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2012-10-29 03:08:00 PM
Thankfully, natural disasters always respect state borders, so this can't possibly fail at all.


20+ beaurocracies with different rules, systems, and technological capabilities would be a much better solution to handling Sandy than one unified front. Right, conservatives? Even better, let's pass the buck down to cities and counties, because surely they can have no problem saving Atlantic City right now.

After all, they can just raid government employee pension funds to pay for everything!
 
2012-10-29 03:11:36 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Thankfully, natural disasters always respect state borders, so this can't possibly fail at all.


20+ beaurocracies with different rules, systems, and technological capabilities would be a much better solution to handling Sandy than one unified front. Right, conservatives? Even better, let's pass the buck down to cities and counties, because surely they can have no problem saving Atlantic City right now.

After all, they can just raid government employee pension funds to pay for everything!


Yes, and instead of activating the National Guard in nearby states, we'll just send them over to fight in Iran.
 
2012-10-29 03:34:09 PM

bluefoxicy: verbaltoxin:

Yes, we should pity you, for having to provide a service you agreed to do when you applied for your license. I applaud your bravery. I'll send you an official bravery sticker you can put on your mil-spec tactical vest or your Skywarn-adorned SUV with the antenna sticking out of it. That way the next time you go to the scene as a "first responder" the EMT's know who they have to move out of the way.

Actually, I applied for my license and was granted when I was 11, in the 90s. Barrack Obama issued the Executive Order that allows the Federal Government to issue mandatory mobilization of amateur radio operators in emergency situations; Bill Clinton was president when I was licensed, and the only thing I agreed to when I got my license was not to use dirty words on the radio or encrypt my communications on public frequencies.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.


serious question:

When was the last time you renewed your radio license?

Not so serious question:

If you have such a problem with the terms if use of PUBLIC airwaves, why have you not stopped using them?
 
2012-10-29 03:37:09 PM

authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser: Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?

Short answer: Haiti.

Long Answer: Your mom.

Longer Answer: Seriously, just go to Freepland if you want to drop this crap. FEMA may be far from perfect, but to argue that it would be better if every state had a smaller budget for disaster relief and not be able to pool their resources as easily.... is retarded.

Yes; I'm sure Haiti would be at the bottom of the ocean, if it weren't for FEMA. We already have the Red Cross for international relief efforts, which is privately funded and far more proficient with its dollars.

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?


Yeah, that is exactly what would make the current situation so much better.

Cuomo and Christie in a dick waving contest over which one should be in charge of the coordinated relief efforts.
 
2012-10-29 04:14:09 PM

karnal:



Federal money would be needed, especially in the poorer states....but the states would decide how and where the relief money is used.


So you're saying: The poorer states (who vote overwhelmingly (R)) should get federal welfare that other states don't get?
 
2012-10-29 04:23:42 PM
I'm pretty sure FEMA falls under...

"insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare"
 
2012-10-29 04:29:54 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: I'm pretty sure FEMA falls under...

"insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare"


Ppppbt! That's lib talk right dar. Why'd we need to give WELFARE to people so stupid to build there houses in a storms path!?
 
2012-10-29 04:32:48 PM

Leopold Stotch: authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser:

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?

The several states have already established an agreement to provide mutual aid and collaborative disaster relief. It's called the federal government. Why should they make additional, redundant regional agreements when a national structure is already in place?


Well, FEMA would be the redundancy - a rather inefficient one, at that - so, I suppose we're in agreement.
 
2012-10-29 04:35:05 PM

authorizeduser: Leopold Stotch: authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser:

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?

The several states have already established an agreement to provide mutual aid and collaborative disaster relief. It's called the federal government. Why should they make additional, redundant regional agreements when a national structure is already in place?

Well, FEMA would be the redundancy - a rather inefficient one, at that - so, I suppose we're in agreement.


So you're arguing that no central leadership will result in higher efficiencies.

I don't think you understand what you're saying. I think you either need to put down the drugs, or put down the keyboard.
 
2012-10-29 04:56:27 PM

NateGrey: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

No, my attitude towards them was caused by their actions. That's is how grownups behave. I didn't ask what party affiliation they were and they didn't ask mine.

Which is (D), by the way. Although people like you make for irritating tu quoques.

Oh my mistake, I must have you mistaken for another FLMountainMan who posts such Democratic views such as this:

FLMountainMan 2008-07-10 09:44:50 AM
Ah, the ever-tolerant left, basking in the ideological diversity that is America. 

FEMA bad!


Isn't it sad that you consider my views outside the mainstream of the Democratic party? God forbid I not blindly toe the liberal line!

Seriously, the whole thread is just a WTF. I had a bad experience with FEMA and posted about it, therefore I must be a Republican. Because no Democrat has ever had a bad experience with government and if they do, they must never publicize it. The FEMA employees must not have liked me because I'm a (alleged) Republican and the president is Democrat and government employees are all slavishly loyal to their chief executives (which makes me a slave to Rick Scott goddamnitsomuch).

So, in summary, I post about a ridiculous experience I had with FEMA, get called a right-winger and a Republican by people presumably on the left, and you use as evidence that I am a Republican a post I made criticizing the left for being intolerant of diverse views. Despite the fact that I have lobbied for the left, given money to many Democrats, and campaigned for Gore in 2000.

Where did I ever get that crazy intolerance idea from?
 
2012-10-29 05:04:22 PM

FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

No, my attitude towards them was caused by their actions. That's is how grownups behave. I didn't ask what party affiliation they were and they didn't ask mine.

Which is (D), by the way. Although people like you make for irritating tu quoques.

Oh my mistake, I must have you mistaken for another FLMountainMan who posts such Democratic views such as this:

FLMountainMan 2008-07-10 09:44:50 AM
Ah, the ever-tolerant left, basking in the ideological diversity that is America. 

FEMA bad!

Isn't it sad that you consider my views outside the mainstream of the Democratic party? God forbid I not blindly toe the liberal line!

Seriously, the whole thread is just a WTF. I had a bad experience with FEMA and posted about it, therefore I must be a Republican. Because no Democrat has ever had a bad experience with government and if they do, they must never publicize it. The FEMA employees must not have liked me because I'm a (alleged) Republican and the president is Democrat and government employees are all slavishly loyal to their chief executives (which makes me a slave to Rick Scott goddamnitsomuch).

So, in summary, I post about a ridiculous experience I had with FEMA, get called a right-winger and a Republican by people presumably on the left, and you use as evidence that I am a Republican a post I made criticizing the left for being intolerant of diverse views. Despite the fact that I have lobbied for the left, given money to many Democrats, and campaigned for Gore in 2000.

Where did I ever get that crazy intolerance idea from?


There is intolerance on both sides. The point is: look around and digest your fellow Americans and determine who is seething with bigots, morons and ignorance, and which side is tired and getting very impatient (intolerant, if you will) of said bigots and morons.
 
2012-10-29 05:24:38 PM

coeyagi: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

No, my attitude towards them was caused by their actions. That's is how grownups behave. I didn't ask what party affiliation they were and they didn't ask mine.

Which is (D), by the way. Although people like you make for irritating tu quoques.

Oh my mistake, I must have you mistaken for another FLMountainMan who posts such Democratic views such as this:

FLMountainMan 2008-07-10 09:44:50 AM
Ah, the ever-tolerant left, basking in the ideological diversity that is America. 

FEMA bad!

Isn't it sad that you consider my views outside the mainstream of the Democratic party? God forbid I not blindly toe the liberal line!

Seriously, the whole thread is just a WTF. I had a bad experience with FEMA and posted about it, therefore I must be a Republican. Because no Democrat has ever had a bad experience with government and if they do, they must never publicize it. The FEMA employees must not have liked me because I'm a (alleged) Republican and the president is Democrat and government employees are all slavishly loyal to their chief executives (which makes me a slave to Rick Scott goddamnitsomuch).

So, in summary, I post about a ridiculous experience I had with FEMA, get called a right-winger and a Republican by people presumably on the left, and you use as evidence that I am a Republican a post I made criticizing the left for being intolerant of diverse views. Despite the fact that I have lobbied for the left, given money to many Democrats, and campaigned for Gore in 2000.

Where did I ever get that crazy intolerance idea from?

There is intolerance on both sides. The point is: look around and digest your fellow Americans and determine who is seething with bigots, morons and ignorance, and which side is tired and getting very impatient (intolerant, if you will) of said bigots and morons.


Or perhaps to some people it's not about sides at all? (gasp)

/I piss on your partisan hackery
//you are everything wrong with the world today
 
2012-10-29 05:53:55 PM
Story is getting some traction...

Link
 
2012-10-29 06:11:57 PM

FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

No, my attitude towards them was caused by their actions. That's is how grownups behave. I didn't ask what party affiliation they were and they didn't ask mine.

Which is (D), by the way. Although people like you make for irritating tu quoques.

Oh my mistake, I must have you mistaken for another FLMountainMan who posts such Democratic views such as this:

FLMountainMan 2008-07-10 09:44:50 AM
Ah, the ever-tolerant left, basking in the ideological diversity that is America. 

FEMA bad!

Isn't it sad that you consider my views outside the mainstream of the Democratic party? God forbid I not blindly toe the liberal line!

Seriously, the whole thread is just a WTF. I had a bad experience with FEMA and posted about it, therefore I must be a Republican. Because no Democrat has ever had a bad experience with government and if they do, they must never publicize it. The FEMA employees must not have liked me because I'm a (alleged) Republican and the president is Democrat and government employees are all slavishly loyal to their chief executives (which makes me a slave to Rick Scott goddamnitsomuch).

So, in summary, I post about a ridiculous experience I had with FEMA, get called a right-winger and a Republican by people presumably on the left, and you use as evidence that I am a Republican a post I made criticizing the left for being intolerant of diverse views. Despite the fact that I have lobbied for the left, given money to many Democrats, and campaigned for Gore in 2000.

Where did I ever get that crazy intolerance idea from?


Yeah like all Republicans you are full of it.

FLMountainMan 2011-12-06 10:20:20 AM
I'm a registered Republican and literally don't believe a single statement you just typed out. Not one. I can't even think of a Republican friend who believes everything you just wrote (although I admittedly do know some who believe some of those statements).
Link

Why do Republicans have to lie before they tell their made up stories? 

You should of switched to your alt before you claimed you were a Democrat.
 
2012-10-29 06:18:48 PM

coeyagi: authorizeduser: Leopold Stotch: authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser:

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?

The several states have already established an agreement to provide mutual aid and collaborative disaster relief. It's called the federal government. Why should they make additional, redundant regional agreements when a national structure is already in place?

Well, FEMA would be the redundancy - a rather inefficient one, at that - so, I suppose we're in agreement.

So you're arguing that no central leadership will result in higher efficiencies.


One thing the federal government isn't short on is central "leadership". But, no; I wasn't arguing that point, specifically. FEMA is a solution looking for a problem; and will, therefore, always be a bloated, bureaucratic mess that provides very little value for the tax dollars it consumes. States are fully capable of managing their own relief efforts.
 
2012-10-29 06:34:09 PM

authorizeduser: ill, therefore, always be a bloated, bureaucratic mess that provides very little value for the tax dollars it consumes


[citation needed]

There are plenty of operations that are built up as an on-call system. They are never efficient due to the percentage of time they are inactive but that is the price you pay.

It is an insurance policy for the country and, like most insurance policies, they work best when the cost is spread across the largest group.
 
2012-10-29 10:25:36 PM

NateGrey: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

No, my attitude towards them was caused by their actions. That's is how grownups behave. I didn't ask what party affiliation they were and they didn't ask mine.

Which is (D), by the way. Although people like you make for irritating tu quoques.

Oh my mistake, I must have you mistaken for another FLMountainMan who posts such Democratic views such as this:

FLMountainMan 2008-07-10 09:44:50 AM
Ah, the ever-tolerant left, basking in the ideological diversity that is America. 

FEMA bad!

Isn't it sad that you consider my views outside the mainstream of the Democratic party? God forbid I not blindly toe the liberal line!

Seriously, the whole thread is just a WTF. I had a bad experience with FEMA and posted about it, therefore I must be a Republican. Because no Democrat has ever had a bad experience with government and if they do, they must never publicize it. The FEMA employees must not have liked me because I'm a (alleged) Republican and the president is Democrat and government employees are all slavishly loyal to their chief executives (which makes me a slave to Rick Scott goddamnitsomuch).

So, in summary, I post about a ridiculous experience I had with FEMA, get called a right-winger and a Republican by people presumably on the left, and you use as evidence that I am a Republican a post I made criticizing the left for being intolerant of diverse views. Despite the fact that I have lobbied for the left, given money to many Democrats, and campaigned for Gore in 2000.

Where did I ever get that crazy intolerance idea from?

Yeah like all Republicans you are full of it.

FLMountainMan 2011-12-06 10:20:20 AM
I'm a registered Republican and literally don't believe a single statement you just typed out. Not one. I can't even think of a Republican friend who believes everything you just wrote (alth ...


That's some damn fine police work there, Lou.
 
2012-10-29 11:36:19 PM
Could you imagine IL having control. We can't even get our governors to stay out of prison. Downstate would be screwed as is the norm.
 
2012-10-30 08:49:24 AM

Farking Canuck: authorizeduser: ill, therefore, always be a bloated, bureaucratic mess that provides very little value for the tax dollars it consumes

[citation needed]

There are plenty of operations that are built up as an on-call system. They are never efficient due to the percentage of time they are inactive but that is the price you pay.

It is an insurance policy for the country and, like most insurance policies, they work best when the cost is spread across the largest group.


It's a superfluous exercise in moving money around. We can agree that "they are never efficient", however.
 
2012-10-30 10:16:32 AM

verbaltoxin:

Pro tip: I'll be a lot less apt to poke fun at you when you're not waving some false equivalency flag in people's faces.


Your argument that X is not as severe as Y and so X is not like Y is fallacious. Being shot in the leg not like being shot in the face be glad you're alive etc etc fark you I got shot you bastard. The government does not have the right to deploy me into a disaster situation with clear environmental danger and possibilities of rioting as if I'm in the state national guard; apparently it has commanded the authority to do so.
 
2012-10-30 10:18:31 AM

DORMAMU:
serious question:

When was the last time you renewed your radio license?


When Bush was in office.
 
2012-10-30 12:11:31 PM

bluefoxicy: verbaltoxin:

Pro tip: I'll be a lot less apt to poke fun at you when you're not waving some false equivalency flag in people's faces.

Your argument that X is not as severe as Y and so X is not like Y is fallacious. Being shot in the leg not like being shot in the face be glad you're alive etc etc fark you I got shot you bastard. The government does not have the right to deploy me into a disaster situation with clear environmental danger and possibilities of rioting as if I'm in the state national guard; apparently it has commanded the authority to do so.


Nice to know you're a giant asshole with a major problem helping out your neighbors during a catostophic disaster.

Stay classy.
 
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