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2012-10-29 10:52:15 AM  

way south: monoski: way south: If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.

Besides if your area suffers catastrophic loss you should just borrow the money from your parents. This is how Mittens thinks

...And where are they supposed to borrow the money from?
This credit trains going to end somewhere no matter how awesome Obama is.


Another Republican who never took, let alone passed, economics.
 
2012-10-29 10:52:24 AM  

Hunter_S_Thompson: verbaltoxin: doubled99: vpb Smartest
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2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM

They then spend the rest of the evening deciding where/with whom they are going to use drugs and/or alcohol (which I have *absolutely* no problem with if you are supporting yourself), then proceed to get torn up until 4:00 AM, whence they either stumble into their bed, go to bed with a stranger they've been partying with (which I also have no problem with unless it nets illegitimate children I have to support through my taxes), or drive under the influence back to their home, so they can sleep until 1:00 again the next day.

I am not making thi ...


I 100% believe you and all others who say there are people who take advantage of any aid that is provided to them. However, there are people who legitimately need aid or who use it for a short time and then contribute more to society.

Without that welfare money that person's kids would be homeless and starving to death. There are children who have parents who don't care to feed them, they show up at school on Monday starving, exhausted, and dirty. Nobody wants to adopt this kid. The entire situation sucks, but I don't think ending welfare is going to fix it, that will just take aid away from those who do need it.
 
2012-10-29 10:53:31 AM  

MayoSlather: ghare: MayoSlather: ghare: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

What can you expect from a moron who thinks there are mountains in Florida??

You've obviously never been in Florida. There are gradual inclines here that go all the way up to 40-50ft high. The mountains of Clermont are a wonder to behold.

The highest point in Florida is a garbage dump.

You're using the term "garbage dump" in the pejorative. Have you ever seen the sunrise in the misty gorge of two large piles of garbage? It's nature's beauty at its finest.


Oh, don't get me wrong, I LOVE the majestic nature of a garbage dump. It reminds me of...Florida.

/That's right, I'm a native. Last one, I think.
 
2012-10-29 10:53:40 AM  

verbaltoxin:

Yes, we should pity you, for having to provide a service you agreed to do when you applied for your license. I applaud your bravery. I'll send you an official bravery sticker you can put on your mil-spec tactical vest or your Skywarn-adorned SUV with the antenna sticking out of it. That way the next time you go to the scene as a "first responder" the EMT's know who they have to move out of the way.


Actually, I applied for my license and was granted when I was 11, in the 90s. Barrack Obama issued the Executive Order that allows the Federal Government to issue mandatory mobilization of amateur radio operators in emergency situations; Bill Clinton was president when I was licensed, and the only thing I agreed to when I got my license was not to use dirty words on the radio or encrypt my communications on public frequencies.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2012-10-29 10:54:19 AM  

Hunter_S_Thompson: bluefoxicy: drug money

I'm not saying that every case is like this. But every case I've ever seen is like this. To the other poster who had such an eloquent response to me: I'm not farking shiatting you! They seriously say they "want a job", but then never get up before noon because they were up all night screwing around. Then say they don't even look for a job because "everywhere piss tests". Then they'll say they're going to quit smoking pot or taking pills, and sometimes it lasts a few days or 4 or 5, but since they keep hanging out with other lowlives, they're right back doing the same shiat.

This is just one more reason I think companies shouldn't drug test for menial jobs like gas station clerk or Arby's fry cook. It gives people an excuse to not even look for jobs. I say hire whoever, you're going to know if they're a screw up within the first week, so if they can't do it just fire them. No need to base it on a urinalysis.

But back on topic, I know there are certainly cases where people just fell on hard times. I don't think welfare should be disbanded. But the disillusioned government worshippers have to admit there are certainly cases like this. I see it all day, every day, and it's not getting any better. If you have to pass a piss test to get paid to do work, you should have to pass one to get paid to not work.


About half of all welfare recipients leave the program in a year or less. 70% within two years.

Your lazy ass relatives, friends and fictional characters are the exception
 
2012-10-29 10:54:31 AM  

Joe Blowme: Dems durring Katrina fiasco : FEMA SUCKS AND SO DOES BUSH!!"


Wat? Bush was criticized because he gutted the agency and put a horse judge in charge of it.
 
2012-10-29 10:55:05 AM  
bmadore.squarespace.com

Strangely on topic.

/I'm sure someone has a better one.
 
2012-10-29 10:56:45 AM  
I don't understand the problem. Bootstraps work best when floating on flood waters, waving in hurricane winds, or buried under the rubble of a two-story house.

Go ahead. It'll be fun to watch half the red states drive to Rmoney's house and dry-gulch him after the next climate change-enhanced Tornado Alley Tournament.
 
2012-10-29 10:58:51 AM  

bluefoxicy: verbaltoxin:

Yes, we should pity you, for having to provide a service you agreed to do when you applied for your license. I applaud your bravery. I'll send you an official bravery sticker you can put on your mil-spec tactical vest or your Skywarn-adorned SUV with the antenna sticking out of it. That way the next time you go to the scene as a "first responder" the EMT's know who they have to move out of the way.

Actually, I applied for my license and was granted when I was 11, in the 90s. Barrack Obama issued the Executive Order that allows the Federal Government to issue mandatory mobilization of amateur radio operators in emergency situations; Bill Clinton was president when I was licensed, and the only thing I agreed to when I got my license was not to use dirty words on the radio or encrypt my communications on public frequencies.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.


Pro tip: I'll be a lot less apt to poke fun at you when you're not waving some false equivalency flag in people's faces.
 
2012-10-29 11:00:47 AM  

Hunter_S_Thompson: This is just one more reason I think companies shouldn't drug test for menial jobs like gas station clerk or Arby's fry cook. It gives people an excuse to not even look for jobs. I say hire whoever, you're going to know if they're a screw up within the first week, so if they can't do it just fire them. No need to base it on a urinalysis.


Something similar that gets my goat (even though it doesn't affect me personally): employers checking credit for ordinary jobs. (There are some jobs with embezzling risk where it's actually relevant).

So you fall on hard times, your credit gets ruined, then you have trouble getting a job because your credit is bad. Like poverty *needs* to be harder to get out of.
 
2012-10-29 11:01:31 AM  

way south: monoski: way south: If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.

Besides if your area suffers catastrophic loss you should just borrow the money from your parents. This is how Mittens thinks

...And where are they supposed to borrow the money from?
This credit trains going to end somewhere no matter how awesome Obama is.


at least we're not giving the money to billionaires to send to China.
 
2012-10-29 11:01:57 AM  
sprawl15: "recreate FEMA spending independently via block grants to states which makes no farking sense at all because disasters don't hit on a normal distribution every year."

Oh, that's fine. It's not like FEMA block grant funds would be going to disaster relief *anyway*.

The point of block grants is that it keeps the sweet sweet money from the rich states keeps flowing in, but the poor state is free to spend it on *whatever the fark they want* instead of ensuring the baseline welfare of their citizens. So the second someone says "block grants" they're implicitly saying "we have no intention of addressing the problem in question, but would very much like the money to spend on other things."
 
2012-10-29 11:05:12 AM  
A wise farker once said:

A Democrat's worst fear is that someone who needs help won't get it.

A Republican's worst fear is that someone who doesn't deserve help will get it.

I know which side I'd rather err on.
 
2012-10-29 11:08:51 AM  
So, Romney thinks getting rid of FEMA, and leaving it to bankrupt states to figure out how to save their own citizens when we have a national disaster, is the more "moral" thing to do

As opposed to leaving it up to the bankrupt Federal government, I presume.
 
2012-10-29 11:09:00 AM  

Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


Because Texas, Arkansas and Louisiana did not get up that morning?
 
2012-10-29 11:09:43 AM  

Hunter_S_Thompson: Then say they don't even look for a job because "everywhere piss tests". Then they'll say they're going to quit smoking pot or taking pills, and sometimes it lasts a few days or 4 or 5, but since they keep hanging out with other lowlives, they're right back doing the same shiat.


Addiction is a big problem, but there are no simple solutions.

Most addictive drugs are already about as illegal as it's possible for things to get in a non-Sharia country. Stacking on more penalties (legal or economic) is probably not going to help.

Even scaling up rehabs isn't going to keep people from falling off the wagon, and the very nature of addiction is such that people usually resist getting treated.

/No, I don't have any better ideas
 
2012-10-29 11:10:25 AM  
Sorry. They biatch when the feds are in charge and get nothing done (Katrina), then they biatch when the feds try to put someone else in charge.
 
2012-10-29 11:10:40 AM  

karnal: In hindsight, money should have been spent to strengthen the New Orleans levees before Katrina. President Clinton should have done it. Presidents Bush the First and Reagan should have done it.
1927 was the last time the city of New Orleans did any improvements on the levee system.

New Orleans had in place evacuations processes that were set to help people fend for themselves. These processes failed to take into account the demographics of the city of New Orleans.


Not to mention then the white police force shot several minorities who were trying to evacuate (or in the police force view just trying to loot out where the white people love)
 
2012-10-29 11:11:24 AM  

theknuckler_33: Wasn't the point of shutting down FEMA to save on federal spending? If you are just going to send blank checks to the states when an emergency happens anyway, what are you saving? WTF is the difference? Is it just me or has "block grants" become the new GOP/conservative golden fleece solution to every perceived problem at the federal level?

IFeelLikeI'mTakingCrazyPills.jpg


Using Freeper logic, it's because having 50 seperate agencies is more efficient than just having one, so you won't have to spend as much money to do the same job.

/This is what Republicans actually believe
 
2012-10-29 11:11:59 AM  

Girl From The North Country: A wise farker once said:

A Democrat's worst fear is that someone who needs help won't get it.

A Republican's worst fear is that someone who doesn't deserve help will get it.

I know which side I'd rather err on.


New favorite quote. Thank you.
 
2012-10-29 11:14:58 AM  

Mouser: So, Romney thinks getting rid of FEMA, and leaving it to bankrupt states to figure out how to save their own citizens when we have a national disaster, is the more "moral" thing to do

As opposed to leaving it up to the bankrupt Federal government, I presume.


Of course, just look at the bang up job they are doing with the post office and ss. States should not be responsible for going bankrupt, it all Bush's fault.
 
2012-10-29 11:15:34 AM  
There once was a man named Mittens,
With money he was verily smitten,
When in came a storm,
which is perfectly norm,
And he said, "Just throw them a pittance!"
 
2012-10-29 11:17:04 AM  
Girl From The North Country

A wise farker once said:

A Democrat's worst fear is that someone who needs help won't get it.

A Republican's worst fear is that someone who doesn't deserve help will get it.

I know which side I'd rather err on.



I always thought a Democrat's worst fear was voter ID laws.

I always thought a Republican's worst fear was Ron Paul.

"She didn't suffer when the fall-out sprayed"
 
2012-10-29 11:19:46 AM  
Yes, if there's one thing I admire about Republicans, it's their consistent support for really stupid ideas. They can always be counted on to be consistently stupid. I'd expect nothing more of President Romney.
 
2012-10-29 11:20:16 AM  

Joe Blowme: Mouser: So, Romney thinks getting rid of FEMA, and leaving it to bankrupt states to figure out how to save their own citizens when we have a national disaster, is the more "moral" thing to do

As opposed to leaving it up to the bankrupt Federal government, I presume.

Of course, just look at the bang up job they are doing with the post office and ss. States should not be responsible for going bankrupt, it all Bush's fault.


Who keeps giving Cleverbot Fark alts?!
 
2012-10-29 11:20:20 AM  
Scapping FEMA and casting the bankrupt states to the wind is just part of an entirely GOP agenda to further Divide and Conquer.
 
2012-10-29 11:22:17 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Mitt should think a bit more about what he's saying.

Florida could not be the state it is without FEMA. FEMA helps run the NFIP, which has saved countless homes in Florida (and until the 2003 season, FL's NFIP ran in the black every year). Of course, most of Florida won't care about this - they'll happily vote Mitt without realizing that the only reason we have a flood insurance program at all - like health insurance for old people - is because the private market won't touch it.

Didn't Bobby Jindal's rise get slowed when he started coming out against federal disaster spending like 2 days before Mt Efrysfrandomuir*static*skyll (the one in Iceland) erupted? And like 2 years after half his economic base got wiped away due to poor state-level disaster planning?

Also, disaster planning/recovery is one of the things the Constitution specifically empowers the feds to do. Unless you think "defence" only refers to "people with guns and a mean glint in their eye".


Reminds you of why the armed forces are sworn to defend us from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
 
2012-10-29 11:24:51 AM  

theknuckler_33: Wasn't the point of shutting down FEMA to save on federal spending? If you are just going to send blank checks to the states when an emergency happens anyway, what are you saving? WTF is the difference? Is it just me or has "block grants" become the new GOP/conservative golden fleece solution to every perceived problem at the federal level?

No, it's not just you. Block grants are a way for Republican states to get federal money without as many federal strings attached, that way they can say they're still rugged individualists while they're hoovering up taxpayer dollars.

Republicans only like "no government" in theory. In reality, they like government just fine when it's doing their bidding (like regulating people's personal lives).

 
2012-10-29 11:25:02 AM  

verbaltoxin: Joe Blowme: Mouser: So, Romney thinks getting rid of FEMA, and leaving it to bankrupt states to figure out how to save their own citizens when we have a national disaster, is the more "moral" thing to do

As opposed to leaving it up to the bankrupt Federal government, I presume.

Of course, just look at the bang up job they are doing with the post office and ss. States should not be responsible for going bankrupt, it all Bush's fault.

Who keeps giving Cleverbot Fark alts?!


Your mom
 
2012-10-29 11:26:27 AM  
Sorry, I jacked that up somehow. only the first 3 lines were supposed to be italics. Maybe it's the Frankenstorm.
 
2012-10-29 11:26:34 AM  
Sounds to me like Romney's trying to create the Un-united States of America.
 
2012-10-29 11:28:08 AM  
Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?
 
2012-10-29 11:28:12 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: star_topology: Somewhat serious question, would Rhode Island be the most efficient state in terms of disaster recovery (Less ground to cover)? But what about funding? I know jack-shiat about the Rhode Island economy, but I'd be interested in how "Leave it to the state" would work for RI versus a state like... I dunno... New York.

The problem is that a State like Rhode Island could fairly easily have the entire State hit by the same natural disaster. You also have problems when a State has one city or area with most of the population and resources of the state concentrated in it. Illinois would be utterly farked if it had to deal with a major disaster striking the Chicago area if left only to the resources of the State.


Thanks for the answer, PFQ.
 
2012-10-29 11:31:43 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x539]
Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?


States have been collaborating on relief efforts long before FEMA.
 
2012-10-29 11:36:44 AM  

authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x539]
Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?

States have been collaborating on relief efforts long before FEMA.



And private charities would eliminate poverty if welfare was eliminated.
 
2012-10-29 11:38:38 AM  

authorizeduser: Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?


Short answer: Haiti.

Long Answer: Your mom.

Longer Answer: Seriously, just go to Freepland if you want to drop this crap. FEMA may be far from perfect, but to argue that it would be better if every state had a smaller budget for disaster relief and not be able to pool their resources as easily.... is retarded.
 
2012-10-29 11:46:48 AM  

Pick: Yeah, lets give everyone a $2000 debit card after Sandy passes through. That way they can buy important stuff, like drugs, beer, booze and Viagra.

And lets not forget formaldehyde enriched travel trailers for everyone to live in.

/was in Mississippi after Katrina helping with comm systems restoration.
//Wal-Mart had a temporary pharmacy set up under tent. Everyone was biatching they had no Viagra. Just unnecessary stuff like antibiotics, blood pressure medications, insulin, etc.


So, when a disaster victim says, "I just want to farking forget this whole event," they ain't just whistling Dixie?
 
2012-10-29 11:46:51 AM  
I study civil defense, natural disasters, and emergency management for my dissertation. I will not claim omniscient wisdom, but yes, FEMA has problems, as do the state emergency management agencies. The system is by no means perfect, and the shift to DHS compounded old problems and revealed new ones. Nevertheless, disbanding FEMA would open a pandora's box (or Pantera if you have put your shorts on to fight evil today) of problems and present potential levels of fraud, waste, and abuse that would boggle the mind.

\ Link
\\Yes, I'm a history nerd.
 
2012-10-29 11:47:20 AM  
He must have just started playing Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Wait 'till he gets to the part where FEMA is really just a pawn of the liberal media! His head just might explode! Poof!
 
2012-10-29 11:50:08 AM  

coeyagi: authorizeduser: Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?

Short answer: Haiti.

Long Answer: Your mom.

Longer Answer: Seriously, just go to Freepland if you want to drop this crap. FEMA may be far from perfect, but to argue that it would be better if every state had a smaller budget for disaster relief and not be able to pool their resources as easily.... is retarded.


might as well do away with the defense dept too if you follow that logic. but the GOP love defense spending.
 
2012-10-29 11:51:57 AM  
I love this guy

Gut agencies and get rid of them

Start with Dept of Ed - illegal, unconstitutional and a freaking propaganda wargharble pipeline. Then ex-communicate Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi for crimes against Nature then move on to neutering Hillary and Bill.

Finish by bringing Obama to trial for Treason for arranging Amb. Stevens toi be kidnapped and traded as a hostage for the blind sheik.

Oh, yeah
 
2012-10-29 11:52:34 AM  
The conservative's mind set places great value on stubborn consistency over flexibility to change due to updated information.

This is a result of intellectual laziness, and unfortunately is becoming very popular among the electorate, so politicians take advantage.

Idiocracy, indeed.
 
2012-10-29 11:52:52 AM  
www.peacebuttons.info
Oliver North questioned during the Iran Contra hearings, concerning the REX 84 plan, a FEMA plan devised to facilitate the suspension of the US constitution, ostensibly during a time of federal emergency. Democrat Representative Jack Brooks questions North, to North's obvious displeasure, and also the displeasure of Committee Chairman Daniel Inouye, and possibly some other, obviously disturbed committee members. Inouye squelches the question as a matter of national security. North was thus never required to answer this question.

FEMA plans to suspend Constitution 

/BTW...Defense Resource Act which FEMA attempted, was made law by executive order in March 2012 by President Obama
 
2012-10-29 11:54:02 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's still better than Paul Ryan's plan of just allowing survival of the fittest during disasters in order to thin out the population.


That's only if it's an illegitimate disaster.
 
2012-10-29 11:55:16 AM  
FEMA, eh?

Today's Fark kos tab outrage du jour

Straws. Grasping. Desperate.
 
2012-10-29 11:55:30 AM  

dready zim: A capitalist will sell you the rope you will use to hang them.


How much do you pay per semester to attend the obscure hipster college where they taught you that quote?
 
2012-10-29 11:57:03 AM  
monoski Smartest
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2012-10-29 11:10:40 AM


karnal: In hindsight, money should have been spent to strengthen the New Orleans levees before Katrina. President Clinton should have done it. Presidents Bush the First and Reagan should have done it.
1927 was the last time the city of New Orleans did any improvements on the levee system.

New Orleans had in place evacuations processes that were set to help people fend for themselves. These processes failed to take into account the demographics of the city of New Orleans.

Not to mention then the white police force shot several minorities looters who were trying to evacuate steal televisions and liquor (or in the police force view just trying to loot out where the white people love)


FTFY 

They Shoot Looters, Don't They?
 
2012-10-29 11:57:39 AM  

Hunter_S_Thompson:
Are you dense? Do you not understand the difference between people who are lifelong welfare/assistance recipients solely because it enables them live without care and government providing basic infrastructure (as it should)?


I am not making this up. ...


I see that you live in Illinois, which is one of the 40 states with time limits on how long you can receive welfare. There is a lifetime limit of 60 months. Most states (and I'm not sure about Illinois on this point) also have limits that don't let you stay on the welfare rolls continuously, for example Rhode Island limits welfre to a maximum of 24 months within any 60 month period.

In theory its possible for people to move from state to state to get around this, but in practice people that poor aren't all that likely to do so. They're barely feeding themselves.

While we're poking holes in your myths about welfare, how about the whole "why work? free money!" meme..

Welfare pays very, very little money. Here's an example, a woman with one child, who receives $584 a month. That's less than $20 a day. Even if you add in food stamps ($8.72 a day for two people), that's not exactly living high on the hog. Work a minimum wage job just two full days a week, toss in the earned income tax credit, and you're making more money (and still qualify for food stamps).

I've known people on welfare. All but one were on it for less than a year, the one exception was a single mother who was on it for two years while going to a trade school. Every single one had an unexpected event that put them in a bad situation (death of the family breadwinner, fleeing an abusive spouse, .hit 18 and kicked out of foster care with no resources, etc)

If you think $20 a day is enough to pay for rent, clothes, utilities, transportation, and have enough left over for booze or drugs, you're just delusional.

So, you're delusional. And a liar.
 
2012-10-29 11:58:53 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: FEMA, eh?

Today's Fark kos tab outrage du jour. 

Straws. Grasping. Desperate.


Weren't all of Barney Fife's bullets wasted?
 
2012-10-29 11:59:12 AM  

karnal: monoski Smartest
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2012-10-29 11:10:40 AM


karnal: In hindsight, money should have been spent to strengthen the New Orleans levees before Katrina. President Clinton should have done it. Presidents Bush the First and Reagan should have done it.
1927 was the last time the city of New Orleans did any improvements on the levee system.

New Orleans had in place evacuations processes that were set to help people fend for themselves. These processes failed to take into account the demographics of the city of New Orleans.

Not to mention then the white police force shot several minorities looters who were trying to evacuate steal televisions and liquor (or in the police force view just trying to loot out where the white people love)


FTFY 

They Shoot Looters, Don't They?


I suggest that you Google the words "Danziger Bridge".
 
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