoki: Hebalo: End result is the same, same inciting incident. Plus we got a season of Rick vs Shane.

I am excited to see the Rick vs. The Governor storyline play out. ~Now that we've seen the Gov and we know what he's capable of, it will be interesting to see the way Rick deals with him. Will there be initial contact that's tentatively friendly, or will it be and attack (either way) from the get-go?

Contrasting the two men, the two communities, the survivors- on the outside Rick's group looks ragtag and practically falling apart. the Governor has weapons, food...and a mean streak.


Now that I've seen it, I don't want Rick to deal with him... I want Merle to. Or at least have a moment like in the comics which dealt with how the Governor got taken out. That kind of cancer has to be excised from the inside. It can't be removed from the outside. Same way with the unfortunate direction Rick's own group is going. They're going to have to shake themselves out of it.

The only thing I want Rick to do, is to snap out of himself and go 'there but for the grace of god go I'. Kind of like that silly saying about how some people's lives are to serve as warnings for others.. that can be the Governor, for Rick.
 
2012-10-29 03:09:19 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: At the end of last week's episode, there was somebody watching Carol practicing a Cesarean on a zombie. I'm guessing that was either a Woodbury scout (actually thought he was Merle until last night) or he'll end up w/one of the Woodbury guys eventually.

I'm hoping it's military.


Neither

** SPOLIER ALERT **

One of the prisoners is really a serial killer. It's one of the things that they'll take from the books. Notice that this "watcher" happened only after they cut the remaining prisoners loose i their own cell block.
 
2012-10-29 03:14:31 PM  
The governor is a creepy motherfarker. I thought he had a tv goin in that little room. But no. Creepy freakquarium..
 
2012-10-29 03:19:00 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: The governor is a creepy motherfarker.


I'm more creeped out by the scientist nerd who inexplicably looks and sounds exactly like John Ritter but somehow isn't related to John Ritter.

/not really, I like it whenever that actor turns up
 
2012-10-29 03:19:07 PM  
ExperianScaresCthulhu: I haven't seen the Talking Dead yet. Is it as bad as Comic Book Men? because that show sucks.

It's exactly as bad as Comic Book Men, and for many of the same reasons.
 
2012-10-29 03:20:14 PM  

ranak: ExperianScaresCthulhu: At the end of last week's episode, there was somebody watching Carol practicing a Cesarean on a zombie. I'm guessing that was either a Woodbury scout (actually thought he was Merle until last night) or he'll end up w/one of the Woodbury guys eventually.

I'm hoping it's military.

Neither

** SPOLIER ALERT **

One of the prisoners is really a serial killer. It's one of the things that they'll take from the books. Notice that this "watcher" happened only after they cut the remaining prisoners loose i their own cell block.


Oooo. Good point.
 
2012-10-29 03:22:21 PM  

someonelse: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: The governor is a creepy motherfarker.

I'm more creeped out by the scientist nerd who inexplicably looks and sounds exactly like John Ritter but somehow isn't related to John Ritter.

/not really, I like it whenever that actor turns up


I think he's a little too willing to polish the governor's balls. That's the full extent of his creepiness in my eyes.
 
2012-10-29 03:23:36 PM  

brigid_fitch: The Banana Thug: kumanoki: I am curious to know... you know, we've seen a glipse of how deadly the Governor can be as a leader...but what about the town itself. Andrea and Michonne's tour guide kinda gave me the creeps with her half-answers. I wonder how Woodbury has skewed its society to fit into the mold the Governor has made?

Also, projecting ahead- Andrea and Michonne have no idea where the prison is. How will these two groups interact?

I was wondering the exact same thing, myself. Not spoiling anything here - in the comics, Michonne discovered the prison first, and then went to the crashed helicopter before being taken by the Governor's people, thus creating a link from the prison to Woodbury. But in the TV series, there's no link, so far. Supposedly, the farm's supposed to be close to the prison, but I don't believe that's the case. I believe 7-8 months went by from the time they left the farm to discovering the prison. I believe the reason why they revealed the prison so quickly at the end of last season was to appease frustrated fans who wanted to see faster plot progression.

And by the way, EXCELLENT casting of the Governor. Guy is both seemingly friendly and genuinely frightening and violent. No way that Danny Trejo could've done any better.

At the end of last week's episode, there was somebody watching Carol practicing a Cesarean on a zombie. I'm guessing that was either a Woodbury scout (actually thought he was Merle until last night) or he'll end up w/one of the Woodbury guys eventually.


That's right - I'd completely forgotten about that. I first thought it was Merle as well. Now I'm thinking 1) Woodbury scout, like you said, 2) a new character yet to be revealed, 3) the black dude from season 1. #3 is highly improbable, that someone could stumble across the group again (actually just Rick) after getting separated earlier, and that's already happened once with the return of Merle after he was left behind in Atlanta. Twice would be insane. But I don't know of any other character already introduced earlier who'd still be alive.
 
2012-10-29 03:24:41 PM  

someonelse: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: The governor is a creepy motherfarker.

I'm more creeped out by the scientist nerd who inexplicably looks and sounds exactly like John Ritter but somehow isn't related to John Ritter.

/not really, I like it whenever that actor turns up


I thought the scientist guy was gay. He was like Smithers to the Governor's Burns. And that whole weird breakfast where they kept serving tea in that fascinating pot, and Andrea was eating it all up -- figuratively and literaly -- while Michonne was being Michonne.............. it was like him and the Governor had set up house and the two women were guests.

Is the Governor bisexual?
 
2012-10-29 03:26:01 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: someonelse: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: The governor is a creepy motherfarker.

I'm more creeped out by the scientist nerd who inexplicably looks and sounds exactly like John Ritter but somehow isn't related to John Ritter.

/not really, I like it whenever that actor turns up

I think he's a little too willing to polish the governor's balls. That's the full extent of his creepiness in my eyes.


I disagree. I saw a lot of misgiving there, but fear, too. I think Milton knows where his bread is buttered and the Governor keeps him close because you keep smart people close to you. That was established in the conversation they had about Milton's opinion. Milton told the Governor, the truth, but it was very guarded, possibly no to incur any type of punishment.
 
2012-10-29 03:30:58 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: ExperianScaresCthulhu: I haven't seen the Talking Dead yet. Is it as bad as Comic Book Men? because that show sucks.

It's exactly as bad as Comic Book Men, and for many of the same reasons.


No, Comic Book Men makes fun of their bread and butter, the customers. I've been in that shop countless times over the years. Mike's a great guy, which is why he typically hangs back when the others are REALLY bashing on people. He's the one who's always in the shop, interacting with customers. As often as I've been in there (at least once a month, more often when the weather's nice enough to take out the motorcycle--Red Bank's one of the few bike-friendly towns) I think I've seen Walt 3 times and Ming once and that's in the past year. I think I must have hit the place shortly after a taping on those occasions.

Talking Dead is bad because Hardwick's a little too full of himself and he's a TERRIBLE interviewer. And I think AMC has him running through so many different things in just a 1/2 hour, which just adds to the aggravation. But he at least respects the guests and the fans, even if he acts as though he's higher up on the geek chain.
 
2012-10-29 03:32:46 PM  

kumanoki: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: someonelse: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: The governor is a creepy motherfarker.

I'm more creeped out by the scientist nerd who inexplicably looks and sounds exactly like John Ritter but somehow isn't related to John Ritter.

/not really, I like it whenever that actor turns up

I think he's a little too willing to polish the governor's balls. That's the full extent of his creepiness in my eyes.

I disagree. I saw a lot of misgiving there, but fear, too. I think Milton knows where his bread is buttered and the Governor keeps him close because you keep smart people close to you. That was established in the conversation they had about Milton's opinion. Milton told the Governor, the truth, but it was very guarded, possibly no to incur any type of punishment.


He's a submissive slave either way. It will be awesome to see the governor's downfall.
 
2012-10-29 03:36:21 PM  

ranak: ExperianScaresCthulhu: At the end of last week's episode, there was somebody watching Carol practicing a Cesarean on a zombie. I'm guessing that was either a Woodbury scout (actually thought he was Merle until last night) or he'll end up w/one of the Woodbury guys eventually.

I'm hoping it's military.

Neither

** SPOLIER ALERT **

One of the prisoners is really a serial killer. It's one of the things that they'll take from the books. Notice that this "watcher" happened only after they cut the remaining prisoners loose i their own cell block.


Until last night, I honestly didn't think they were going to bother w/that storyline. I thought they just rushed through the prison storyline to get to The Governor. Killing Tomas/Derek seemed an organic place to end that story arc, leaving us w/just Woodbury (which is more than enough for a whole season). Now, I'm not so sure. The zombies either got into the yard because of one of the inmates or because of whomever was watching Carol operate on the zombie.

The Banana Thug: That's right - I'd completely forgotten about that. I first thought it was Merle as well. Now I'm thinking 1) Woodbury scout, like you said, 2) a new character yet to be revealed, 3) the black dude from season 1. #3 is highly improbable, that someone could stumble across the group again (actually just Rick) after getting separated earlier, and that's already happened once with the return of Merle after he was left behind in Atlanta. Twice would be insane. But I don't know of any other character already introduced earlier who'd still be alive.


Oooooo, new theory just occurred to me. Maybe it's Andrew! We didn't see him get killed, just heard a lot of yelling & screaming. Maybe he got out, is hanging around the prison, and lets the zombies in (like his character in the comic). He could still end up w/the Governor and lead them to the prison.
 
2012-10-29 03:40:25 PM  

kumanoki: ranak: ExperianScaresCthulhu: At the end of last week's episode, there was somebody watching Carol practicing a Cesarean on a zombie. I'm guessing that was either a Woodbury scout (actually thought he was Merle until last night) or he'll end up w/one of the Woodbury guys eventually.

I'm hoping it's military.

Neither

** SPOLIER ALERT **

One of the prisoners is really a serial killer. It's one of the things that they'll take from the books. Notice that this "watcher" happened only after they cut the remaining prisoners loose i their own cell block.

Oooo. Good point.


But the viewpoint is from outside the wire and the only way out of the wire is though the hole cut by Rick's group. Carol and Glen were in the yard while the mens were clearing the block/fighting amongst themeselves.... how did the prisoner get outside without alerting Carol?
 
2012-10-29 03:40:49 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: ExperianScaresCthulhu: I haven't seen the Talking Dead yet. Is it as bad as Comic Book Men? because that show sucks.

It's exactly as bad as Comic Book Men, and for many of the same reasons.


For real? That's too bad. I wanted to give Comic Book Men a chance, but The Comic Book Men don't really embrace their geekiness. Part of embracing your geekiness is embracing it in others. It would be a much more fun show if they did so. They don't. Then there's the treatment of the Asian dude, which was my final straw.

I have never seen a show showcase the invisible knapsack in the exact way Comic Book Men did. Thank you for the warning. Looks like I'll be sticking to the webisodes and ignoring the Talking Dead. :(
 
2012-10-29 03:43:14 PM  

brigid_fitch: Oooo, new theory just occurred to me. Maybe it's Andrew! We didn't see him get killed, just heard a lot of yelling & screaming. Maybe he got out, is hanging around the prison, and lets the zombies in (like his character in the comic). He could still end up w/the Governor and lead them to the prison.


Oh, now that's some good storytelling!

Also, I want to see the Governor be vicious. Like Pan's Labyrinth wine bottle vicious. We've established that he's ruthless, but so is Rick. We've established he's crazy, but so is everyone who's still alive. I want to see him really flip off a box of kittens. Like, seriously.
 
2012-10-29 03:47:54 PM  

brigid_fitch: Barricaded Gunman: ExperianScaresCthulhu: I haven't seen the Talking Dead yet. Is it as bad as Comic Book Men? because that show sucks.

It's exactly as bad as Comic Book Men, and for many of the same reasons.

No, Comic Book Men makes fun of their bread and butter, the customers. I've been in that shop countless times over the years. Mike's a great guy, which is why he typically hangs back when the others are REALLY bashing on people. He's the one who's always in the shop, interacting with customers. As often as I've been in there (at least once a month, more often when the weather's nice enough to take out the motorcycle--Red Bank's one of the few bike-friendly towns) I think I've seen Walt 3 times and Ming once and that's in the past year. I think I must have hit the place shortly after a taping on those occasions.

Talking Dead is bad because Hardwick's a little too full of himself and he's a TERRIBLE interviewer. And I think AMC has him running through so many different things in just a 1/2 hour, which just adds to the aggravation. But he at least respects the guests and the fans, even if he acts as though he's higher up on the geek chain.


That's my problem with Comic Book Men. They *don't* respect the people who come into their shop. It's not funny to me, and it's not informative when they talk crap about the customers/sellers instead of just explaining why this customer isn't going to get X amount of dollars.

The white guys (on camera) don't even respect the Asian dude (Ming?) -- very off-putting. Which is where 'full of themselves' would come in in regards to them in comparison to the Talking Dead host? Haven't seen it, so can't give a real comparison.
 
2012-10-29 04:16:57 PM  
But, my doesn't Pine Mountai- I mean, Woodbury look lovely!

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2012-10-29 04:43:55 PM  

ranak: Neither

** SPOLIER ALERT **

One of the prisoners is really a serial killer. It's one of the things that they'll take from the books. Notice that this "watcher" happened only after they cut the remaining prisoners loose i their own cell block.


Why would he be watching from the woods where there are zombies instead of from inside the prison he knows inside and out? (unless it's the guy that we assume got killed when Rick closed door)
 
2012-10-29 04:51:51 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Is the Governor bisexual?


In the post-apocalyptic future, everyone will have to do their part to rebuild the population. Being exclusively homosexual will be a luxury humanity won't be able to afford. Being exclusively heterosexual will lead to soul-crushing loneliness. Also see: Jack Harkness.

But I don't get it: Why is Jackson Lake talking with a weird accent and being mean?
 
2012-10-29 04:54:42 PM  

bill4935: Good, people, good. Keep buying those Walking Dead Season DVD collections.

I figure as soon as Kirkman becomes a billionaire, he'll launch his own media empire, and that's when I can expect my Allen the Alien saturday morning cartoon to become reality. Zombies are just a dwindling fad. Cyclops ETs are the coming thing.

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/link is hot like a nova in your backyard.


Wait, when did Fry, Leela, Kif and Zoidberg all have a love child together?
 
2012-10-29 05:11:31 PM  

buntz: I don't read the comics, so I don't want any spoilers from the comics, please, but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.


1. The comic spends VERY little time in woodbury.
2. I don't remember seeing people doing anything that I would call normal.

It seemed fairly dystopian. The place was kinda a dump, the people had a very "trailer park red neck" vibe to them...

You really should read the comics. Much much better.
 
2012-10-29 05:33:49 PM  

Honest Bender: buntz: I don't read the comics, so I don't want any spoilers from the comics, please, but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

1. The comic spends VERY little time in woodbury.
2. I don't remember seeing people doing anything that I would call normal.

It seemed fairly dystopian. The place was kinda a dump, the people had a very "trailer park red neck" vibe to them...

You really should read the comics. Much much better.


I also remember the comics having a lot of plot in the prison before even introducing Woodbury. It would be a shame to lose all of that just for the sake of rushing the Governor storyline. I think the Prison/Woodbury arc was the best part of the comic so far.
 
2012-10-29 05:35:11 PM  

NeoCortex42: Honest Bender: buntz: I don't read the comics, so I don't want any spoilers from the comics, please, but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

1. The comic spends VERY little time in woodbury.
2. I don't remember seeing people doing anything that I would call normal.

It seemed fairly dystopian. The place was kinda a dump, the people had a very "trailer park red neck" vibe to them...

You really should read the comics. Much much better.

I also remember the comics having a lot of plot in the prison before even introducing Woodbury. It would be a shame to lose all of that just for the sake of rushing the Governor storyline. I think the Prison/Woodbury arc was the best part of the comic so far.


Yeah, there's a ton of stuff that happens at the prison but they're not going to be able to show it on the TV show.
 
2012-10-29 05:35:35 PM  

Honest Bender: buntz: I don't read the comics, so I don't want any spoilers from the comics, please, but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

1. The comic spends VERY little time in woodbury.
2. I don't remember seeing people doing anything that I would call normal.

It seemed fairly dystopian. The place was kinda a dump, the people had a very "trailer park red neck" vibe to them...

You really should read the comics. Much much better.


Not only that, the comics and show have diverged so much that reading the comics doesn't spoil anything from the show, b/c the two are barely alike. This isn't Game of Thrones, where they try their damnedest to be close to the book, even when it's not a good idea. Read the comics, watch the show, compare and contrast. The comic book Governor was a caricature, all style. The show is making him into one charming sociopath. Nobody would follow a monster unless he was good at hiding it...
 
2012-10-29 05:50:14 PM  

Trocadero: Not only that, the comics and show have diverged so much that reading the comics doesn't spoil anything from the show, b/c the two are barely alike. This isn't Game of Thrones, where they try their damnedest to be close to the book, even when it's not a good idea. Read the comics, watch the show, compare and contrast. The comic book Governor was a caricature, all style. The show is making him into one charming sociopath. Nobody would follow a monster unless he was good at hiding it...


Agreed on all points. I really thought that all of 3rd season would be the prison, saving Woodbury for the 4th season, and was shocked when they casted the Governor so soon.

My guess is they will combine a lot of the prison story arc and the Woodbury story arc this season, to make a one big arc. No complaint here, this is a setup for excellent plot pacing, something that the last season sorely lacked.
 
2012-10-29 05:52:51 PM  

Shazam999: NeoCortex42: Honest Bender: buntz: I don't read the comics, so I don't want any spoilers from the comics, please, but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

1. The comic spends VERY little time in woodbury.
2. I don't remember seeing people doing anything that I would call normal.

It seemed fairly dystopian. The place was kinda a dump, the people had a very "trailer park red neck" vibe to them...

You really should read the comics. Much much better.

I also remember the comics having a lot of plot in the prison before even introducing Woodbury. It would be a shame to lose all of that just for the sake of rushing the Governor storyline. I think the Prison/Woodbury arc was the best part of the comic so far.

Yeah, there's a ton of stuff that happens at the prison but they're not going to be able to show it on the TV show.


I'm curious how much of the Woodbury story they show. That got pretty brutal in the comics.
 
2012-10-29 06:10:51 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: serving tea in that fascinating pot


I have one of those, actually. It is pretty fascinating.
 
2012-10-29 06:18:04 PM  

kumanoki: ranak: ExperianScaresCthulhu: At the end of last week's episode, there was somebody watching Carol practicing a Cesarean on a zombie. I'm guessing that was either a Woodbury scout (actually thought he was Merle until last night) or he'll end up w/one of the Woodbury guys eventually.

I'm hoping it's military.

Neither

** SPOLIER ALERT **

One of the prisoners is really a serial killer. It's one of the things that they'll take from the books. Notice that this "watcher" happened only after they cut the remaining prisoners loose i their own cell block.

Oooo. Good point.


Didn't they specifically say like last week that they would not be doing the serial killer arc in the show? I either read the interview with the director on here, or some TWD forums.
 
2012-10-29 06:43:49 PM  
Based on the sneak peek at the end of the episode, my money is on either Axle or Andrew as the unknown person watching Carol.

Andrew may not be dead... we heard screaming and crunching, but he DID have a baseball bat, so the crunching may have been zombie skulls. Those of us who read the comics know what he did there.

Axle... Without spoiling (much) from the comic, I'll just say that I think he's supposed to be a cross between comic Axle and the "tax evasion" prisoner. Both of them have ample comic characterization as a "peeper" type.

I think we're going to alternate episodes between the prison and Andrea/Michonne for the next few weeks, until the two groups unite at or just before the midseason climax (after episode 8). While that's going on, I believe the timeline is supposed to be concurrent for the two groups. It's possible this is a Woodbury scout, but I think it's too early... after all, the Governor only learned the location of the farm last night.

So, my season predictions...
(hopefully more accurate than my predictions for last night's episode)
Episode 4: security breach caused by the inmates (obvious from the sneak peek). One inmate dies (probably Axle), the other joins the group (possibly commotion is overheard by a Woodbury scout coming back from the farm)
Episode 5: Michonne/Andrea discover nastiness at Woodbury, one or both escapes (possibly after hearing about the prison being discovered by scouts, maybe bringing one or more disillusioned Woodbury residents... we need some more red shirts with the group)
Episode 6: Prison scavenging party meets Woodbury raiding party, "misunderstandings" ensue. Whoever managed to escape with Andrea/Michonne joins the prison group
Episode 7: Parley with Woodbury (maybe to release the Andrea/Michonne that didn't make it out), followed by a rescue mission to Woodbury.
Episode 8: Governor attacks prison, is not prepared for the snipers (Andrea, Carol, Herschel, Rick are all good shots) in the guard towers. He loses several men & retreats
Winter Break

That prediction includes some comic plot points, but is actually very different from the sequence of events in the comic. I have no idea how they're going to handle the Governor's treatment of a certain character, but I hope they don't water it down TOO much. I also hope they don't water down the RESPONSE to that treatment.
 
2012-10-29 06:46:40 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: buntz: But all this aside, can we ALL agree that Chris Hardwick is a douche of the highest caliber and that Talking Dead show is pointless?

We can absolutely agree to that, yes.


I like Talking Dead. The mohawk guy from NASA had some surprisingly funny comments last night. That and the "In Memoriam" segment never fails to crack me up. I guess I'm just easily entertained.

/still thinks they shouldn't have killed Big Tiny
 
2012-10-29 07:33:07 PM  

fusillade762: Barricaded Gunman: buntz: But all this aside, can we ALL agree that Chris Hardwick is a douche of the highest caliber and that Talking Dead show is pointless?

We can absolutely agree to that, yes.

I like Talking Dead. The mohawk guy from NASA had some surprisingly funny comments last night. That and the "In Memoriam" segment never fails to crack me up. I guess I'm just easily entertained.

/still thinks they shouldn't have killed Big Tiny


I don't think "they" killed Big Tiny. I think it was just that one prisoner who did it, and in turn Rick killed that prisoner because it became clear that he was a rogue killer from the way he killed Big Tiny. That's how I remember it, anyway.
 
2012-10-29 07:39:03 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: That's my problem with Comic Book Men. They *don't* respect the people who come into their shop. It's not funny to me, and it's not informative when they talk crap about the customers/sellers instead of just explaining why this customer isn't going to get X amount of dollars.

The white guys (on camera) don't even respect the Asian dude (Ming?) -- very off-putting.


Yes, Ming's the Asian guy, whom I've seen in the shop exactly once in probably the 6 or 7 years I've been going there (I only live about a half-hour away). I'm thinking he's a friend of Smith's or maybe the boyfriend of somebody Smith knows and Smith's giving him screen time. Hell, I've seen Bryan there more often than either Walt or Ming and he doesn't even work there. In fact, until the show, I just thought he was some creepy guy who got lost on his way to the porn shop.

Also, in all the time I've been going there, I've NEVER seen anyone come in to get anything appraised. If there are more than 5 people in that shop at any given time, it's a miracle. The place is usually deserted except for Mike. After the first few episodes, I stopped going there. Why should I give you money if you're going to badmouth me behind my back? I still run into Mike when I go to Red Bank (it's a gorgeous town with TONS of little shops, including a gaming store that runs Warhammer & Magic: The Gathering tournaments.) but I'm not giving Smith any more money. There's a dingy little comic book shop in Toms River that could use my money more.
 
2012-10-29 07:42:32 PM  

The Banana Thug: fusillade762: Barricaded Gunman: buntz: But all this aside, can we ALL agree that Chris Hardwick is a douche of the highest caliber and that Talking Dead show is pointless?

We can absolutely agree to that, yes.

I like Talking Dead. The mohawk guy from NASA had some surprisingly funny comments last night. That and the "In Memoriam" segment never fails to crack me up. I guess I'm just easily entertained.

/still thinks they shouldn't have killed Big Tiny

I don't think "they" killed Big Tiny. I think it was just that one prisoner who did it, and in turn Rick killed that prisoner because it became clear that he was a rogue killer from the way he killed Big Tiny. That's how I remember it, anyway.


I think he meant "they" as in the writers. Big Tiny could have been a fun character and the writers had Tomas split his head open like a melon instead. Such a waste. Could have just as easily been the scrawny guy who likes his pharmaceuticals. But I guess they chose Tomas to go after the biggest guy in the group to show that he's not afraid. Big Tiny could have snapped him like a twig had he been in his right mind. Instead, Tomas got the jump on him.
 
2012-10-29 07:49:24 PM  

Jgok: Based on the sneak peek at the end of the episode, my money is on either Axle or Andrew as the unknown person watching Carol.

Andrew may not be dead... we heard screaming and crunching, but he DID have a baseball bat, so the crunching may have been zombie skulls. Those of us who read the comics know what he did there.


That was kinda what I was thinking, too.

/haven't read the comics
 
2012-10-29 09:49:41 PM  

kumanoki: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Craptastic: buntz: but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

That's exactly the sort of stuff that people would love to do in the event of the zombie apocolypse. A return to some sort of "normalcy" can do wonders for your mental well-being in times of strife.

That's all well and good until the white boy mentions 'rising again'. No, I'm out. See ya and ya strange tea brewer. It's the South. All the women are in dresses, got folks stringing other folks up in trees and zombifying em, screw that.

I have to admit, this is the whitest version of South Georgia I've ever seen.


At the risk of someone misunderstanding and calling me racist, let me see if I can come up with an in-universe reason for that...

Remember Hurricane Katrina when it hit New Orleans? Do you remember the death toll, and all the people looting, raping, and killing each other? Do you remember the utter chaos? And, though it grieves me to point it out, do you recall the proportion of Black folks doing the looting, raping, killing, and dying to the white folks doing the same ("Looting" and "Finding" notwithstanding)?

My guess, based on the events of Hurricane Katrina, is that among the lower class you'll find a lot of white people hoarding guns and bunking down in their house, cabin, or shelter in their ultimate survivalist fantasy, a fair amount of white people running around like idiots getting killed, and a few smarter ones who just get the fark out of town, but you'll find a whole hell of a lot of lower class African Americans taking the fall of civilization as an opportunity to loot, murder, and do things that would get them killed during the first chaotic weeks of the event... Just like with Katrina, or the L.A. riots, or the Detroit riots, or many other events in which society became a chaotic mess.

Of course, the smarter people of color, like Michonne, Morgan, or T-Dogg were just fine. They didn't take the end of the world as a cue to go get themselves a new plasma TV. But a lot-- and that's "a lot", and not "all" for those who think this is racist-- would join the mob and riots when an event of this scale happens.

And OF COURSE there will be a lot of lower-class white people mixed in with the looters, killers, and general anarchists... But in the south, there's no question that they would be outnumbered, just as they were during Katrina and other riots in heavily African American parts of the country.

Of course, my pointing this out is racist because I'm not Black. I'm trying to distance myself from the accusation, but really, I'm a part-white guy saying that a lot of Black people would turn to crime if the end of the world were to arrive. So I don't blame anyone for raising a flag on this one. It's a tough thing for me to say, but I have to admit that-- from a historical standpoint-- there's little evidence to disprove the theory.

And so if we take it that, Yes, many people from the lower-class African American community might be out there in the first few weeks of the apocalypse to riot, loot, and give up on laws entirely as they did during the Katrina event, then it stands to reason that these folks were shot and burned by the military shortly thereafter.

So the reason you're not seeing as many Black people in TWD's version of South Georgia is because many members of the Black community were killed when martial law kicked in, and the soldiers got their orders to shoot rioters on sight.

Or, if all that is too politically and racially-charged for you, then we can just say the show is a white nerd show about zombies, made by mostly white nerds, written by a white nerd, and aired by AMC which seems to have a serious lack of shows about Black people who aren't criminals, and it's just the status quo from a bunch of people who don't realize they're being racially insensitive by not including enough positive images of African American zombies.

Take your pick.

/My apologies to the African American community.
//If it helps my case, I think Michonne is really cute.
///T-Dogg, though, does nothing for me. Sometimes I forget he's on the show.
////Hell, sometimes I think HE forgets he's on the show.
 
2012-10-29 10:13:57 PM  

ZeroCorpse: kumanoki: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Craptastic: buntz: but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

That's exactly the sort of stuff that people would love to do in the event of the zombie apocolypse. A return to some sort of "normalcy" can do wonders for your mental well-being in times of strife.

That's all well and good until the white boy mentions 'rising again'. No, I'm out. See ya and ya strange tea brewer. It's the South. All the women are in dresses, got folks stringing other folks up in trees and zombifying em, screw that.

I have to admit, this is the whitest version of South Georgia I've ever seen.

At the risk of someone misunderstanding and calling me racist, let me see if I can come up with an in-universe reason for that...

Remember Hurricane Katrina when it hit New Orleans? Do you remember the death toll, and all the people looting, raping, and killing each other? Do you remember the utter chaos? And, though it grieves me to point it out, do you recall the proportion of Black folks doing the looting, raping, killing, and dying to the white folks doing the same ("Looting" and "Finding" notwithstanding)?

My guess, based on the events of Hurricane Katrina, is that among the lower class you'll find a lot of white people hoarding guns and bunking down in their house, cabin, or shelter in their ultimate survivalist fantasy, a fair amount of white people running around like idiots getting killed, and a few smarter ones who just get the fark out of town, but you'll find a whole hell of a lot of lower class African Americans taking the fall of civilization as an opportunity to loot, murder, and do things that would get them killed during the first chaotic weeks of the event... Just like with Katrina, or the L.A. riots, or the Detroit riots, or many other events in which society became a chaotic mess.

Of course, the smarter people of color, like Michonne, Morgan, or T-Dogg were just fine. They didn't take the end of the world as a cue to go get themselves a new plasma TV. But a lot-- and that's "a lot", and not "all" for those who think this is racist-- would join the mob and riots when an event of this scale happens.

And OF COURSE there will be a lot of lower-class white people mixed in with the looters, killers, and general anarchists... But in the south, there's no question that they would be outnumbered, just as they were during Katrina and other riots in heavily African American parts of the country.

Of course, my pointing this out is racist because I'm not Black. I'm trying to distance myself from the accusation, but really, I'm a part-white guy saying that a lot of Black people would turn to crime if the end of the world were to arrive. So I don't blame anyone for raising a flag on this one. It's a tough thing for me to say, but I have to admit that-- from a historical standpoint-- there's little evidence to disprove the theory.

And so if we take it that, Yes, many people from the lower-class African American community might be out there in the first few weeks of the apocalypse to riot, loot, and give up on laws entirely as they did during the Katrina event, then it stands to reason that these folks were shot and burned by the military shortly thereafter.

So the reason you're not seeing as many Black people in TWD's version of South Georgia is because many members of the Black community were killed when martial law kicked in, and the soldiers got their orders to shoot rioters on sight.

Or, if all that is too politically and racially-charged for you, then we can just say the show is a white nerd show about zombies, made by mostly white nerds, written by a white nerd, and aired by AMC which seems to have a serious lack of shows about Black people who aren't criminals, and it's just the status quo from a bunch of people who don't realize they're being racially insensitive by not including enough positive images of African American zombies.

Take your pick.

/My apologies to the African American community.
//If it helps my case, I think Michonne is really cute.
///T-Dogg, though, does nothing for me. Sometimes I forget he's on the show.
////Hell, sometimes I think HE forgets he's on the show.


TL;DR
Joking. I'm gonna go with the latter option. I know too many cautious-as-f*ck attractive and successful lower-income tax bracket African Americans.
/that deserved an apology
//Michonne is a brickhouse
///T-dog is hands down the only black male lead on the show
////and is as developed as Beth, which is bullshiat
 
2012-10-30 12:23:57 AM  

kumanoki: I am curious to know... you know, we've seen a glipse of how deadly the Governor can be as a leader...but what about the town itself. Andrea and Michonne's tour guide kinda gave me the creeps with her half-answers. I wonder how Woodbury has skewed its society to fit into the mold the Governor has made?

Also, projecting ahead- Andrea and Michonne have no idea where the prison is. How will these two groups interact?


This is a world where after a YEAR the walking dead haven't been picked clean by insects, crows and other carrion birds, dessication, fungi, and so forth... and you're wondering about societal things? They can't even deal with decay in a half reasonable manner and you're worried about societal norms?

It's because the comic writers are, like most arts and crafts graduates... utterly farking clueless about the nuts and bolts of reality. So they make shiat up and say "the characters will act this way because I don't care about realism... I want to tell a _story_... it's an allegory for some bullshiat nonsense I dreamt up"

Seriously, in a few months the crow and insect population would have exploded populationwise. There would be monster SWARMS of flies and other insects that would land on these walking corpses in droves, lay their larva into their eyes and soft tissues, or strip them down to their bones through mass attacks... and in days leave them either a pile of bones, or blind and deaf due to the sense organs being consumed by larva (no sense of hearing if all the nerves, ear drums and whatnot are eaten by maggots or stuffed full of them as they feast on the soft tissues.

But no... we don't see anything like that going on... because the writers are hacks and can't handle the idea that maybe you could wait the zombie apocalypse out and start reclaiming some of civilization once rot and putrification take their toll on the zombies.

Seriously... I liked the show at first... but god damn it... some of the suspension of belief leaps you have to make are just too much.
 
2012-10-30 01:52:15 AM  

buntz: I don't read the comics, so I don't want any spoilers from the comics, please, but the only thing that I have a hard time buying is that people would be so quick to accept normalcy and do things like "landscape", raking leaves, mowing lawns, etc.

I get this Governor is a controlling dude and we don't know what's going on there yet, but the people SEEMED pretty content with the safety in Woodbury.

It hasn't been that long since this all started. it's season 3 but really only it's been, what, a year maybe?

I don't know..... I just doubt I would be mowing lawns and playing in the streets.


You should interact with people more frequently, its pretty par for the course as folks search for balance.
 
2012-10-30 01:59:13 AM  

brigid_fitch: The Banana Thug: kumanoki: I am curious to know... you know, we've seen a glipse of how deadly the Governor can be as a leader...but what about the town itself. Andrea and Michonne's tour guide kinda gave me the creeps with her half-answers. I wonder how Woodbury has skewed its society to fit into the mold the Governor has made?

Also, projecting ahead- Andrea and Michonne have no idea where the prison is. How will these two groups interact?

I was wondering the exact same thing, myself. Not spoiling anything here - in the comics, Michonne discovered the prison first, and then went to the crashed helicopter before being taken by the Governor's people, thus creating a link from the prison to Woodbury. But in the TV series, there's no link, so far. Supposedly, the farm's supposed to be close to the prison, but I don't believe that's the case. I believe 7-8 months went by from the time they left the farm to discovering the prison. I believe the reason why they revealed the prison so quickly at the end of last season was to appease frustrated fans who wanted to see faster plot progression.

And by the way, EXCELLENT casting of the Governor. Guy is both seemingly friendly and genuinely frightening and violent. No way that Danny Trejo could've done any better.

At the end of last week's episode, there was somebody watching Carol practicing a Cesarean on a zombie. I'm guessing that was either a Woodbury scout (actually thought he was Merle until last night) or he'll end up w/one of the Woodbury guys eventually.


My money is on Tyreese finally making an appearance on the show.
 
2012-10-30 02:33:24 AM  

BullBearMS:
My money is on Tyreese finally making an appearance on the show.


Pretty sure I've heard that T-Dog will basically replace Tyreese in the show.
 
2012-10-30 04:57:04 AM  

Bell-fan: kumanoki: I am curious to know... you know, we've seen a glipse of how deadly the Governor can be as a leader...but what about the town itself. Andrea and Michonne's tour guide kinda gave me the creeps with her half-answers. I wonder how Woodbury has skewed its society to fit into the mold the Governor has made?

Also, projecting ahead- Andrea and Michonne have no idea where the prison is. How will these two groups interact?

This is a world where after a YEAR the walking dead haven't been picked clean by insects, crows and other carrion birds, dessication, fungi, and so forth... and you're wondering about societal things? They can't even deal with decay in a half reasonable manner and you're worried about societal norms?

It's because the comic writers are, like most arts and crafts graduates... utterly farking clueless about the nuts and bolts of reality. So they make shiat up and say "the characters will act this way because I don't care about realism... I want to tell a _story_... it's an allegory for some bullshiat nonsense I dreamt up"

Seriously, in a few months the crow and insect population would have exploded populationwise. There would be monster SWARMS of flies and other insects that would land on these walking corpses in droves, lay their larva into their eyes and soft tissues, or strip them down to their bones through mass attacks... and in days leave them either a pile of bones, or blind and deaf due to the sense organs being consumed by larva (no sense of hearing if all the nerves, ear drums and whatnot are eaten by maggots or stuffed full of them as they feast on the soft tissues.

But no... we don't see anything like that going on... because the writers are hacks and can't handle the idea that maybe you could wait the zombie apocalypse out and start reclaiming some of civilization once rot and putrification take their toll on the zombies.

Seriously... I liked the show at first... but god damn it... some of the suspension of belief leaps you have t ...


The short answer: Walker flesh is poisonous to carrion-eaters. Desiccation could be a problem over time, but the south is pretty humid. This episode also established that the walkers DO need to eat, though much less often than do living humans. Eating fresh meat can replenish evaporated fluids, and I doubt the walkers sweat. Leathery, desiccated outer skin could even help to hold moisture in.
 
2012-10-30 10:33:11 AM  

Kali-Yuga: BullBearMS:
My money is on Tyreese finally making an appearance on the show.

Pretty sure I've heard that T-Dog will basically replace Tyreese in the show.


There was a black dude that looked an awfully lot like Tyreese in the Governor's patrol group. I can see him escaping to the prison and then essentially replacing T-Dog.
 
2012-10-30 10:45:34 AM  

The Banana Thug: Kali-Yuga: BullBearMS:
My money is on Tyreese finally making an appearance on the show.

Pretty sure I've heard that T-Dog will basically replace Tyreese in the show.

There was a black dude that looked an awfully lot like Tyreese in the Governor's patrol group. I can see him escaping to the prison and then essentially replacing T-Dog.


It's so wrong that that world seemingly has a "one Black guy per group" limit.
 
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