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(Americablog)   Romney stands by pledge to shut down FEMA, winds of change expected to make landfall within 12 hours   (americablog.com) divider line 83
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2012-10-29 08:35:37 AM  
11 votes:
Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM  
9 votes:
Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.
2012-10-29 09:18:29 AM  
8 votes:
Don't worry, once the storm passes and FEMA is shown to have mitigated the storm's effects, Romney will say he's always supported it and it was his idea in the first place.
2012-10-29 09:23:41 AM  
4 votes:
What a colossally stupid thing to say on the eve of a natural disaster.
2012-10-29 09:22:37 AM  
4 votes:
Wasn't the point of shutting down FEMA to save on federal spending? If you are just going to send blank checks to the states when an emergency happens anyway, what are you saving? WTF is the difference? Is it just me or has "block grants" become the new GOP/conservative golden fleece solution to every perceived problem at the federal level?

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2012-10-29 09:18:21 AM  
4 votes:
I'm sure many of the people affected by Sandy will still vote Romney though, because bald eagle, Jesus, and/or white back in the white house.
2012-10-29 09:03:10 AM  
4 votes:
Well, this certainly provides for the common defense and promotes the general welfare. It will secure the blessings of liberty, too...if we will just elect this great man!
2012-10-29 12:25:07 PM  
3 votes:

Mouser: So, Romney thinks getting rid of FEMA, and leaving it to bankrupt states to figure out how to save their own citizens when we have a national disaster, is the more "moral" thing to do

As opposed to leaving it up to the bankrupt Federal government, I presume.


Please, tell me how this country is bankrupt. You do realize bankruptcy is a legal process. Exactly what court woudl that be filed in?

If you're going to falsely claim that being in debt constitutes bankruptcy, then everyone with a mortgage is bankrupt.

If you're just going to claim we're broke, are we about to default on our bonds? Are we remotely close to needing to do that? Are the markets unwilling to buy t-bills? Do you grasp that on short term treasury bills the real interest rate is *negative*?

Right now the federal debt held privately (i.e., not intergovernmental borrowing) is about 60% of GDP. In 1946, it was double that. Were we bankrupt then?

This is how you become stupid: take an actual problem, like our national debt. Apply a term, like bankruptcy, that does not describe the situation, does not have any real meaning at a national level. Then throw the term around as if it really describes the situation.

Congratulations, you have managed to sound completely stupid.
2012-10-29 11:05:12 AM  
3 votes:
A wise farker once said:

A Democrat's worst fear is that someone who needs help won't get it.

A Republican's worst fear is that someone who doesn't deserve help will get it.

I know which side I'd rather err on.
2012-10-29 10:38:55 AM  
3 votes:

Brubold: I love that the people who've been biatching about the GOP politicizing the Libya attack are jumping on the first chance to do the same with this storm.

Stay classy, hypocrites.


Because Obama was on stage smirking about American's dying like Romney was?
2012-10-29 09:40:42 AM  
3 votes:

karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.


So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.
2012-10-29 09:38:56 AM  
3 votes:

Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


If we got rid of every state that gets more federal money than it gives in taxes I'd be fine with that. The Rs would never win another election.
2012-10-29 09:37:58 AM  
3 votes:
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2012-10-29 09:23:13 AM  
3 votes:
Mitt should think a bit more about what he's saying.

Florida could not be the state it is without FEMA. FEMA helps run the NFIP, which has saved countless homes in Florida (and until the 2003 season, FL's NFIP ran in the black every year). Of course, most of Florida won't care about this - they'll happily vote Mitt without realizing that the only reason we have a flood insurance program at all - like health insurance for old people - is because the private market won't touch it.

Didn't Bobby Jindal's rise get slowed when he started coming out against federal disaster spending like 2 days before Mt Efrysfrandomuir*static*skyll (the one in Iceland) erupted? And like 2 years after half his economic base got wiped away due to poor state-level disaster planning?

Also, disaster planning/recovery is one of the things the Constitution specifically empowers the feds to do. Unless you think "defence" only refers to "people with guns and a mean glint in their eye".
2012-10-29 08:28:22 AM  
3 votes:
FTA: should either no longer be guaranteed and/or the agency disbanded and left to individual states to handle FEMA's responsibilities.

Sucks to be you, poor states (yes, I know I'm in one).
2012-10-29 01:23:44 PM  
2 votes:

authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser:

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?


The several states have already established an agreement to provide mutual aid and collaborative disaster relief. It's called the federal government. Why should they make additional, redundant regional agreements when a national structure is already in place?
2012-10-29 10:54:19 AM  
2 votes:

Hunter_S_Thompson: bluefoxicy: drug money

I'm not saying that every case is like this. But every case I've ever seen is like this. To the other poster who had such an eloquent response to me: I'm not farking shiatting you! They seriously say they "want a job", but then never get up before noon because they were up all night screwing around. Then say they don't even look for a job because "everywhere piss tests". Then they'll say they're going to quit smoking pot or taking pills, and sometimes it lasts a few days or 4 or 5, but since they keep hanging out with other lowlives, they're right back doing the same shiat.

This is just one more reason I think companies shouldn't drug test for menial jobs like gas station clerk or Arby's fry cook. It gives people an excuse to not even look for jobs. I say hire whoever, you're going to know if they're a screw up within the first week, so if they can't do it just fire them. No need to base it on a urinalysis.

But back on topic, I know there are certainly cases where people just fell on hard times. I don't think welfare should be disbanded. But the disillusioned government worshippers have to admit there are certainly cases like this. I see it all day, every day, and it's not getting any better. If you have to pass a piss test to get paid to do work, you should have to pass one to get paid to not work.


About half of all welfare recipients leave the program in a year or less. 70% within two years.

Your lazy ass relatives, friends and fictional characters are the exception
2012-10-29 10:52:15 AM  
2 votes:

way south: monoski: way south: If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.

Besides if your area suffers catastrophic loss you should just borrow the money from your parents. This is how Mittens thinks

...And where are they supposed to borrow the money from?
This credit trains going to end somewhere no matter how awesome Obama is.


Another Republican who never took, let alone passed, economics.
2012-10-29 10:13:23 AM  
2 votes:
What a dumbass. Block grant to the states? We already give the states annual block grants for emergency preparedness. Some of the states do a good job with the money. Others essentially waste it. All of them scream for FEMA whenever anything happens.

Maybe Mittens should privatize FEMA and rename it the 1%EMA. 47% need not apply.
2012-10-29 09:57:50 AM  
2 votes:

MayoSlather: Carn: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.

Exactly. Most state governments are run far worse than the federal government. States are no magic haven of perfect government. It's funny when you ask many republicans about what is so bad about allowing the federal government to run services they'll point to how miserable their local DMV is.


Yep. My mom had a job for several years working directly for the state government and some of the stories were just ridiculous. Local governments tend to be more corrupt too because there's hardly any oversight.
2012-10-29 09:49:55 AM  
2 votes:

HairBolus: Devolving government services and enforcement of civil rights down to the local level if a fantasy solution of the right wing.

If an area is lacking in such then "those people" who are smart enough will be forced to move away and the "quality" of the area will shoot up, while "those people" who do remain are giving their consent to be exploited.

Ethnic cleansing through local politics and getting outside areas left holding the bag.


Forgot to mention that Katrina was regarded by many righties as a blessing in disguise because it was a "natural" form of urban renewal - flushing away the housing of poor people would allow shiny new development.
2012-10-29 09:48:05 AM  
2 votes:

Carn: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.


Exactly. Most state governments are run far worse than the federal government. States are no magic haven of perfect government. It's funny when you ask many republicans about what is so bad about allowing the federal government to run services they'll point to how miserable their local DMV is.
2012-10-29 09:41:31 AM  
2 votes:
Wi8ll Romney have the guts to tour the devastated areas telling the people there in person "Fark you, you should be on your farking own. If I'm elected I won't lift a finger to assist you in the slightest. Farking takers like you are what's killing this country."
2012-10-29 09:35:13 AM  
2 votes:
Besides Alabama and Mississippi can just borrow money from their parents.

Or Mississippi can sell of redundant letters. Welcome to Mispi
2012-10-29 09:33:26 AM  
2 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.


I remember reading a story once about wildfires in California where a neighborhood was being evacuated. A guy watched as a company pulled up to his neighbors' McMansion, had a moving crew walked in and started removing boxes with their precious things, another crew started spraying down the exterior of the home with a fire-resistant foam, and a driver whisked the family away. It turns out they had a subscription to a sort of natural disaster insurance which takes care of you in that sort of event: moving your treasured belongings to storage, putting you up in a 5 star hotel, and battening down the hatches on your home.

This is the sort of world people like Romney want to create - you get the protection you pay for. If you can't afford it, sucks to be you.
2012-10-29 09:30:27 AM  
2 votes:
FTA: "it's difficult to formulate national policy when you don't have your speaking schedule finalized for that day"

That's some funny stuff right there.
2012-10-29 09:25:51 AM  
2 votes:
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Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?
2012-10-29 04:23:42 PM  
1 votes:
I'm pretty sure FEMA falls under...

"insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare"
2012-10-29 01:48:27 PM  
1 votes:

coeyagi: authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser: Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?

Short answer: Haiti.

Long Answer: Your mom.

Longer Answer: Seriously, just go to Freepland if you want to drop this crap. FEMA may be far from perfect, but to argue that it would be better if every state had a smaller budget for disaster relief and not be able to pool their resources as easily.... is retarded.

Yes; I'm sure Haiti would be at the bottom of the ocean, if it weren't for FEMA. We already have the Red Cross for international relief efforts, which is privately funded and far more proficient with its dollars.

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?

Gee, I don't know, it has more experience and can coordinate with the states and other national resources. Do you think states are going to be individually more capable of coordinating resources from the Red Cross than the federal government?

No, of course you don't, you just can't take your mouth off of RON PAUL's dick for 3 seconds and come to grip with reality.


To go one step further, isn't the definition of FEDERAL GOVERNMENT "states collaborating directly with one another [and] maintaining a budget that properly reflects the challenges of their geographic regions"?

We should get rid of the federal government because states can recreate a ... federal government?
2012-10-29 01:12:42 PM  
1 votes:
This is like a repeat of Katrina and the Texas wildfires, when the proud Republicans were going to stand on their own and the feds could shove it---right up until disaster struck, when they changed their stories to "How come the feds haven't come in to save us yet, and given us all blank checks?"

/probably been said a few times...have to read thread now.
2012-10-29 01:00:22 PM  
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x539]
Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?

States have been collaborating on relief efforts long before FEMA.


And private charities would eliminate poverty if welfare was eliminated.

I hope you're not suggesting FEMA can eliminate disasters.

There is no possibility of eliminating poverty, seeing as it's a nebulous term to measure the quality of life for a community of people. While the indigent of one hundred years ago would be lucky to have shoes and indoor plumbing, families that fall under the modern poverty line often have a vehicle, cable TV and other conveniences we've become accustom to.

So let's destroy the social safety net so that the poor can suffer the way they used to.


Ask any tightrope artist: safety nets encourage reckless behavior and diminish any sense of accomplishment.
2012-10-29 12:34:49 PM  
1 votes:
Giving each state the Fed money directly and killing FEMA means that during a hurricane several states would duplicate efforts and not be as coordinated. Does that sound like good business management? Does Walmart have a team of buyers or lawyers in each store? No, that's best handled at the corporate level, just like management of major emergencies is handled at the federal level.

And that doesn't even address the likelihood of those states taking the Fed money and using it to pay for non-emergency things, then griping when an emergency hits because they don't have the money anymore. Or refusing the funds in the first place for political reasons. Just ask Rick Perry about federal fire-fighting funds for last years wildfires in Texas.
2012-10-29 11:38:38 AM  
1 votes:

authorizeduser: Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?


Short answer: Haiti.

Long Answer: Your mom.

Longer Answer: Seriously, just go to Freepland if you want to drop this crap. FEMA may be far from perfect, but to argue that it would be better if every state had a smaller budget for disaster relief and not be able to pool their resources as easily.... is retarded.
2012-10-29 11:36:44 AM  
1 votes:

authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x539]
Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?

States have been collaborating on relief efforts long before FEMA.



And private charities would eliminate poverty if welfare was eliminated.
2012-10-29 11:19:46 AM  
1 votes:
Yes, if there's one thing I admire about Republicans, it's their consistent support for really stupid ideas. They can always be counted on to be consistently stupid. I'd expect nothing more of President Romney.
2012-10-29 11:10:40 AM  
1 votes:

karnal: In hindsight, money should have been spent to strengthen the New Orleans levees before Katrina. President Clinton should have done it. Presidents Bush the First and Reagan should have done it.
1927 was the last time the city of New Orleans did any improvements on the levee system.

New Orleans had in place evacuations processes that were set to help people fend for themselves. These processes failed to take into account the demographics of the city of New Orleans.


Not to mention then the white police force shot several minorities who were trying to evacuate (or in the police force view just trying to loot out where the white people love)
2012-10-29 11:00:47 AM  
1 votes:

Hunter_S_Thompson: This is just one more reason I think companies shouldn't drug test for menial jobs like gas station clerk or Arby's fry cook. It gives people an excuse to not even look for jobs. I say hire whoever, you're going to know if they're a screw up within the first week, so if they can't do it just fire them. No need to base it on a urinalysis.


Something similar that gets my goat (even though it doesn't affect me personally): employers checking credit for ordinary jobs. (There are some jobs with embezzling risk where it's actually relevant).

So you fall on hard times, your credit gets ruined, then you have trouble getting a job because your credit is bad. Like poverty *needs* to be harder to get out of.
2012-10-29 10:53:40 AM  
1 votes:

verbaltoxin:

Yes, we should pity you, for having to provide a service you agreed to do when you applied for your license. I applaud your bravery. I'll send you an official bravery sticker you can put on your mil-spec tactical vest or your Skywarn-adorned SUV with the antenna sticking out of it. That way the next time you go to the scene as a "first responder" the EMT's know who they have to move out of the way.


Actually, I applied for my license and was granted when I was 11, in the 90s. Barrack Obama issued the Executive Order that allows the Federal Government to issue mandatory mobilization of amateur radio operators in emergency situations; Bill Clinton was president when I was licensed, and the only thing I agreed to when I got my license was not to use dirty words on the radio or encrypt my communications on public frequencies.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
2012-10-29 10:51:29 AM  
1 votes:

way south: monoski: way south: If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.

Besides if your area suffers catastrophic loss you should just borrow the money from your parents. This is how Mittens thinks

...And where are they supposed to borrow the money from?
This credit trains going to end somewhere
no matter how awesome Obama is.


Oh no! You mean that the system proposed by mitt would not work? Well I guess according to your logic you should vote for the other guy.
2012-10-29 10:46:38 AM  
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: As pre-insane Dennis Miller put it about abortion: "You want to states to decide? The states can't pave the farking ROADS."

Romney's derp is GOP Governing 101. Here in PA the GOP governor and GOP-controlled House and Senate slashed school funding, leading to 20,000 teachers being fired, test scores cratering and local property taxes going through the roof. But, it was all good, because the legislature got to run campaign ads bragging they didn't vote to raise taxes.

Instead of providing an actual government service like disaster relief Romney and his ilk want to just let the states handle it -- the same states run by governors and legislatures who would watch their own mother get dragged off by Slayer's road crew if calling 911 meant getting a stern look from Grover Norquist. If I may repeat myself from earlier today here, if it was up to them the rescue helicopters would drop credit card swipers down to people stranded on rooftops before agreeing to lower a rescue basket, and no, we don't take farking *Discover*.


You know what is really amusing in that block grant scenario? The blue states, who already have in place comprehensive state disaster plans and contingencies that respond fairly well to disasters would come out ahead. People in red states would just have to suffer though.
2012-10-29 10:43:03 AM  
1 votes:

ghare: Joe Blowme: Dems durring Katrina fiasco : FEMA SUCKS AND SO DOES BUSH!!"
now they love it
Romney want to block-grant FEMA to the states = shut it down?
TONS of FEMA grants to keep rebuilding houses idiots have on huricane coasts = good waste of resources?

Partisanshp, this is how it hurts

You know, poor management of a decent organizational will cause the organization to have problems. This is true at every organization George W. Bush even "ran".


Yes, adding FEMA to the clusterfark that is the Department of Homeland Security didn't help.
2012-10-29 10:42:49 AM  
1 votes:

Hoboclown: No swing states in the path of the hurricane? Most of New England and New York vote Democrat?

He's not going to lose votes over this.


Virginia / Pennsylvania would like a word with you.
2012-10-29 10:38:52 AM  
1 votes:

organizmx: So funny story - one of my coworkers who lives near a major river has had his house flooded three times. Badly, like whole first floor under water, insane repairs, has spent half the time he's owned it living in hotels, etc. To the point he and his family were just going to walk away from the loan and fark all.

FEMA came to the rescue, bought the house from him, and knocked it down. He now lives in a new, nice house at higher evelation. Nicest guy in the world and deserves it.

The point? He considers himself a libertarian.


Well, duh. It's an actual emergency when it applies to him.

But when it's anyone else - they need to just take responsibility for their own lives.
2012-10-29 10:36:25 AM  
1 votes:
You know, the issue keeps coming up.

The only problem ,as Romney sees it, is people.
They just get in the way and fark up all of his corporate cultivation.
Money is his friend. It likes him and just hangs out w/ him. People, not so much.
Partisan hacks love him and just hang out w/ him. People, not so much.
Morally bankrupt leaders of industry love him and just hang out w/ him. People, not so much.
If we could just get rid of people, his ideas/plans/cons would be fine.

Maybe we will come back to Romney for advice after the disaster.
2012-10-29 10:32:59 AM  
1 votes:
After the storm Obama will point out how Romney would have left the states to fend for themselves. Which, could give him VA, NC, and possibly Ohio (if the storm cuts inland and makes it over the mountains).

The GOP will counter with accusing Obama of politicising a natural disaster.
2012-10-29 10:30:38 AM  
1 votes:
So funny story - one of my coworkers who lives near a major river has had his house flooded three times. Badly, like whole first floor under water, insane repairs, has spent half the time he's owned it living in hotels, etc. To the point he and his family were just going to walk away from the loan and fark all.

FEMA came to the rescue, bought the house from him, and knocked it down. He now lives in a new, nice house at higher evelation. Nicest guy in the world and deserves it.

The point? He considers himself a libertarian.
2012-10-29 10:29:38 AM  
1 votes:

Pick: As far as states handling their own disaster relief, Florida does a real bang up job. A model for the rest of the country to look up to.

So yes, States can do a good job of handling it without FEMA.


Take a look at Louisiana and then get back to me and tell me all states are equal and will be able to handle disasters effectively without graft, discrimination etc...
2012-10-29 10:27:53 AM  
1 votes:

The Glorified Jailer: [hilobrow.com image 320x420]


A little known fact. When BP came out with their logo they were running a ton of commercials bragging about how they were spending money on green energy research. They spent more money designing and market testing their new logo than they did on green energy that year. Man that logo does look friendly to the environment.
2012-10-29 10:25:17 AM  
1 votes:

Hunter_S_Thompson: I am not making this up. This is the exact life of *everyone* I have ever met who is on welfare.


I'll bet you'd take the anecdotal evidence of other people just as seriously as you take your own, wouldn't you.
2012-10-29 10:22:59 AM  
1 votes:

Hunter_S_Thompson: I am not making this up. This is the exact life of *everyone* I have ever met who is on welfare. They are not bad people, they are smart, useful individuals, but they have no motivation to do anything else because they are able to "get by" doing nothing. I know a man that is illiterate, yet still manages to work doing hard labor to provide for his family and refuses assistance. They aren't well off, but they "get by". If he can do it, so can the lazy farks that only want to party, get farked up, and have no responsibility at all. I'd love to party all day and night...but I have to go to work.


Bull farking shiat.
2012-10-29 10:20:52 AM  
1 votes:

Cataholic: So we have a headline from a crappy blog claiming he is doubling down...and one from huffpo using the exact same statement to say he is flip-flopping. Which is it?


Maybe you can explain it, because the candidate himself clearly cannot. While he's at it, maybe he could explain exactly how he would handle the situation. Does he want to shut down FEMA or not? Would he hand the money directly to the states, or to the private sector, as he said before? Could he, for once, not be insanely vague, evasive, and self-contradictory?
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 10:15:32 AM  
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: What a dumbass. Block grant to the states? We already give the states annual block grants for emergency preparedness. Some of the states do a good job with the money. Others essentially waste it. All of them scream for FEMA whenever anything happens.

Maybe Mittens should privatize FEMA and rename it the 1%EMA. 47% need not apply.


Block grants. A great way to funnel money to corporate buddies on the state level.
2012-10-29 10:14:19 AM  
1 votes:
FTA:
"Gov. Romney wants to ensure states, who are the first responders and are in the best position to aid impacted individuals and communities, have the resources and assistance they need to cope with natural disasters," the Romney official said.

This is the exact kind of bullshiat statement that we have come to expect from Romney. This statement can easily be spun later to suggest that Romney thinks FEMA is a great resource to help the states cope with natural disasters.
Would some one please pin this guy down with some direct yes/no answers. 

However, at the end of the day, when anyone biatches about how Obama handles Sandy, they need to throw Romney's quote out there.

The more stupid thing is that Obama is going to handle the situation in a great way, and the Republicans will actually biatch that the Federal Governmnet (which is made up exclusively of OBAMA) should not have gotten involved.

The fact that most of the impacted states will probably vote for Obama anyways will just give the darking republicans more ammunition to say stupid crap like "Obama is using FEMA to buy the election."

Mark my words, that will be the new talking point by the end of the week.
2012-10-29 10:09:42 AM  
1 votes:

Cataholic: So we have a headline from a crappy blog claiming he is doubling down...and one from huffpo using the exact same statement to say he is flip-flopping. Which is it?


That is the problem with Romney, isn't it? Even his lies are untetherable. Is his current lie a continuation of a previous lie, or a contradiction of a previous lie? Who knows. They're so etch-a-sketchy.
2012-10-29 10:06:34 AM  
1 votes:
As pre-insane Dennis Miller put it about abortion: "You want to states to decide? The states can't pave the farking ROADS."

Romney's derp is GOP Governing 101. Here in PA the GOP governor and GOP-controlled House and Senate slashed school funding, leading to 20,000 teachers being fired, test scores cratering and local property taxes going through the roof. But, it was all good, because the legislature got to run campaign ads bragging they didn't vote to raise taxes.

Instead of providing an actual government service like disaster relief Romney and his ilk want to just let the states handle it -- the same states run by governors and legislatures who would watch their own mother get dragged off by Slayer's road crew if calling 911 meant getting a stern look from Grover Norquist. If I may repeat myself from earlier today here, if it was up to them the rescue helicopters would drop credit card swipers down to people stranded on rooftops before agreeing to lower a rescue basket, and no, we don't take farking *Discover*.
2012-10-29 10:05:13 AM  
1 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: This is the sort of world people like Romney want to create - you get the protection you pay for. If you can't afford it, sucks to be you.


Just wanted to quote this...
2012-10-29 09:55:19 AM  
1 votes:
It's almost like God is trying to point out how bad a choice Romney is.
2012-10-29 09:49:44 AM  
1 votes:

lawboy87: When New Orleans/Louisiana/Mississippi went through Katrina, one of the key aspects of FEMA coming into play was the order by the President (too late perhaps) to mobilize the National Guard of neighboring states, "Federalize" them and dispatch them to the hardest hit areas to help out.

Good luck to the Gov of (insert state name here), ordering a Nat'l Guard unit from another state to assist with disaster control.


And good luck trying to coordinate not only all of the agencies in your own state, but also coordinating with state agencies of adjacent states. It's logistically impossible, especially during an emergency.
2012-10-29 09:49:30 AM  
1 votes:

stoli n coke: ghare: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!

Funny thing is, FEMA operations have gone pretty smooth in this administration, just like they did during Clinton and Bush I.

The only time they really hit a snag was when Dubya put the Horse Whisperer in charge.


OKC (the Murrah building), WTC in '93 (credit to HW Bush for that one - Clinton had been in office about a month), the hurricanes/blizzards in '96, 9/11 (again, some credit to Clinton for that) - FEMA got high marks for all of those.

Michael Brown had been running FEMA for 2.5 years by time Katrina farked up the Gulf Coast.
2012-10-29 09:46:10 AM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Wait a minute. I thought the president got the blame for natural disasters. Now it's the guy running against the president?


Your reading comprehension sucks (duh!). Romney is being blamed for his need to lie on every single issue, whether or not lying is even needed.
2012-10-29 09:43:57 AM  
1 votes:

ghare: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!


Funny thing is, FEMA operations have gone pretty smooth in this administration, just like they did during Clinton and Bush I.

The only time they really hit a snag was when Dubya put the Horse Whisperer in charge.
2012-10-29 09:43:33 AM  
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.


The Free Market will be more than happy to fix your house after the storm. Just sell it to them for pennies on the dollar, then sign a lease at a rate higher than what your mortgage was.
2012-10-29 09:42:40 AM  
1 votes:
Remember when natural disasters were on that short list of things that didn't get politicized and cynically used for personal gain? Yeah you can thank George W. Bush for ruining that too.
2012-10-29 09:42:17 AM  
1 votes:

Waxing_Chewbacca: If we got rid of every state that gets more federal money than it gives in taxes I'd be fine with that. The Rs would never win another election.


I keep hearing how the nation needs to be run more like a company. Any good company needs to know when you cut an unprofitable division that seems unlikely to make any profit in the future. Alabama is the Zune of America.
2012-10-29 09:42:15 AM  
1 votes:

sprawl15: jayhawk88: Brostorm: jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?

That is still federal money and more importantly some states subsidizing others. He cant win this argument.

Nevermind the merits for now, I'd be happy to just know what exactly the argument is?

So would Romney.

He's arguing both - that we should eliminate FEMA and the spending that goes with it, but then recreate FEMA spending independently via block grants to states which makes no farking sense at all because disasters don't hit on a normal distribution every year.


Can't you just see it? Giant thunderstorm tears through Kansas/Oklahoma, hitting both OKC and Wichita.

"Oklahoma, how are your relief efforts coming?"
"Well pretty good, we have shelters setup for those people who have damaged homes, extra food and water are being trucked in, and crews are working to restore power throughout the city."
"Excellent. Kansas?"
"Uh....we hadn't had a major tornado for several years, so we spent all our disaster money on a Creationism Museum. We...kind of have a few thousand people with nowhere to sleep tonight."
2012-10-29 09:39:37 AM  
1 votes:

karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.


Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!
2012-10-29 09:38:03 AM  
1 votes:

js34603: What a colossally stupid thing to say on the eve of a natural disaster.


Seriously. Even if you do agree with all of his policies, you kind of have to wonder if he just doesn't think about how people will react to the things he says?

Dear Republicans and all politicians: Employ at least one non-robot, brown (any race), female person who can review things before you say them. And when in doubt, keep your mouth shut.
2012-10-29 09:37:58 AM  
1 votes:

Arkanaut: Frankly, he has nothing to lose by sticking to the anti-FEMA stance right now. The storm is mostly going to hit NY, NJ, Connecticut, and Eastern PA -- it's not like it's going to swing the election.


I think it's because there are only 9 days until the election, and if you don't have your mind made up now, you probably have trouble with reading above a 2nd grade level.
2012-10-29 09:29:13 AM  
1 votes:

vpb: Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.


When that day comes and they do manage to axe most federal support systems something will happen. How will their screams be answered? With looting, pillaging, riots and their oh so favorite word, rape. They will get a good lesson on the last. A good hard long terrible lesson.
2012-10-29 09:27:40 AM  
1 votes:
CSB: My only personal experience with FEMA was awful. A year ago, my mom's cabin (a second home) on the Sopchoppy River was flooded. So, my now-wife and I go down there and clean it up. As we're wrapping it up for the day, the FEMA guys come by. They ask if we need help, I explain that it's my mom's second home, we're fine, and go find someone who really needs help (we'd been interrupted about every half-hour by "aid" workers, whose "aid" consisted of taking down pages and pages ofinformation as they sat inside their air conditioned car, so I was pretty terse.) They ask if we'll take a ruined mattress off the pile of debris and put it back on so they can photograph the "cleanup". My wife rolls her eyes, but we do it.
I shiat you not - as we lift it back on, two of the FEMA guys swoop in, "help" us lift, and the camera clicks. Unfarking believable. I smirk and ask if the "dog and pony show is finished." They ask if we'll do a fifteen minute interview about how the storm affected us. I again explain it's my mom's second home, we're going to be fine, surely someone else is more deserving. The farking guy actually says that I don't need to mention the "second home" part. I ended it there.
Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.
2012-10-29 09:27:11 AM  
1 votes:
It sounds like the perfect opportunity to private disaster relief and let a private equity firm make a lot of money, subsidized by the government.
2012-10-29 09:25:47 AM  
1 votes:

wingnut396: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Fark it, sell both.

But wait. that puts Louisiana at the bottom then. At least let me move first.
Think of the savings that we could earn by selling the mouth of the Mississippi to say, a shipping interest in Saudi Arabia and then leasing access back from them.


MarketWatch.com, dated sometime in 2015:

"Bain Capital is pleased to announce it has formally acquired Mississippi from the United States. The Gulf coast is to be downsized and outsourced to India to decrease overhead costs, while the northern portion of the state will be shut down and parted out to Arkansas, Tennessee and Prince Edward Island, Canada."
2012-10-29 09:22:46 AM  
1 votes:
Rmoney agrees with you.

Really
2012-10-29 09:21:18 AM  
1 votes:
Major hurricane and potential national disaster a week before the election? There's a flip-flop for that.

Now all we need is Mittens taking credit for the FEMA response as president before election day, and blaming Obama for rising gas prices before the election.
2012-10-29 09:20:40 AM  
1 votes:
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2012-10-29 09:20:05 AM  
1 votes:

Cataholic: So we have a headline from a crappy blog claiming he is doubling down...and one from huffpo using the exact same statement to say he is flip-flopping. Which is it?


Yes.
2012-10-29 09:19:19 AM  
1 votes:

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


Yes.
2012-10-29 09:19:06 AM  
1 votes:
So we have a headline from a crappy blog claiming he is doubling down...and one from huffpo using the exact same statement to say he is flip-flopping. Which is it?
2012-10-29 09:18:48 AM  
1 votes:
Shutting down FEMA and shifting the responsibility to other agencies could work, and I could could also get a date with Christina Hendricks.
2012-10-29 09:14:56 AM  
1 votes:

Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


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2012-10-29 09:08:42 AM  
1 votes:

Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.


Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?
2012-10-29 09:04:28 AM  
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.


As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.
2012-10-29 08:12:12 AM  
1 votes:
Good luck with that.
 
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