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2012-10-29 09:54:38 AM  
Block grants. The answer to everything.
 
2012-10-29 09:54:56 AM  

Erix: Cletus C.: Wait a minute. I thought the president got the blame for natural disasters. Now it's the guy running against the president?

Yes, that is exactly what is happening. Everyone is blaming Romney for a natural disaster. You sure are perceptive.


Perhaps he means Romney's mouth, as opposed to the trifling storm?
 
2012-10-29 09:55:00 AM  

Dr Dreidel: stoli n coke: ghare: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!

Funny thing is, FEMA operations have gone pretty smooth in this administration, just like they did during Clinton and Bush I.

The only time they really hit a snag was when Dubya put the Horse Whisperer in charge.

OKC (the Murrah building), WTC in '93 (credit to HW Bush for that one - Clinton had been in office about a month), the hurricanes/blizzards in '96, 9/11 (again, some credit to Clinton for that) - FEMA got high marks for all of those.

Michael Brown had been running FEMA for 2.5 years by time Katrina farked up the Gulf Coast.


I'm not saying he didn't do a great job running Emergency Management when there were very few if any emergencies to respond to.
 
2012-10-29 09:55:19 AM  
It's almost like God is trying to point out how bad a choice Romney is.
 
2012-10-29 09:55:45 AM  

MonkeyAngst: Can't we just sell off the hipsters?


That's a deal! Think Mexico will give us $5.49/lb (the price for Boar's Head American Cheese at our local deli counter) for them? That works out to about 20 bucks per skinny hipster in girl jeans and 1950s glasses.
 
2012-10-29 09:56:00 AM  

ghare: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

What can you expect from a moron who thinks there are mountains in Florida??


You've obviously never been in Florida. There are gradual inclines here that go all the way up to 40-50ft high. The mountains of Clermont are a wonder to behold.
 
2012-10-29 09:56:17 AM  
Carn
karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.



The state level would be less top heavy....less corrupt (unless you are from Virginia). FEMA has historically been slow to act - Red Cross and the National Guard would have a better reponse time and in most incidences, FEMA has complicated relief efforts instead of providing help.
 
2012-10-29 09:57:50 AM  

MayoSlather: Carn: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.

Exactly. Most state governments are run far worse than the federal government. States are no magic haven of perfect government. It's funny when you ask many republicans about what is so bad about allowing the federal government to run services they'll point to how miserable their local DMV is.


Yep. My mom had a job for several years working directly for the state government and some of the stories were just ridiculous. Local governments tend to be more corrupt too because there's hardly any oversight.
 
2012-10-29 09:58:39 AM  
I wish somebody would do something about all the problems.
 
2012-10-29 10:01:12 AM  
www.freestaterevolution.com
 
2012-10-29 10:01:44 AM  

doubled99: vpb Smartest
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2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM


Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.

...and those who can't imagine life without government assistance will continue to slurp and derp.


Slurp and derp down paved roads, with a police force protecting the motorway from speeders and reckless drivers, vehicle regs so my car doesn't explode in a fender bender, gasoline regs so my fuel has what it is advertised to have in it, insurance laws so I don't get ripped off on deductibles in case of a wreck or break down....

I think I've shat on your derp sufficiently now, internet libertarian.
 
2012-10-29 10:02:19 AM  
Romney makes Guiliani look good.  And that's before the nice dress, wig, and makeup.
 
2012-10-29 10:02:41 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.


unskewedforecast.com???
 
2012-10-29 10:03:03 AM  
Will Cain on CNN just lied that Romney didn't say he was either going to turn FEMA over to states or privatize it.
 
2012-10-29 10:04:25 AM  

coeyagi: Will Cain on CNN just lied that Romney didn't say he was either going to turn FEMA over to states or privatize it.


But, but the liberal media!!!
 
2012-10-29 10:04:55 AM  
If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.
 
2012-10-29 10:05:13 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: This is the sort of world people like Romney want to create - you get the protection you pay for. If you can't afford it, sucks to be you.


Just wanted to quote this...
 
2012-10-29 10:06:34 AM  

ham-operator: [www.freestaterevolution.com image 572x792]


freestaterevolution.com.

Yes, yes, let's hear what the wackers and preppers have to say about this situation.

Said no one, ever, anywhere.
 
2012-10-29 10:06:34 AM  
As pre-insane Dennis Miller put it about abortion: "You want to states to decide? The states can't pave the farking ROADS."

Romney's derp is GOP Governing 101. Here in PA the GOP governor and GOP-controlled House and Senate slashed school funding, leading to 20,000 teachers being fired, test scores cratering and local property taxes going through the roof. But, it was all good, because the legislature got to run campaign ads bragging they didn't vote to raise taxes.

Instead of providing an actual government service like disaster relief Romney and his ilk want to just let the states handle it -- the same states run by governors and legislatures who would watch their own mother get dragged off by Slayer's road crew if calling 911 meant getting a stern look from Grover Norquist. If I may repeat myself from earlier today here, if it was up to them the rescue helicopters would drop credit card swipers down to people stranded on rooftops before agreeing to lower a rescue basket, and no, we don't take farking *Discover*.
 
2012-10-29 10:06:48 AM  

star_topology: So he's against the Dept of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act now?

This will go over well.


I think Romney considers these two items as part of the market research department of the Government Inc.
 
2012-10-29 10:08:25 AM  

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


Romney will keep his answer ambivalent so he won't sound like he is backtracking when he backtracks.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 10:09:12 AM  
He has to double down before someone pays him to change his mind.

It's a constant pattern.

Government by bid... you'll have it completely in a Romney presidency.
 
2012-10-29 10:09:25 AM  
We had a very interesting conversation in the other thread about Sandy. Originally I was thinking it's possible for the states to coordinate their own disaster relief and I think in some cases that is true but when something truly major hits the combined resources of the non-affected states is an excellent thing to have. Farkers made some excellent points I had not considered.

I believe Romney is wrong on this one.
 
2012-10-29 10:09:42 AM  

Cataholic: So we have a headline from a crappy blog claiming he is doubling down...and one from huffpo using the exact same statement to say he is flip-flopping. Which is it?


That is the problem with Romney, isn't it? Even his lies are untetherable. Is his current lie a continuation of a previous lie, or a contradiction of a previous lie? Who knows. They're so etch-a-sketchy.
 
2012-10-29 10:09:46 AM  
If'n you didn't want your house to be flooded, you shouldn'tve built it in front of God's hurricane
 
2012-10-29 10:09:50 AM  

way south: If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.


Besides if your area suffers catastrophic loss you should just borrow the money from your parents. This is how Mittens thinks
 
2012-10-29 10:10:11 AM  
It'll be OK. If anyone survives, that means they were saved by God. Whoever died, it was because they were godless homosexuals. Or Democrats.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 10:10:13 AM  

verbaltoxin: coeyagi: Will Cain on CNN just lied that Romney didn't say he was either going to turn FEMA over to states or privatize it.

But, but the liberal media!!!


Will Cain... on the shortlist for "Most Punchable Douchebag 2012".
 
2012-10-29 10:10:29 AM  

karnal: The state level would be less top heavy....less corrupt (unless you are from Virginia). FEMA has historically been slow to act - Red Cross and the National Guard would have a better reponse time and in most incidences, FEMA has complicated relief efforts instead of providing help.


Sorry to be that guy, but... citation needed.

Or just look Dr Dreidel's list.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 10:11:21 AM  
t3.gstatic.com

I'm a pacifist and I want to kick that smirk off his face!
 
2012-10-29 10:11:51 AM  
Yeah, lets give everyone a $2000 debit card after Sandy passes through. That way they can buy important stuff, like drugs, beer, booze and Viagra.

And lets not forget formaldehyde enriched travel trailers for everyone to live in.

/was in Mississippi after Katrina helping with comm systems restoration.
//Wal-Mart had a temporary pharmacy set up under tent. Everyone was biatching they had no Viagra. Just unnecessary stuff like antibiotics, blood pressure medications, insulin, etc.
 
2012-10-29 10:12:58 AM  
At this point I can't help but think Romney is deliberately trying to fark his own campaign.

If he's not, then his level of stupidity and incompetence is beyond what I initially imagined.
 
2012-10-29 10:13:04 AM  

ghare: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

What can you expect from a moron who thinks there are mountains in Florida??


There is - I've seen it - Space Mountain is in Florida!
 
2012-10-29 10:13:23 AM  
What a dumbass. Block grant to the states? We already give the states annual block grants for emergency preparedness. Some of the states do a good job with the money. Others essentially waste it. All of them scream for FEMA whenever anything happens.

Maybe Mittens should privatize FEMA and rename it the 1%EMA. 47% need not apply.
 
2012-10-29 10:13:25 AM  

stoli n coke: OKC (the Murrah building), WTC in '93 (credit to HW Bush for that one - Clinton had been in office about a month), the hurricanes/blizzards in '96, 9/11 (again, some credit to Clinton for that) - FEMA got high marks for all of those.

Michael Brown had been running FEMA for 2.5 years by time Katrina farked up the Gulf Coast.

I'm not saying he didn't do a great job running Emergency Management when there were very few if any emergencies to respond to.


I'm agreeing.

Until Katrina, FEMA was the golden boy who could do no (or very little) wrong. After Katrina, instead of people placing the blame - rightfully - on Brown and Bush (for waiting days to declare the emergency, by not having FEMA ready to go when the declaration happened), they blamed FEMA, though they do deserve blame for some of the stupid things - like the debit cards - they did in the recovery.

How about the tornadoes from last year? FEMA got high marks for that, too.

// Katrina is, I believe, the worst mismanagement of an American disaster/recovery since FEMA's inception
// worked for FEMA in DC during Katrina
 
2012-10-29 10:13:49 AM  

karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.


It should be handled by the states who lack the resources and request federal assistance by declaring a disaster. Those states? Massachusetts (or Rhode Island) has plenty of resources to handle a storm that will...devastate all their resources. derp.

No need to pull them from places that have unused emergency resources. Heck that's why the human body heals locally with no help from the rest of the organism. Haven't you ever smashed your thumb flat with a hammer? It self heals like a starfish.

Besides FEMA should be able to do everything perfectly when we give them a shoestring budget. Budget cuts always make an organization work better. That's why republicans always scream so loudly to get the military budget cut.
 
2012-10-29 10:14:19 AM  
FTA:
"Gov. Romney wants to ensure states, who are the first responders and are in the best position to aid impacted individuals and communities, have the resources and assistance they need to cope with natural disasters," the Romney official said.

This is the exact kind of bullshiat statement that we have come to expect from Romney. This statement can easily be spun later to suggest that Romney thinks FEMA is a great resource to help the states cope with natural disasters.
Would some one please pin this guy down with some direct yes/no answers. 

However, at the end of the day, when anyone biatches about how Obama handles Sandy, they need to throw Romney's quote out there.

The more stupid thing is that Obama is going to handle the situation in a great way, and the Republicans will actually biatch that the Federal Governmnet (which is made up exclusively of OBAMA) should not have gotten involved.

The fact that most of the impacted states will probably vote for Obama anyways will just give the darking republicans more ammunition to say stupid crap like "Obama is using FEMA to buy the election."

Mark my words, that will be the new talking point by the end of the week.
 
2012-10-29 10:14:46 AM  
You know the kool-aid drinkers will still vote for Romney, but this is going to sink him among the remaining undecided voters. This was a very bad calculation for the Romney campaign.
 
2012-10-29 10:14:55 AM  

jayhawk88: Nevermind the merits for now, I'd be happy to just know what exactly the argument is?


Making vaguely negative-sounding grunts in the general direction of the Federal government.

/srsly
//it's their argument against most things
///about half the country seem to be neoconfederates
 
2012-10-29 10:15:31 AM  

d23: verbaltoxin: coeyagi: Will Cain on CNN just lied that Romney didn't say he was either going to turn FEMA over to states or privatize it.

But, but the liberal media!!!

Will Cain... on the shortlist for "Most Punchable Douchebag 2012".


He looked like such a tool, L.Z. Granderson was about to reach through the thousands of miles of cable to strangle that sonofabiatch.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 10:15:32 AM  

JackieRabbit: What a dumbass. Block grant to the states? We already give the states annual block grants for emergency preparedness. Some of the states do a good job with the money. Others essentially waste it. All of them scream for FEMA whenever anything happens.

Maybe Mittens should privatize FEMA and rename it the 1%EMA. 47% need not apply.


Block grants. A great way to funnel money to corporate buddies on the state level.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 10:16:32 AM  

GoldSpider: You know the kool-aid drinkers will still vote for Romney, but this is going to sink him among the remaining undecided voters. This was a very bad calculation for the Romney campaign.


HUH? You mean they had a weather machine all along and decided to turn it on NOW? Yeah.. that's a REALLY BAD calculation.

LOLZ
 
2012-10-29 10:16:56 AM  
There may be a better way of handling disasters than FEMA.

In particular, I seem to recall that FEMA has no influence in preparing for disasters, only in leaping into action after the disaster has occurred.
 
2012-10-29 10:17:29 AM  

IlGreven: If you're gonna give states as much power as Republicans want, you might as well make them sovereign, with passports needed to cross borders and everything.


Ug. You'd better scream JINKS!...
 
2012-10-29 10:17:54 AM  
As far as states handling their own disaster relief, Florida does a real bang up job. A model for the rest of the country to look up to.

So yes, States can do a good job of handling it without FEMA.
 
2012-10-29 10:18:11 AM  

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


Uhhh... which one would you prefer it to be?
 
2012-10-29 10:19:14 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's still better than Paul Ryan's plan of just allowing survival of the fittest during disasters in order to thin out the population.


To make room for all the rape babies.
 
2012-10-29 10:19:32 AM  

sodomizer: There may be a better way of handling disasters than FEMA.

In particular, I seem to recall that FEMA has no influence in preparing for disasters, only in leaping into action after the disaster has occurred.


Your recall is incorrect.
 
2012-10-29 10:19:52 AM  

verbaltoxin:
Relaying storm spotter reports is just like being put into the Marine Corps and deployed to Vietnam.


So, it's your opinion that I should be able to abduct black people and force them to pick apples? Because picking apples is not as bad as picking cotton, and they get fed better than before the civil war, and I don't beat them with whips or rape their children, so it's really not slavery 'cause it's not like being a slave....
 
2012-10-29 10:20:11 AM  

utharda: FLMountainMan: CSB: My only personal experience with FEMA was awful. A year ago, my mom's cabin (a second home) on the Sopchoppy River was flooded. So, my now-wife and I go down there and clean it up. As we're wrapping it up for the day, the FEMA guys come by. They ask if we need help, I explain that it's my mom's second home, we're fine, and go find someone who really needs help (we'd been interrupted about every half-hour by "aid" workers, whose "aid" consisted of taking down pages and pages ofinformation as they sat inside their air conditioned car, so I was pretty terse.) They ask if we'll take a ruined mattress off the pile of debris and put it back on so they can photograph the "cleanup". My wife rolls her eyes, but we do it.
I shiat you not - as we lift it back on, two of the FEMA guys swoop in, "help" us lift, and the camera clicks. Unfarking believable. I smirk and ask if the "dog and pony show is finished." They ask if we'll do a fifteen minute interview about how the storm affected us. I again explain it's my mom's second home, we're going to be fine, surely someone else is more deserving. The farking guy actually says that I don't need to mention the "second home" part. I ended it there.
Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.

FLMountainMan: CSB: My only personal experience with FEMA was awful. A year ago, my mom's cabin (a second home) on the Sopchoppy River was flooded. So, my now-wife and I go down there and clean it up. As we're wrapping it up for the day, the FEMA guys come by. They ask if we need help, I explain that it's my mom's second home, we're fine, and go find someone who really needs help (we'd been interrupted about every half-hour by "aid" workers, whose "aid" consisted of taking down pages and pages ofinformation as they sat inside their air conditioned car, so I was pretty terse.) They ask if we'll take a ruined mattress off the pile of debris and put it back on so they can photograph the "cleanup". My wife rolls her eyes, but we do it.
I shiat you not - as we lift it back on, two of the FEMA guys swoop in, "help" us lift, and the camera clicks. Unfarking believable. I smirk and ask if the "dog and pony show is finished." They ask if we'll do a fifteen minute interview about how the storm affected us. I again explain it's my mom's second home, we're going to be fine, surely someone else is more deserving. The farking guy actually says that I don't need to mention the "second home" part. I ended it there.
Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.

Remember, they're coming off Heck of a job Brownie. They're bound to be a little desperate.


That comment was so stupid. I live in a place that floods about every year and they have to have photographs of damage and descriptions to provide aid. That old joke about "I'm from the government, I'm here to help" isn't as funny when everything you own is on the curb and covered in flood mud and the stores are out of safe drinking water. Or when you're trapped on a roof waiting for someone to bring a boat out to rescue you.

FEMA helps a lot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u_rH184caI&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFGYWBxMkdI

/ignore the toddler and racially insensitive name for my grandfather
//yes, it is a bad location for a town, but I believe it was exasperated by changes to connected waterways, and they're working on rebuilding the entire city higher, it just got stalled by the recession gutting funds
 
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