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(LA Times)   As Romney moves further towards the center and subsequently tightens the race, many conservative voters are wondering what happened to Paul Ryan   (latimes.com) divider line 110
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2012-10-29 12:10:49 PM  

lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?


All the while fighting the real enemy at home: the obstinate GOP in Congress who would vote against any piece of legislation that would help Obama look better. And fighting them while carrying a smile.
 
2012-10-29 12:11:52 PM  

simplicimus: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Diogenes: Many conservative voters never heard of Faust it seems.

Romney bought the Devil, reorganized him, took the money and outsourced him to China.

It was only Marlowe's Faust. He got it cheap.


I refuse to recognize the Dr. Faustus of that hack. Goethe was a lawyer, and thus had the real world experience in soul selling, and his Faust has much more verisimilitude. Remember kids, write what you know.
 
2012-10-29 12:11:59 PM  

GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying. Mitt is simply the best of a pile of suck. The single thing that has made this campaign close is Obama farking up the Denver debate. That's it. It has nothing to do with the GOP's campaigning.


Yup. Extremely vulnerable incumbent that would have been blown out of the water if the GOP hadn't become an extreme right wing party after the 2008 general.
 
2012-10-29 12:12:28 PM  

GAT_00: lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?

And anyone that came with a comprehensive economic plan would have blown all of that apart.


Comprehensive Economic Plan:
1) Do nothing.
2) ???
3) +12 million jobs over 4 years. Link
 
2012-10-29 12:13:29 PM  

lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?



1) Not blah.
b) Not marxist socialism.
 
2012-10-29 12:13:29 PM  

lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?

And anyone that came with a comprehensive economic plan would have blown all of that apart.

Comprehensive Economic Plan:
1) Do nothing.
2) ???
3) +12 million jobs over 4 years. Link


Maybe "articulated a comprehensive economic plan"?
 
2012-10-29 12:14:09 PM  

MFAWG: Yup. Extremely vulnerable incumbent that would have been blown out of the water if the GOP hadn't become an extreme right wing party after the 2008 general.


Not really true. The fundamentals point to an Obama win by about 1.5 points, as many people in the election forecasting world have pointed out many times.
 
2012-10-29 12:18:44 PM  

sprawl15: [i.imgur.com image 635x357]


Very nice.
 
2012-10-29 12:18:45 PM  

qorkfiend: lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?

And anyone that came with a comprehensive economic plan would have blown all of that apart.

Comprehensive Economic Plan:
1) Do nothing.
2) ???
3) +12 million jobs over 4 years. Link

Maybe "articulated a comprehensive economic plan"?


The Rs are painted into a corner on economic policy. They have to push repackaged Bush policies to get support from the money in the party, but people haven't had enough time to forget what a farking disaster Bush was, so it was either make a futile attempt to polish the turd or be deliberately vague. Romney chose the latter.
 
2012-10-29 12:19:10 PM  
I don't care what position he takes at this point as long as the net result is more liberal tears.
 
2012-10-29 12:21:26 PM  
"Ryan represents everything I disagree with," said O'Kane, who still hasn't settled on a candidate.

And then the undecideds wonder why they get laughed at this close to the election.
 
2012-10-29 12:22:27 PM  
Ryan is keeping his head down, washing the Romney family's clean dishes.
 
2012-10-29 12:22:32 PM  

MechaDupek: I don't care what position he takes at this point as long as the net result is more liberal tears.


Have him take this position again so I can laugh myself to tears:
abcnews.go.com
 
2012-10-29 12:23:40 PM  
Afraid his fate is darker than that.

You remember what happened to Meatloaf in Rocky Horror?

Now Meatloaf is now Romney's BFF. That, and step away from the funny tasting hamburger with eyeballs.
 
2012-10-29 12:25:13 PM  
You jusst know Ryan is the kind of douche at the gym who stands there flexing while looking around to see who notices.
 
2012-10-29 12:28:18 PM  

imontheinternet: qorkfiend: lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?

And anyone that came with a comprehensive economic plan would have blown all of that apart.

Comprehensive Economic Plan:
1) Do nothing.
2) ???
3) +12 million jobs over 4 years. Link

Maybe "articulated a comprehensive economic plan"?

The Rs are painted into a corner on economic policy. They have to push repackaged Bush policies to get support from the money in the party, but people haven't had enough time to forget what a farking disaster Bush was, so it was either make a futile attempt to polish the turd or be deliberately vague. Romney chose the latter.


I'm pretty sure this is just a dry run for 2016, anyway. They can field-test their post-Citizen's United tactics and hone their "message". If Romney wins, cool! If he doesn't, no problem, 2016 awaits.

There's a good possibility that Romney will face a serious primary challenge in 2016, anyway.
 
2012-10-29 12:33:36 PM  

qorkfiend: There's a good possibility that Romney will face a serious primary challenge in 2016, anyway.


Yes. Look at all the serious candidates they mustered this time.
 
2012-10-29 12:34:25 PM  

lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?


Call the healthcare reform bill a corporate hand out till I'm blue in the face, point out that Obama tried to keep us in Iraq, mock him for getting gays the right to die for a country that wont even let them get married and calling it a win, point to his hypocritical crack Downs on mmj dispenseries, never ever shut up about gitmo, condemn the Libya intervention for the warcrime that it was, point out the to big to fail banks are still to big to fail and largly ungoverned, hammer him for extending the patriot act
and so on.
 
2012-10-29 12:34:58 PM  

qorkfiend: I'm pretty sure this is just a dry run for 2016, anyway. They can field-test their post-Citizen's United tactics and hone their "message". If Romney wins, cool! If he doesn't, no problem, 2016 awaits.

There's a good possibility that Romney will face a serious primary challenge in 2016, anyway.


And what the R's (and hopefully but probably not the D's) learned here is you can say anything you want in the primary, you will not be held accountable for it in the general. Remember some of the awesome quotes out of Newt Gingrich during the primary? Link He was on the Sunday morning politics shows yesterday campaigning for Romney. That guy I said was a lying, insincere, out of touch, job-killing corporate raider with no principles who supports radical right wing social engineering? Yeah vote for him.
 
2012-10-29 12:35:09 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: qorkfiend: There's a good possibility that Romney will face a serious primary challenge in 2016, anyway.

Yes. Look at all the serious candidates they mustered this time.


The good candidates knew it would be an uphill battle against an incumbent. They'll jump on the chance of an open seat.
 
2012-10-29 12:35:36 PM  

MFAWG: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying. Mitt is simply the best of a pile of suck. The single thing that has made this campaign close is Obama farking up the Denver debate. That's it. It has nothing to do with the GOP's campaigning.

Yup. Extremely vulnerable incumbent that would have been blown out of the water if the GOP hadn't become an extreme right wing party after the 2008 general.


After?
 
2012-10-29 12:36:23 PM  

lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?


Imma check my files. I'll get white back to you on that...

run a rich, big-haired non-Jewish Heisenberg-Lovitz against him.
 
2012-10-29 12:38:48 PM  

GAT_00: Well, his budget fell flat because people realized it was a piece of crap, and that was the only real reason to pick him.


Ha ha ha. You're so adorable when you imagine Americans can do math.

The flat truth of it is that Paul Ryan is still extemely popular with the same type of people who organize tour busses for their entire church to see "Obama 2016". Those people love him, and will vote for him in droves. The rest of us never see him, because we're not fickung morons.
 
2012-10-29 12:38:56 PM  

DamnYankees: MFAWG: Yup. Extremely vulnerable incumbent that would have been blown out of the water if the GOP hadn't become an extreme right wing party after the 2008 general.

Not really true. The fundamentals point to an Obama win by about 1.5 points, as many people in the election forecasting world have pointed out many times.


The GOP should have at least been able to push Obama harder than they did though. States like Michigan should be in play as opposed to stockpiling rotten eggs in case Romney ever stops his bus here again.

/Let Romney go Bankrupt
 
2012-10-29 12:39:36 PM  
You just know the race is "tightening" in favor of Romney when the Princeton Election Consortium moves Florida and North Carolina (totaling 49 electoral votes) from "lean Romney" to "tossup".
 
2012-10-29 12:42:54 PM  

MayoSlather: Remember when the Romney campaign said they were going to reboot, and we were all like "As if Americans are so stupid they'll just forget all the other stupid stuff he just said." And now we realize just how dumb the American electorate is.


I remember thinking that while the etch-a-sketch comment was dumb the guy was right. A good portion of the American electorate has the memory of twig.
 
2012-10-29 12:43:28 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?

Call the healthcare reform bill a corporate hand out till I'm blue in the face, point out that Obama tried to keep us in Iraq, mock him for getting gays the right to die for a country that wont even let them get married and calling it a win, point to his hypocritical crack Downs on mmj dispenseries, never ever shut up about gitmo, condemn the Libya intervention for the warcrime that it was, point out the to big to fail banks are still to big to fail and largly ungoverned, hammer him for extending the patriot act
and so on.


Couple things:
1. Why is it that this platform would have 70-ish% support among the internet crowd, yet couldn't get elected to a single Congressional District or Senate seat?
2. I think the question was meant as "How does a Republican run against that?" Do it without sounding like Eugene Debs.
3. Regarding the bolded: are you aware that Truman desegregated the military 20 years before SCOTUS decided that laws saying a black person couldn't marry a white person were unConstitutional? Social sea-change - especially as it affects civil rights - sadly takes time to make it to every legal corner. This time around, between DADT/DOMA's passage and their eventual deaths is about 15 years.
 
2012-10-29 12:52:59 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: qorkfiend: There's a good possibility that Romney will face a serious primary challenge in 2016, anyway.

Yes. Look at all the serious candidates they mustered this time.


Well, the genius of a primary challenge is that they don't need a serious candidate to do it. The Republican base already doesn't trust Romney, and I think if someone more palatable like Rick Santorum had peaked earlier he would have won. If the base becomes disillusioned or unhappy with Romney, and Santorum or another "True Conservative" stands up in 2014 or 2015 as a standard-bearer for the base to rally around...
 
2012-10-29 12:57:12 PM  

The Larch: GAT_00: Well, his budget fell flat because people realized it was a piece of crap, and that was the only real reason to pick him.

Ha ha ha. You're so adorable when you imagine Americans can do math.

The flat truth of it is that Paul Ryan is still extemely popular with the same type of people who organize tour busses for their entire church to see "Obama 2016". Those people love him, and will vote for him in droves. The rest of us never see him, because we're not fickung morons.


Well seems to have firm support of 60% of the 31% of Catholics who think social issues are more important than social justice.
 
2012-10-29 12:59:13 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: You jusst know Ryan is the kind of douche at the gym who stands there flexing while looking around to see who notices.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-29 01:05:22 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I love how Conservatives have been against Romney from the start, but feel zero problem voting for him now that he's said fark off to them. They really hate black people that much.


Oh its worse than that. The standard Protestant churches teach how Morons and JW's are the devil. And yet these same religious fundies would rather vote for the devil than the black man.
 
2012-10-29 01:11:13 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Holocaust Agnostic: lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?

Call the healthcare reform bill a corporate hand out till I'm blue in the face, point out that Obama tried to keep us in Iraq, mock him for getting gays the right to die for a country that wont even let them get married and calling it a win, point to his hypocritical crack Downs on mmj dispenseries, never ever shut up about gitmo, condemn the Libya intervention for the warcrime that it was, point out the to big to fail banks are still to big to fail and largly ungoverned, hammer him for extending the patriot act
and so on.

Couple things:
1. Why is it that this platform would have 70-ish% support among the internet crowd, yet couldn't get elected to a single Congressional District or Senate seat?
2. I think the question was meant as "How does a Republican run against that?" Do it without sounding like Eugene Debs.
3. Regarding the bolded: are you aware that Truman desegregated the military 20 years before SCOTUS decided that laws saying a black person couldn't marry a white person were unConstitutional? Social sea-change - especially as it affects civil rights - sadly takes time to make it to every legal corner. This time around, between DADT/DOMA's passage and their eventual deaths is about 15 years.


1) a topic worthy of several books

2) hell, run on that as a Republican too. I'd The Left is going to try and capture one of the big parties might as well go after the good one.

3)well the question was how to run a campaign, not give an objective analysis.
 
2012-10-29 01:19:38 PM  
"Tightens race" Subby?

Princeton

538

Oh yeah. Check out how that's tightening. Why, pretty soon it'll be so tight that Obama will be guaranteed to win.

ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-10-29 01:20:57 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?

Call the healthcare reform bill a corporate hand out till I'm blue in the face, point out that Obama tried to keep us in Iraq, mock him for getting gays the right to die for a country that wont even let them get married and calling it a win, point to his hypocritical crack Downs on mmj dispenseries, never ever shut up about gitmo, condemn the Libya intervention for the warcrime that it was, point out the to big to fail banks are still to big to fail and largly ungoverned, hammer him for extending the patriot act
and so on.


• Some people got a check in the mail recently with their reimbursement for being overcharged thanks to Obamacare. That kinda goes counter to the "corporate handout" thingie.
• Obama ended the war in Iraq.
• Mocking gays dying in the military isn't going to win you votes.
• Not many people care about cracking down on MMJ. Point conceded, you can have the 0.001% vote swing there.
• He still wants to close Gitmo.
• We toppled a dictator. You'd rather have him still in power?
• Wall Street Reform was a step in the right direction. While not optimal, Republicans would repeal it.
• Portions of the patriot act were not extended. The rest are for national security.

Keep in mind while answering the question, Obama is running an election against a Republican. Republicans aren't for closing Gitmo.
 
2012-10-29 01:22:42 PM  
I'm rooting for a 269-269 tie. Romney as President, Biden as VP. For the lulz.
 
2012-10-29 01:25:21 PM  

simplicimus: I'm rooting for a 269-269 tie. Romney as President, Biden as VP. For the lulz.


Does the VP still get to be President if he strangles the life out of the President at an Inaugural Ball?
 
2012-10-29 01:29:02 PM  

Dr Dreidel: simplicimus: I'm rooting for a 269-269 tie. Romney as President, Biden as VP. For the lulz.

Does the VP still get to be President if he strangles the life out of the President at an Inaugural Ball?


No, but I wouldn't have lunch at Number One Observatory Circle for a long time.
 
2012-10-29 01:31:52 PM  

lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?


And how the fark is the election even close, given all of that? And as I sit in CT where the news basically said "expect to be without power for some time" I'm scared all of this will also negatively impact the election for the Democrats. :/
 
2012-10-29 01:31:58 PM  

12349876: Rachel Maddow did a segement about this last week.

Not sure what Ryan is doing now, but last week, he was basically MIA in the swing states and just doing closed door fundraisers.


I have to give Ryan credit for not losing his cool during that debate.

He's like the boxer who can take massive abuse and still remain standing, albeit in a semi comatose state.

At least Palin was out there whippin' up the yahoos at this point rather than going deeper than a Seawolf class
 
2012-10-29 01:49:15 PM  

12349876: The good candidates knew it would be an uphill battle against an incumbent. They'll jump on the chance of an open seat.


Who are these "good" or "serious"? Christie? Rubio? Governor Bat Boy, Vaginal Probe or Volcano Monitorer? Christ, they had to go with Romney this time out. He's not a sacrifice. He's the best they could come up with. Watching the GOP these days is like watching Who Framed Roger Rabbit. You get a couple of moderate Republicans doing the live action while poorly interacting with a host of cartoonish two-dimensional characters like Bachmann or Gingrich.

But in the end your right, I guess. They will be considered a "good" or "serious" candidate because half of the damn country has lost it's farking mind so they will rake in the Red votes just like Mitt is doing now.

Now you've gone and made me sad. Thanks a lot.
 
2012-10-29 01:50:42 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: You jusst know Ryan is the kind of douche at the gym who stands there flexing while looking around to see who notices.


I'm pretty sure he also does the "glamour muscle" workout, grunting like a women's tennis player during every rep.

And he doesn't wipe down the equipment when he's done.
 
2012-10-29 01:53:07 PM  

xanadian: AirForceVet: Where's Paul Ryan? He's hiding under Romney's skirt, of course at home! Washing his tights! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


I lol'd.
 
2012-10-29 02:11:46 PM  

lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?


Well first of all you don't run on gloom, doom and the other guy is bad. You literally take a page from Obama's 04 playbook and run on hope and change. You offer up a comprehensive economic platform that invests in America, lowers barriers to investment, and through that investment grants jobs. You promise to stimulate demand in the US by creating a jobs program.

The Republicans could have beat Obama if they had promised stimulus, investment, and jobs. Instead we got tax cuts, regulation reform, and the same old shiat they have been promising since 2000. They needed to capture what Ronald Reagan did in 1980, and that was the feeling he represented positive change, not the same old failed programs or negative change.

Secondly you needed a candidate that was not locked into CEO mode, the do as I say or else ideal, but someone who could connect to the people. A vice president that is not a farking whack job Randian. You needed a one two team that talked about providing short term government solutions to short term problems that would restore the US to prosperity.

Obama was beatable, if they had offered up hope and change, stimulus and investment, but instead we got fear and doubt, austerity and tax cuts.
 
2012-10-29 02:24:55 PM  

serpent_sky: lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?

And how the fark is the election even close, given all of that?



Easy. Obama murdered an unarmed man while invading sovereign soil and taking all the credit, got us into a 16 trillion dollar deficit with Obamacare insurance giveaway, hasn't turned the economy around fast enough, reduced security in US embassies, proceeded with the withdrawl from Iraq that Bush orchestrated (so not really his doing), improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, will sacrifice our troops safety by sending them home at an announced date, increased the deficit with a failed auto bailout (GM is gonna declare bankruptcy at any moment now), invaded sovereign Libyan soil with warlike aggression, increased the deficit by allowing lazy college kids access to education when they should be bootstrapping, and reduced our defense capacity for Armageddon.
 
2012-10-29 02:35:45 PM  

Lord_Baull: serpent_sky: lennavan: GAT_00: lennavan: The GOP clearly has the superior campaign strategy and there is something to learn from this.

LOL no. Honestly, any decent candidate would have blown Obama out of the water without trying.

Uh, what? In what world do you live in. Obama killed Osama bin Laden, got major health care reform, turned the economy around from losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining 100,000+ a month, beefed up security on our borders, ended one of the wars, improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, created a plan to get out of Afghanistan by 2014, saved the auto industry, aided Libya's removal of Gaddafi at amazingly minimal cost including no troops on the ground and thus no American lives lost, expanded aid to college loans and negotiated a significant reduction in nuclear warheads with Russia to name a few.

How the fark do you run against that?

And how the fark is the election even close, given all of that?


Easy. Obama murdered an unarmed man while invading sovereign soil and taking all the credit, got us into a 16 trillion dollar deficit with Obamacare insurance giveaway, hasn't turned the economy around fast enough, reduced security in US embassies, proceeded with the withdrawl from Iraq that Bush orchestrated (so not really his doing), improved foreign relations, increased rights for gays, will sacrifice our troops safety by sending them home at an announced date, increased the deficit with a failed auto bailout (GM is gonna declare bankruptcy at any moment now), invaded sovereign Libyan soil with warlike aggression, increased the deficit by allowing lazy college kids access to education when they should be bootstrapping, and reduced our defense capacity for Armageddon.

decided to sleep through the first debate for some inexplicable reason.

FTFY
 
2012-10-29 02:49:29 PM  
No, actually, this Conservative is sort of hoping that Paul Ryan will forget to take the oath of office so the Senate can appoint some one who doesn't think Ayn Rand had something to contribute to economics can take the office.

...really if either party enacted policies that looked like they had a passing familiarity with undergraduate intermediate Macroeconomics, that would be great. just great.

//pipe dreams, I know
//half-way through a Lost Decade
 
2012-10-29 02:56:05 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: ...really if either party enacted policies that looked like they had a passing familiarity with undergraduate intermediate Macroeconomics, that would be great. just great.

//pipe dreams, I know
//half-way through a Lost Decade


Americans in general understand Macroeconomics as well as they understand probability.
/Have you bought your lottery ticket today?
 
2012-10-29 02:58:28 PM  

simplicimus: Hunter_Worthington: ...really if either party enacted policies that looked like they had a passing familiarity with undergraduate intermediate Macroeconomics, that would be great. just great.

//pipe dreams, I know
//half-way through a Lost Decade

Americans in general understand Macroeconomics as well as they understand probability.
/Have you bought your lottery ticket today?


No. I only buy Powerball tickets on the 7th, 17th, or 21st. Those are my lucky days.
 
2012-10-29 03:08:38 PM  

simplicimus: Hunter_Worthington: ...really if either party enacted policies that looked like they had a passing familiarity with undergraduate intermediate Macroeconomics, that would be great. just great.

//pipe dreams, I know
//half-way through a Lost Decade

Americans in general understand Macroeconomics as well as they understand probability.
/Have you bought your lottery ticket today?


Expected value when risk-neutral?
 
2012-10-29 03:16:26 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Well first of all you don't run on gloom, doom and the other guy is bad. You literally take a page from Obama's 04 playbook and run on hope and change. You offer up a comprehensive economic platform that invests in America, lowers barriers to investment, and through that investment grants jobs. You promise to stimulate demand in the US by creating a jobs program.

The Republicans could have beat Obama if they had promised stimulus, investment, and jobs.



You run on a platform of doing exactly what Obama did and still wants to do? Not so sure that will be effective.

Slaves2Darkness: Obama was beatable, if they had offered up hope and change, stimulus and investment


Your great opponent is a team identical to Obama/Biden. That makes no sense. Presumably the opposition (R) ticket would have some difference or there's no real point to winning the election.
 
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