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2012-10-29 08:12:12 AM  
Good luck with that.
 
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2012-10-29 08:23:07 AM  
Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.
 
2012-10-29 08:28:22 AM  
FTA: should either no longer be guaranteed and/or the agency disbanded and left to individual states to handle FEMA's responsibilities.

Sucks to be you, poor states (yes, I know I'm in one).
 
2012-10-29 08:35:37 AM  
Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.
 
2012-10-29 09:03:10 AM  
Well, this certainly provides for the common defense and promotes the general welfare. It will secure the blessings of liberty, too...if we will just elect this great man!
 
2012-10-29 09:04:28 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.


As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.
 
2012-10-29 09:08:42 AM  

Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.


Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?
 
2012-10-29 09:14:56 AM  

Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


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CRIPPLE FIGHT! 
 
 
2012-10-29 09:16:29 AM  
So he's against the Dept of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act now?

This will go over well.
 
2012-10-29 09:17:47 AM  

Cythraul: Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


Why don't we just sell off the places full of useless hipsters, like Seattle and Austin?

Mexico might pay a lot for them.
 
2012-10-29 09:18:04 AM  
So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?
 
2012-10-29 09:18:19 AM  
It's still better than Paul Ryan's plan of just allowing survival of the fittest during disasters in order to thin out the population.
 
2012-10-29 09:18:21 AM  
I'm sure many of the people affected by Sandy will still vote Romney though, because bald eagle, Jesus, and/or white back in the white house.
 
2012-10-29 09:18:28 AM  

Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


Because we like to fight with our Alabamian cousins - before making sweet sweet love to them.

/married an Alabama girl
//not my cousin
 
2012-10-29 09:18:29 AM  
Don't worry, once the storm passes and FEMA is shown to have mitigated the storm's effects, Romney will say he's always supported it and it was his idea in the first place.
 
2012-10-29 09:18:35 AM  

star_topology: So he's against the Dept of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act now?

This will go over well.


Yes, both of which were created by Obama when he went to 2001 in his hot tub time machine.
 
2012-10-29 09:18:42 AM  

Cythraul: Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?


Because they're uneducated and poor?
 
2012-10-29 09:18:48 AM  
Shutting down FEMA and shifting the responsibility to other agencies could work, and I could could also get a date with Christina Hendricks.
 
2012-10-29 09:19:06 AM  
So we have a headline from a crappy blog claiming he is doubling down...and one from huffpo using the exact same statement to say he is flip-flopping. Which is it?
 
2012-10-29 09:19:19 AM  

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


Yes.
 
2012-10-29 09:19:22 AM  

sodomizer: Cythraul: Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?

Why don't we just sell off the places full of useless hipsters, like Seattle and Austin?

Mexico might pay a lot for them.


Hey, whoa, whoa. I like Austin. Can't we just sell off the hipsters?
 
2012-10-29 09:20:05 AM  

Cataholic: So we have a headline from a crappy blog claiming he is doubling down...and one from huffpo using the exact same statement to say he is flip-flopping. Which is it?


Yes.
 
2012-10-29 09:20:31 AM  

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


That is still federal money and more importantly some states subsidizing others. He cant win this argument.
 
2012-10-29 09:20:40 AM  
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2012-10-29 09:21:18 AM  
Major hurricane and potential national disaster a week before the election? There's a flip-flop for that.

Now all we need is Mittens taking credit for the FEMA response as president before election day, and blaming Obama for rising gas prices before the election.
 
2012-10-29 09:21:43 AM  

Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.


Fark it, sell both.

But wait. that puts Louisiana at the bottom then. At least let me move first.
Think of the savings that we could earn by selling the mouth of the Mississippi to say, a shipping interest in Saudi Arabia and then leasing access back from them.
 
2012-10-29 09:22:37 AM  
Wasn't the point of shutting down FEMA to save on federal spending? If you are just going to send blank checks to the states when an emergency happens anyway, what are you saving? WTF is the difference? Is it just me or has "block grants" become the new GOP/conservative golden fleece solution to every perceived problem at the federal level?

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2012-10-29 09:22:46 AM  
Rmoney agrees with you.

Really
 
2012-10-29 09:22:58 AM  

sodomizer: Cythraul: Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?

Why don't we just sell off the places full of useless hipsters, like Seattle and Austin?

Mexico might pay a lot for them.


Yea, Seattle and Austin are only two cities that routinely rank in the top ten of cities with the highest concentration of college degrees. Totally not good resources. At all.
 
2012-10-29 09:23:13 AM  
Mitt should think a bit more about what he's saying.

Florida could not be the state it is without FEMA. FEMA helps run the NFIP, which has saved countless homes in Florida (and until the 2003 season, FL's NFIP ran in the black every year). Of course, most of Florida won't care about this - they'll happily vote Mitt without realizing that the only reason we have a flood insurance program at all - like health insurance for old people - is because the private market won't touch it.

Didn't Bobby Jindal's rise get slowed when he started coming out against federal disaster spending like 2 days before Mt Efrysfrandomuir*static*skyll (the one in Iceland) erupted? And like 2 years after half his economic base got wiped away due to poor state-level disaster planning?

Also, disaster planning/recovery is one of the things the Constitution specifically empowers the feds to do. Unless you think "defence" only refers to "people with guns and a mean glint in their eye".
 
2012-10-29 09:23:41 AM  
What a colossally stupid thing to say on the eve of a natural disaster.
 
2012-10-29 09:24:40 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Cythraul: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?

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CRIPPLE FIGHT!


We should consider giving them Arizona too...one, for the butthurt experienced by the Jan Brewer/Sheriff Joe appreciation society, and two, to keep all the 'tards in the same system...Arizona, Mississippi, and Louisiana, making the backward, racist, homophobic morons in the Arkansas legislature look like liberal rocket scientists whenever possible.
 
2012-10-29 09:25:42 AM  

Brostorm: jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?

That is still federal money and more importantly some states subsidizing others. He cant win this argument.


Nevermind the merits for now, I'd be happy to just know what exactly the argument is?
 
2012-10-29 09:25:47 AM  

wingnut396: Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.

Fark it, sell both.

But wait. that puts Louisiana at the bottom then. At least let me move first.
Think of the savings that we could earn by selling the mouth of the Mississippi to say, a shipping interest in Saudi Arabia and then leasing access back from them.


MarketWatch.com, dated sometime in 2015:

"Bain Capital is pleased to announce it has formally acquired Mississippi from the United States. The Gulf coast is to be downsized and outsourced to India to decrease overhead costs, while the northern portion of the state will be shut down and parted out to Arkansas, Tennessee and Prince Edward Island, Canada."
 
2012-10-29 09:25:51 AM  
assets.nydailynews.com
Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?
 
2012-10-29 09:26:07 AM  

MonkeyAngst: sodomizer: Cythraul: Why is always a fight over Mississippi and Alabama over who is the more uneducated and poor?

Why don't we just sell off the places full of useless hipsters, like Seattle and Austin?

Mexico might pay a lot for them.

Hey, whoa, whoa. I like Austin. Can't we just sell off the hipsters?


The small. semninal Mexican Hipster industry just doesn't have the capacity to absorb that kind of volume.
 
2012-10-29 09:27:11 AM  
It sounds like the perfect opportunity to private disaster relief and let a private equity firm make a lot of money, subsidized by the government.
 
2012-10-29 09:27:40 AM  
CSB: My only personal experience with FEMA was awful. A year ago, my mom's cabin (a second home) on the Sopchoppy River was flooded. So, my now-wife and I go down there and clean it up. As we're wrapping it up for the day, the FEMA guys come by. They ask if we need help, I explain that it's my mom's second home, we're fine, and go find someone who really needs help (we'd been interrupted about every half-hour by "aid" workers, whose "aid" consisted of taking down pages and pages ofinformation as they sat inside their air conditioned car, so I was pretty terse.) They ask if we'll take a ruined mattress off the pile of debris and put it back on so they can photograph the "cleanup". My wife rolls her eyes, but we do it.
I shiat you not - as we lift it back on, two of the FEMA guys swoop in, "help" us lift, and the camera clicks. Unfarking believable. I smirk and ask if the "dog and pony show is finished." They ask if we'll do a fifteen minute interview about how the storm affected us. I again explain it's my mom's second home, we're going to be fine, surely someone else is more deserving. The farking guy actually says that I don't need to mention the "second home" part. I ended it there.
Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.
 
2012-10-29 09:27:56 AM  
Romney to lose voters who want to be counted among those fark has made fun of for never having lived in a disaster area yet managing to not only get relief funds, but somehow have the case thrown out in court. Of course even if they just join those who wind up having to put the money back, they'll still get publicity.
 
2012-10-29 09:28:19 AM  

Elegy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Where are all the private citizens flying their C-130s into the eye of the storm to help us predict the path? Their profit motive and the free market will deliver a TRUE forecast.

I won't believe he's a REAL businessman until he proposes selling our poorest-performing branch office -- MIssissippi -- to Mexico in order to save costs to the company.

As a former Mississippian, I resent that comment, sir.

Alabama is clearly the low performer. We have both Tunica and Biloxi.


You also have ole miss.
 
2012-10-29 09:28:43 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Each state can individually handle the consequences of this with ease, right?


It's a liberal mainstream media conspiracy! We all know the GOP doesn't believe in things like "weather" so it can't really be happening. Also, if you look closely enough all of the 'storm footage' is clearly being generated on a sound stage in NV. Therefore the states can handle this with out interference from the government.
QED
 
2012-10-29 09:29:13 AM  

vpb: Of course the people who think they don't get anything from the government and shouldn't have to pay taxes will scream the loudest when they want help.


When that day comes and they do manage to axe most federal support systems something will happen. How will their screams be answered? With looting, pillaging, riots and their oh so favorite word, rape. They will get a good lesson on the last. A good hard long terrible lesson.
 
2012-10-29 09:29:37 AM  
Somewhat serious question, would Rhode Island be the most efficient state in terms of disaster recovery (Less ground to cover)? But what about funding? I know jack-shiat about the Rhode Island economy, but I'd be interested in how "Leave it to the state" would work for RI versus a state like... I dunno... New York.
 
2012-10-29 09:29:54 AM  

jayhawk88: So clarification here: Is he suggesting that states shouldn't get any money from the fed to help with disasters, or simply that the fed should give money directly to the states and allow them to manage the spending/allocation of it?


Option B. The problem is, that's stupid, because you create redundancies in administration and capabilities, and get less disaster relief for your federal dollar. Often natural disasters cross state lines; good luck getting states to cooperate/share resources. He wouldn't do it, anyway; it's just a shibboleth to try to turn out the anti-gummint voter.
 
2012-10-29 09:30:07 AM  
hilobrow.com
 
2012-10-29 09:30:27 AM  
FTA: "it's difficult to formulate national policy when you don't have your speaking schedule finalized for that day"

That's some funny stuff right there.
 
2012-10-29 09:30:50 AM  
Gawd, I hope this story goes to the liberal media.
 
2012-10-29 09:32:02 AM  

theknuckler_33: Wasn't the point of shutting down FEMA to save on federal spending? If you are just going to send blank checks to the states when an emergency happens anyway, what are you saving? WTF is the difference? Is it just me or has "block grants" become the new GOP/conservative golden fleece solution to every perceived problem at the federal level?

IFeelLikeI'mTakingCrazyPills.jpg


Right, it's not about the money. It's really more about limiting the power of federal government agencies.
 
2012-10-29 09:32:10 AM  

FLMountainMan: CSB: My only personal experience with FEMA was awful. A year ago, my mom's cabin (a second home) on the Sopchoppy River was flooded. So, my now-wife and I go down there and clean it up. As we're wrapping it up for the day, the FEMA guys come by. They ask if we need help, I explain that it's my mom's second home, we're fine, and go find someone who really needs help (we'd been interrupted about every half-hour by "aid" workers, whose "aid" consisted of taking down pages and pages ofinformation as they sat inside their air conditioned car, so I was pretty terse.) They ask if we'll take a ruined mattress off the pile of debris and put it back on so they can photograph the "cleanup". My wife rolls her eyes, but we do it.
I shiat you not - as we lift it back on, two of the FEMA guys swoop in, "help" us lift, and the camera clicks. Unfarking believable. I smirk and ask if the "dog and pony show is finished." They ask if we'll do a fifteen minute interview about how the storm affected us. I again explain it's my mom's second home, we're going to be fine, surely someone else is more deserving. The farking guy actually says that I don't need to mention the "second home" part. I ended it there.
Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.


FLMountainMan: CSB: My only personal experience with FEMA was awful. A year ago, my mom's cabin (a second home) on the Sopchoppy River was flooded. So, my now-wife and I go down there and clean it up. As we're wrapping it up for the day, the FEMA guys come by. They ask if we need help, I explain that it's my mom's second home, we're fine, and go find someone who really needs help (we'd been interrupted about every half-hour by "aid" workers, whose "aid" consisted of taking down pages and pages ofinformation as they sat inside their air conditioned car, so I was pretty terse.) They ask if we'll take a ruined mattress off the pile of debris and put it back on so they can photograph the "cleanup". My wife rolls her eyes, but we do it.
I shiat you not - as we lift it back on, two of the FEMA guys swoop in, "help" us lift, and the camera clicks. Unfarking believable. I smirk and ask if the "dog and pony show is finished." They ask if we'll do a fifteen minute interview about how the storm affected us. I again explain it's my mom's second home, we're going to be fine, surely someone else is more deserving. The farking guy actually says that I don't need to mention the "second home" part. I ended it there.
Now granted, this is just one FEMA team, but they seem to be going a little overboard on the PR department these days.


Remember, they're coming off Heck of a job Brownie. They're bound to be a little desperate.
 
2012-10-29 09:32:39 AM  

LessO2: Gawd, I hope this story goes to the liberal media.


You mean the one that will play Romney's comments, and then play an outdated, out of context Obama quote so they can pretend to be objective?
 
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