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2012-10-30 01:23:59 AM

MrSteve007: Try again. It isn't just a single font color, its changing the document's default colors to match theme.


Well that's nice. Doesn't mean you couldn't make it a customizable toolbar button and still have dropdown menus, or optional dropdown menus and optional toolbar buttons and optional ribbons.
 
2012-10-30 01:58:27 AM
if javascript must be enabled to view this site, then why can I see the entire site behind the message? And why does it still let me scroll?
 
2012-10-30 02:18:51 AM

Babwa Wawa: Generation_D: Why would anyone want an OS that looks like AOL Junior 1996?

NowhereMon: I tried it out, if you have a touch screen PC it is pretty cool. It's pretty useless if you don't.

whistleridge: 7 is in no way outdated yet.

Take aside the interface for a minute. Windows 8 is wicked fast - been running it since RTM, and I'm still getting sub-10 second boot times - it takes longer to go through BIOS than it does to boot the OS and get to a usable screen. Also enjoying the enhanced multi-monitor support, and full-blown Hyper-V. It's quite nice.

I personally prefer the new start menu. I hated it at first, but after I customized it, I have everything that I use on a daily basis in one pane, no scrolling around. And anything I use hourly is on the task bar anyway. The biggest thing I don't like is how some metro-enabled apps would sometimes launch in metro mode when you want them in desktop mode. It seemed to happen willy-nilly at first, but after some poking around and customizing, it doesn't happen anymore.

Just my experience. But if you think the only new thing about Windows is MEtro, you're sorely mistaken.


How do you like the fact that you cannot install any apps from the windows store, even free ones, on a local account. I don't like being forced to login with my email address that is tied to a windows account just to use my computer normally.
 
2012-10-30 02:23:27 AM
Oh yeah, and I forgot that they farked up the update system too. You now only get 2 options in windows 8, download and install automatically, or no updates at all.
 
2012-10-30 02:28:52 AM
And how about having to move my mouse to the extreme edges of the screen to conjure up invisible menus from the digital ether? This is hell on my multi monitor/multi desktop system... Gotta get it juuuuuuuuuust right or I am onto the other computer and cursing the fool who made this pile of crap...
 
2012-10-30 02:44:01 AM
I have no problem whatsoever with Microsoft attempting to reduce the ridiculous boot times for the behemoth that is the Windows operating system. I would love it if they could make it more streamlined and less glitchy and security failure-prone.

But that's all back-end stuff. They didn't have to make the front-end user-facing side look like a retard's version of AOL.
 
2012-10-30 03:11:40 AM

Babwa Wawa: Generation_D: Why would anyone want an OS that looks like AOL Junior 1996?

I personally prefer the new start menu. I hated it at first, but after I customized it...


About right here is where I see a very, very big chunk of the home computer market getting hung up. A lot of my customers couldn't find a string of with both hands and Ctrl + F, let alone being adventurous enough to try and dabble with something more than desktop deep.
 
2012-10-30 03:14:25 AM

Rich Cream: Generation_D: Why would anyone want an OS that looks like AOL Junior 1996?

I know they've always tried to make using a pc simpler for the average person (My Documents) but they went a little too far this time. I just see this.

[img688.imageshack.us image 300x285]


As a side note, I had that exact same one when I was a toddler. I just now remembered that.
 
2012-10-30 03:15:03 AM

Maul555: Oh yeah, and I forgot that they farked up the update system too. You now only get 2 options in windows 8, download and install automatically, or no updates at all.


Oh, wow... major deal breaker.

We still say "deal breaker" in 2012, right?
 
2012-10-30 04:28:15 AM
hmm, I wonder if the Windows 7 "Explorer.EXE" will run on Windows 8.

Start Menu, welcome back, my friend.

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Regarding the whole "if you hate the UI so bad you can customize it, install a Start menu replacement".

This was often the reasoning for why Linux could not compete on the home/business desktop vs Windows, the whole reassigning your steering wheel as the brake discussion of how linux works and why "normal people" can't deal with all the complexity of Linux.

Well now Microsoft is forcing complexity onto people to the point that, eh, the difficulties of Linux really don't look so tough by comparison to all the bullshiat Windows 8 forces you to deal with.

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As someone working in IT, I use group policy to define how the Start menu looks and works. So lets say I use a replacement Start menu from someone else. Sure it may look "Start-menu-ish" on the skin of it, but does it also implement all the back-end group policy and registry controls of the original? I highly doubt it.

We bought windows 7 when it was brand new in 2010, and I don't see us upgrading until we are forced to do so, in 2021 or so.
 
2012-10-30 06:11:35 AM
It looks like a Speak and Spell. Like it was designed by Fisher-Price.
 
2012-10-30 06:50:16 AM

Max Awesome: It looks like a Speak and Spell. Like it was designed by Fisher-Price.


Computers should be that easy.
 
2012-10-30 07:16:17 AM
I don't know what the hell is wrong with you people who couldn't get Vista to work. I'm still running it on 2 computers, and it works fine.
 
2012-10-30 08:02:49 AM

enry: My employer is advising against Win 8, partially because of retraining that's necessary to use it. Now I've been in IT for about 20 years and have used every consumer version of Windows since 1.0. How much training is really necessary?


You don't answer the help desk too much anymore do you?
People are still to stupid to use google to figure out how to do pivot tables, drop downs, or saving as a PDF.
 
2012-10-30 08:43:00 AM

wildlifer: enry: My employer is advising against Win 8, partially because of retraining that's necessary to use it. Now I've been in IT for about 20 years and have used every consumer version of Windows since 1.0. How much training is really necessary?

You don't answer the help desk too much anymore do you?
People are still to stupid to use google to figure out how to do pivot tables, drop downs, or saving as a PDF.


For some people there needs to be only two big buttons on the screen. "Do the thing" and "Stop doing the thing". Even then you have to show them how to use a mouse.

Idiocracy got it spot on with the ER diagnosis screen.
 
2012-10-30 09:37:40 AM

majestic: Dinjiin:

Windows 2000 and XP were both very good versions, and they are side-by-side.



ME was between 2000 and XP.


Also you cant really count 2000 in that cycle. 2000 was a business operating system, and ME was for consumers. ME failed so hard that consumers adopted the business OS that eventually birthed XP...
 
2012-10-30 11:02:27 AM

Rich Cream: Generation_D: Why would anyone want an OS that looks like AOL Junior 1996?

I know they've always tried to make using a pc simpler for the average person (My Documents) but they went a little too far this time. I just see this.


Ha ha that's right!
 
2012-10-30 11:45:27 AM

Caelistis: I am not Linux_Yes by any stretch of the imagination. However, that being said, I use Mint almost exclusively save for the reboot in to Win7 for gaming.

Good shiat, but definitely not ready for the enterprise environment.

Cinnamon > Metro



you would use Mate in an enterprise environment, not cinnamon. ta-dah!
 
2012-10-30 02:38:57 PM

Maul555: Also you cant really count 2000 in that cycle. 2000 was a business operating system, and ME was for consumers.


I disagree. Windows 2000 Professional was for power users with higher-end hardware. Windows ME was for legacy users, especially those with a large base of DOS software that had to run in tandem with Windows software. NT4 was probably the last of the NT series to really be business workstation specific.

Remember that Windows 2000 included hardware accelerated support for GDI and DirectX. It also included automatic hardware detection via ACPI and PnP BIOS extensions. So it was fairly good for home use. I played all of my Windows games under it and rarely had a problem. It really wasn't that much different from XP.
 
2012-10-30 04:13:28 PM

Kazan: NowhereMon: : It's a tablet, it's a laptop , it's a tablet, it's a laptop...

i'm on a horse!


It's a taptop! A laplet!
 
2012-10-30 07:59:00 PM

Modguy: About right here is where I see a very, very big chunk of the home computer market getting hung up. A lot of my customers couldn't find a string of with both hands and Ctrl + F, let alone being adventurous enough to try and dabble with something more than desktop deep.


I think you underestimate the average user. The dynamics and metaphors in iOS and Android are no more alien than those in Windows 8, and I see people being pretty successful with those OSes.

To be sure, there are complete morons out there. But most of the people who are comfortable with computers (nearly the entire working population) will be comfortable with W8 after a quick tutorial.
 
2012-10-30 11:45:44 PM

NowhereMon: A nice tablet running a full version of Windows 8, with a cool flippy keyboard and trackpad: It's a tablet, it's a laptop , it's a tablet, it's a laptop...


This is my laptop:

www.notebook-driver.com

It's a laptop and a Wacom tablet. (It's also seven freakin' years old. And the battery still holds 2hr worth of charge)

Windows 8 will never sully its drives. I like XP far too much.
 
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