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2012-10-29 11:44:51 AM
So will Windows 7 still be available for purchase or as a "downgrade" option? I'm probably 6 months away from buying a new computer.
 
2012-10-29 11:45:01 AM
I looke dinto it and if I had a touchscreen laptop I might consider it, but it doesn't seem very mouse friendly
 
2012-10-29 11:45:05 AM

Lost Thought 00: pkellmey: Windows 8 is ridiculously fast.

There is a caveat to this. Windows 8 is ridiculously fast IF you allow Microsoft to store all your information in their "cloud" and you keep your computer connect to the net at all times. Violate either of those, and it behaves just like every other version of windows and will get bogged down once you've installed a bunch of stuff on it (aka, after using it for a year)


Yes.

In the cloud.

Quite a few companies have policies forbidding it, or have requirements that they need to meet for various kinds of sensitive data.

Good luck explaining to your VP of finance why your credit card database is now sitting at microsoft's server cluster in Quincy, Washington
 
2012-10-29 11:46:48 AM

ColSanders: NowhereMon: I tried it out, if you have a touch screen PC it is pretty cool. It's pretty useless if you don't.

Useless unless you like faster boot times, better performance, better security, and better battery life (The last two I can't confirm yet -- I've only seen them reported).


That didn't require Microsoft removing the Start button, or making the default that UI Metro nonsense. All of the benefits of Windows 8 to desktop users could have been delivered with the same UI as Windows 7 - and been welcomed by users universally and corporate IT departments alike.

I upgraded a new Win 7 PC (no touch screen) to 8. Yeah, some of the interface that is geared specifically toward touch screens is annoying at first, but once you learn a few keyboard shortcuts you get around pretty well. It's not for people who hate change, that's for sure, but I like it so far.

That's the point. You shouldn't have to learn a bunch of keyboard shortcuts to use a GRAPHICAL User Interface. Hovering around a spot on the screen to activate something is nonsense on a desktop with decent screen "real estate" - the pixel budget on a desktop isn't as tight as a phone or tablet, so why do they treat the screen like it is?

It's a huge step backwards. It's worse then a compromise, because it isn't any sort of compromise... it's a complete surrender to the phone/tablet UI mentality. It's also ridiculous that keyboard shortcuts are rationalized as "reasonable" in any sort of way for desktop users, because, hey, what else are they using those silly things for on a desktop?

The best way to explain using 8 on a non-touch screen device is that it's like watching a 3D movie on a standard TV; it doesn't really change the movie, but when a scene comes up that was obviously made to stick out of the screen you notice it and know you're missing the effect.

This makes no sense.

As somebody who has spent 25 years writing software (that users well liked, I might add) to improve productivity, Windows 8 is a painful step backwards in all ways.
 
2012-10-29 11:49:06 AM

LesserEvil: With Windows 8, I feel like "Windows 8 Secrets" would be the manual for doing all the "normal" things I need to do to be productive... need to close an app? Look at secret tip #45.


This I agree with, even though I like 8 overall. Microsoft actually made 8 very Apple-like in some ways. It took me a while to realize that, as with OS X, closing a program doesn't really close it. It's cute that you can swipe down to close an app, but would it have killed them to leave a red X in the corner, too?
 
2012-10-29 11:49:08 AM

Lost Thought 00: pkellmey: Windows 8 is ridiculously fast.

There is a caveat to this. Windows 8 is ridiculously fast IF you allow Microsoft to store all your information in their "cloud" and you keep your computer connect to the net at all times. Violate either of those, and it behaves just like every other version of windows and will get bogged down once you've installed a bunch of stuff on it (aka, after using it for a year)


I've used it off network on a newer laptop and it is still much quicker than Windows 7 (it was newer hardware so maybe more of an optimized driver load difference between OS). The apps launch quicker as well, but again it may just be optimized startup routines for Win 8 written apps. I've been evaluating it for enterprise since beta and RTM and I've had mostly positive experiences with it's performance off-network so far.
 
2012-10-29 11:49:18 AM

Babwa Wawa: Just my experience


Congratulations, you are not a literal pants-pissing baby.
 
2012-10-29 11:49:55 AM

StrikitRich: Krieghund: I have little demand for Windows 8, because I'm still happy with Windows 7.

Meanwhile, the major corporation I now work for is still has us using XP because they're married to the customized version they force on us. Can believe how slow it runs on an i7.


XP can not use multi-core processors properly. You are probably better off with an old single core processor then a modern multi-core...
 
2012-10-29 11:52:41 AM

extroverted_suicide: Actual headline is "Poll: Scant demand for Microsoft's Windows 8".

Now see the picture right below that headline. Gee, I farking wonder why?

If a single major business in the world (other than MS) upgrades to Windows 8, I will be completely floored. OTOH, I am betting sales of 7 will spike very soon, if they haven't already.


I work on the worlds largest intranet, and we have no plans to integrate a Windows 8 build for machines on that network. 400,000+ machines. The company I work for **IS** excited about Windows 8, though - but only on the hardware side. I suspect that has more to do with licensing and our relationship with Microsoft though. They were just as excited about Vista when it came out, for the same reasons (Our Intranet customers shunned Vista, too). Windows 7 will be the gold standard for corporate IT for 90~95% of the companies out there for some time. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been invested in desktop applications and nobody is interested in spending more money to redo all of that into Metro-compliant "apps", nor spend wads of cash on retraining millions of workers. Microsoft is insane for thinking they can push that, either.
 
2012-10-29 11:56:18 AM
Touch gestures = yes.
Mouse gestures = no way.
 
2012-10-29 11:57:26 AM

Generation_D: I think IT departments didn't ask for this crap, I think legacy apps won't support it, and I think Microsoft just carelessly pushed a shiat-ton of whizz-bang off on the business world who only wanted security patches and incremental improvements.

Can't wait to see how all these "faster better" dorked up security. Because thats usually the trade off.

For home users without tech savvy, perhaps this is better.

For the workplace I just don't see it


I agree with your assessment about businesses. But that's not what MS is targetting. It's very, very clear that this release was not targetted for businesses - hell, you can't even join RT to a domain.

The default build for business laptops is going to be Win7 for the next few years. That's no different than the slow migration of XP to 7. But I won't go back, because the speed improvements and ability to run a true hypervisor on my lappie makes this a no-brainer.

People will get over the lack of a start menu just as soon as I did. Can anyone claim that the Mac OS dock is better than Metro?
 
2012-10-29 11:57:36 AM

enry: My employer is advising against Win 8, partially because of retraining that's necessary to use it. Now I've been in IT for about 20 years and have used every consumer version of Windows since 1.0. How much training is really necessary?


For the average office drone, I'd say quite a lot. I consider myself quite computer savvy and have just upgraded to 8 from XP, their $40 deal was to good to pass up, and even the "traditional" desktop, not Metro, is way different to XP, Vista and 7. Seriously different. Lots of controls are hidden and you have to do non-intuitive things like put the mouse in a corner and wait for a menu to pop up. And no Start button, no My Computer etc.

With the Metro side optimised for tablets and touch control why the hell didn't they just leave the traditional desktop alone, just a facelift of 7? They have changed tons of things just for the hell of changing them, like Ford bringing out a car with the accelerator pedal on the left, the brake on the right and the clutch in the middle. There's no technical reason not to do that, and once you learn it you'll be fine. But it makes the transition a PITA.

And in Metro (I don't know what else to call it) things are seriously unintuitive as well, even worse than Desktop. The number of times I am in an App and don't know how to exit it or how to change things is just stupid, and they don't talk. Metro Chrome and Desktop Chrome don't share bookmarks for example.. I suspect I will just never see/use Metro at all.

Once I downloaded Classic Shell (Start8 is another one) it made it much easier.
And it is fast, the backup tools look good, I like the pining programs to the task bar and the dual monitor functions will be good (as soon as my new video card arrives. Old one wasn't W8 compatible.)
 
2012-10-29 12:00:22 PM

macdaddy357: Looks like Windows 3.1 with slightly better graphics. I don't want that! I want the start button and a simple list of my stuff.


I downloaded Classic Shell and it works a treat. Start 8 looks good as well.
 
2012-10-29 12:01:07 PM

Babwa Wawa: Can anyone claim that the Mac OS dock is better than Metro?


No but I can claim that it lets me achieve what TIFKAM does (launch programs) without taking up THE ENTIRE FARKING SCREEN
 
2012-10-29 12:02:58 PM

LesserEvil: Microsoft is insane for thinking they can push that, either.


Ms should have just pushed out Metro for tablets and fancy touch screen laptops, while keeping Windows 7 as the desktop OS. More focus on the back end type things, letting tablets run full Windows apps, making WinRT suck less, lots of flawless integration via associating a device to a Windows Live account, etc. Then in a couple years some VP or Present will want the same interface on his work laptop that the tablet he watches porn on at home has. So he'll come knocking on IT's door and demand a network wide upgrade. That's MS's cue to step in and offer Windows 8 for the with Metro to enterprise folk (and with a classic boot option to avoid pissing off the backend folk).

As it stands they just make the whole Win8 ecosystem unattractive since it has such a high up front knowledge cost. It's better to follow the iPhone model. For awhile a lot of execs carried both a Blackberry and an iPhone or iPhone 3G. They finally got sick of dual phones and demanded iPhones be allowed on the corporate network and low and behold now iOS devices are common in corporate environments. Right now there is no emotional investment in the OS so all the execs hear is "We'll loose X billion in productive hours as people learn the new UI." You need them thinking "I want my shiny new toy on the company network" to get something new in the door.

/our intranet still has Win2k boxes on it
//a lot of them
 
2012-10-29 12:08:48 PM
Installed 8 on Friday, and like it so far. Yes, it's fast.

The apps store is mostly meh right now. That will pick up though.

Go to the edge to bring up your old desktop if that's what you want.
 
2012-10-29 12:09:13 PM

Lost Thought 00: pkellmey: Windows 8 is ridiculously fast.

There is a caveat to this. Windows 8 is ridiculously fast IF you allow Microsoft to store all your information in their "cloud" and you keep your computer connect to the net at all times. Violate either of those, and it behaves just like every other version of windows and will get bogged down once you've installed a bunch of stuff on it (aka, after using it for a year)


First thing I did was to install Thunderbird so I could keep all my old emails from Outlook on my own hard drive.

/Have every email I have sent and received since 2001.
//You have to install Thunderbird before installing W8, convert all the files, then install Thunderbird again in W8.
///It's still nice and quick.
 
2012-10-29 12:10:28 PM

mjohnson71: So will Windows 7 still be available for purchase or as a "downgrade" option? I'm probably 6 months away from buying a new computer.


AFAIK it is if you buy a PC with W8. If you go with the W8 Pro for $40 offer like I did then you can't.
 
2012-10-29 12:12:20 PM

Slaves2Darkness: And you demonstrate why Windows 8 is a loser. It may be fast, but if I have to customize the start menu,


You never customized the start menu? Let's face it, the start menu itself was fairly useless by the time W7 rolled around. I would pin things to the taskbar or first level of the start menu anyway from the get go. Once set up, I would rarely navigate to the "All Programs" submenu. With Windows 8, I right click and remove stuff I don't want, go to all apps and pin stuff that I want. It really is a very similar operation, and it's not something that's going to confuse most users.

Slaves2Darkness: If I have to either create a custom setup or a bunch of instructions for my users to set the operating system up to what they are used to, well then it is a loser and not worth my time.


Yeah, I agree that some people are going to need some hand-holding, but I think it's going to be less than most IT folks think. As I've posted earlier, this is not a release targeted toward the enterprise - it's v1.0 of a UI model that MS is thinking people will acclimate themselves with it using consumer-targeted devices like phones, tabs, etc.
 
2012-10-29 12:15:51 PM

ha-ha-guy: Thats No Moose: My laptop is 4.5 years old, runs Vista like a dream, though I must be the only person in the world to say that. I use W7 at work and I love it, and wouldn't mind sticking to it... that said, I'm not too bothered about getting W8. never really been resistant to change after having gone through the UIs of 3.1, 95-98-2000, XP (mostly run in Classic mode except at work where I had no choice), Vista and 7. Worst case, there's Start8.

Nope, one of my MediaPCs is still running Vista, runs great and I've never gotten around to update it. As long as you did a clean install of Vista (ideally with a post SP1 disc) you pretty much can't tell it apart from Win7.

/that's likely the reason 7 was so awesome at launch, it was really just Vista SP 2.5 with some branding changes


And working drivers. And realistic advertised system requirements.
 
2012-10-29 12:19:31 PM

moel: No but I can claim that it lets me achieve what TIFKAM does (launch programs) without taking up THE ENTIRE FARKING SCREEN


I observe people with their Mac dock, scrolling back and forth trying to find the app they want to launch. 5-10 seconds or longer is not uncommon. Entire screen or no, Metro's a good way to get what you want quickly.
 
2012-10-29 12:29:52 PM
Complainers in 2009 = Ugggh! When will Microsoft get with the program and release an OS that is designed for a touchscreen!?!

Complainers in 2012 = Ugggh! My start menu is now designed to work with both a touchscreen and a mouse. The world's going to end!!!
 
2012-10-29 12:31:28 PM

LesserEvil:
I work on the worlds largest intranet.


DoD?
 
2012-10-29 12:31:43 PM
Thats your defence?
"I've seen people take up to 10 seconds finding something on their dock?"
That's it?

I'm sorry, but thats a user having too many things on his dock. Also Apple helpfully dump your Apps folder on there, which is spring loaded and in alphabetical order. (Which is a damnsight easier to navigate than the haphazard mess TIFKAM became after i installed Office Pro Plus on there)

Other helpful differences include OS X only containing ONE update facility (not two that both require running independently)
A working mail app amongst others..
 
2012-10-29 12:32:22 PM
It's not because I haven't forgiven them for Vista; it's because I haven't forgiven them for ruining Office. I'm afraid Windows 8 will do to Windows what Office 2010 did to Office 2003.
 
2012-10-29 12:33:29 PM
As a system administrator for a department in a state university, I wish to express how enthusiastically I have been looking forward to not upgrading our Windows 7 systems to Windows 8.

/It almost rivals my enthusiasm for not seeing Twilight: Breaking Dawn Part 2.
//Almost.
 
2012-10-29 12:35:39 PM
 
2012-10-29 12:36:57 PM

ha-ha-guy: Ms should have just pushed out Metro for tablets and fancy touch screen laptops, while keeping Windows 7 as the desktop OS


It's a shame then, that Microsoft is forcing all enterprises to upgrade from Windows 7 to 8 within the next six months.

More seriously - what you outline is exactly what I believe Microsoft's strategy to be. MS knows damned well enterprises wouldn't upgrade even if Windows 8 shat rainbows - most have too much invested in Win7 over the last two years for another desktop upgrade. So they might was well make Windows 8 about the consumer and early adopter.
 
2012-10-29 12:39:08 PM

SuperT: LesserEvil:
I work on the worlds largest intranet.

DoD?


It would have to be just the NMCI network.
 
2012-10-29 12:42:18 PM
Here's my take on Win8. I tried to Consumer Preview on a VM and didn't much care for it. Things looked and acted different and I just didn't feel like spending the time to learn it. On Friday I bought a new SSD (128GB Samsung 830 for $69.99!) so I figured I'd try Win8 again. First impressions is that it's lightning fast. I'm sure a lot has to do with the SSD but I have a WIn7 test box at work with an SSD and it's no where near as fast.. As others have said, POST takes longer than the the Win8 load time. As far as the new UI..first, Metro doesn't need to be used if you don't like it. It's one simple click to get into Desktop when the PC first boots (and I believe there's a way to configure it to auto load into Desktop). Once you're in desktop mode, it's mostly like Win7 or any other OS. The Start Menu is obviously missing...which annoys me, just leave the friggen icon on the task bar! But it's easy to get to...just move the mouse slightly further to the left of where the Start Menu used to be and click. I have no idea why MS did that and it makes absolutely no sense but whatever. Once you're in the Start Screen, all you Metro apps and your traditional Desktop programs are right there. If you want you can sub divide the programs you can do so but unless you've got an unwieldy amount, it's unnecessary. If there's something you can't find on the Start Screen, just start typing and it auto searches as you type. So far I've found it to be very accurate at finding what I'm looking for. For example, if you want to get into the Services.msc just hit the Windows key (or open the Start Menu with the mouse) and type "services". It will show up on the list of results before you finish typing word. It works exactly the same way as it did in Win7 except it's full screen instead of the traditional Start Menu. Other than that, it pretty much works like a Win7 machine, only significantly faster.

As far as Metro...well you don't have to use it if you don't want to. Everything you did on Win7 can be done on Win8 in the Desktop mode. If you choose to use it, it is pretty clunky with a keyboard and mouse, IMO. It's not very intuitive and the gestures and hard to do. That said, I imagine if you used it as it was meant to be used, on a touch screen, it'd make a lot more sense and be easier to use.

Keep in mind, the entire purpose of this dual purpose OS is to get you used to using Windows RT (you couldn't have come up with a sexier name, MS?) and then be able to use the same apps and interface on your desktop if you choose. They want to build an ecosystem that incorporates the desktop and the tablet/phone into one UI. How successful that will be remains to be seen but so far my initial impressions is that it can work very well.
 
2012-10-29 12:45:49 PM
I decided to go to a store and try it. And it was as bad as I thought it would be. Now obviously that means that I went into it with some bias, but here was what I didn't like..

1) The Control Panel is now "Settings" but has about as many options as Android, instead of the myriad advanced settings I have in Windows 7
2) Instead of hitting the Windows key and starting to type to search for something (the MS version of Spotlight) now you need to go over to the far right, hover until a bar comes up, click Search, and then start typing. It needs to be an easily accessible button.
3) Metro and all the new "apps" are designed for full screen, including this fancy version of a Start Menu. And I don't like anything being full screen on my combined 3200x1050 dual monitor setup.
4) Mail, Calendar, and People are all Hotmail/Live based. Obviously they want us using their products. But I use Google like a lot of people so this just turns me off.

Microsoft should get the point, and leave the entire Windows 7 line available, and market Win8 for the portable computing environment it was clearly designed for. I haven't used Mac OS X in a while, but last I checked they don't use iOS for their Macbooks. And that's what this feels like.
 
2012-10-29 12:49:00 PM

MrSteve007: Complainers in 2009 = Ugggh! When will Microsoft get with the program and release an OS that is designed for a touchscreen!?!

Complainers in 2012 = Ugggh! My start menu is now designed to work with both a touchscreen and a mouse. The world's going to end!!!


Why was it necessary to remove the Start button, My Computer etc from the traditional desktop to make it touch compatible?

Desktop PCs and tablets are like cars and bikes. Should some car/bike manufacturer like Honda bring out a unified set of controls for both their cars and bikes? Should car controls be changed drastically to make them "more bike like"? Take away that accelerator pedal, put a twist throttle on the steering wheel! You'll get used to it!

No one is complaining that they added touch screen functions. They're complaining because they took away mouse functions that millions of people were used to that could have been kept without compromising the touch functions in any way.
 
2012-10-29 12:49:00 PM
Win8 is about ten times better when you actually use it right. Having a 10 minute preview in a store doesn't give you the full feel for it. After spending ten minutes customizing it (which was incredibly easy to do), I'm already far happier than I was with Win7, which says a lot.
 
2012-10-29 12:50:33 PM

Flint Ironstag: MrSteve007: Complainers in 2009 = Ugggh! When will Microsoft get with the program and release an OS that is designed for a touchscreen!?!

Complainers in 2012 = Ugggh! My start menu is now designed to work with both a touchscreen and a mouse. The world's going to end!!!

Why was it necessary to remove the Start button, My Computer etc from the traditional desktop to make it touch compatible?

Desktop PCs and tablets are like cars and bikes. Should some car/bike manufacturer like Honda bring out a unified set of controls for both their cars and bikes? Should car controls be changed drastically to make them "more bike like"? Take away that accelerator pedal, put a twist throttle on the steering wheel! You'll get used to it!

No one is complaining that they added touch screen functions. They're complaining because they took away mouse functions that millions of people were used to that could have been kept without compromising the touch functions in any way.


Because Metro replaces the Start Button and "My Computer" was only a shortcut. You can still do the exact same thing (actually, more) in 8 than 7 in Computer.
 
2012-10-29 12:51:54 PM

Gig103: 2) Instead of hitting the Windows key and starting to type to search for something (the MS version of Spotlight) now you need to go over to the far right, hover until a bar comes up, click Search, and then start typing. It needs to be an easily accessible button.
3) Metro and all the new "apps" are designed for full screen, including this fancy version of a Start Menu. And I don't like anything being full screen on my combined 3200x1050 dual monitor setup.


2. Search also works just like before. You can still just hit the Windows key and start typing - your search comes up full screen.

3. They're designed for full screen, and being "pinned" to the side of the screen. I enjoy pinning the music app to the side while using the regular desktop. Then using the windows key + to split my open applications to either half of the remaining screen. With a dual 27" monitor setup, it's stupid simple to get 5 side-by-side applications running at the same time.
 
2012-10-29 12:52:00 PM
Tried it when I went to Best Buy yesterday for something else. I think Ballmer is so desperate to make a new fad he's betting the whole company on this (stupid) idea.
 
2012-10-29 12:54:42 PM
Once again, still using Vista, still works great. Haters can suck it and suck it hard.
 
2012-10-29 12:57:00 PM

ShadowLAnCeR: Once again, still using Vista, still works great. Haters can suck it and suck it hard.



just keep that antivirus program up to date and be careful what you click on. (;
 
2012-10-29 12:57:25 PM

Gig103:
2) Instead of hitting the Windows key and starting to type to search for something (the MS version of Spotlight) now you need to go over to the far right, hover until a bar comes up, click Search, and then start typing. It needs to be an easily accessible button.


You can still hit the windows key and start typing to search.
 
2012-10-29 12:58:37 PM

lilbjorn: Everyone knows that every other Microsoft OS is utterly useless.




Repaired
 
2012-10-29 12:59:30 PM

Sargun: Flint Ironstag: MrSteve007: Complainers in 2009 = Ugggh! When will Microsoft get with the program and release an OS that is designed for a touchscreen!?!

Complainers in 2012 = Ugggh! My start menu is now designed to work with both a touchscreen and a mouse. The world's going to end!!!

Why was it necessary to remove the Start button, My Computer etc from the traditional desktop to make it touch compatible?

Desktop PCs and tablets are like cars and bikes. Should some car/bike manufacturer like Honda bring out a unified set of controls for both their cars and bikes? Should car controls be changed drastically to make them "more bike like"? Take away that accelerator pedal, put a twist throttle on the steering wheel! You'll get used to it!

No one is complaining that they added touch screen functions. They're complaining because they took away mouse functions that millions of people were used to that could have been kept without compromising the touch functions in any way.

Because Metro replaces the Start Button and "My Computer" was only a shortcut. You can still do the exact same thing (actually, more) in 8 than 7 in Computer.


So instead of clicking Start then the program I want, or ALL Programs, then what I want) I now have to find the three pixels in the corner, wait for a pop up to appear, click Metro, then scroll sideways to find what I want? That's a pain.

And Metro programs and Desktop programs don't talk. On Desktop I have all my bookmarks bar in Chrome. In Metro Chrome has none of my bookmarks. Open Chrome in Metro and it is full screen only. What if I want a small Chrome window and something else, that is already open in Desktop, open? I can only do that in Desktop, which means I can't use the Metro as a Start button to open it.
 
2012-10-29 12:59:50 PM
7 works great for me.

I was one of the poor idiots who got suckered in to using Windows ME.

Not going to fall for it again. If 8 is in use and stable for a couple years I'll think about it. But I seriously doubt that's gonna happen.
 
2012-10-29 01:00:09 PM

Lumpmoose: After a decade of using Windows on home-brew machines, I gave up trying to get Vista to work reliably and bought a Mac. So yeah, pretty much (and I survived Windows ME).



Mac is good. Unix under the hood. you made the right move but i don't have to tell you that.

be sure and keep that antivirus up to date. snicker.
 
2012-10-29 01:00:46 PM
FWIW I feel nowhere near the level of excitement I had when DOS 6.0 was released.
 
2012-10-29 01:01:57 PM

StrikitRich: Krieghund: I have little demand for Windows 8, because I'm still happy with Windows 7.

Meanwhile, the major corporation I now work for is still has us using XP because they're married to the customized version they force on us. Can believe how slow it runs on an i7.



nothing quite as satisfying as Vendor Lock-in.

smart companies are going to Linux. except the big ones. they have their tongue's up Ballmer's ass and they do what he tells them to do.
 
2012-10-29 01:02:09 PM

Flint Ironstag: Why was it necessary to remove the Start button, My Computer etc from the traditional desktop to make it touch compatible?


Sausage fingers. No other touch device has navigable submenus.
 
2012-10-29 01:02:35 PM
The funny thing is, if Windows 8 were more like Windows 7, they probably would have sold more copies. IT departments on XP right now and contemplating a switch would be more likely to move to 8 instead of 7 if 8 wasn't such a Frankenbeast.
 
2012-10-29 01:02:48 PM

macdaddy357: Looks like Windows 3.1 with slightly better graphics. I don't want that! I want the start button and a simple list of my stuff.



its called eye candy. it looks so neat!
 
2012-10-29 01:03:58 PM

clkeagle: Lost Thought 00: Krieghund: I have little demand for Windows 8, because I'm still happy with Windows 7.

They'll be releasing some updates soon in order to fix that problem

Not if they ever want another enterprise customer.

Hint: Microsoft didn't make their billions from home users.



no they didn't. but they sure f*ked 'em good anyways. here's your PC , Sir. and no, you have to run windows. because we said so.

its called Freedom, sir.
 
2012-10-29 01:07:08 PM

Flint Ironstag: Desktop PCs and tablets are like cars and bikes. Should some car/bike manufacturer like Honda bring out a unified set of controls for both their cars and bikes? Should car controls be changed drastically to make them "more bike like"? Take away that accelerator pedal, put a twist throttle on the steering wheel! You'll get used to it!


Nice example. Actually, Honda did exactly that in the 1970's with their motorcycles, and the rest of the industry followed suit in the following years (Honda unified the brakes on the right side of the bike and shifting on the left. Before that, both American and British bikes had the foot brake and shifters on opposing sides).

Flint Ironstag: Why was it necessary to remove the Start button, My Computer etc from the traditional desktop to make it touch compatible?


Pretty much, yes, unless you want a big ass icon that eats up screen space vs. a swipe gesture for touch / corner icon for mouse. After using a Surface RT over the weekend, and Win 8 on my laptop/docked workstation, it makes a lot of sense. I was frustrated for the first couple hours, but once I learned the UI, I like it quite a bit. It's very flexible across multiple devices and uses.
 
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