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2012-10-29 09:33:26 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.


I remember reading a story once about wildfires in California where a neighborhood was being evacuated. A guy watched as a company pulled up to his neighbors' McMansion, had a moving crew walked in and started removing boxes with their precious things, another crew started spraying down the exterior of the home with a fire-resistant foam, and a driver whisked the family away. It turns out they had a subscription to a sort of natural disaster insurance which takes care of you in that sort of event: moving your treasured belongings to storage, putting you up in a 5 star hotel, and battening down the hatches on your home.

This is the sort of world people like Romney want to create - you get the protection you pay for. If you can't afford it, sucks to be you.
 
2012-10-29 09:33:53 AM  

star_topology: Somewhat serious question, would Rhode Island be the most efficient state in terms of disaster recovery (Less ground to cover)? But what about funding? I know jack-shiat about the Rhode Island economy, but I'd be interested in how "Leave it to the state" would work for RI versus a state like... I dunno... New York.


The problem is that a State like Rhode Island could fairly easily have the entire State hit by the same natural disaster. You also have problems when a State has one city or area with most of the population and resources of the state concentrated in it. Illinois would be utterly farked if it had to deal with a major disaster striking the Chicago area if left only to the resources of the State.
 
2012-10-29 09:33:59 AM  
Frankly, he has nothing to lose by sticking to the anti-FEMA stance right now. The storm is mostly going to hit NY, NJ, Connecticut, and Eastern PA -- it's not like it's going to swing the election.
 
2012-10-29 09:34:22 AM  

jayhawk88: Brostorm: jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?

That is still federal money and more importantly some states subsidizing others. He cant win this argument.

Nevermind the merits for now, I'd be happy to just know what exactly the argument is?


So would Romney.

He's arguing both - that we should eliminate FEMA and the spending that goes with it, but then recreate FEMA spending independently via block grants to states which makes no farking sense at all because disasters don't hit on a normal distribution every year.
 
2012-10-29 09:34:23 AM  

js34603: What a colossally stupid thing to say on the eve of a natural disaster.


Well he did make the the Lybian Embassy issue a political one the same day the Americans were killed. Couldn't even wait a day out of respect for the deceased.
 
2012-10-29 09:35:10 AM  
You know if we sell off our low end performers, maybe we could but a trendy upstart like Alberta.
 
2012-10-29 09:35:13 AM  
Besides Alabama and Mississippi can just borrow money from their parents.

Or Mississippi can sell of redundant letters. Welcome to Mispi
 
2012-10-29 09:35:22 AM  

FLMountainMan: Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.


Ugh. Sounds awful. Although I'm not at all sure a private relief agency would have acted differently if they saw a quick PR opportunity as well.
 
2012-10-29 09:36:14 AM  

js34603: What a colossally stupid thing to say on the eve of a natural disaster.


Colossally stupid is as colossally stupid does.
 
2012-10-29 09:37:08 AM  
FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.
 
2012-10-29 09:37:55 AM  

Cythraul: FTA: should either no longer be guaranteed and/or the agency disbanded and left to individual states to handle FEMA's responsibilities.

Sucks to be you, poor states (yes, I know I'm in one).


Y'know, for all their crying about how bad the European Union is, Republicans sure want to make the USA one.

If you're gonna give states as much power as Republicans want, you might as well make them sovereign, with passports needed to cross borders and everything.
 
2012-10-29 09:37:58 AM  

Arkanaut: Frankly, he has nothing to lose by sticking to the anti-FEMA stance right now. The storm is mostly going to hit NY, NJ, Connecticut, and Eastern PA -- it's not like it's going to swing the election.


I think it's because there are only 9 days until the election, and if you don't have your mind made up now, you probably have trouble with reading above a 2nd grade level.
 
2012-10-29 09:37:58 AM  

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2012-10-29 09:38:03 AM  

js34603: What a colossally stupid thing to say on the eve of a natural disaster.


Seriously. Even if you do agree with all of his policies, you kind of have to wonder if he just doesn't think about how people will react to the things he says?

Dear Republicans and all politicians: Employ at least one non-robot, brown (any race), female person who can review things before you say them. And when in doubt, keep your mouth shut.
 
2012-10-29 09:38:56 AM  

Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


If we got rid of every state that gets more federal money than it gives in taxes I'd be fine with that. The Rs would never win another election.
 
2012-10-29 09:39:37 AM  

karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.


Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!
 
2012-10-29 09:40:42 AM  

karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.


So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.
 
2012-10-29 09:41:30 AM  
SANDY WILL BE ROMNEY'S KATRINA

\sorry, couldn't resist
 
2012-10-29 09:41:31 AM  
Wi8ll Romney have the guts to tour the devastated areas telling the people there in person "Fark you, you should be on your farking own. If I'm elected I won't lift a finger to assist you in the slightest. Farking takers like you are what's killing this country."
 
2012-10-29 09:42:00 AM  
Devolving government services and enforcement of civil rights down to the local level if a fantasy solution of the right wing.

If an area is lacking in such then "those people" who are smart enough will be forced to move away and the "quality" of the area will shoot up, while "those people" who do remain are giving their consent to be exploited.

Ethnic cleansing through local politics and getting outside areas left holding the bag.
 
2012-10-29 09:42:15 AM  

sprawl15: jayhawk88: Brostorm: jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?

That is still federal money and more importantly some states subsidizing others. He cant win this argument.

Nevermind the merits for now, I'd be happy to just know what exactly the argument is?

So would Romney.

He's arguing both - that we should eliminate FEMA and the spending that goes with it, but then recreate FEMA spending independently via block grants to states which makes no farking sense at all because disasters don't hit on a normal distribution every year.


Can't you just see it? Giant thunderstorm tears through Kansas/Oklahoma, hitting both OKC and Wichita.

"Oklahoma, how are your relief efforts coming?"
"Well pretty good, we have shelters setup for those people who have damaged homes, extra food and water are being trucked in, and crews are working to restore power throughout the city."
"Excellent. Kansas?"
"Uh....we hadn't had a major tornado for several years, so we spent all our disaster money on a Creationism Museum. We...kind of have a few thousand people with nowhere to sleep tonight."
 
2012-10-29 09:42:17 AM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: If we got rid of every state that gets more federal money than it gives in taxes I'd be fine with that. The Rs would never win another election.


I keep hearing how the nation needs to be run more like a company. Any good company needs to know when you cut an unprofitable division that seems unlikely to make any profit in the future. Alabama is the Zune of America.
 
2012-10-29 09:42:21 AM  
Imagine the logistical nightmare of the fifteen or so states about to be hit each with their own organization and beurocracy trying to deal with this and coordinate efforts. I thought conservatives were supposedly all about efficiency.

Also imagine West Virginia trying to pay for disaster response out of their own pocket.
 
2012-10-29 09:42:40 AM  
Remember when natural disasters were on that short list of things that didn't get politicized and cynically used for personal gain? Yeah you can thank George W. Bush for ruining that too.
 
2012-10-29 09:42:57 AM  
When New Orleans/Louisiana/Mississippi went through Katrina, one of the key aspects of FEMA coming into play was the order by the President (too late perhaps) to mobilize the National Guard of neighboring states, "Federalize" them and dispatch them to the hardest hit areas to help out.

Good luck to the Gov of (insert state name here), ordering a Nat'l Guard unit from another state to assist with disaster control.
 
2012-10-29 09:43:00 AM  

ghare: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!


If the RNC headquarters loses power and can't send out the daily "fact sheet" it'll leave them untethered to the mothership. I wonder if they'll even be able to feed themselves.
 
2012-10-29 09:43:20 AM  
Actually since I have a radio operator's license I can be conscripted into the disaster recovery service, so why do we need FEMA?

Yes, it's a draft that's not called a draft.
 
2012-10-29 09:43:33 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.


The Free Market will be more than happy to fix your house after the storm. Just sell it to them for pennies on the dollar, then sign a lease at a rate higher than what your mortgage was.
 
2012-10-29 09:43:57 AM  

ghare: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!


Funny thing is, FEMA operations have gone pretty smooth in this administration, just like they did during Clinton and Bush I.

The only time they really hit a snag was when Dubya put the Horse Whisperer in charge.
 
2012-10-29 09:44:16 AM  
Wait a minute. I thought the president got the blame for natural disasters. Now it's the guy running against the president?
 
2012-10-29 09:45:02 AM  

Carn: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.


Well everyone knows the way to make a bureaucracy more efficient is to give it access to more money.
 
2012-10-29 09:45:46 AM  

bluefoxicy: Actually since I have a radio operator's license I can be conscripted into the disaster recovery service, so why do we need FEMA?

Yes, it's a draft that's not called a draft.


Relaying storm spotter reports is just like being put into the Marine Corps and deployed to Vietnam.
 
2012-10-29 09:45:48 AM  
Seriously. Even if you do agree with all of his policies, you kind of have to wonder if he just doesn't think about how people will react to the things he says?

who cares? Americans have an attention span of about a week and a half. He knows he can just say the opposite next week and people will think he's showing leadership.
 
2012-10-29 09:46:10 AM  

Cletus C.: Wait a minute. I thought the president got the blame for natural disasters. Now it's the guy running against the president?


Your reading comprehension sucks (duh!). Romney is being blamed for his need to lie on every single issue, whether or not lying is even needed.
 
2012-10-29 09:48:05 AM  

Carn: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.


Exactly. Most state governments are run far worse than the federal government. States are no magic haven of perfect government. It's funny when you ask many republicans about what is so bad about allowing the federal government to run services they'll point to how miserable their local DMV is.
 
2012-10-29 09:48:17 AM  
FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican
 
2012-10-29 09:49:30 AM  

stoli n coke: ghare: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!

Funny thing is, FEMA operations have gone pretty smooth in this administration, just like they did during Clinton and Bush I.

The only time they really hit a snag was when Dubya put the Horse Whisperer in charge.


OKC (the Murrah building), WTC in '93 (credit to HW Bush for that one - Clinton had been in office about a month), the hurricanes/blizzards in '96, 9/11 (again, some credit to Clinton for that) - FEMA got high marks for all of those.

Michael Brown had been running FEMA for 2.5 years by time Katrina farked up the Gulf Coast.
 
2012-10-29 09:49:43 AM  

NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican


What can you expect from a moron who thinks there are mountains in Florida??
 
2012-10-29 09:49:44 AM  

lawboy87: When New Orleans/Louisiana/Mississippi went through Katrina, one of the key aspects of FEMA coming into play was the order by the President (too late perhaps) to mobilize the National Guard of neighboring states, "Federalize" them and dispatch them to the hardest hit areas to help out.

Good luck to the Gov of (insert state name here), ordering a Nat'l Guard unit from another state to assist with disaster control.


And good luck trying to coordinate not only all of the agencies in your own state, but also coordinating with state agencies of adjacent states. It's logistically impossible, especially during an emergency.
 
2012-10-29 09:49:44 AM  

The Decider: Seriously. Even if you do agree with all of his policies, you kind of have to wonder if he just doesn't think about how people will react to the things he says?

who cares? Americans have an attention span of about a week and a half. He knows he can just say the opposite next week and people will think he's showing leadership.


Week and a half attention span isn't going to help him when the election is a week and a day away.
 
2012-10-29 09:49:55 AM  

HairBolus: Devolving government services and enforcement of civil rights down to the local level if a fantasy solution of the right wing.

If an area is lacking in such then "those people" who are smart enough will be forced to move away and the "quality" of the area will shoot up, while "those people" who do remain are giving their consent to be exploited.

Ethnic cleansing through local politics and getting outside areas left holding the bag.


Forgot to mention that Katrina was regarded by many righties as a blessing in disguise because it was a "natural" form of urban renewal - flushing away the housing of poor people would allow shiny new development.
 
2012-10-29 09:49:57 AM  

Cletus C.: Wait a minute. I thought the president got the blame for natural disasters. Now it's the guy running against the president?


Yes, that is exactly what is happening. Everyone is blaming Romney for a natural disaster. You sure are perceptive.
 
2012-10-29 09:50:33 AM  

Cletus C.: Wait a minute. I thought the president got the blame for natural disasters. Now it's the guy running against the president?


Is that what you got from this?

Republicans are still whining about Katrina.
 
2012-10-29 09:50:37 AM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: ghare: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!

If the RNC headquarters loses power and can't send out the daily "fact sheet" it'll leave them untethered to the mothership. I wonder if they'll even be able to feed themselves.


oo that would be a jolly hack to change the derping list of the day. anchorman moments all over the tubes for a day hahaha!
 
2012-10-29 09:51:14 AM  

The Decider: Americans have an attention span of about a week and a half


Really? A whole week and a... SQUIRREL!
 
2012-10-29 09:51:29 AM  

The Decider: Americans have an attention span of about a week and a half


Far too generous.
 
2012-10-29 09:51:33 AM  

jayhawk88: sprawl15: jayhawk88: Brostorm: jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?

That is still federal money and more importantly some states subsidizing others. He cant win this argument.

Nevermind the merits for now, I'd be happy to just know what exactly the argument is?

So would Romney.

He's arguing both - that we should eliminate FEMA and the spending that goes with it, but then recreate FEMA spending independently via block grants to states which makes no farking sense at all because disasters don't hit on a normal distribution every year.

Can't you just see it? Giant thunderstorm tears through Kansas/Oklahoma, hitting both OKC and Wichita.

"Oklahoma, how are your relief efforts coming?"
"Well pretty good, we have shelters setup for those people who have damaged homes, extra food and water are being trucked in, and crews are working to restore power throughout the city."
"Excellent. Kansas?"
"Uh....we hadn't had a major tornado for several years, so we spent all our disaster money on a Creationism Museum. We...kind of have a few thousand people with nowhere to sleep tonight."


On the one hand, it would be a tragedy.

On the other hand, it would be a farking hilarious tragedy.
 
2012-10-29 09:52:36 AM  

HairBolus: Forgot to mention that Katrina was regarded by many righties as a blessing in disguise because it was a "natural" form of urban renewal - flushing away the housing of poor people would allow shiny new development.


Which is hilarious in itself, for what does the ninth ward look like these days?
 
2012-10-29 09:53:13 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Wi8ll Romney have the guts to tour the devastated areas telling the people there in person "Fark you, you should be on your farking own. If I'm elected I won't lift a finger to assist you in the slightest. Farking takers like you are what's killing this country."


All those Northeasterners were asking for it. They should have had the foresight to see that the region is rife for freak multi-faceted storms that pop up every century or so.

And even knowing that this is all their fault, they're still too lazy to call their parents and ask for money to rebuild their homes. Hell, just go live in your vacation house for awhile. It won't kill you. Farking poors.
 
2012-10-29 09:53:48 AM  
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2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM


Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.


...and those who can't imagine life without government assistance will continue to slurp and derp.
 
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