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2012-10-29 08:12:12 AM
Good luck with that.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM
Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.
 
2012-10-29 08:28:22 AM
FTA: should either no longer be guaranteed and/or the agency disbanded and left to individual states to handle FEMA's responsibilities.

Sucks to be you, poor states (yes, I know I'm in one).
 
2012-10-29 08:35:37 AM
Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.
 
2012-10-29 09:03:10 AM
Well, this certainly provides for the common defense and promotes the general welfare. It will secure the blessings of liberty, too...if we will just elect this great man!
 
2012-10-29 09:04:28 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.


As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.
 
2012-10-29 09:08:42 AM

Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.


Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?
 
2012-10-29 09:14:56 AM

Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


tcmmoviemorlocks.files.wordpress.com

CRIPPLE FIGHT! 
 
 
2012-10-29 09:16:29 AM
So he's against the Dept of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act now?

This will go over well.
 
2012-10-29 09:17:47 AM

Cythraul: Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


Why don't we just sell off the places full of useless hipsters, like Seattle and Austin?

Mexico might pay a lot for them.
 
2012-10-29 09:18:04 AM
So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?
 
2012-10-29 09:18:19 AM
It's still better than Paul Ryan's plan of just allowing survival of the fittest during disasters in order to thin out the population.
 
2012-10-29 09:18:21 AM
I'm sure many of the people affected by Sandy will still vote Romney though, because bald eagle, Jesus, and/or white back in the white house.
 
2012-10-29 09:18:28 AM

Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


Because we like to fight with our Alabamian cousins - before making sweet sweet love to them.

/married an Alabama girl
//not my cousin
 
2012-10-29 09:18:29 AM
Don't worry, once the storm passes and FEMA is shown to have mitigated the storm's effects, Romney will say he's always supported it and it was his idea in the first place.
 
2012-10-29 09:18:35 AM

star_topology: So he's against the Dept of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act now?

This will go over well.


Yes, both of which were created by Obama when he went to 2001 in his hot tub time machine.
 
2012-10-29 09:18:42 AM

Cythraul: Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


Because they're uneducated and poor?
 
2012-10-29 09:18:48 AM
Shutting down FEMA and shifting the responsibility to other agencies could work, and I could could also get a date with Christina Hendricks.
 
2012-10-29 09:19:06 AM
So we have a headline from a crappy blog claiming he is doubling down...and one from huffpo using the exact same statement to say he is flip-flopping. Which is it?
 
2012-10-29 09:19:19 AM

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


Yes.
 
2012-10-29 09:19:22 AM

sodomizer: Cythraul: Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?

Why don't we just sell off the places full of useless hipsters, like Seattle and Austin?

Mexico might pay a lot for them.


Hey, whoa, whoa. I like Austin. Can't we just sell off the hipsters?
 
2012-10-29 09:20:05 AM

Cataholic: So we have a headline from a crappy blog claiming he is doubling down...and one from huffpo using the exact same statement to say he is flip-flopping. Which is it?


Yes.
 
2012-10-29 09:20:31 AM

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


That is still federal money and more importantly some states subsidizing others. He cant win this argument.
 
2012-10-29 09:20:40 AM
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2012-10-29 09:21:18 AM
Major hurricane and potential national disaster a week before the election? There's a flip-flop for that.

Now all we need is Mittens taking credit for the FEMA response as president before election day, and blaming Obama for rising gas prices before the election.
 
2012-10-29 09:21:43 AM

Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.


Fark it, sell both.

But wait. that puts Louisiana at the bottom then. At least let me move first.
Think of the savings that we could earn by selling the mouth of the Mississippi to say, a shipping interest in Saudi Arabia and then leasing access back from them.
 
2012-10-29 09:22:37 AM
Wasn't the point of shutting down FEMA to save on federal spending? If you are just going to send blank checks to the states when an emergency happens anyway, what are you saving? WTF is the difference? Is it just me or has "block grants" become the new GOP/conservative golden fleece solution to every perceived problem at the federal level?

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2012-10-29 09:22:46 AM
Rmoney agrees with you.

Really
 
2012-10-29 09:22:58 AM

sodomizer: Cythraul: Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?

Why don't we just sell off the places full of useless hipsters, like Seattle and Austin?

Mexico might pay a lot for them.


Yea, Seattle and Austin are only two cities that routinely rank in the top ten of cities with the highest concentration of college degrees. Totally not good resources. At all.
 
2012-10-29 09:23:13 AM
Mitt should think a bit more about what he's saying.

Florida could not be the state it is without FEMA. FEMA helps run the NFIP, which has saved countless homes in Florida (and until the 2003 season, FL's NFIP ran in the black every year). Of course, most of Florida won't care about this - they'll happily vote Mitt without realizing that the only reason we have a flood insurance program at all - like health insurance for old people - is because the private market won't touch it.

Didn't Bobby Jindal's rise get slowed when he started coming out against federal disaster spending like 2 days before Mt Efrysfrandomuir*static*skyll (the one in Iceland) erupted? And like 2 years after half his economic base got wiped away due to poor state-level disaster planning?

Also, disaster planning/recovery is one of the things the Constitution specifically empowers the feds to do. Unless you think "defence" only refers to "people with guns and a mean glint in their eye".
 
2012-10-29 09:23:41 AM
What a colossally stupid thing to say on the eve of a natural disaster.
 
2012-10-29 09:24:40 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?

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CRIPPLE FIGHT!


We should consider giving them Arizona too...one, for the butthurt experienced by the Jan Brewer/Sheriff Joe appreciation society, and two, to keep all the 'tards in the same system...Arizona, Mississippi, and Louisiana, making the backward, racist, homophobic morons in the Arkansas legislature look like liberal rocket scientists whenever possible.
 
2012-10-29 09:25:42 AM

Brostorm: jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?

That is still federal money and more importantly some states subsidizing others. He cant win this argument.


Nevermind the merits for now, I'd be happy to just know what exactly the argument is?
 
2012-10-29 09:25:47 AM

wingnut396: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Fark it, sell both.

But wait. that puts Louisiana at the bottom then. At least let me move first.
Think of the savings that we could earn by selling the mouth of the Mississippi to say, a shipping interest in Saudi Arabia and then leasing access back from them.


MarketWatch.com, dated sometime in 2015:

"Bain Capital is pleased to announce it has formally acquired Mississippi from the United States. The Gulf coast is to be downsized and outsourced to India to decrease overhead costs, while the northern portion of the state will be shut down and parted out to Arkansas, Tennessee and Prince Edward Island, Canada."
 
2012-10-29 09:25:51 AM
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Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?
 
2012-10-29 09:26:07 AM

MonkeyAngst: sodomizer: Cythraul: Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?

Why don't we just sell off the places full of useless hipsters, like Seattle and Austin?

Mexico might pay a lot for them.

Hey, whoa, whoa. I like Austin. Can't we just sell off the hipsters?


The small. semninal Mexican Hipster industry just doesn't have the capacity to absorb that kind of volume.
 
2012-10-29 09:27:11 AM
It sounds like the perfect opportunity to private disaster relief and let a private equity firm make a lot of money, subsidized by the government.
 
2012-10-29 09:27:40 AM
CSB: My only personal experience with FEMA was awful. A year ago, my mom's cabin (a second home) on the Sopchoppy River was flooded. So, my now-wife and I go down there and clean it up. As we're wrapping it up for the day, the FEMA guys come by. They ask if we need help, I explain that it's my mom's second home, we're fine, and go find someone who really needs help (we'd been interrupted about every half-hour by "aid" workers, whose "aid" consisted of taking down pages and pages ofinformation as they sat inside their air conditioned car, so I was pretty terse.) They ask if we'll take a ruined mattress off the pile of debris and put it back on so they can photograph the "cleanup". My wife rolls her eyes, but we do it.
I shiat you not - as we lift it back on, two of the FEMA guys swoop in, "help" us lift, and the camera clicks. Unfarking believable. I smirk and ask if the "dog and pony show is finished." They ask if we'll do a fifteen minute interview about how the storm affected us. I again explain it's my mom's second home, we're going to be fine, surely someone else is more deserving. The farking guy actually says that I don't need to mention the "second home" part. I ended it there.
Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.
 
2012-10-29 09:27:56 AM
Romney to lose voters who want to be counted among those fark has made fun of for never having lived in a disaster area yet managing to not only get relief funds, but somehow have the case thrown out in court. Of course even if they just join those who wind up having to put the money back, they'll still get publicity.
 
2012-10-29 09:28:19 AM

Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.


You also have ole miss.
 
2012-10-29 09:28:43 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?


It's a liberal mainstream media conspiracy! We all know the GOP doesn't believe in things like "weather" so it can't really be happening. Also, if you look closely enough all of the 'storm footage' is clearly being generated on a sound stage in NV. Therefore the states can handle this with out interference from the government.
QED
 
2012-10-29 09:29:13 AM

vpb: Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.


When that day comes and they do manage to axe most federal support systems something will happen. How will their screams be answered? With looting, pillaging, riots and their oh so favorite word, rape. They will get a good lesson on the last. A good hard long terrible lesson.
 
2012-10-29 09:29:37 AM
Somewhat serious question, would Rhode Island be the most efficient state in terms of disaster recovery (Less ground to cover)? But what about funding? I know jack-shiat about the Rhode Island economy, but I'd be interested in how "Leave it to the state" would work for RI versus a state like... I dunno... New York.
 
2012-10-29 09:29:54 AM

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


Option B. The problem is, that's stupid, because you create redundancies in administration and capabilities, and get less disaster relief for your federal dollar. Often natural disasters cross state lines; good luck getting states to cooperate/share resources. He wouldn't do it, anyway; it's just a shibboleth to try to turn out the anti-gummint voter.
 
2012-10-29 09:30:07 AM
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2012-10-29 09:30:27 AM
FTA: "it's difficult to formulate national policy when you don't have your speaking schedule finalized for that day"

That's some funny stuff right there.
 
2012-10-29 09:30:50 AM
Gawd, I hope this story goes to the liberal media.
 
2012-10-29 09:32:02 AM

theknuckler_33: Wasn't the point of shutting down FEMA to save on federal spending? If you are just going to send blank checks to the states when an emergency happens anyway, what are you saving? WTF is the difference? Is it just me or has "block grants" become the new GOP/conservative golden fleece solution to every perceived problem at the federal level?

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Right, it's not about the money. It's really more about limiting the power of federal government agencies.
 
2012-10-29 09:32:10 AM

FLMountainMan: CSB: My only personal experience with FEMA was awful. A year ago, my mom's cabin (a second home) on the Sopchoppy River was flooded. So, my now-wife and I go down there and clean it up. As we're wrapping it up for the day, the FEMA guys come by. They ask if we need help, I explain that it's my mom's second home, we're fine, and go find someone who really needs help (we'd been interrupted about every half-hour by "aid" workers, whose "aid" consisted of taking down pages and pages ofinformation as they sat inside their air conditioned car, so I was pretty terse.) They ask if we'll take a ruined mattress off the pile of debris and put it back on so they can photograph the "cleanup". My wife rolls her eyes, but we do it.
I shiat you not - as we lift it back on, two of the FEMA guys swoop in, "help" us lift, and the camera clicks. Unfarking believable. I smirk and ask if the "dog and pony show is finished." They ask if we'll do a fifteen minute interview about how the storm affected us. I again explain it's my mom's second home, we're going to be fine, surely someone else is more deserving. The farking guy actually says that I don't need to mention the "second home" part. I ended it there.
Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.


FLMountainMan: CSB: My only personal experience with FEMA was awful. A year ago, my mom's cabin (a second home) on the Sopchoppy River was flooded. So, my now-wife and I go down there and clean it up. As we're wrapping it up for the day, the FEMA guys come by. They ask if we need help, I explain that it's my mom's second home, we're fine, and go find someone who really needs help (we'd been interrupted about every half-hour by "aid" workers, whose "aid" consisted of taking down pages and pages ofinformation as they sat inside their air conditioned car, so I was pretty terse.) They ask if we'll take a ruined mattress off the pile of debris and put it back on so they can photograph the "cleanup". My wife rolls her eyes, but we do it.
I shiat you not - as we lift it back on, two of the FEMA guys swoop in, "help" us lift, and the camera clicks. Unfarking believable. I smirk and ask if the "dog and pony show is finished." They ask if we'll do a fifteen minute interview about how the storm affected us. I again explain it's my mom's second home, we're going to be fine, surely someone else is more deserving. The farking guy actually says that I don't need to mention the "second home" part. I ended it there.
Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.


Remember, they're coming off Heck of a job Brownie. They're bound to be a little desperate.
 
2012-10-29 09:32:39 AM

LessO2: Gawd, I hope this story goes to the liberal media.


You mean the one that will play Romney's comments, and then play an outdated, out of context Obama quote so they can pretend to be objective?
 
2012-10-29 09:33:26 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.


I remember reading a story once about wildfires in California where a neighborhood was being evacuated. A guy watched as a company pulled up to his neighbors' McMansion, had a moving crew walked in and started removing boxes with their precious things, another crew started spraying down the exterior of the home with a fire-resistant foam, and a driver whisked the family away. It turns out they had a subscription to a sort of natural disaster insurance which takes care of you in that sort of event: moving your treasured belongings to storage, putting you up in a 5 star hotel, and battening down the hatches on your home.

This is the sort of world people like Romney want to create - you get the protection you pay for. If you can't afford it, sucks to be you.
 
2012-10-29 09:33:53 AM

star_topology: Somewhat serious question, would Rhode Island be the most efficient state in terms of disaster recovery (Less ground to cover)? But what about funding? I know jack-shiat about the Rhode Island economy, but I'd be interested in how "Leave it to the state" would work for RI versus a state like... I dunno... New York.


The problem is that a State like Rhode Island could fairly easily have the entire State hit by the same natural disaster. You also have problems when a State has one city or area with most of the population and resources of the state concentrated in it. Illinois would be utterly farked if it had to deal with a major disaster striking the Chicago area if left only to the resources of the State.
 
2012-10-29 09:33:59 AM
Frankly, he has nothing to lose by sticking to the anti-FEMA stance right now. The storm is mostly going to hit NY, NJ, Connecticut, and Eastern PA -- it's not like it's going to swing the election.
 
2012-10-29 09:34:22 AM

jayhawk88: Brostorm: jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?

That is still federal money and more importantly some states subsidizing others. He cant win this argument.

Nevermind the merits for now, I'd be happy to just know what exactly the argument is?


So would Romney.

He's arguing both - that we should eliminate FEMA and the spending that goes with it, but then recreate FEMA spending independently via block grants to states which makes no farking sense at all because disasters don't hit on a normal distribution every year.
 
2012-10-29 09:34:23 AM

js34603: What a colossally stupid thing to say on the eve of a natural disaster.


Well he did make the the Lybian Embassy issue a political one the same day the Americans were killed. Couldn't even wait a day out of respect for the deceased.
 
2012-10-29 09:35:10 AM
You know if we sell off our low end performers, maybe we could but a trendy upstart like Alberta.
 
2012-10-29 09:35:13 AM
Besides Alabama and Mississippi can just borrow money from their parents.

Or Mississippi can sell of redundant letters. Welcome to Mispi
 
2012-10-29 09:35:22 AM

FLMountainMan: Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.


Ugh. Sounds awful. Although I'm not at all sure a private relief agency would have acted differently if they saw a quick PR opportunity as well.
 
2012-10-29 09:36:14 AM

js34603: What a colossally stupid thing to say on the eve of a natural disaster.


Colossally stupid is as colossally stupid does.
 
2012-10-29 09:37:08 AM
FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.
 
2012-10-29 09:37:55 AM

Cythraul: FTA: should either no longer be guaranteed and/or the agency disbanded and left to individual states to handle FEMA's responsibilities.

Sucks to be you, poor states (yes, I know I'm in one).


Y'know, for all their crying about how bad the European Union is, Republicans sure want to make the USA one.

If you're gonna give states as much power as Republicans want, you might as well make them sovereign, with passports needed to cross borders and everything.
 
2012-10-29 09:37:58 AM

Arkanaut: Frankly, he has nothing to lose by sticking to the anti-FEMA stance right now. The storm is mostly going to hit NY, NJ, Connecticut, and Eastern PA -- it's not like it's going to swing the election.


I think it's because there are only 9 days until the election, and if you don't have your mind made up now, you probably have trouble with reading above a 2nd grade level.
 
2012-10-29 09:37:58 AM
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2012-10-29 09:38:03 AM

js34603: What a colossally stupid thing to say on the eve of a natural disaster.


Seriously. Even if you do agree with all of his policies, you kind of have to wonder if he just doesn't think about how people will react to the things he says?

Dear Republicans and all politicians: Employ at least one non-robot, brown (any race), female person who can review things before you say them. And when in doubt, keep your mouth shut.
 
2012-10-29 09:38:56 AM

Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


If we got rid of every state that gets more federal money than it gives in taxes I'd be fine with that. The Rs would never win another election.
 
2012-10-29 09:39:37 AM

karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.


Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!
 
2012-10-29 09:40:42 AM

karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.


So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.
 
2012-10-29 09:41:30 AM
SANDY WILL BE ROMNEY'S KATRINA

\sorry, couldn't resist
 
2012-10-29 09:41:31 AM
Wi8ll Romney have the guts to tour the devastated areas telling the people there in person "Fark you, you should be on your farking own. If I'm elected I won't lift a finger to assist you in the slightest. Farking takers like you are what's killing this country."
 
2012-10-29 09:42:00 AM
Devolving government services and enforcement of civil rights down to the local level if a fantasy solution of the right wing.

If an area is lacking in such then "those people" who are smart enough will be forced to move away and the "quality" of the area will shoot up, while "those people" who do remain are giving their consent to be exploited.

Ethnic cleansing through local politics and getting outside areas left holding the bag.
 
2012-10-29 09:42:15 AM

sprawl15: jayhawk88: Brostorm: jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?

That is still federal money and more importantly some states subsidizing others. He cant win this argument.

Nevermind the merits for now, I'd be happy to just know what exactly the argument is?

So would Romney.

He's arguing both - that we should eliminate FEMA and the spending that goes with it, but then recreate FEMA spending independently via block grants to states which makes no farking sense at all because disasters don't hit on a normal distribution every year.


Can't you just see it? Giant thunderstorm tears through Kansas/Oklahoma, hitting both OKC and Wichita.

"Oklahoma, how are your relief efforts coming?"
"Well pretty good, we have shelters setup for those people who have damaged homes, extra food and water are being trucked in, and crews are working to restore power throughout the city."
"Excellent. Kansas?"
"Uh....we hadn't had a major tornado for several years, so we spent all our disaster money on a Creationism Museum. We...kind of have a few thousand people with nowhere to sleep tonight."
 
2012-10-29 09:42:17 AM

Waxing_Chewbacca: If we got rid of every state that gets more federal money than it gives in taxes I'd be fine with that. The Rs would never win another election.


I keep hearing how the nation needs to be run more like a company. Any good company needs to know when you cut an unprofitable division that seems unlikely to make any profit in the future. Alabama is the Zune of America.
 
2012-10-29 09:42:21 AM
Imagine the logistical nightmare of the fifteen or so states about to be hit each with their own organization and beurocracy trying to deal with this and coordinate efforts. I thought conservatives were supposedly all about efficiency.

Also imagine West Virginia trying to pay for disaster response out of their own pocket.
 
2012-10-29 09:42:40 AM
Remember when natural disasters were on that short list of things that didn't get politicized and cynically used for personal gain? Yeah you can thank George W. Bush for ruining that too.
 
2012-10-29 09:42:57 AM
When New Orleans/Louisiana/Mississippi went through Katrina, one of the key aspects of FEMA coming into play was the order by the President (too late perhaps) to mobilize the National Guard of neighboring states, "Federalize" them and dispatch them to the hardest hit areas to help out.

Good luck to the Gov of (insert state name here), ordering a Nat'l Guard unit from another state to assist with disaster control.
 
2012-10-29 09:43:00 AM

ghare: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!


If the RNC headquarters loses power and can't send out the daily "fact sheet" it'll leave them untethered to the mothership. I wonder if they'll even be able to feed themselves.
 
2012-10-29 09:43:20 AM
Actually since I have a radio operator's license I can be conscripted into the disaster recovery service, so why do we need FEMA?

Yes, it's a draft that's not called a draft.
 
2012-10-29 09:43:33 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.


The Free Market will be more than happy to fix your house after the storm. Just sell it to them for pennies on the dollar, then sign a lease at a rate higher than what your mortgage was.
 
2012-10-29 09:43:57 AM

ghare: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!


Funny thing is, FEMA operations have gone pretty smooth in this administration, just like they did during Clinton and Bush I.

The only time they really hit a snag was when Dubya put the Horse Whisperer in charge.
 
2012-10-29 09:44:16 AM
Wait a minute. I thought the president got the blame for natural disasters. Now it's the guy running against the president?
 
2012-10-29 09:45:02 AM

Carn: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.


Well everyone knows the way to make a bureaucracy more efficient is to give it access to more money.
 
2012-10-29 09:45:46 AM

bluefoxicy: Actually since I have a radio operator's license I can be conscripted into the disaster recovery service, so why do we need FEMA?

Yes, it's a draft that's not called a draft.


Relaying storm spotter reports is just like being put into the Marine Corps and deployed to Vietnam.
 
2012-10-29 09:45:48 AM
Seriously. Even if you do agree with all of his policies, you kind of have to wonder if he just doesn't think about how people will react to the things he says?

who cares? Americans have an attention span of about a week and a half. He knows he can just say the opposite next week and people will think he's showing leadership.
 
2012-10-29 09:46:10 AM

Cletus C.: Wait a minute. I thought the president got the blame for natural disasters. Now it's the guy running against the president?


Your reading comprehension sucks (duh!). Romney is being blamed for his need to lie on every single issue, whether or not lying is even needed.
 
2012-10-29 09:48:05 AM

Carn: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.


Exactly. Most state governments are run far worse than the federal government. States are no magic haven of perfect government. It's funny when you ask many republicans about what is so bad about allowing the federal government to run services they'll point to how miserable their local DMV is.
 
2012-10-29 09:48:17 AM
FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican
 
2012-10-29 09:49:30 AM

stoli n coke: ghare: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!

Funny thing is, FEMA operations have gone pretty smooth in this administration, just like they did during Clinton and Bush I.

The only time they really hit a snag was when Dubya put the Horse Whisperer in charge.


OKC (the Murrah building), WTC in '93 (credit to HW Bush for that one - Clinton had been in office about a month), the hurricanes/blizzards in '96, 9/11 (again, some credit to Clinton for that) - FEMA got high marks for all of those.

Michael Brown had been running FEMA for 2.5 years by time Katrina farked up the Gulf Coast.
 
2012-10-29 09:49:43 AM

NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican


What can you expect from a moron who thinks there are mountains in Florida??
 
2012-10-29 09:49:44 AM

lawboy87: When New Orleans/Louisiana/Mississippi went through Katrina, one of the key aspects of FEMA coming into play was the order by the President (too late perhaps) to mobilize the National Guard of neighboring states, "Federalize" them and dispatch them to the hardest hit areas to help out.

Good luck to the Gov of (insert state name here), ordering a Nat'l Guard unit from another state to assist with disaster control.


And good luck trying to coordinate not only all of the agencies in your own state, but also coordinating with state agencies of adjacent states. It's logistically impossible, especially during an emergency.
 
2012-10-29 09:49:44 AM

The Decider: Seriously. Even if you do agree with all of his policies, you kind of have to wonder if he just doesn't think about how people will react to the things he says?

who cares? Americans have an attention span of about a week and a half. He knows he can just say the opposite next week and people will think he's showing leadership.


Week and a half attention span isn't going to help him when the election is a week and a day away.
 
2012-10-29 09:49:55 AM

HairBolus: Devolving government services and enforcement of civil rights down to the local level if a fantasy solution of the right wing.

If an area is lacking in such then "those people" who are smart enough will be forced to move away and the "quality" of the area will shoot up, while "those people" who do remain are giving their consent to be exploited.

Ethnic cleansing through local politics and getting outside areas left holding the bag.


Forgot to mention that Katrina was regarded by many righties as a blessing in disguise because it was a "natural" form of urban renewal - flushing away the housing of poor people would allow shiny new development.
 
2012-10-29 09:49:57 AM

Cletus C.: Wait a minute. I thought the president got the blame for natural disasters. Now it's the guy running against the president?


Yes, that is exactly what is happening. Everyone is blaming Romney for a natural disaster. You sure are perceptive.
 
2012-10-29 09:50:33 AM

Cletus C.: Wait a minute. I thought the president got the blame for natural disasters. Now it's the guy running against the president?


Is that what you got from this?

Republicans are still whining about Katrina.
 
2012-10-29 09:50:37 AM

Waxing_Chewbacca: ghare: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!

If the RNC headquarters loses power and can't send out the daily "fact sheet" it'll leave them untethered to the mothership. I wonder if they'll even be able to feed themselves.


oo that would be a jolly hack to change the derping list of the day. anchorman moments all over the tubes for a day hahaha!
 
2012-10-29 09:51:14 AM

The Decider: Americans have an attention span of about a week and a half


Really? A whole week and a... SQUIRREL!
 
2012-10-29 09:51:29 AM

The Decider: Americans have an attention span of about a week and a half


Far too generous.
 
2012-10-29 09:51:33 AM

jayhawk88: sprawl15: jayhawk88: Brostorm: jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?

That is still federal money and more importantly some states subsidizing others. He cant win this argument.

Nevermind the merits for now, I'd be happy to just know what exactly the argument is?

So would Romney.

He's arguing both - that we should eliminate FEMA and the spending that goes with it, but then recreate FEMA spending independently via block grants to states which makes no farking sense at all because disasters don't hit on a normal distribution every year.

Can't you just see it? Giant thunderstorm tears through Kansas/Oklahoma, hitting both OKC and Wichita.

"Oklahoma, how are your relief efforts coming?"
"Well pretty good, we have shelters setup for those people who have damaged homes, extra food and water are being trucked in, and crews are working to restore power throughout the city."
"Excellent. Kansas?"
"Uh....we hadn't had a major tornado for several years, so we spent all our disaster money on a Creationism Museum. We...kind of have a few thousand people with nowhere to sleep tonight."


On the one hand, it would be a tragedy.

On the other hand, it would be a farking hilarious tragedy.
 
2012-10-29 09:52:36 AM

HairBolus: Forgot to mention that Katrina was regarded by many righties as a blessing in disguise because it was a "natural" form of urban renewal - flushing away the housing of poor people would allow shiny new development.


Which is hilarious in itself, for what does the ninth ward look like these days?
 
2012-10-29 09:53:13 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Wi8ll Romney have the guts to tour the devastated areas telling the people there in person "Fark you, you should be on your farking own. If I'm elected I won't lift a finger to assist you in the slightest. Farking takers like you are what's killing this country."


All those Northeasterners were asking for it. They should have had the foresight to see that the region is rife for freak multi-faceted storms that pop up every century or so.

And even knowing that this is all their fault, they're still too lazy to call their parents and ask for money to rebuild their homes. Hell, just go live in your vacation house for awhile. It won't kill you. Farking poors.
 
2012-10-29 09:53:48 AM
vpb Smartest
Funniest
2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM


Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.


...and those who can't imagine life without government assistance will continue to slurp and derp.
 
2012-10-29 09:54:38 AM
Block grants. The answer to everything.
 
2012-10-29 09:54:56 AM

Erix: Cletus C.: Wait a minute. I thought the president got the blame for natural disasters. Now it's the guy running against the president?

Yes, that is exactly what is happening. Everyone is blaming Romney for a natural disaster. You sure are perceptive.


Perhaps he means Romney's mouth, as opposed to the trifling storm?
 
2012-10-29 09:55:00 AM

Dr Dreidel: stoli n coke: ghare: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

Ahhh, the derp brigade has their Monday morning talking points now!

Funny thing is, FEMA operations have gone pretty smooth in this administration, just like they did during Clinton and Bush I.

The only time they really hit a snag was when Dubya put the Horse Whisperer in charge.

OKC (the Murrah building), WTC in '93 (credit to HW Bush for that one - Clinton had been in office about a month), the hurricanes/blizzards in '96, 9/11 (again, some credit to Clinton for that) - FEMA got high marks for all of those.

Michael Brown had been running FEMA for 2.5 years by time Katrina farked up the Gulf Coast.


I'm not saying he didn't do a great job running Emergency Management when there were very few if any emergencies to respond to.
 
2012-10-29 09:55:19 AM
It's almost like God is trying to point out how bad a choice Romney is.
 
2012-10-29 09:55:45 AM

MonkeyAngst: Can't we just sell off the hipsters?


That's a deal! Think Mexico will give us $5.49/lb (the price for Boar's Head American Cheese at our local deli counter) for them? That works out to about 20 bucks per skinny hipster in girl jeans and 1950s glasses.
 
2012-10-29 09:56:00 AM

ghare: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

What can you expect from a moron who thinks there are mountains in Florida??


You've obviously never been in Florida. There are gradual inclines here that go all the way up to 40-50ft high. The mountains of Clermont are a wonder to behold.
 
2012-10-29 09:56:17 AM
Carn
karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.



The state level would be less top heavy....less corrupt (unless you are from Virginia). FEMA has historically been slow to act - Red Cross and the National Guard would have a better reponse time and in most incidences, FEMA has complicated relief efforts instead of providing help.
 
2012-10-29 09:57:50 AM

MayoSlather: Carn: karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.

Exactly. Most state governments are run far worse than the federal government. States are no magic haven of perfect government. It's funny when you ask many republicans about what is so bad about allowing the federal government to run services they'll point to how miserable their local DMV is.


Yep. My mom had a job for several years working directly for the state government and some of the stories were just ridiculous. Local governments tend to be more corrupt too because there's hardly any oversight.
 
2012-10-29 09:58:39 AM
I wish somebody would do something about all the problems.
 
2012-10-29 10:01:12 AM
www.freestaterevolution.com
 
2012-10-29 10:01:44 AM

doubled99: vpb Smartest
Funniest
2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM


Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.

...and those who can't imagine life without government assistance will continue to slurp and derp.


Slurp and derp down paved roads, with a police force protecting the motorway from speeders and reckless drivers, vehicle regs so my car doesn't explode in a fender bender, gasoline regs so my fuel has what it is advertised to have in it, insurance laws so I don't get ripped off on deductibles in case of a wreck or break down....

I think I've shat on your derp sufficiently now, internet libertarian.
 
2012-10-29 10:02:19 AM
Romney makes Guiliani look good.  And that's before the nice dress, wig, and makeup.
 
2012-10-29 10:02:41 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.


unskewedforecast.com???
 
2012-10-29 10:03:03 AM
Will Cain on CNN just lied that Romney didn't say he was either going to turn FEMA over to states or privatize it.
 
2012-10-29 10:04:25 AM

coeyagi: Will Cain on CNN just lied that Romney didn't say he was either going to turn FEMA over to states or privatize it.


But, but the liberal media!!!
 
2012-10-29 10:04:55 AM
If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.
 
2012-10-29 10:05:13 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: This is the sort of world people like Romney want to create - you get the protection you pay for. If you can't afford it, sucks to be you.


Just wanted to quote this...
 
2012-10-29 10:06:34 AM

ham-operator: [www.freestaterevolution.com image 572x792]


freestaterevolution.com.

Yes, yes, let's hear what the wackers and preppers have to say about this situation.

Said no one, ever, anywhere.
 
2012-10-29 10:06:34 AM
As pre-insane Dennis Miller put it about abortion: "You want to states to decide? The states can't pave the farking ROADS."

Romney's derp is GOP Governing 101. Here in PA the GOP governor and GOP-controlled House and Senate slashed school funding, leading to 20,000 teachers being fired, test scores cratering and local property taxes going through the roof. But, it was all good, because the legislature got to run campaign ads bragging they didn't vote to raise taxes.

Instead of providing an actual government service like disaster relief Romney and his ilk want to just let the states handle it -- the same states run by governors and legislatures who would watch their own mother get dragged off by Slayer's road crew if calling 911 meant getting a stern look from Grover Norquist. If I may repeat myself from earlier today here, if it was up to them the rescue helicopters would drop credit card swipers down to people stranded on rooftops before agreeing to lower a rescue basket, and no, we don't take farking *Discover*.
 
2012-10-29 10:06:48 AM

star_topology: So he's against the Dept of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act now?

This will go over well.


I think Romney considers these two items as part of the market research department of the Government Inc.
 
2012-10-29 10:08:25 AM

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


Romney will keep his answer ambivalent so he won't sound like he is backtracking when he backtracks.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 10:09:12 AM
He has to double down before someone pays him to change his mind.

It's a constant pattern.

Government by bid... you'll have it completely in a Romney presidency.
 
2012-10-29 10:09:25 AM
We had a very interesting conversation in the other thread about Sandy. Originally I was thinking it's possible for the states to coordinate their own disaster relief and I think in some cases that is true but when something truly major hits the combined resources of the non-affected states is an excellent thing to have. Farkers made some excellent points I had not considered.

I believe Romney is wrong on this one.
 
2012-10-29 10:09:42 AM

Cataholic: So we have a headline from a crappy blog claiming he is doubling down...and one from huffpo using the exact same statement to say he is flip-flopping. Which is it?


That is the problem with Romney, isn't it? Even his lies are untetherable. Is his current lie a continuation of a previous lie, or a contradiction of a previous lie? Who knows. They're so etch-a-sketchy.
 
2012-10-29 10:09:46 AM
If'n you didn't want your house to be flooded, you shouldn'tve built it in front of God's hurricane
 
2012-10-29 10:09:50 AM

way south: If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.


Besides if your area suffers catastrophic loss you should just borrow the money from your parents. This is how Mittens thinks
 
2012-10-29 10:10:11 AM
It'll be OK. If anyone survives, that means they were saved by God. Whoever died, it was because they were godless homosexuals. Or Democrats.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 10:10:13 AM

verbaltoxin: coeyagi: Will Cain on CNN just lied that Romney didn't say he was either going to turn FEMA over to states or privatize it.

But, but the liberal media!!!


Will Cain... on the shortlist for "Most Punchable Douchebag 2012".
 
2012-10-29 10:10:29 AM

karnal: The state level would be less top heavy....less corrupt (unless you are from Virginia). FEMA has historically been slow to act - Red Cross and the National Guard would have a better reponse time and in most incidences, FEMA has complicated relief efforts instead of providing help.


Sorry to be that guy, but... citation needed.

Or just look Dr Dreidel's list.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 10:11:21 AM
t3.gstatic.com

I'm a pacifist and I want to kick that smirk off his face!
 
2012-10-29 10:11:51 AM
Yeah, lets give everyone a $2000 debit card after Sandy passes through. That way they can buy important stuff, like drugs, beer, booze and Viagra.

And lets not forget formaldehyde enriched travel trailers for everyone to live in.

/was in Mississippi after Katrina helping with comm systems restoration.
//Wal-Mart had a temporary pharmacy set up under tent. Everyone was biatching they had no Viagra. Just unnecessary stuff like antibiotics, blood pressure medications, insulin, etc.
 
2012-10-29 10:12:58 AM
At this point I can't help but think Romney is deliberately trying to fark his own campaign.

If he's not, then his level of stupidity and incompetence is beyond what I initially imagined.
 
2012-10-29 10:13:04 AM

ghare: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

What can you expect from a moron who thinks there are mountains in Florida??


There is - I've seen it - Space Mountain is in Florida!
 
2012-10-29 10:13:23 AM
What a dumbass. Block grant to the states? We already give the states annual block grants for emergency preparedness. Some of the states do a good job with the money. Others essentially waste it. All of them scream for FEMA whenever anything happens.

Maybe Mittens should privatize FEMA and rename it the 1%EMA. 47% need not apply.
 
2012-10-29 10:13:25 AM

stoli n coke: OKC (the Murrah building), WTC in '93 (credit to HW Bush for that one - Clinton had been in office about a month), the hurricanes/blizzards in '96, 9/11 (again, some credit to Clinton for that) - FEMA got high marks for all of those.

Michael Brown had been running FEMA for 2.5 years by time Katrina farked up the Gulf Coast.

I'm not saying he didn't do a great job running Emergency Management when there were very few if any emergencies to respond to.


I'm agreeing.

Until Katrina, FEMA was the golden boy who could do no (or very little) wrong. After Katrina, instead of people placing the blame - rightfully - on Brown and Bush (for waiting days to declare the emergency, by not having FEMA ready to go when the declaration happened), they blamed FEMA, though they do deserve blame for some of the stupid things - like the debit cards - they did in the recovery.

How about the tornadoes from last year? FEMA got high marks for that, too.

// Katrina is, I believe, the worst mismanagement of an American disaster/recovery since FEMA's inception
// worked for FEMA in DC during Katrina
 
2012-10-29 10:13:49 AM

karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.


It should be handled by the states who lack the resources and request federal assistance by declaring a disaster. Those states? Massachusetts (or Rhode Island) has plenty of resources to handle a storm that will...devastate all their resources. derp.

No need to pull them from places that have unused emergency resources. Heck that's why the human body heals locally with no help from the rest of the organism. Haven't you ever smashed your thumb flat with a hammer? It self heals like a starfish.

Besides FEMA should be able to do everything perfectly when we give them a shoestring budget. Budget cuts always make an organization work better. That's why republicans always scream so loudly to get the military budget cut.
 
2012-10-29 10:14:19 AM
FTA:
"Gov. Romney wants to ensure states, who are the first responders and are in the best position to aid impacted individuals and communities, have the resources and assistance they need to cope with natural disasters," the Romney official said.

This is the exact kind of bullshiat statement that we have come to expect from Romney. This statement can easily be spun later to suggest that Romney thinks FEMA is a great resource to help the states cope with natural disasters.
Would some one please pin this guy down with some direct yes/no answers. 

However, at the end of the day, when anyone biatches about how Obama handles Sandy, they need to throw Romney's quote out there.

The more stupid thing is that Obama is going to handle the situation in a great way, and the Republicans will actually biatch that the Federal Governmnet (which is made up exclusively of OBAMA) should not have gotten involved.

The fact that most of the impacted states will probably vote for Obama anyways will just give the darking republicans more ammunition to say stupid crap like "Obama is using FEMA to buy the election."

Mark my words, that will be the new talking point by the end of the week.
 
2012-10-29 10:14:46 AM
You know the kool-aid drinkers will still vote for Romney, but this is going to sink him among the remaining undecided voters. This was a very bad calculation for the Romney campaign.
 
2012-10-29 10:14:55 AM

jayhawk88: Nevermind the merits for now, I'd be happy to just know what exactly the argument is?


Making vaguely negative-sounding grunts in the general direction of the Federal government.

/srsly
//it's their argument against most things
///about half the country seem to be neoconfederates
 
2012-10-29 10:15:31 AM

d23: verbaltoxin: coeyagi: Will Cain on CNN just lied that Romney didn't say he was either going to turn FEMA over to states or privatize it.

But, but the liberal media!!!

Will Cain... on the shortlist for "Most Punchable Douchebag 2012".


He looked like such a tool, L.Z. Granderson was about to reach through the thousands of miles of cable to strangle that sonofabiatch.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 10:15:32 AM

JackieRabbit: What a dumbass. Block grant to the states? We already give the states annual block grants for emergency preparedness. Some of the states do a good job with the money. Others essentially waste it. All of them scream for FEMA whenever anything happens.

Maybe Mittens should privatize FEMA and rename it the 1%EMA. 47% need not apply.


Block grants. A great way to funnel money to corporate buddies on the state level.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-29 10:16:32 AM

GoldSpider: You know the kool-aid drinkers will still vote for Romney, but this is going to sink him among the remaining undecided voters. This was a very bad calculation for the Romney campaign.


HUH? You mean they had a weather machine all along and decided to turn it on NOW? Yeah.. that's a REALLY BAD calculation.

LOLZ
 
2012-10-29 10:16:56 AM
There may be a better way of handling disasters than FEMA.

In particular, I seem to recall that FEMA has no influence in preparing for disasters, only in leaping into action after the disaster has occurred.
 
2012-10-29 10:17:29 AM

IlGreven: If you're gonna give states as much power as Republicans want, you might as well make them sovereign, with passports needed to cross borders and everything.


Ug. You'd better scream JINKS!...
 
2012-10-29 10:17:54 AM
As far as states handling their own disaster relief, Florida does a real bang up job. A model for the rest of the country to look up to.

So yes, States can do a good job of handling it without FEMA.
 
2012-10-29 10:18:11 AM

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


Uhhh... which one would you prefer it to be?
 
2012-10-29 10:19:14 AM

WTF Indeed: It's still better than Paul Ryan's plan of just allowing survival of the fittest during disasters in order to thin out the population.


To make room for all the rape babies.
 
2012-10-29 10:19:32 AM

sodomizer: There may be a better way of handling disasters than FEMA.

In particular, I seem to recall that FEMA has no influence in preparing for disasters, only in leaping into action after the disaster has occurred.


Your recall is incorrect.
 
2012-10-29 10:19:52 AM

verbaltoxin:
Relaying storm spotter reports is just like being put into the Marine Corps and deployed to Vietnam.


So, it's your opinion that I should be able to abduct black people and force them to pick apples? Because picking apples is not as bad as picking cotton, and they get fed better than before the civil war, and I don't beat them with whips or rape their children, so it's really not slavery 'cause it's not like being a slave....
 
2012-10-29 10:20:11 AM

utharda: FLMountainMan: CSB: My only personal experience with FEMA was awful. A year ago, my mom's cabin (a second home) on the Sopchoppy River was flooded. So, my now-wife and I go down there and clean it up. As we're wrapping it up for the day, the FEMA guys come by. They ask if we need help, I explain that it's my mom's second home, we're fine, and go find someone who really needs help (we'd been interrupted about every half-hour by "aid" workers, whose "aid" consisted of taking down pages and pages ofinformation as they sat inside their air conditioned car, so I was pretty terse.) They ask if we'll take a ruined mattress off the pile of debris and put it back on so they can photograph the "cleanup". My wife rolls her eyes, but we do it.
I shiat you not - as we lift it back on, two of the FEMA guys swoop in, "help" us lift, and the camera clicks. Unfarking believable. I smirk and ask if the "dog and pony show is finished." They ask if we'll do a fifteen minute interview about how the storm affected us. I again explain it's my mom's second home, we're going to be fine, surely someone else is more deserving. The farking guy actually says that I don't need to mention the "second home" part. I ended it there.
Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.

FLMountainMan: CSB: My only personal experience with FEMA was awful. A year ago, my mom's cabin (a second home) on the Sopchoppy River was flooded. So, my now-wife and I go down there and clean it up. As we're wrapping it up for the day, the FEMA guys come by. They ask if we need help, I explain that it's my mom's second home, we're fine, and go find someone who really needs help (we'd been interrupted about every half-hour by "aid" workers, whose "aid" consisted of taking down pages and pages ofinformation as they sat inside their air conditioned car, so I was pretty terse.) They ask if we'll take a ruined mattress off the pile of debris and put it back on so they can photograph the "cleanup". My wife rolls her eyes, but we do it.
I shiat you not - as we lift it back on, two of the FEMA guys swoop in, "help" us lift, and the camera clicks. Unfarking believable. I smirk and ask if the "dog and pony show is finished." They ask if we'll do a fifteen minute interview about how the storm affected us. I again explain it's my mom's second home, we're going to be fine, surely someone else is more deserving. The farking guy actually says that I don't need to mention the "second home" part. I ended it there.
Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.

Remember, they're coming off Heck of a job Brownie. They're bound to be a little desperate.


That comment was so stupid. I live in a place that floods about every year and they have to have photographs of damage and descriptions to provide aid. That old joke about "I'm from the government, I'm here to help" isn't as funny when everything you own is on the curb and covered in flood mud and the stores are out of safe drinking water. Or when you're trapped on a roof waiting for someone to bring a boat out to rescue you.

FEMA helps a lot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u_rH184caI&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFGYWBxMkdI

/ignore the toddler and racially insensitive name for my grandfather
//yes, it is a bad location for a town, but I believe it was exasperated by changes to connected waterways, and they're working on rebuilding the entire city higher, it just got stalled by the recession gutting funds
 
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2012-10-29 10:20:32 AM

Pick: As far as states handling their own disaster relief, Florida does a real bang up job. A model for the rest of the country to look up to.

So yes, States can do a good job of handling it without FEMA.


media.salon.com

Incapable of wiping his ass correctly. Uses $20 bills given to him by insurance companies.
 
2012-10-29 10:20:40 AM

verbaltoxin: doubled99: vpb Smartest
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2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM


Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.

...and those who can't imagine life without government assistance will continue to slurp and derp.

Slurp and derp down paved roads, with a police force protecting the motorway from speeders and reckless drivers, vehicle regs so my car doesn't explode in a fender bender, gasoline regs so my fuel has what it is advertised to have in it, insurance laws so I don't get ripped off on deductibles in case of a wreck or break down....

I think I've shat on your derp sufficiently now, internet libertarian.


Are you dense? Do you not understand the difference between people who are lifelong welfare/assistance recipients solely because it enables them live without care and government providing basic infrastructure (as it should)?

I know enough of these saps. Seriously. They sleep until at least 1:00 PM every day. They then watch daytime TV until around 5:00 when their kids (that their grandmothers and roommates got up and off to school) get home and then they hope that either someone else cooks some dinner or they piss some money away on fast food. They spend a few hours lounging around the house, then around 9 or 10 when their friends with fast-food jobs and the like are getting off work they start their day.

They then spend the rest of the evening deciding where/with whom they are going to use drugs and/or alcohol (which I have *absolutely* no problem with if you are supporting yourself), then proceed to get torn up until 4:00 AM, whence they either stumble into their bed, go to bed with a stranger they've been partying with (which I also have no problem with unless it nets illegitimate children I have to support through my taxes), or drive under the influence back to their home, so they can sleep until 1:00 again the next day.

I am not making this up. This is the exact life of *everyone* I have ever met who is on welfare. They are not bad people, they are smart, useful individuals, but they have no motivation to do anything else because they are able to "get by" doing nothing. I know a man that is illiterate, yet still manages to work doing hard labor to provide for his family and refuses assistance. They aren't well off, but they "get by". If he can do it, so can the lazy farks that only want to party, get farked up, and have no responsibility at all. I'd love to party all day and night...but I have to go to work.

But yeah, since I drove to work on a highway to contribute something to society, I am slurping and derping. Give me a god damned break.
 
2012-10-29 10:20:52 AM

Cataholic: So we have a headline from a crappy blog claiming he is doubling down...and one from huffpo using the exact same statement to say he is flip-flopping. Which is it?


Maybe you can explain it, because the candidate himself clearly cannot. While he's at it, maybe he could explain exactly how he would handle the situation. Does he want to shut down FEMA or not? Would he hand the money directly to the states, or to the private sector, as he said before? Could he, for once, not be insanely vague, evasive, and self-contradictory?
 
2012-10-29 10:21:33 AM

Pick: As far as states handling their own disaster relief, Florida does a real bang up job. A model for the rest of the country to look up to.

So yes, States can do a good job of handling it without FEMA.


I bet they do it with no federal money either, right?
 
2012-10-29 10:22:26 AM

js34603: What a colossally stupid thing typical thing for Rmoney to say on the eve of a natural disaster.

 
2012-10-29 10:22:59 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: I am not making this up. This is the exact life of *everyone* I have ever met who is on welfare. They are not bad people, they are smart, useful individuals, but they have no motivation to do anything else because they are able to "get by" doing nothing. I know a man that is illiterate, yet still manages to work doing hard labor to provide for his family and refuses assistance. They aren't well off, but they "get by". If he can do it, so can the lazy farks that only want to party, get farked up, and have no responsibility at all. I'd love to party all day and night...but I have to go to work.


Bull farking shiat.
 
2012-10-29 10:23:41 AM

Carn: Yep. My mom had a job for several years working directly for the state government and some of the stories were just ridiculous. Local governments tend to be more corrupt too because there's hardly any oversight.


Speaking as someone who used to work for State Government, I completely concur. The red tape everywhere alone is atrocious.
 
2012-10-29 10:24:37 AM

bluefoxicy: verbaltoxin:
Relaying storm spotter reports is just like being put into the Marine Corps and deployed to Vietnam.

So, it's your opinion that I should be able to abduct black people and force them to pick apples? Because picking apples is not as bad as picking cotton, and they get fed better than before the civil war, and I don't beat them with whips or rape their children, so it's really not slavery 'cause it's not like being a slave....


Congratulations, you thought up and posted the stupidest possible response.

Hunter_S_Thompson: verbaltoxin: doubled99: vpb Smartest
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2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM


Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.

...and those who can't imagine life without government assistance will continue to slurp and derp.

Slurp and derp down paved roads, with a police force protecting the motorway from speeders and reckless drivers, vehicle regs so my car doesn't explode in a fender bender, gasoline regs so my fuel has what it is advertised to have in it, insurance laws so I don't get ripped off on deductibles in case of a wreck or break down....

I think I've shat on your derp sufficiently now, internet libertarian.

Are you dense? Do you not understand the difference between people who are lifelong welfare/assistance recipients solely because it enables them live without care and government providing basic infrastructure (as it should)?

I know enough of these saps. Seriously. They sleep until at least 1:00 PM every day. They then watch daytime TV until around 5:00 when their kids (that their grandmothers and roommates got up and off to school) get home and then they hope that either someone else cooks some dinner or they piss some money away on fast food. They spend a few hours lounging around the house, then around 9 or 10 when their friends with fast-food jobs and the like are getting off work they start their day.

They then spend the rest of the evening deciding where/with whom they are going to use drugs and/or alcohol (which I have *absolutely* no problem with if you are supporting yourself), then proceed to get torn up until 4:00 AM, whence they either stumble into their bed, go to bed with a stranger they've been partying with (which I also have no problem with unless it nets illegitimate children I have to support through my taxes), or drive under the influence back to their home, so they can sleep until 1:00 again the next day.

I am not making this up. ...


But WAIT, there is a challenger...
 
2012-10-29 10:24:45 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: Do you not understand the difference between people who are lifelong welfare/assistance recipients solely because it enables them live without care and government providing basic infrastructure (as it should)?


Most people can't understand that there's both welfare leeches in significant number and legitimate welfare cases where people are honestly trying (and sometimes succeeding) to move from welfare to productive economic unit in significant number.

Seriously watch people argue. They ignore one side or the other; to them either Welfare is state-supplied drug money or it's some kind of patron saint of the working man down on his luck. Both don't co-exist.
 
2012-10-29 10:25:17 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: I am not making this up. This is the exact life of *everyone* I have ever met who is on welfare.


I'll bet you'd take the anecdotal evidence of other people just as seriously as you take your own, wouldn't you.
 
2012-10-29 10:26:21 AM
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2012-10-29 10:01:44 AM


doubled99: vpb Smartest
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2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM


Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.

...and those who can't imagine life without government assistance will continue to slurp and derp.

Slurp and derp down paved roads, with a police force protecting the motorway from speeders and reckless drivers, vehicle regs so my car doesn't explode in a fender bender, gasoline regs so my fuel has what it is advertised to have in it, insurance laws so I don't get ripped off on deductibles in case of a wreck or break down....

I think I've shat on your derp sufficiently now, internet libertarian.


Hilarious!
Shat is about all you've done, internet idiot.
Way to regurgitate this tired old piece of shiat argument. "We have roads and schools and mass transit. Therefore anything the gubmint does is AWESOME!!!!
Yea, government! I have all their trading cards!"
 
2012-10-29 10:27:51 AM

doubled99: verbaltoxin Smartest
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2012-10-29 10:01:44 AM


doubled99: vpb Smartest
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2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM


Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.

...and those who can't imagine life without government assistance will continue to slurp and derp.

Slurp and derp down paved roads, with a police force protecting the motorway from speeders and reckless drivers, vehicle regs so my car doesn't explode in a fender bender, gasoline regs so my fuel has what it is advertised to have in it, insurance laws so I don't get ripped off on deductibles in case of a wreck or break down....

I think I've shat on your derp sufficiently now, internet libertarian.

Hilarious!
Shat is about all you've done, internet idiot.
Way to regurgitate this tired old piece of shiat argument. "We have roads and schools and mass transit. Therefore anything the gubmint does is AWESOME!!!!
Yea, government! I have all their trading cards!"


And I see the original is back to reclaim his title!!!
 
2012-10-29 10:27:53 AM

The Glorified Jailer: [hilobrow.com image 320x420]


A little known fact. When BP came out with their logo they were running a ton of commercials bragging about how they were spending money on green energy research. They spent more money designing and market testing their new logo than they did on green energy that year. Man that logo does look friendly to the environment.
 
2012-10-29 10:29:26 AM

verbaltoxin: Congratulations, you thought up and posted the stupidest possible response.


Well, second stupidest.

Your argument that X isn't X because it's not as severe as other X you're familiar with is pretty dumb. Like claiming someone with an apartment and cable TV isn't "poor" because living paycheck to paycheck barely able to afford food and gas isn't the same thing as sleeping in your own piss in the back alley and wishing you'd had something to eat in the past three days. The first one needs to drop their cable TV--and of course that will give them $50/mo more, not much but really if that's a good chunk of money then they're unequivocally poor.

Yes, when the government calls me and says, "You are now performing X task for the Government because we need mobilized bodies," I am being conscripted. That the task doesn't involve a gun isn't important. Hell, the United States SS (Selective Service) actually states that if you can't perform in combat, they can still draft you and use you in communications and logistics, which is really the same thing you're doing when drafted by FEMA.

So suck it.
 
2012-10-29 10:29:38 AM

Pick: As far as states handling their own disaster relief, Florida does a real bang up job. A model for the rest of the country to look up to.

So yes, States can do a good job of handling it without FEMA.


Take a look at Louisiana and then get back to me and tell me all states are equal and will be able to handle disasters effectively without graft, discrimination etc...
 
2012-10-29 10:30:38 AM
So funny story - one of my coworkers who lives near a major river has had his house flooded three times. Badly, like whole first floor under water, insane repairs, has spent half the time he's owned it living in hotels, etc. To the point he and his family were just going to walk away from the loan and fark all.

FEMA came to the rescue, bought the house from him, and knocked it down. He now lives in a new, nice house at higher evelation. Nicest guy in the world and deserves it.

The point? He considers himself a libertarian.
 
2012-10-29 10:30:43 AM
No swing states in the path of the hurricane? Most of New England and New York vote Democrat?

He's not going to lose votes over this.
 
2012-10-29 10:32:04 AM

Pick: Everyone was biatching they had no Viagra.


wow, everyone

or just like black people
 
2012-10-29 10:32:48 AM

MayoSlather: ghare: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

What can you expect from a moron who thinks there are mountains in Florida??

You've obviously never been in Florida. There are gradual inclines here that go all the way up to 40-50ft high. The mountains of Clermont are a wonder to behold.


The highest point in Florida is a garbage dump.
 
2012-10-29 10:32:59 AM
After the storm Obama will point out how Romney would have left the states to fend for themselves. Which, could give him VA, NC, and possibly Ohio (if the storm cuts inland and makes it over the mountains).

The GOP will counter with accusing Obama of politicising a natural disaster.
 
2012-10-29 10:33:29 AM
Dear White House,

Could you please send us more money? Last year, we all spent that block grant 'o FEMA dollars on new Humvees. You know? so's we could get to the disasters faster. And we didn't have no disasters. So's this year, when we got our FEMA dollars, we went ahead and bought lift kits and chromium rims for the Humvee. So's we can get to disasters faster and fancier. We also threw our selves a big "Year o' No Disaster Party" and Cleetus took one of the humvees on a B - double E - R run and wound up at the E - Single R hospital. Can't say what happened to the Humvee 'cause he bit his tongue and he don't know all his letters. The Christian based school learning taught him God's a talker, not a writer. You don't need to know your words.

Anyhoo, as you probably seen on the TV, we had one of them storms blow through here. We is in a dastardly mess. The rich people say they cancelled their insurance just before the storm so the FEMA dollars will rebuild their summer homes fer nuttin. Well, I can't tell them their summer home is now a chrome spinner on a Humvee that may or may not be at the bottom of Bottomeless Pond. Rich people don't like that kind o' news.

And the poor people. Don't get me started on them. They's all up in the capitol moanin' about being hungry and thirsty and filthy and the nearest Walmart is now scattered clean to Kentucky. And their Magic Money Cards don't work cause the laptop that we use to disburse the welfare money got blowed away too. So we could use a new laptop with he software package Uncle Sam Shiats Today version 3.4 (Kathy don't like 4.0 - too confusing)

So, if'n you could fly down here with a nice laptop and one of those big checks and hand me the check so's we can get the rich people's home rebuilt (and get the poor some building jobs supervisin' the Mexicans who will do the real work), every thing will be hunky-dory again.

Thank you for your time and I look for you and your giant check soon
Seamus "Shameless and Blameless" Peppers
Governor
The Kangaroo State
 
2012-10-29 10:34:26 AM

bluefoxicy: verbaltoxin: Congratulations, you thought up and posted the stupidest possible response.

Well, second stupidest.

Your argument that X isn't X because it's not as severe as other X you're familiar with is pretty dumb. Like claiming someone with an apartment and cable TV isn't "poor" because living paycheck to paycheck barely able to afford food and gas isn't the same thing as sleeping in your own piss in the back alley and wishing you'd had something to eat in the past three days. The first one needs to drop their cable TV--and of course that will give them $50/mo more, not much but really if that's a good chunk of money then they're unequivocally poor.

Yes, when the government calls me and says, "You are now performing X task for the Government because we need mobilized bodies," I am being conscripted. That the task doesn't involve a gun isn't important. Hell, the United States SS (Selective Service) actually states that if you can't perform in combat, they can still draft you and use you in communications and logistics, which is really the same thing you're doing when drafted by FEMA.

So suck it.


How many times have you had to endure this tyrannical slavery? I can only imagine how you have suffered.

Never Forget!
 
2012-10-29 10:35:14 AM

Jackson Herring: Pick: Everyone was biatching they had no Viagra.

wow, everyone

or just like black people


Viagra is for old white guys
 
2012-10-29 10:35:36 AM
d23, you don't know what your are talking about.
 
2012-10-29 10:35:58 AM
I love that the people who've been biatching about the GOP politicizing the Libya attack are jumping on the first chance to do the same with this storm.

Stay classy, hypocrites.
 
2012-10-29 10:36:25 AM
You know, the issue keeps coming up.

The only problem ,as Romney sees it, is people.
They just get in the way and fark up all of his corporate cultivation.
Money is his friend. It likes him and just hangs out w/ him. People, not so much.
Partisan hacks love him and just hang out w/ him. People, not so much.
Morally bankrupt leaders of industry love him and just hang out w/ him. People, not so much.
If we could just get rid of people, his ideas/plans/cons would be fine.

Maybe we will come back to Romney for advice after the disaster.
 
2012-10-29 10:37:07 AM

bluefoxicy: verbaltoxin: Congratulations, you thought up and posted the stupidest possible response.

Well, second stupidest.

Your argument that X isn't X because it's not as severe as other X you're familiar with is pretty dumb. Like claiming someone with an apartment and cable TV isn't "poor" because living paycheck to paycheck barely able to afford food and gas isn't the same thing as sleeping in your own piss in the back alley and wishing you'd had something to eat in the past three days. The first one needs to drop their cable TV--and of course that will give them $50/mo more, not much but really if that's a good chunk of money then they're unequivocally poor.

Yes, when the government calls me and says, "You are now performing X task for the Government because we need mobilized bodies," I am being conscripted. That the task doesn't involve a gun isn't important. Hell, the United States SS (Selective Service) actually states that if you can't perform in combat, they can still draft you and use you in communications and logistics, which is really the same thing you're doing when drafted by FEMA.

So suck it.


Yes, we should pity you, for having to provide a service you agreed to do when you applied for your license. I applaud your bravery. I'll send you an official bravery sticker you can put on your mil-spec tactical vest or your Skywarn-adorned SUV with the antenna sticking out of it. That way the next time you go to the scene as a "first responder" the EMT's know who they have to move out of the way.
 
2012-10-29 10:37:40 AM
Dems durring Katrina fiasco : FEMA SUCKS AND SO DOES BUSH!!"
now they love it
Romney want to block-grant FEMA to the states = shut it down?
TONS of FEMA grants to keep rebuilding houses idiots have on huricane coasts = good waste of resources?

Partisanshp, this is how it hurts
 
2012-10-29 10:37:44 AM

monoski: Jackson Herring: Pick: Everyone was biatching they had no Viagra.

wow, everyone

or just like black people

Viagra is for old white guys


Not any more.
It is what is for breakfast if you like holding your water.
 
2012-10-29 10:38:52 AM

organizmx: So funny story - one of my coworkers who lives near a major river has had his house flooded three times. Badly, like whole first floor under water, insane repairs, has spent half the time he's owned it living in hotels, etc. To the point he and his family were just going to walk away from the loan and fark all.

FEMA came to the rescue, bought the house from him, and knocked it down. He now lives in a new, nice house at higher evelation. Nicest guy in the world and deserves it.

The point? He considers himself a libertarian.


Well, duh. It's an actual emergency when it applies to him.

But when it's anyone else - they need to just take responsibility for their own lives.
 
2012-10-29 10:38:55 AM

Brubold: I love that the people who've been biatching about the GOP politicizing the Libya attack are jumping on the first chance to do the same with this storm.

Stay classy, hypocrites.


Because Obama was on stage smirking about American's dying like Romney was?
 
2012-10-29 10:39:12 AM
Please... NO MORE SLASHIES!!!
 
2012-10-29 10:40:31 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Hunter_S_Thompson: I am not making this up. This is the exact life of *everyone* I have ever met who is on welfare. They are not bad people, they are smart, useful individuals, but they have no motivation to do anything else because they are able to "get by" doing nothing. I know a man that is illiterate, yet still manages to work doing hard labor to provide for his family and refuses assistance. They aren't well off, but they "get by". If he can do it, so can the lazy farks that only want to party, get farked up, and have no responsibility at all. I'd love to party all day and night...but I have to go to work.

Bull farking shiat.


That's the best you've got?
 
2012-10-29 10:40:51 AM

Joe Blowme: Dems durring Katrina fiasco : FEMA SUCKS AND SO DOES BUSH!!"
now they love it
Romney want to block-grant FEMA to the states = shut it down?
TONS of FEMA grants to keep rebuilding houses idiots have on huricane coasts = good waste of resources?

Partisanshp, this is how it hurts


You know, poor management of a decent organizational will cause the organization to have problems. This is true at every organization George W. Bush even "ran".
 
2012-10-29 10:42:00 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: Philip Francis Queeg: Hunter_S_Thompson: I am not making this up. This is the exact life of *everyone* I have ever met who is on welfare. They are not bad people, they are smart, useful individuals, but they have no motivation to do anything else because they are able to "get by" doing nothing. I know a man that is illiterate, yet still manages to work doing hard labor to provide for his family and refuses assistance. They aren't well off, but they "get by". If he can do it, so can the lazy farks that only want to party, get farked up, and have no responsibility at all. I'd love to party all day and night...but I have to go to work.

Bull farking shiat.

That's the best you've got?


gibberish really doesn't deserve any better.
 
2012-10-29 10:42:36 AM

Joe Blowme: Dems durring Katrina fiasco : FEMA SUCKS AND SO DOES BUSH!!"
now they love it
Romney want to block-grant FEMA to the states = shut it down?
TONS of FEMA grants to keep rebuilding houses idiots have on huricane coasts = good waste of resources?

Partisanshp, this is how it hurts


I need to figure out how to get custom-printed toilet paper. So I can put this on it and wipe my ass with this quote everyday.
 
2012-10-29 10:42:49 AM

Hoboclown: No swing states in the path of the hurricane? Most of New England and New York vote Democrat?

He's not going to lose votes over this.


Virginia / Pennsylvania would like a word with you.
 
2012-10-29 10:43:03 AM

ghare: Joe Blowme: Dems durring Katrina fiasco : FEMA SUCKS AND SO DOES BUSH!!"
now they love it
Romney want to block-grant FEMA to the states = shut it down?
TONS of FEMA grants to keep rebuilding houses idiots have on huricane coasts = good waste of resources?

Partisanshp, this is how it hurts

You know, poor management of a decent organizational will cause the organization to have problems. This is true at every organization George W. Bush even "ran".


Yes, adding FEMA to the clusterfark that is the Department of Homeland Security didn't help.
 
2012-10-29 10:44:48 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: Philip Francis Queeg: Hunter_S_Thompson: I am not making this up. This is the exact life of *everyone* I have ever met who is on welfare. They are not bad people, they are smart, useful individuals, but they have no motivation to do anything else because they are able to "get by" doing nothing. I know a man that is illiterate, yet still manages to work doing hard labor to provide for his family and refuses assistance. They aren't well off, but they "get by". If he can do it, so can the lazy farks that only want to party, get farked up, and have no responsibility at all. I'd love to party all day and night...but I have to go to work.

Bull farking shiat.

That's the best you've got?


What if I told you that every rich person I knew was a sociopathic serial killer who was also a pedophile?
 
2012-10-29 10:44:55 AM
monoski


Pick: As far as states handling their own disaster relief, Florida does a real bang up job. A model for the rest of the country to look up to.

So yes, States can do a good job of handling it without FEMA.

Take a look at Louisiana and then get back to me and tell me all states are equal and will be able to handle disasters effectively without graft, discrimination etc...




In hindsight, money should have been spent to strengthen the New Orleans levees before Katrina. President Clinton should have done it. Presidents Bush the First and Reagan should have done it. 
1927 was the last time the city of New Orleans did any improvements on the levee system.

New Orleans had in place evacuations processes that were set to help people fend for themselves. These processes failed to take into account the demographics of the city of New Orleans.
 
2012-10-29 10:46:38 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: As pre-insane Dennis Miller put it about abortion: "You want to states to decide? The states can't pave the farking ROADS."

Romney's derp is GOP Governing 101. Here in PA the GOP governor and GOP-controlled House and Senate slashed school funding, leading to 20,000 teachers being fired, test scores cratering and local property taxes going through the roof. But, it was all good, because the legislature got to run campaign ads bragging they didn't vote to raise taxes.

Instead of providing an actual government service like disaster relief Romney and his ilk want to just let the states handle it -- the same states run by governors and legislatures who would watch their own mother get dragged off by Slayer's road crew if calling 911 meant getting a stern look from Grover Norquist. If I may repeat myself from earlier today here, if it was up to them the rescue helicopters would drop credit card swipers down to people stranded on rooftops before agreeing to lower a rescue basket, and no, we don't take farking *Discover*.


You know what is really amusing in that block grant scenario? The blue states, who already have in place comprehensive state disaster plans and contingencies that respond fairly well to disasters would come out ahead. People in red states would just have to suffer though.
 
2012-10-29 10:46:49 AM

monoski: way south: If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.

Besides if your area suffers catastrophic loss you should just borrow the money from your parents. This is how Mittens thinks


...And where are they supposed to borrow the money from?
This credit trains going to end somewhere no matter how awesome Obama is.
 
2012-10-29 10:47:30 AM

austin_millbarge: At this point I can't help but think Romney is deliberately trying to fark his own campaign.

If he's not, then his level of stupidity and incompetence is beyond what I initially imagined.


I think it`s that his level of stupidity and incompetence is beyond what anyone initially imagined. he`s not trying to derail his campaign, he just wanted to sell the rails.

A capitalist will sell you the rope you will use to hang them.
 
2012-10-29 10:48:30 AM

Hollie Maea: Imagine the logistical nightmare of the fifteen or so states about to be hit each with their own organization and beurocracy trying to deal with this and coordinate efforts. I thought conservatives were supposedly all about efficiency.

Also imagine West Virginia trying to pay for disaster response out of their own pocket.



Can we pay with couches?
 
2012-10-29 10:49:20 AM

bluefoxicy: drug money


I'm not saying that every case is like this. But every case I've ever seen is like this. To the other poster who had such an eloquent response to me: I'm not farking shiatting you! They seriously say they "want a job", but then never get up before noon because they were up all night screwing around. Then say they don't even look for a job because "everywhere piss tests". Then they'll say they're going to quit smoking pot or taking pills, and sometimes it lasts a few days or 4 or 5, but since they keep hanging out with other lowlives, they're right back doing the same shiat.

This is just one more reason I think companies shouldn't drug test for menial jobs like gas station clerk or Arby's fry cook. It gives people an excuse to not even look for jobs. I say hire whoever, you're going to know if they're a screw up within the first week, so if they can't do it just fire them. No need to base it on a urinalysis.

But back on topic, I know there are certainly cases where people just fell on hard times. I don't think welfare should be disbanded. But the disillusioned government worshippers have to admit there are certainly cases like this. I see it all day, every day, and it's not getting any better. If you have to pass a piss test to get paid to do work, you should have to pass one to get paid to not work.
 
2012-10-29 10:50:14 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Hunter_S_Thompson: Philip Francis Queeg: Hunter_S_Thompson: I am not making this up. This is the exact life of *everyone* I have ever met who is on welfare. They are not bad people, they are smart, useful individuals, but they have no motivation to do anything else because they are able to "get by" doing nothing. I know a man that is illiterate, yet still manages to work doing hard labor to provide for his family and refuses assistance. They aren't well off, but they "get by". If he can do it, so can the lazy farks that only want to party, get farked up, and have no responsibility at all. I'd love to party all day and night...but I have to go to work.

Bull farking shiat.

That's the best you've got?

What if I told you that every rich person I knew was a sociopathic serial killer who was also a pedophile?


How rich are we talking? Billionaire level? I'd probably say you were right.
 
2012-10-29 10:50:56 AM

ghare: MayoSlather: ghare: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

What can you expect from a moron who thinks there are mountains in Florida??

You've obviously never been in Florida. There are gradual inclines here that go all the way up to 40-50ft high. The mountains of Clermont are a wonder to behold.

The highest point in Florida is a garbage dump.


You're using the term "garbage dump" in the pejorative. Have you ever seen the sunrise in the misty gorge of two large piles of garbage? It's nature's beauty at its finest.
 
2012-10-29 10:51:19 AM
bmadore.squarespace.com

Frankly, I'm surprised he has the support he does. Would you expect anything better from a horse-show guy? Just look at the one Bush put in charge of FEMA during Katrina and you'll see how good a man who plays with show horses does managing natural disasters.
 
2012-10-29 10:51:29 AM

way south: monoski: way south: If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.

Besides if your area suffers catastrophic loss you should just borrow the money from your parents. This is how Mittens thinks

...And where are they supposed to borrow the money from?
This credit trains going to end somewhere
no matter how awesome Obama is.


Oh no! You mean that the system proposed by mitt would not work? Well I guess according to your logic you should vote for the other guy.
 
2012-10-29 10:51:47 AM

star_topology: So he's against the Dept of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act now?

This will go over well.


I'm ok with this.
 
2012-10-29 10:52:15 AM

way south: monoski: way south: If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.

Besides if your area suffers catastrophic loss you should just borrow the money from your parents. This is how Mittens thinks

...And where are they supposed to borrow the money from?
This credit trains going to end somewhere no matter how awesome Obama is.


Another Republican who never took, let alone passed, economics.
 
2012-10-29 10:52:24 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: verbaltoxin: doubled99: vpb Smartest
Funniest
2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM

They then spend the rest of the evening deciding where/with whom they are going to use drugs and/or alcohol (which I have *absolutely* no problem with if you are supporting yourself), then proceed to get torn up until 4:00 AM, whence they either stumble into their bed, go to bed with a stranger they've been partying with (which I also have no problem with unless it nets illegitimate children I have to support through my taxes), or drive under the influence back to their home, so they can sleep until 1:00 again the next day.

I am not making thi ...


I 100% believe you and all others who say there are people who take advantage of any aid that is provided to them. However, there are people who legitimately need aid or who use it for a short time and then contribute more to society.

Without that welfare money that person's kids would be homeless and starving to death. There are children who have parents who don't care to feed them, they show up at school on Monday starving, exhausted, and dirty. Nobody wants to adopt this kid. The entire situation sucks, but I don't think ending welfare is going to fix it, that will just take aid away from those who do need it.
 
2012-10-29 10:53:31 AM

MayoSlather: ghare: MayoSlather: ghare: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

What can you expect from a moron who thinks there are mountains in Florida??

You've obviously never been in Florida. There are gradual inclines here that go all the way up to 40-50ft high. The mountains of Clermont are a wonder to behold.

The highest point in Florida is a garbage dump.

You're using the term "garbage dump" in the pejorative. Have you ever seen the sunrise in the misty gorge of two large piles of garbage? It's nature's beauty at its finest.


Oh, don't get me wrong, I LOVE the majestic nature of a garbage dump. It reminds me of...Florida.

/That's right, I'm a native. Last one, I think.
 
2012-10-29 10:53:40 AM

verbaltoxin:

Yes, we should pity you, for having to provide a service you agreed to do when you applied for your license. I applaud your bravery. I'll send you an official bravery sticker you can put on your mil-spec tactical vest or your Skywarn-adorned SUV with the antenna sticking out of it. That way the next time you go to the scene as a "first responder" the EMT's know who they have to move out of the way.


Actually, I applied for my license and was granted when I was 11, in the 90s. Barrack Obama issued the Executive Order that allows the Federal Government to issue mandatory mobilization of amateur radio operators in emergency situations; Bill Clinton was president when I was licensed, and the only thing I agreed to when I got my license was not to use dirty words on the radio or encrypt my communications on public frequencies.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2012-10-29 10:54:19 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: bluefoxicy: drug money

I'm not saying that every case is like this. But every case I've ever seen is like this. To the other poster who had such an eloquent response to me: I'm not farking shiatting you! They seriously say they "want a job", but then never get up before noon because they were up all night screwing around. Then say they don't even look for a job because "everywhere piss tests". Then they'll say they're going to quit smoking pot or taking pills, and sometimes it lasts a few days or 4 or 5, but since they keep hanging out with other lowlives, they're right back doing the same shiat.

This is just one more reason I think companies shouldn't drug test for menial jobs like gas station clerk or Arby's fry cook. It gives people an excuse to not even look for jobs. I say hire whoever, you're going to know if they're a screw up within the first week, so if they can't do it just fire them. No need to base it on a urinalysis.

But back on topic, I know there are certainly cases where people just fell on hard times. I don't think welfare should be disbanded. But the disillusioned government worshippers have to admit there are certainly cases like this. I see it all day, every day, and it's not getting any better. If you have to pass a piss test to get paid to do work, you should have to pass one to get paid to not work.


About half of all welfare recipients leave the program in a year or less. 70% within two years.

Your lazy ass relatives, friends and fictional characters are the exception
 
2012-10-29 10:54:31 AM

Joe Blowme: Dems durring Katrina fiasco : FEMA SUCKS AND SO DOES BUSH!!"


Wat? Bush was criticized because he gutted the agency and put a horse judge in charge of it.
 
2012-10-29 10:55:05 AM
bmadore.squarespace.com

Strangely on topic.

/I'm sure someone has a better one.
 
2012-10-29 10:56:45 AM
I don't understand the problem. Bootstraps work best when floating on flood waters, waving in hurricane winds, or buried under the rubble of a two-story house.

Go ahead. It'll be fun to watch half the red states drive to Rmoney's house and dry-gulch him after the next climate change-enhanced Tornado Alley Tournament.
 
2012-10-29 10:58:51 AM

bluefoxicy: verbaltoxin:

Yes, we should pity you, for having to provide a service you agreed to do when you applied for your license. I applaud your bravery. I'll send you an official bravery sticker you can put on your mil-spec tactical vest or your Skywarn-adorned SUV with the antenna sticking out of it. That way the next time you go to the scene as a "first responder" the EMT's know who they have to move out of the way.

Actually, I applied for my license and was granted when I was 11, in the 90s. Barrack Obama issued the Executive Order that allows the Federal Government to issue mandatory mobilization of amateur radio operators in emergency situations; Bill Clinton was president when I was licensed, and the only thing I agreed to when I got my license was not to use dirty words on the radio or encrypt my communications on public frequencies.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.


Pro tip: I'll be a lot less apt to poke fun at you when you're not waving some false equivalency flag in people's faces.
 
2012-10-29 11:00:47 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: This is just one more reason I think companies shouldn't drug test for menial jobs like gas station clerk or Arby's fry cook. It gives people an excuse to not even look for jobs. I say hire whoever, you're going to know if they're a screw up within the first week, so if they can't do it just fire them. No need to base it on a urinalysis.


Something similar that gets my goat (even though it doesn't affect me personally): employers checking credit for ordinary jobs. (There are some jobs with embezzling risk where it's actually relevant).

So you fall on hard times, your credit gets ruined, then you have trouble getting a job because your credit is bad. Like poverty *needs* to be harder to get out of.
 
2012-10-29 11:01:31 AM

way south: monoski: way south: If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.

Besides if your area suffers catastrophic loss you should just borrow the money from your parents. This is how Mittens thinks

...And where are they supposed to borrow the money from?
This credit trains going to end somewhere no matter how awesome Obama is.


at least we're not giving the money to billionaires to send to China.
 
2012-10-29 11:01:57 AM
sprawl15: "recreate FEMA spending independently via block grants to states which makes no farking sense at all because disasters don't hit on a normal distribution every year."

Oh, that's fine. It's not like FEMA block grant funds would be going to disaster relief *anyway*.

The point of block grants is that it keeps the sweet sweet money from the rich states keeps flowing in, but the poor state is free to spend it on *whatever the fark they want* instead of ensuring the baseline welfare of their citizens. So the second someone says "block grants" they're implicitly saying "we have no intention of addressing the problem in question, but would very much like the money to spend on other things."
 
2012-10-29 11:05:12 AM
A wise farker once said:

A Democrat's worst fear is that someone who needs help won't get it.

A Republican's worst fear is that someone who doesn't deserve help will get it.

I know which side I'd rather err on.
 
2012-10-29 11:08:51 AM
So, Romney thinks getting rid of FEMA, and leaving it to bankrupt states to figure out how to save their own citizens when we have a national disaster, is the more "moral" thing to do

As opposed to leaving it up to the bankrupt Federal government, I presume.
 
2012-10-29 11:09:00 AM

Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


Because Texas, Arkansas and Louisiana did not get up that morning?
 
2012-10-29 11:09:43 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: Then say they don't even look for a job because "everywhere piss tests". Then they'll say they're going to quit smoking pot or taking pills, and sometimes it lasts a few days or 4 or 5, but since they keep hanging out with other lowlives, they're right back doing the same shiat.


Addiction is a big problem, but there are no simple solutions.

Most addictive drugs are already about as illegal as it's possible for things to get in a non-Sharia country. Stacking on more penalties (legal or economic) is probably not going to help.

Even scaling up rehabs isn't going to keep people from falling off the wagon, and the very nature of addiction is such that people usually resist getting treated.

/No, I don't have any better ideas
 
2012-10-29 11:10:25 AM
Sorry. They biatch when the feds are in charge and get nothing done (Katrina), then they biatch when the feds try to put someone else in charge.
 
2012-10-29 11:10:40 AM

karnal: In hindsight, money should have been spent to strengthen the New Orleans levees before Katrina. President Clinton should have done it. Presidents Bush the First and Reagan should have done it.
1927 was the last time the city of New Orleans did any improvements on the levee system.

New Orleans had in place evacuations processes that were set to help people fend for themselves. These processes failed to take into account the demographics of the city of New Orleans.


Not to mention then the white police force shot several minorities who were trying to evacuate (or in the police force view just trying to loot out where the white people love)
 
2012-10-29 11:11:24 AM

theknuckler_33: Wasn't the point of shutting down FEMA to save on federal spending? If you are just going to send blank checks to the states when an emergency happens anyway, what are you saving? WTF is the difference? Is it just me or has "block grants" become the new GOP/conservative golden fleece solution to every perceived problem at the federal level?

IFeelLikeI'mTakingCrazyPills.jpg


Using Freeper logic, it's because having 50 seperate agencies is more efficient than just having one, so you won't have to spend as much money to do the same job.

/This is what Republicans actually believe
 
2012-10-29 11:11:59 AM

Girl From The North Country: A wise farker once said:

A Democrat's worst fear is that someone who needs help won't get it.

A Republican's worst fear is that someone who doesn't deserve help will get it.

I know which side I'd rather err on.


New favorite quote. Thank you.
 
2012-10-29 11:14:58 AM

Mouser: So, Romney thinks getting rid of FEMA, and leaving it to bankrupt states to figure out how to save their own citizens when we have a national disaster, is the more "moral" thing to do

As opposed to leaving it up to the bankrupt Federal government, I presume.


Of course, just look at the bang up job they are doing with the post office and ss. States should not be responsible for going bankrupt, it all Bush's fault.
 
2012-10-29 11:15:34 AM
There once was a man named Mittens,
With money he was verily smitten,
When in came a storm,
which is perfectly norm,
And he said, "Just throw them a pittance!"
 
2012-10-29 11:17:04 AM
Girl From The North Country

A wise farker once said:

A Democrat's worst fear is that someone who needs help won't get it.

A Republican's worst fear is that someone who doesn't deserve help will get it.

I know which side I'd rather err on.



I always thought a Democrat's worst fear was voter ID laws.

I always thought a Republican's worst fear was Ron Paul.

"She didn't suffer when the fall-out sprayed"
 
2012-10-29 11:19:46 AM
Yes, if there's one thing I admire about Republicans, it's their consistent support for really stupid ideas. They can always be counted on to be consistently stupid. I'd expect nothing more of President Romney.
 
2012-10-29 11:20:16 AM

Joe Blowme: Mouser: So, Romney thinks getting rid of FEMA, and leaving it to bankrupt states to figure out how to save their own citizens when we have a national disaster, is the more "moral" thing to do

As opposed to leaving it up to the bankrupt Federal government, I presume.

Of course, just look at the bang up job they are doing with the post office and ss. States should not be responsible for going bankrupt, it all Bush's fault.


Who keeps giving Cleverbot Fark alts?!
 
2012-10-29 11:20:20 AM
Scapping FEMA and casting the bankrupt states to the wind is just part of an entirely GOP agenda to further Divide and Conquer.
 
2012-10-29 11:22:17 AM

Dr Dreidel: Mitt should think a bit more about what he's saying.

Florida could not be the state it is without FEMA. FEMA helps run the NFIP, which has saved countless homes in Florida (and until the 2003 season, FL's NFIP ran in the black every year). Of course, most of Florida won't care about this - they'll happily vote Mitt without realizing that the only reason we have a flood insurance program at all - like health insurance for old people - is because the private market won't touch it.

Didn't Bobby Jindal's rise get slowed when he started coming out against federal disaster spending like 2 days before Mt Efrysfrandomuir*static*skyll (the one in Iceland) erupted? And like 2 years after half his economic base got wiped away due to poor state-level disaster planning?

Also, disaster planning/recovery is one of the things the Constitution specifically empowers the feds to do. Unless you think "defence" only refers to "people with guns and a mean glint in their eye".


Reminds you of why the armed forces are sworn to defend us from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
 
2012-10-29 11:24:51 AM

theknuckler_33: Wasn't the point of shutting down FEMA to save on federal spending? If you are just going to send blank checks to the states when an emergency happens anyway, what are you saving? WTF is the difference? Is it just me or has "block grants" become the new GOP/conservative golden fleece solution to every perceived problem at the federal level?

No, it's not just you. Block grants are a way for Republican states to get federal money without as many federal strings attached, that way they can say they're still rugged individualists while they're hoovering up taxpayer dollars.

Republicans only like "no government" in theory. In reality, they like government just fine when it's doing their bidding (like regulating people's personal lives).

 
2012-10-29 11:25:02 AM

verbaltoxin: Joe Blowme: Mouser: So, Romney thinks getting rid of FEMA, and leaving it to bankrupt states to figure out how to save their own citizens when we have a national disaster, is the more "moral" thing to do

As opposed to leaving it up to the bankrupt Federal government, I presume.

Of course, just look at the bang up job they are doing with the post office and ss. States should not be responsible for going bankrupt, it all Bush's fault.

Who keeps giving Cleverbot Fark alts?!


Your mom
 
2012-10-29 11:26:27 AM
Sorry, I jacked that up somehow. only the first 3 lines were supposed to be italics. Maybe it's the Frankenstorm.
 
2012-10-29 11:26:34 AM
Sounds to me like Romney's trying to create the Un-united States of America.
 
2012-10-29 11:28:08 AM
Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?
 
2012-10-29 11:28:12 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: star_topology: Somewhat serious question, would Rhode Island be the most efficient state in terms of disaster recovery (Less ground to cover)? But what about funding? I know jack-shiat about the Rhode Island economy, but I'd be interested in how "Leave it to the state" would work for RI versus a state like... I dunno... New York.

The problem is that a State like Rhode Island could fairly easily have the entire State hit by the same natural disaster. You also have problems when a State has one city or area with most of the population and resources of the state concentrated in it. Illinois would be utterly farked if it had to deal with a major disaster striking the Chicago area if left only to the resources of the State.


Thanks for the answer, PFQ.
 
2012-10-29 11:31:43 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x539]
Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?


States have been collaborating on relief efforts long before FEMA.
 
2012-10-29 11:36:44 AM

authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x539]
Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?

States have been collaborating on relief efforts long before FEMA.



And private charities would eliminate poverty if welfare was eliminated.
 
2012-10-29 11:38:38 AM

authorizeduser: Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?


Short answer: Haiti.

Long Answer: Your mom.

Longer Answer: Seriously, just go to Freepland if you want to drop this crap. FEMA may be far from perfect, but to argue that it would be better if every state had a smaller budget for disaster relief and not be able to pool their resources as easily.... is retarded.
 
2012-10-29 11:46:48 AM

Pick: Yeah, lets give everyone a $2000 debit card after Sandy passes through. That way they can buy important stuff, like drugs, beer, booze and Viagra.

And lets not forget formaldehyde enriched travel trailers for everyone to live in.

/was in Mississippi after Katrina helping with comm systems restoration.
//Wal-Mart had a temporary pharmacy set up under tent. Everyone was biatching they had no Viagra. Just unnecessary stuff like antibiotics, blood pressure medications, insulin, etc.


So, when a disaster victim says, "I just want to farking forget this whole event," they ain't just whistling Dixie?
 
2012-10-29 11:46:51 AM
I study civil defense, natural disasters, and emergency management for my dissertation. I will not claim omniscient wisdom, but yes, FEMA has problems, as do the state emergency management agencies. The system is by no means perfect, and the shift to DHS compounded old problems and revealed new ones. Nevertheless, disbanding FEMA would open a pandora's box (or Pantera if you have put your shorts on to fight evil today) of problems and present potential levels of fraud, waste, and abuse that would boggle the mind.

\ Link
\\Yes, I'm a history nerd.
 
2012-10-29 11:47:20 AM
He must have just started playing Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Wait 'till he gets to the part where FEMA is really just a pawn of the liberal media! His head just might explode! Poof!
 
2012-10-29 11:50:08 AM

coeyagi: authorizeduser: Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?

Short answer: Haiti.

Long Answer: Your mom.

Longer Answer: Seriously, just go to Freepland if you want to drop this crap. FEMA may be far from perfect, but to argue that it would be better if every state had a smaller budget for disaster relief and not be able to pool their resources as easily.... is retarded.


might as well do away with the defense dept too if you follow that logic. but the GOP love defense spending.
 
2012-10-29 11:51:57 AM
I love this guy

Gut agencies and get rid of them

Start with Dept of Ed - illegal, unconstitutional and a freaking propaganda wargharble pipeline. Then ex-communicate Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi for crimes against Nature then move on to neutering Hillary and Bill.

Finish by bringing Obama to trial for Treason for arranging Amb. Stevens toi be kidnapped and traded as a hostage for the blind sheik.

Oh, yeah
 
2012-10-29 11:52:34 AM
The conservative's mind set places great value on stubborn consistency over flexibility to change due to updated information.

This is a result of intellectual laziness, and unfortunately is becoming very popular among the electorate, so politicians take advantage.

Idiocracy, indeed.
 
2012-10-29 11:52:52 AM
www.peacebuttons.info
Oliver North questioned during the Iran Contra hearings, concerning the REX 84 plan, a FEMA plan devised to facilitate the suspension of the US constitution, ostensibly during a time of federal emergency. Democrat Representative Jack Brooks questions North, to North's obvious displeasure, and also the displeasure of Committee Chairman Daniel Inouye, and possibly some other, obviously disturbed committee members. Inouye squelches the question as a matter of national security. North was thus never required to answer this question.

FEMA plans to suspend Constitution 

/BTW...Defense Resource Act which FEMA attempted, was made law by executive order in March 2012 by President Obama
 
2012-10-29 11:54:02 AM

WTF Indeed: It's still better than Paul Ryan's plan of just allowing survival of the fittest during disasters in order to thin out the population.


That's only if it's an illegitimate disaster.
 
2012-10-29 11:55:16 AM
FEMA, eh?

Today's Fark kos tab outrage du jour

Straws. Grasping. Desperate.
 
2012-10-29 11:55:30 AM

dready zim: A capitalist will sell you the rope you will use to hang them.


How much do you pay per semester to attend the obscure hipster college where they taught you that quote?
 
2012-10-29 11:57:03 AM
monoski Smartest
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2012-10-29 11:10:40 AM


karnal: In hindsight, money should have been spent to strengthen the New Orleans levees before Katrina. President Clinton should have done it. Presidents Bush the First and Reagan should have done it.
1927 was the last time the city of New Orleans did any improvements on the levee system.

New Orleans had in place evacuations processes that were set to help people fend for themselves. These processes failed to take into account the demographics of the city of New Orleans.

Not to mention then the white police force shot several minorities looters who were trying to evacuate steal televisions and liquor (or in the police force view just trying to loot out where the white people love)


FTFY 

They Shoot Looters, Don't They?
 
2012-10-29 11:57:39 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson:
Are you dense? Do you not understand the difference between people who are lifelong welfare/assistance recipients solely because it enables them live without care and government providing basic infrastructure (as it should)?


I am not making this up. ...


I see that you live in Illinois, which is one of the 40 states with time limits on how long you can receive welfare. There is a lifetime limit of 60 months. Most states (and I'm not sure about Illinois on this point) also have limits that don't let you stay on the welfare rolls continuously, for example Rhode Island limits welfre to a maximum of 24 months within any 60 month period.

In theory its possible for people to move from state to state to get around this, but in practice people that poor aren't all that likely to do so. They're barely feeding themselves.

While we're poking holes in your myths about welfare, how about the whole "why work? free money!" meme..

Welfare pays very, very little money. Here's an example, a woman with one child, who receives $584 a month. That's less than $20 a day. Even if you add in food stamps ($8.72 a day for two people), that's not exactly living high on the hog. Work a minimum wage job just two full days a week, toss in the earned income tax credit, and you're making more money (and still qualify for food stamps).

I've known people on welfare. All but one were on it for less than a year, the one exception was a single mother who was on it for two years while going to a trade school. Every single one had an unexpected event that put them in a bad situation (death of the family breadwinner, fleeing an abusive spouse, .hit 18 and kicked out of foster care with no resources, etc)

If you think $20 a day is enough to pay for rent, clothes, utilities, transportation, and have enough left over for booze or drugs, you're just delusional.

So, you're delusional. And a liar.
 
2012-10-29 11:58:53 AM

barneyfifesbullet: FEMA, eh?

Today's Fark kos tab outrage du jour. 

Straws. Grasping. Desperate.


Weren't all of Barney Fife's bullets wasted?
 
2012-10-29 11:59:12 AM

karnal: monoski Smartest
Funniest
2012-10-29 11:10:40 AM


karnal: In hindsight, money should have been spent to strengthen the New Orleans levees before Katrina. President Clinton should have done it. Presidents Bush the First and Reagan should have done it.
1927 was the last time the city of New Orleans did any improvements on the levee system.

New Orleans had in place evacuations processes that were set to help people fend for themselves. These processes failed to take into account the demographics of the city of New Orleans.

Not to mention then the white police force shot several minorities looters who were trying to evacuate steal televisions and liquor (or in the police force view just trying to loot out where the white people love)


FTFY 

They Shoot Looters, Don't They?


I suggest that you Google the words "Danziger Bridge".
 
2012-10-29 11:59:23 AM

coeyagi: Hoboclown: No swing states in the path of the hurricane? Most of New England and New York vote Democrat?

He's not going to lose votes over this.

Virginia / Pennsylvania would like a word with you.


Ohio and NC are in line as well.

Don't know what affect, if any, Sandy will have on the election, but there certainly are swing states that have/will have storm damage.

I'm more curious about what happens if the power is still out next week in places where voting is done with computers.
 
2012-10-29 11:59:48 AM
This is what Romney's plans are: Overturn every federal agency that he can so he can recreate them exactly how they are, but with his name on them. Overturn the ACA and rename it RomneyCare. Overturn FEMA and rename it REMA...
 
2012-10-29 12:01:39 PM
(in my best bugs bunny voice) What a maroon.

I wished that I could find one thing that I liked about any of his proposed policies.
 
2012-10-29 12:02:09 PM
Of course he does. He doesn't rely on it. He wouldn't ever be homeless, he's got numerous homes! No, FEMA is what you use when the oil hits the anus. Romney would have people die or move. He's a heartless robot and not deserving of one single vote.
 
2012-10-29 12:02:57 PM
historynow11

I study civil defense, natural disasters, and emergency management for my dissertation. I will not claim omniscient wisdom, but yes, FEMA has problems, as do the state emergency management agencies. The system is by no means perfect, and the shift to DHS compounded old problems and revealed new ones. Nevertheless, disbanding FEMA would open a pandora's box (or Pantera if you have put your shorts on to fight evil today) of problems and present potential levels of fraud, waste, and abuse that would boggle the mind.

\ Link
\\Yes, I'm a history nerd.



Your history doesn't go back before 1979?
 
2012-10-29 12:09:52 PM

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


Mitt Romney would like to answer your question, however before he answers it, he needs to know which answer would get you to vote for him.
 
2012-10-29 12:10:08 PM

Granny_Panties: This is what Romney's plans are: Overturn every federal agency that he can so he can recreate them exactly how they are, but with his name on them. Overturn the ACA and rename it RomneyCare. Overturn FEMA and rename it REMA...


I sincerely think he wants to privatize any government entity he can. "Oh, you need disaster relief? Sorry, you didn't pay your FEMA bill."
 
2012-10-29 12:10:17 PM

way south: monoski: way south: If nothing is done soon, it probably wont matter if FEMA exists as a giant sinkhole in the federal budget.

Besides if your area suffers catastrophic loss you should just borrow the money from your parents. This is how Mittens thinks

...And where are they supposed to borrow the money from?
This credit trains going to end somewhere no matter how awesome Obama is.


FEMA's budget is around $6 billion and change.

The Department of Defense budget is around $600 billion.

Now where could we possibly find the money? Where, oh where?

Hint: If we funded the DOD at FY2000 levels, adjusted for inflation, we would save just over $160 billion a year. .

Put another way, DARPA (weapons research) is $80 billion a year. Cut weapons research by 8% and you've completely funded FEMA.
 
2012-10-29 12:11:13 PM

lennavan: jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?

Mitt Romney would like to answer your question, however before he answers it, he needs to know which answer would get you to vote for him.


I need polling data to say that "83% of undecided voters prefer a candidate with a gunshot wound to the head."
 
2012-10-29 12:14:40 PM
This is Romney's Katrina
 
2012-10-29 12:15:42 PM
I can't really disagree with Romney on this one. Like most government agencies FEMA just seems to get in the way, of getting things done.
 
2012-10-29 12:19:15 PM

vpb: Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.


In Alabama, folks are saying just this-- that they don't need the feds and should just leave the union and take their "assets" with them. I'm blown away, as we're not an asset. We as a state get back WAY more than we put in. I'm sure the blue states that pay more than they get would happily help us pack.
 
2012-10-29 12:19:23 PM

stuffy: I can't really disagree with Romney on this one. Like most government agencies FEMA just seems to get in the way, of getting things done.


You are absolutely correct. Because the news reports are all over it whenever FEMA does something well, which I would argue is more often than not.

Do you even understand how the media works?
 
2012-10-29 12:19:28 PM

WTF Indeed: It's still better than Paul Ryan's plan of just allowing survival of the fittest during disasters in order to thin out the population.


I know, what does Paul Ryan expect, that people should clean up their own messes? I'm down with grass-roots - in the rhetorical sense - but, not if I have to wear cargo pants and those heavy leather gloves.

What Ryan doesn't realize is that large groups of people - left to their own devices - would fall into complete chaos. Therefore, we need a large group of people (with FEMA jackets) to manage the local populace' climb back to civility (and provide sandwiches).

I don't know about you but, I don't want to live in an America where Alaskan tax-payers aren't forced to pay for floods in Louisiana and Floridians are compelled to pay for earthquake relief in California.

The good news is that politicians rarely do what they say they'll do, unless it serves a personal or special interest; and they almost never enact policies that diminish the role of government.
 
2012-10-29 12:19:36 PM

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


Depends, which answer would you prefer?

/He's also been a woman named Frida.
 
2012-10-29 12:25:07 PM

Mouser: So, Romney thinks getting rid of FEMA, and leaving it to bankrupt states to figure out how to save their own citizens when we have a national disaster, is the more "moral" thing to do

As opposed to leaving it up to the bankrupt Federal government, I presume.


Please, tell me how this country is bankrupt. You do realize bankruptcy is a legal process. Exactly what court woudl that be filed in?

If you're going to falsely claim that being in debt constitutes bankruptcy, then everyone with a mortgage is bankrupt.

If you're just going to claim we're broke, are we about to default on our bonds? Are we remotely close to needing to do that? Are the markets unwilling to buy t-bills? Do you grasp that on short term treasury bills the real interest rate is *negative*?

Right now the federal debt held privately (i.e., not intergovernmental borrowing) is about 60% of GDP. In 1946, it was double that. Were we bankrupt then?

This is how you become stupid: take an actual problem, like our national debt. Apply a term, like bankruptcy, that does not describe the situation, does not have any real meaning at a national level. Then throw the term around as if it really describes the situation.

Congratulations, you have managed to sound completely stupid.
 
2012-10-29 12:30:16 PM
(After Sandy hits): "I never said I'd shut down FEMA. What I said is that I think I bruised my femur."
 
2012-10-29 12:31:21 PM

stuffy: I can't really disagree with Romney on this one. Like most government agencies FEMA just seems to get in the way, of getting things done.


Be fair. FEMA did much better after Katrina when that incompetent moron wasn't in charge any more. Still needs improvement.
 
2012-10-29 12:34:49 PM
Giving each state the Fed money directly and killing FEMA means that during a hurricane several states would duplicate efforts and not be as coordinated. Does that sound like good business management? Does Walmart have a team of buyers or lawyers in each store? No, that's best handled at the corporate level, just like management of major emergencies is handled at the federal level.

And that doesn't even address the likelihood of those states taking the Fed money and using it to pay for non-emergency things, then griping when an emergency hits because they don't have the money anymore. Or refusing the funds in the first place for political reasons. Just ask Rick Perry about federal fire-fighting funds for last years wildfires in Texas.
 
2012-10-29 12:35:29 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x539]
Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?

States have been collaborating on relief efforts long before FEMA.


And private charities would eliminate poverty if welfare was eliminated.


I hope you're not suggesting FEMA can eliminate disasters.

There is no possibility of eliminating poverty, seeing as it's a nebulous term to measure the quality of life for a community of people. While the indigent of one hundred years ago would be lucky to have shoes and indoor plumbing, families that fall under the modern poverty line often have a vehicle, cable TV and other conveniences we've become accustom to.
 
2012-10-29 12:37:22 PM
Romney needs to appoint a better FEMA director, and I know just the man for the job:

blog.zap2it.com
 
2012-10-29 12:37:40 PM

authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x539]
Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?

States have been collaborating on relief efforts long before FEMA.


And private charities would eliminate poverty if welfare was eliminated.

I hope you're not suggesting FEMA can eliminate disasters.

There is no possibility of eliminating poverty, seeing as it's a nebulous term to measure the quality of life for a community of people. While the indigent of one hundred years ago would be lucky to have shoes and indoor plumbing, families that fall under the modern poverty line often have a vehicle, cable TV and other conveniences we've become accustom to.


So let's destroy the social safety net so that the poor can suffer the way they used to.
 
2012-10-29 12:38:28 PM

sodomizer: Cythraul: Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?

Why don't we just sell off the places full of useless hipsters, like Seattle and Austin?

Mexico might pay a lot for them.


No, they want people who can actually, you know, perform work.
 
2012-10-29 12:39:19 PM

sweetmelissa31: Romney needs to appoint a better FEMA director, and I know just the man for the job:

[blog.zap2it.com image 280x414]


1.bp.blogspot.com

Bring on the dancing horses!
 
2012-10-29 12:47:05 PM

NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican


No, my attitude towards them was caused by their actions. That's is how grownups behave. I didn't ask what party affiliation they were and they didn't ask mine.

Which is (D), by the way. Although people like you make for irritating tu quoques.
 
2012-10-29 12:52:01 PM

coeyagi: authorizeduser: Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?

Short answer: Haiti.

Long Answer: Your mom.

Longer Answer: Seriously, just go to Freepland if you want to drop this crap. FEMA may be far from perfect, but to argue that it would be better if every state had a smaller budget for disaster relief and not be able to pool their resources as easily.... is retarded.


Yes; I'm sure Haiti would be at the bottom of the ocean, if it weren't for FEMA. We already have the Red Cross for international relief efforts, which is privately funded and far more proficient with its dollars.

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?
 
2012-10-29 12:53:53 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Hunter_S_Thompson: I am not making this up. This is the exact life of *everyone* I have ever met who is on welfare. They are not bad people, they are smart, useful individuals, but they have no motivation to do anything else because they are able to "get by" doing nothing. I know a man that is illiterate, yet still manages to work doing hard labor to provide for his family and refuses assistance. They aren't well off, but they "get by". If he can do it, so can the lazy farks that only want to party, get farked up, and have no responsibility at all. I'd love to party all day and night...but I have to go to work.

Bull farking shiat.


It could be true, technically, if he only ever met one or two people who he knew were on welfare.

blog.torgodevil.com 

/The "You" in that caption should be "he," but I'm too lazy to Photoshop it
 
2012-10-29 12:56:27 PM
Rmoney: "Federal funding for disaster relief is "immoral," and is something that should be left up to the states or, "even better," the private sector."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/28/1151867/-Romney-on-Eliminati n g-FEMA-Absolutely
 
2012-10-29 01:00:22 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x539]
Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?

States have been collaborating on relief efforts long before FEMA.


And private charities would eliminate poverty if welfare was eliminated.

I hope you're not suggesting FEMA can eliminate disasters.

There is no possibility of eliminating poverty, seeing as it's a nebulous term to measure the quality of life for a community of people. While the indigent of one hundred years ago would be lucky to have shoes and indoor plumbing, families that fall under the modern poverty line often have a vehicle, cable TV and other conveniences we've become accustom to.

So let's destroy the social safety net so that the poor can suffer the way they used to.


Ask any tightrope artist: safety nets encourage reckless behavior and diminish any sense of accomplishment.
 
2012-10-29 01:01:44 PM

authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x539]
Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?

States have been collaborating on relief efforts long before FEMA.


And private charities would eliminate poverty if welfare was eliminated.

I hope you're not suggesting FEMA can eliminate disasters.

There is no possibility of eliminating poverty, seeing as it's a nebulous term to measure the quality of life for a community of people. While the indigent of one hundred years ago would be lucky to have shoes and indoor plumbing, families that fall under the modern poverty line often have a vehicle, cable TV and other conveniences we've become accustom to.

So let's destroy the social safety net so that the poor can suffer the way they used to.

Ask any tightrope artist: safety nets encourage reckless behavior and diminish any sense of accomplishment.


Of course it does. That's why we need to disband the Police and Fire Departments.
 
2012-10-29 01:04:44 PM

stuffy: I can't really disagree with Romney on this one. Like most government agencies FEMA just seems to get in the way, of getting things done.


You can't disagree with which Romney. Today Romney or Yesterday Romney?

Follow-up. How does FEMA get in the way of Federal response efforts when they are the Federal response effort? Because, you know that by law, FEMA can't interfere with State response.
 
2012-10-29 01:09:12 PM

historynow11: I study civil defense, natural disasters, and emergency management for my dissertation. I will not claim omniscient wisdom, but yes, FEMA has problems, as do the state emergency management agencies. The system is by no means perfect, and the shift to DHS compounded old problems and revealed new ones. Nevertheless, disbanding FEMA would open a pandora's box (or Pantera if you have put your shorts on to fight evil today) of problems and present potential levels of fraud, waste, and abuse that would boggle the mind.


www.internationalhero.co.uk
Agrees.
 
2012-10-29 01:12:26 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: authorizeduser: Philip Francis Queeg: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x539]
Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?

States have been collaborating on relief efforts long before FEMA.


And private charities would eliminate poverty if welfare was eliminated.

I hope you're not suggesting FEMA can eliminate disasters.

There is no possibility of eliminating poverty, seeing as it's a nebulous term to measure the quality of life for a community of people. While the indigent of one hundred years ago would be lucky to have shoes and indoor plumbing, families that fall under the modern poverty line often have a vehicle, cable TV and other conveniences we've become accustom to.

So let's destroy the social safety net so that the poor can suffer the way they used to.

Ask any tightrope artist: safety nets encourage reckless behavior and diminish any sense of accomplishment.

Of course it does. That's why we need to disband the Police and Fire Departments.


Just privatize them. Look at how Xe's done it.
 
2012-10-29 01:12:42 PM
This is like a repeat of Katrina and the Texas wildfires, when the proud Republicans were going to stand on their own and the feds could shove it---right up until disaster struck, when they changed their stories to "How come the feds haven't come in to save us yet, and given us all blank checks?"

/probably been said a few times...have to read thread now.
 
2012-10-29 01:16:58 PM
Romney is probably dancing a jig right now because of Sandy. It'shiatting in Obama's stronghold and it's going to hit hard. This will suppress voter turnout next week.
 
2012-10-29 01:17:37 PM

FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

No, my attitude towards them was caused by their actions. That's is how grownups behave. I didn't ask what party affiliation they were and they didn't ask mine.

Which is (D), by the way. Although people like you make for irritating tu quoques.


Oh my mistake, I must have you mistaken for another FLMountainMan who posts such Democratic views such as this:

FLMountainMan 2008-07-10 09:44:50 AM
Ah, the ever-tolerant left, basking in the ideological diversity that is America.
 

FEMA bad!
 
2012-10-29 01:23:44 PM

authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser:

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?


The several states have already established an agreement to provide mutual aid and collaborative disaster relief. It's called the federal government. Why should they make additional, redundant regional agreements when a national structure is already in place?
 
2012-10-29 01:27:02 PM

authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser: Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?

Short answer: Haiti.

Long Answer: Your mom.

Longer Answer: Seriously, just go to Freepland if you want to drop this crap. FEMA may be far from perfect, but to argue that it would be better if every state had a smaller budget for disaster relief and not be able to pool their resources as easily.... is retarded.

Yes; I'm sure Haiti would be at the bottom of the ocean, if it weren't for FEMA. We already have the Red Cross for international relief efforts, which is privately funded and far more proficient with its dollars.

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?


Get money.
Spend money.

/but not for you
 
2012-10-29 01:27:10 PM

karnal: Carn
karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.

The state level would be less top heavy....less corrupt (unless you are from Virginia). FEMA has historically been slow to act - Red Cross and the National Guard would have a better reponse time and in most incidences, FEMA has complicated relief efforts instead of providing help.


Why have the feds involved at all?

The Katrina recovery cost about $80 billion. I'm sure Louisianans would have been OK with a massive tax increase to pay for that/
 
2012-10-29 01:38:31 PM

SlappyKincaid: We had a very interesting conversation in the other thread about Sandy. Originally I was thinking it's possible for the states to coordinate their own disaster relief and I think in some cases that is true but when something truly major hits the combined resources of the non-affected states is an excellent thing to have. Farkers made some excellent points I had not considered.
I believe Romney is wrong on this one.


What kind of a thoughtful, well-reasoned comment is that? You're not even giving us anything to attack here.

We don't care for your kind 'round these parts.
 
2012-10-29 01:39:23 PM

authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser: Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?

Short answer: Haiti.

Long Answer: Your mom.

Longer Answer: Seriously, just go to Freepland if you want to drop this crap. FEMA may be far from perfect, but to argue that it would be better if every state had a smaller budget for disaster relief and not be able to pool their resources as easily.... is retarded.

Yes; I'm sure Haiti would be at the bottom of the ocean, if it weren't for FEMA. We already have the Red Cross for international relief efforts, which is privately funded and far more proficient with its dollars.

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?


Gee, I don't know, it has more experience and can coordinate with the states and other national resources. Do you think states are going to be individually more capable of coordinating resources from the Red Cross than the federal government?

No, of course you don't, you just can't take your mouth off of RON PAUL's dick for 3 seconds and come to grip with reality.
 
2012-10-29 01:48:27 PM

coeyagi: authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser: Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?

Short answer: Haiti.

Long Answer: Your mom.

Longer Answer: Seriously, just go to Freepland if you want to drop this crap. FEMA may be far from perfect, but to argue that it would be better if every state had a smaller budget for disaster relief and not be able to pool their resources as easily.... is retarded.

Yes; I'm sure Haiti would be at the bottom of the ocean, if it weren't for FEMA. We already have the Red Cross for international relief efforts, which is privately funded and far more proficient with its dollars.

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?

Gee, I don't know, it has more experience and can coordinate with the states and other national resources. Do you think states are going to be individually more capable of coordinating resources from the Red Cross than the federal government?

No, of course you don't, you just can't take your mouth off of RON PAUL's dick for 3 seconds and come to grip with reality.


To go one step further, isn't the definition of FEDERAL GOVERNMENT "states collaborating directly with one another [and] maintaining a budget that properly reflects the challenges of their geographic regions"?

We should get rid of the federal government because states can recreate a ... federal government?
 
2012-10-29 01:48:52 PM
rufus-t-firefly

karnal: Carn
karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.

The state level would be less top heavy....less corrupt (unless you are from Virginia). FEMA has historically been slow to act - Red Cross and the National Guard would have a better reponse time and in most incidences, FEMA has complicated relief efforts instead of providing help.

Why have the feds involved at all?

The Katrina recovery cost about $80 billion. I'm sure Louisianans would have been OK with a massive tax increase to pay for that/



Federal money would be needed, especially in the poorer states....but the states would decide how and where the relief money is used.
 
2012-10-29 01:53:26 PM

Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


Cuz FARK YOU, man, that's why!!!
 
2012-10-29 01:58:05 PM

cryinoutloud:
What kind of a thoughtful, well-reasoned comment is that? You're not even giving us anything to attack here.

We don't care for your kind 'round these parts.


lol Sorry! Just being honest! It was a good and informative thread!
 
2012-10-29 01:58:55 PM

Hunter_S_Thompson: verbaltoxin: doubled99: vpb Are you dense? Do you not understand the difference between people who are lifelong welfare/assistance recipients solely because it enables them live without care and government providing basic infrastructure (as it should)?

I know enough of these saps. Seriously. They sleep until at least 1:00 PM every day. They then watch daytime TV until around 5:00 when their kids (that their grandmothers and roommates got up and off to school) get home and then they hope that either someone else cooks some dinner or they piss some money away on fast food. They spend a few hours lounging around the house, then around 9 or 10 when their friends with fast-food jobs and the like are getting off work they start their day.

They then spend the rest of the evening deciding where/with whom they are going to use drugs and/or alcohol (which I have *absolutely* no problem with if you are supporting yourself), then proceed to get torn up until 4:00 AM, whence they either stumble into their bed, go to bed with a stranger they've been partying with (which I also have no problem with unless it nets illegitimate children I have to support through my taxes), or drive under the influence back to their home, so they can sleep until 1:00 again the next day.

I am not making this up. This is the exact life of *everyone* I have ever met who is on welfare. They are not bad people, they are smart, useful individuals, but they have no motivation to do anything else because they are able to "get by" doing nothing. I know a man that is illiterate, yet still manages to work doing hard labor to provide for his family and refuses assistance. They aren't well off, but they "get by". If he can do it, so can the lazy farks that only want to party, get farked up, and have no responsibility at all. I'd love to party all day and night...but I have to go to work.

But yeah, since I drove to work on a highway to contribute something to society, I am slurping and derping. Give me a god damned break.


One, that little fantasy you have probably doesn't describe even 1 in 100 of the "welfare queens" out there. I'm guessing that by saying it describes "everyone" you've ever met, the list of people on welfare you've met can be counted on one finger. But keep farking that chicken. It's so easy to judge when you have a job, an education, disposable income, and other things that make life nice, isn't it? Must be nice to not have to worry about feeding yourself or keeping a roof over your head, and still doing it with your pride intact.

Two, you're an absolute disgrace to your name. Perhaps you should actually read some of the late, great Hunter S. Thompson's work before espousing views under his name.
 
2012-10-29 02:00:08 PM

karnal: rufus-t-firefly

karnal: Carn
karnal: FEMA SUCKS.
It should be handled at a state level.
Right now, it is a top heavy bureaucracy that most times has neither the desire nor the information needed to effectively coordinate a kid's birthday party let alone a major relief effort.....and when the power to control the relief funds has federal policymakers using it to to help reelection campaigns by spending money on key political districts, it loses any effectivenessit might have had.

So it's your belief that state governments are not beauracracies. That's cute.

The state level would be less top heavy....less corrupt (unless you are from Virginia). FEMA has historically been slow to act - Red Cross and the National Guard would have a better reponse time and in most incidences, FEMA has complicated relief efforts instead of providing help.

Why have the feds involved at all?

The Katrina recovery cost about $80 billion. I'm sure Louisianans would have been OK with a massive tax increase to pay for that/


Federal money would be needed, especially in the poorer states....but the states would decide how and where the relief money is used.


You mean like this??? HOLY shiat THERE'S A POST-KATRINA PROCESS?!?!?!

http://stateimpact.npr.org/new-hampshire/2011/08/31/how-do-states-ge t- fema-disaster-relief-money-after-irene/

We spoke with Jeanne Gallagher to find out. She's the Recovery Director for FEMA Region 1, based in Boston, and she broke down for us how the process works:

Step 1: The Pre-Disaster Emergency Delcaration: When something predictable, like a hurricane or tropical storm, looks like it might do damage beyond what the state can pay for, it's the governor's responsibility to send a letter to the President-by way of the regional FEMA office administrator. Gallagher says in this case, New Hampshire Governor John Lynch sent President Obama a letter last week, asking for a Presidential Emergency Declaration, "And in that emergency declaration, what he asked the president to do is grant him direct federal assistance, which would activate some federal teams, if he needed them, and emergency protective measures, which would reimburse th estate 75 percent for anything they spent protecting the public in advance of the storm." Basically, Gallagher says, it's kind of like state disaster insurance from the feds.

Step 2: The FEMA Liaison: This can be combined with Step 1, and is part of pre-disaster planning. Besides asking for the Presidential Emergency Declaration, Lynch also asked FEMA to send up an agency liaison. "What the state liaison does is [act as] the conduit between FEMA and the state, and see[s] if there are any unmet needs in the state, or if there's anything beyond the capability of state and local governments," Gallagher says. In New Hampshire's case, she says the state had to open emergency operations centers and deal with other logistical challenges related to crisis-management. Which led to...

Step 3: The FEMA Incident Management Team: If a state (like New Hampshire, in this case) can't handle the pre-crisis management in the run-up to a major storm, or its aftermath, the governor requests an Incident Management Team. They're the feds who help the state manage emergency protective measures before and during the disaster itself. If a state needs chainsaw crews to clear debris, food for displaced residents, or other federal help, FEMA mobilizes more teams. Gallagher says New Hampshire got a ten-person Incident Management Team. In addition to mobilizing general assistance, they also watched where and how the state was deploying its resources (aka: spending money), and helped the state gather its preliminary receipts.

Step 4: Preliminary Damage Assessment: Enter more FEMA teams. There are two major FEMA aid programs related to this step-public assistance, for things like roads and bridges, and individual/family assistance for homes. The relationship between public and private FEMA aid is complex, so for the sake of clarity, we'll be focusing mainly on public assistance. Gallagher says for this step, state emergency officials and FEMA staffers will team up and go town to town, meeting with local emergency management officers and checking out the damage in person. "They'll look at debris removal. How much is it going to cost to remove debris from public property? And emergency protective measures, how much is it going to cost with opening up all of their emergency operations centers, for bringing extra police and fire on to help with the event, and also permanent work...fixing the roofs and the bridges and the infrastructure." The preliminary damage assessment is what FEMA's working on in New Hampshire starting Thursday. The process typically takes about four or five days, depending on the damage. Once those rough numbers are compiled, state officials will work with FEMA to determine if the work is something the state can afford. If not, they'll move on to Step 5.

Step 5: Ask The President For A Major Disaster Declaration: Once the preliminary reports trickle in, usually over the course of that first week after a major storm, the state and FEMA sit down and crunch the numbers. They come up with a rough dollar amount that the state just can't pay for disaster relief. Then they'll ask the President to make a Major Disaster Declaration. That authorizes FEMA to start collecting claims from communities, and (theoretically) loosens up disaster relief fund money. This step usually happens a couple of weeks after the storm.

Step 6: First Local Applications: Once the Major Disaster Declaration comes down, damaged communities submit what amounts to a mini-application to participate in the FEMA disaster relief program. That lets them in on Step 7.

Step 7: Briefings: FEMA and state staffers will hold meetings for city and town officials, and explain what's eligible for federal assistance.

Step 8: Request Reimbursement: Since they know what they're looking for, the state, cities and towns can tally-up the Irene-related damages they think are eligible. They'll file their application for aid with FEMA. FEMA will then look through the application, and tell them what they're actually eligible to be reimbursed for.

Step 9: Last Round Of Paperwork: And now that they know exactly what will be covered, the state, cities, and towns can submit their receipts to FEMA for reimbursement.
 
2012-10-29 02:12:34 PM

JackieRabbit: Romney is probably dancing a jig right now because of Sandy. It'shiatting in Obama's stronghold and it's going to hit hard. This will suppress voter turnout next week.


While there's no way to tell if it will affect voter turnout, this would only matter if the election were decided by popular vote.
 
2012-10-29 02:17:29 PM

Hebalo: JackieRabbit: Romney is probably dancing a jig right now because of Sandy. It'shiatting in Obama's stronghold and it's going to hit hard. This will suppress voter turnout next week.

While there's no way to tell if it will affect voter turnout, this would only matter if the election were decided by popular vote.


Not necessarily. Most of the cities in the swing states are in the Eastern part of these states. You know, where we're about get Biblically raped.
 
2012-10-29 02:24:59 PM

Tom_Slick: Shutting down FEMA and shifting the responsibility to other agencies could work, and I could could also get a date with Christina Hendricks.


I bet you could if you brought along a crate of tasty snack cakes.
 
2012-10-29 03:08:00 PM
Thankfully, natural disasters always respect state borders, so this can't possibly fail at all.


20+ beaurocracies with different rules, systems, and technological capabilities would be a much better solution to handling Sandy than one unified front. Right, conservatives? Even better, let's pass the buck down to cities and counties, because surely they can have no problem saving Atlantic City right now.

After all, they can just raid government employee pension funds to pay for everything!
 
2012-10-29 03:11:36 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Thankfully, natural disasters always respect state borders, so this can't possibly fail at all.


20+ beaurocracies with different rules, systems, and technological capabilities would be a much better solution to handling Sandy than one unified front. Right, conservatives? Even better, let's pass the buck down to cities and counties, because surely they can have no problem saving Atlantic City right now.

After all, they can just raid government employee pension funds to pay for everything!


Yes, and instead of activating the National Guard in nearby states, we'll just send them over to fight in Iran.
 
2012-10-29 03:34:09 PM

bluefoxicy: verbaltoxin:

Yes, we should pity you, for having to provide a service you agreed to do when you applied for your license. I applaud your bravery. I'll send you an official bravery sticker you can put on your mil-spec tactical vest or your Skywarn-adorned SUV with the antenna sticking out of it. That way the next time you go to the scene as a "first responder" the EMT's know who they have to move out of the way.

Actually, I applied for my license and was granted when I was 11, in the 90s. Barrack Obama issued the Executive Order that allows the Federal Government to issue mandatory mobilization of amateur radio operators in emergency situations; Bill Clinton was president when I was licensed, and the only thing I agreed to when I got my license was not to use dirty words on the radio or encrypt my communications on public frequencies.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.


serious question:

When was the last time you renewed your radio license?

Not so serious question:

If you have such a problem with the terms if use of PUBLIC airwaves, why have you not stopped using them?
 
2012-10-29 03:37:09 PM

authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser: Oh no! How will people recover from disasters without an inept, quasi-military to provide an official ambiance and impression of organization?

Short answer: Haiti.

Long Answer: Your mom.

Longer Answer: Seriously, just go to Freepland if you want to drop this crap. FEMA may be far from perfect, but to argue that it would be better if every state had a smaller budget for disaster relief and not be able to pool their resources as easily.... is retarded.

Yes; I'm sure Haiti would be at the bottom of the ocean, if it weren't for FEMA. We already have the Red Cross for international relief efforts, which is privately funded and far more proficient with its dollars.

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?


Yeah, that is exactly what would make the current situation so much better.

Cuomo and Christie in a dick waving contest over which one should be in charge of the coordinated relief efforts.
 
2012-10-29 04:14:09 PM

karnal:



Federal money would be needed, especially in the poorer states....but the states would decide how and where the relief money is used.


So you're saying: The poorer states (who vote overwhelmingly (R)) should get federal welfare that other states don't get?
 
2012-10-29 04:23:42 PM
I'm pretty sure FEMA falls under...

"insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare"
 
2012-10-29 04:29:54 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: I'm pretty sure FEMA falls under...

"insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare"


Ppppbt! That's lib talk right dar. Why'd we need to give WELFARE to people so stupid to build there houses in a storms path!?
 
2012-10-29 04:32:48 PM

Leopold Stotch: authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser:

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?

The several states have already established an agreement to provide mutual aid and collaborative disaster relief. It's called the federal government. Why should they make additional, redundant regional agreements when a national structure is already in place?


Well, FEMA would be the redundancy - a rather inefficient one, at that - so, I suppose we're in agreement.
 
2012-10-29 04:35:05 PM

authorizeduser: Leopold Stotch: authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser:

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?

The several states have already established an agreement to provide mutual aid and collaborative disaster relief. It's called the federal government. Why should they make additional, redundant regional agreements when a national structure is already in place?

Well, FEMA would be the redundancy - a rather inefficient one, at that - so, I suppose we're in agreement.


So you're arguing that no central leadership will result in higher efficiencies.

I don't think you understand what you're saying. I think you either need to put down the drugs, or put down the keyboard.
 
2012-10-29 04:56:27 PM

NateGrey: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

No, my attitude towards them was caused by their actions. That's is how grownups behave. I didn't ask what party affiliation they were and they didn't ask mine.

Which is (D), by the way. Although people like you make for irritating tu quoques.

Oh my mistake, I must have you mistaken for another FLMountainMan who posts such Democratic views such as this:

FLMountainMan 2008-07-10 09:44:50 AM
Ah, the ever-tolerant left, basking in the ideological diversity that is America. 

FEMA bad!


Isn't it sad that you consider my views outside the mainstream of the Democratic party? God forbid I not blindly toe the liberal line!

Seriously, the whole thread is just a WTF. I had a bad experience with FEMA and posted about it, therefore I must be a Republican. Because no Democrat has ever had a bad experience with government and if they do, they must never publicize it. The FEMA employees must not have liked me because I'm a (alleged) Republican and the president is Democrat and government employees are all slavishly loyal to their chief executives (which makes me a slave to Rick Scott goddamnitsomuch).

So, in summary, I post about a ridiculous experience I had with FEMA, get called a right-winger and a Republican by people presumably on the left, and you use as evidence that I am a Republican a post I made criticizing the left for being intolerant of diverse views. Despite the fact that I have lobbied for the left, given money to many Democrats, and campaigned for Gore in 2000.

Where did I ever get that crazy intolerance idea from?
 
2012-10-29 05:04:22 PM

FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

No, my attitude towards them was caused by their actions. That's is how grownups behave. I didn't ask what party affiliation they were and they didn't ask mine.

Which is (D), by the way. Although people like you make for irritating tu quoques.

Oh my mistake, I must have you mistaken for another FLMountainMan who posts such Democratic views such as this:

FLMountainMan 2008-07-10 09:44:50 AM
Ah, the ever-tolerant left, basking in the ideological diversity that is America. 

FEMA bad!

Isn't it sad that you consider my views outside the mainstream of the Democratic party? God forbid I not blindly toe the liberal line!

Seriously, the whole thread is just a WTF. I had a bad experience with FEMA and posted about it, therefore I must be a Republican. Because no Democrat has ever had a bad experience with government and if they do, they must never publicize it. The FEMA employees must not have liked me because I'm a (alleged) Republican and the president is Democrat and government employees are all slavishly loyal to their chief executives (which makes me a slave to Rick Scott goddamnitsomuch).

So, in summary, I post about a ridiculous experience I had with FEMA, get called a right-winger and a Republican by people presumably on the left, and you use as evidence that I am a Republican a post I made criticizing the left for being intolerant of diverse views. Despite the fact that I have lobbied for the left, given money to many Democrats, and campaigned for Gore in 2000.

Where did I ever get that crazy intolerance idea from?


There is intolerance on both sides. The point is: look around and digest your fellow Americans and determine who is seething with bigots, morons and ignorance, and which side is tired and getting very impatient (intolerant, if you will) of said bigots and morons.
 
2012-10-29 05:24:38 PM

coeyagi: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

No, my attitude towards them was caused by their actions. That's is how grownups behave. I didn't ask what party affiliation they were and they didn't ask mine.

Which is (D), by the way. Although people like you make for irritating tu quoques.

Oh my mistake, I must have you mistaken for another FLMountainMan who posts such Democratic views such as this:

FLMountainMan 2008-07-10 09:44:50 AM
Ah, the ever-tolerant left, basking in the ideological diversity that is America. 

FEMA bad!

Isn't it sad that you consider my views outside the mainstream of the Democratic party? God forbid I not blindly toe the liberal line!

Seriously, the whole thread is just a WTF. I had a bad experience with FEMA and posted about it, therefore I must be a Republican. Because no Democrat has ever had a bad experience with government and if they do, they must never publicize it. The FEMA employees must not have liked me because I'm a (alleged) Republican and the president is Democrat and government employees are all slavishly loyal to their chief executives (which makes me a slave to Rick Scott goddamnitsomuch).

So, in summary, I post about a ridiculous experience I had with FEMA, get called a right-winger and a Republican by people presumably on the left, and you use as evidence that I am a Republican a post I made criticizing the left for being intolerant of diverse views. Despite the fact that I have lobbied for the left, given money to many Democrats, and campaigned for Gore in 2000.

Where did I ever get that crazy intolerance idea from?

There is intolerance on both sides. The point is: look around and digest your fellow Americans and determine who is seething with bigots, morons and ignorance, and which side is tired and getting very impatient (intolerant, if you will) of said bigots and morons.


Or perhaps to some people it's not about sides at all? (gasp)

/I piss on your partisan hackery
//you are everything wrong with the world today
 
2012-10-29 05:53:55 PM
Story is getting some traction...

Link
 
2012-10-29 06:11:57 PM

FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

No, my attitude towards them was caused by their actions. That's is how grownups behave. I didn't ask what party affiliation they were and they didn't ask mine.

Which is (D), by the way. Although people like you make for irritating tu quoques.

Oh my mistake, I must have you mistaken for another FLMountainMan who posts such Democratic views such as this:

FLMountainMan 2008-07-10 09:44:50 AM
Ah, the ever-tolerant left, basking in the ideological diversity that is America. 

FEMA bad!

Isn't it sad that you consider my views outside the mainstream of the Democratic party? God forbid I not blindly toe the liberal line!

Seriously, the whole thread is just a WTF. I had a bad experience with FEMA and posted about it, therefore I must be a Republican. Because no Democrat has ever had a bad experience with government and if they do, they must never publicize it. The FEMA employees must not have liked me because I'm a (alleged) Republican and the president is Democrat and government employees are all slavishly loyal to their chief executives (which makes me a slave to Rick Scott goddamnitsomuch).

So, in summary, I post about a ridiculous experience I had with FEMA, get called a right-winger and a Republican by people presumably on the left, and you use as evidence that I am a Republican a post I made criticizing the left for being intolerant of diverse views. Despite the fact that I have lobbied for the left, given money to many Democrats, and campaigned for Gore in 2000.

Where did I ever get that crazy intolerance idea from?


Yeah like all Republicans you are full of it.

FLMountainMan 2011-12-06 10:20:20 AM
I'm a registered Republican and literally don't believe a single statement you just typed out. Not one. I can't even think of a Republican friend who believes everything you just wrote (although I admittedly do know some who believe some of those statements).
Link

Why do Republicans have to lie before they tell their made up stories? 

You should of switched to your alt before you claimed you were a Democrat.
 
2012-10-29 06:18:48 PM

coeyagi: authorizeduser: Leopold Stotch: authorizeduser: coeyagi: authorizeduser:

There is nothing preventing states from collaborating directly with one another on relief efforts; nor is there anything preventing states from maintaining a disaster relief budget that properly reflects the challenges of its geographic region. What exactly is it that you think FEMA does that is so proprietary?

The several states have already established an agreement to provide mutual aid and collaborative disaster relief. It's called the federal government. Why should they make additional, redundant regional agreements when a national structure is already in place?

Well, FEMA would be the redundancy - a rather inefficient one, at that - so, I suppose we're in agreement.

So you're arguing that no central leadership will result in higher efficiencies.


One thing the federal government isn't short on is central "leadership". But, no; I wasn't arguing that point, specifically. FEMA is a solution looking for a problem; and will, therefore, always be a bloated, bureaucratic mess that provides very little value for the tax dollars it consumes. States are fully capable of managing their own relief efforts.
 
2012-10-29 06:34:09 PM

authorizeduser: ill, therefore, always be a bloated, bureaucratic mess that provides very little value for the tax dollars it consumes


[citation needed]

There are plenty of operations that are built up as an on-call system. They are never efficient due to the percentage of time they are inactive but that is the price you pay.

It is an insurance policy for the country and, like most insurance policies, they work best when the cost is spread across the largest group.
 
2012-10-29 10:25:36 PM

NateGrey: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan: NateGrey: FLMountainMan:

I am sure you being a Republican had nothing to do with your attitude toward them.

/Vote Republican

No, my attitude towards them was caused by their actions. That's is how grownups behave. I didn't ask what party affiliation they were and they didn't ask mine.

Which is (D), by the way. Although people like you make for irritating tu quoques.

Oh my mistake, I must have you mistaken for another FLMountainMan who posts such Democratic views such as this:

FLMountainMan 2008-07-10 09:44:50 AM
Ah, the ever-tolerant left, basking in the ideological diversity that is America. 

FEMA bad!

Isn't it sad that you consider my views outside the mainstream of the Democratic party? God forbid I not blindly toe the liberal line!

Seriously, the whole thread is just a WTF. I had a bad experience with FEMA and posted about it, therefore I must be a Republican. Because no Democrat has ever had a bad experience with government and if they do, they must never publicize it. The FEMA employees must not have liked me because I'm a (alleged) Republican and the president is Democrat and government employees are all slavishly loyal to their chief executives (which makes me a slave to Rick Scott goddamnitsomuch).

So, in summary, I post about a ridiculous experience I had with FEMA, get called a right-winger and a Republican by people presumably on the left, and you use as evidence that I am a Republican a post I made criticizing the left for being intolerant of diverse views. Despite the fact that I have lobbied for the left, given money to many Democrats, and campaigned for Gore in 2000.

Where did I ever get that crazy intolerance idea from?

Yeah like all Republicans you are full of it.

FLMountainMan 2011-12-06 10:20:20 AM
I'm a registered Republican and literally don't believe a single statement you just typed out. Not one. I can't even think of a Republican friend who believes everything you just wrote (alth ...


That's some damn fine police work there, Lou.
 
2012-10-29 11:36:19 PM
Could you imagine IL having control. We can't even get our governors to stay out of prison. Downstate would be screwed as is the norm.
 
2012-10-30 08:49:24 AM

Farking Canuck: authorizeduser: ill, therefore, always be a bloated, bureaucratic mess that provides very little value for the tax dollars it consumes

[citation needed]

There are plenty of operations that are built up as an on-call system. They are never efficient due to the percentage of time they are inactive but that is the price you pay.

It is an insurance policy for the country and, like most insurance policies, they work best when the cost is spread across the largest group.


It's a superfluous exercise in moving money around. We can agree that "they are never efficient", however.
 
2012-10-30 10:16:32 AM

verbaltoxin:

Pro tip: I'll be a lot less apt to poke fun at you when you're not waving some false equivalency flag in people's faces.


Your argument that X is not as severe as Y and so X is not like Y is fallacious. Being shot in the leg not like being shot in the face be glad you're alive etc etc fark you I got shot you bastard. The government does not have the right to deploy me into a disaster situation with clear environmental danger and possibilities of rioting as if I'm in the state national guard; apparently it has commanded the authority to do so.
 
2012-10-30 10:18:31 AM

DORMAMU:
serious question:

When was the last time you renewed your radio license?


When Bush was in office.
 
2012-10-30 12:11:31 PM

bluefoxicy: verbaltoxin:

Pro tip: I'll be a lot less apt to poke fun at you when you're not waving some false equivalency flag in people's faces.

Your argument that X is not as severe as Y and so X is not like Y is fallacious. Being shot in the leg not like being shot in the face be glad you're alive etc etc fark you I got shot you bastard. The government does not have the right to deploy me into a disaster situation with clear environmental danger and possibilities of rioting as if I'm in the state national guard; apparently it has commanded the authority to do so.


Nice to know you're a giant asshole with a major problem helping out your neighbors during a catostophic disaster.

Stay classy.
 
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