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(Some Socialist)   The left have convinced themselves of fiction that Obama is the only chance they have for real social change. Of course, BSABSVR, so vote Obama anyways   (socialistworker.org) divider line 14
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2012-10-29 08:20:53 AM
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GAT_00: Really? Because there's a reason I'm voting for Jill Stein.


Because you want to encourage third parties to keep wasting their time, money, and effort on national elections they cannot win (and even if they did, would find themselves powerless to effect any change) instead of focusing on local elections first and building up a base of support in communities that would, in the short term, have a greater effect on your day-to-day life than who the President is and, in the long term, lead to the actual possibility of national gains?
2012-10-29 08:21:21 AM
4 votes:

GAT_00: Really? Because there's a reason I'm voting for Jill Stein.


Because you want a Romney presidency but aren't self loathing enough to actually vote for him?
2012-10-29 08:23:41 AM
3 votes:

beta_plus: Socialism only works in extremely high trust societies, and even then things can go wrong. America is simply too big and diverse to be a society like that.


Fortunately for us, we have a President who is anti-Socialist and has shown he is firmly in his record.
2012-10-29 08:23:34 AM
3 votes:

Cythraul: And what kind of 'social change' is the 'Right' offering us, Subby?


Feudalism is a kind of social change.
2012-10-29 08:24:28 AM
2 votes:
Yeah--well this highlights a pretty relevant point: The extreme left isn't a part of the Democratic party. The extreme right IS the Republican Party.
2012-10-29 08:22:25 AM
2 votes:
And what kind of 'social change' is the 'Right' offering us, Subby?
2012-10-29 08:18:50 AM
2 votes:
Really? Because there's a reason I'm voting for Jill Stein.
2012-10-29 10:04:36 AM
1 votes:
The left have convinced themselves that Obama is the only chance they have for real social change because Obama is the only chance they have for real social change.

Obama, himself, is not a leftie. Not by a longshot. However, he is left of the Republicans. The Republicans are cocoa-puffs cuckoo far right. And with every Republican victory, the Overton window shifts a little more, making cocoa-puffs cuckoo far right just a little more acceptable and being a leftie just a little less. fark, take a look around. Watch some political ads. Candidates will fight about which one's more conservative, while "liberal" is a farking swear word.

Is Obama going to change that reality? No, probably not. But he can shift the window a little to the left. The guy, though he isn't a liberal, has been tarred and feathered as one since he first ran for office. The more people like him get elected, the more the window shifts back to the left, and the more electable actual liberals become.
2012-10-29 08:59:09 AM
1 votes:
Here's the thing: the two parties are constantly renegotiating their platforms to keep the balance somewhere close to 50/50 with respect to the population. If you don't like the Democratic Party platform because it isn't liberal enough, then the best thing you can do is to contribute to a Democratic supermajority. If you vote Democrat earnestly and help them get 70 Senators and 70% of congress (Alas! A pipe dream!), the party will begin to have a serious discussion about how far to the left they can step while still holding onto a majority of voters.
2012-10-29 08:54:04 AM
1 votes:
Many liberal Democrats are disappointed in Obama but this disappointment is totally their fault. They've have created an Obama of their own mind and imagination; an Obama that doesn't really exist. He was the vehicle of their hopes but only in their minds. In reality he never was an engine for real change. He is just Republican-lite; the leader of the other corporate party. Neither of the 2 major parties really represents the working man nor do they stand for fair distribution of the wealth of our nation. An Obama reelection will only at best be marginally better than a Romney victory and could be worse.
2012-10-29 08:51:05 AM
1 votes:
Subby, if you're gonna use a cool acronym like 'BSABSVR', you should try and figure out what it stands for, otherwise you have a sentence that ends up saying: 'both sides are bad so vote Republican, so vote Obama', which is an insult to everyone who actually submitted a good headline, but didn't get the green.
2012-10-29 08:36:06 AM
1 votes:
Anybody that still thinks Obama is a socialist is a farking moron
2012-10-29 08:23:28 AM
1 votes:
I believe this is called tearing off your nose to spite your face?
2012-10-29 08:22:14 AM
1 votes:

mat catastrophe: GAT_00: Really? Because there's a reason I'm voting for Jill Stein.

Because you want to encourage third parties to keep wasting their time, money, and effort on national elections they cannot win (and even if they did, would find themselves powerless to effect any change) instead of focusing on local elections first and building up a base of support in communities that would, in the short term, have a greater effect on your day-to-day life than who the President is and, in the long term, lead to the actual possibility of national gains?


BUT ROMENY == OBAMA!!!
 
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