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2012-10-29 08:55:46 AM
Why would anyone want an OS that looks like AOL Junior 1996?

pants on fire stupid stuff from Redmond, and no amount of attempted hipster branding is going to change it.
 
2012-10-29 09:45:51 AM
Hey, you insist on selling a desktop OS and force me to browse it like a tablet? Cool... Let me know how that works out.

It's also pretty neat to see Microsoft tell enterprises to f*ck off. I'm sure that's a sound strategy that would never cause businesses to ignore another OS release...
 
2012-10-29 10:06:38 AM
That, and 7 is in no way outdated yet.

If I could use XP for 8 years, no problem, I don't see any reason why I shouldn't get the same sort of life out of 7. Especially since big OS changes mean issues with a lot of the other programs I've purchased. Even if 8 didn't look totally idiotic (and it does), I would see zero reason to change. It ain't broke, after all...
 
2012-10-29 10:07:56 AM
I tried it out, if you have a touch screen PC it is pretty cool. It's pretty useless if you don't. The Levovo Yoga is really cool, I can see that being the road warrior go to device for the next 6 months or so. A nice tablet running a full version of Windows 8, with a cool flippy keyboard and trackpad: It's a tablet, it's a laptop , it's a tablet, it's a laptop...
 
2012-10-29 10:31:47 AM

Generation_D: Why would anyone want an OS that looks like AOL Junior 1996?


NowhereMon: I tried it out, if you have a touch screen PC it is pretty cool. It's pretty useless if you don't.


whistleridge: 7 is in no way outdated yet.


Take aside the interface for a minute. Windows 8 is wicked fast - been running it since RTM, and I'm still getting sub-10 second boot times - it takes longer to go through BIOS than it does to boot the OS and get to a usable screen. Also enjoying the enhanced multi-monitor support, and full-blown Hyper-V. It's quite nice.

I personally prefer the new start menu. I hated it at first, but after I customized it, I have everything that I use on a daily basis in one pane, no scrolling around. And anything I use hourly is on the task bar anyway. The biggest thing I don't like is how some metro-enabled apps would sometimes launch in metro mode when you want them in desktop mode. It seemed to happen willy-nilly at first, but after some poking around and customizing, it doesn't happen anymore.

Just my experience. But if you think the only new thing about Windows is MEtro, you're sorely mistaken.
 
2012-10-29 10:32:29 AM

NowhereMon: : It's a tablet, it's a laptop , it's a tablet, it's a laptop...


i'm on a horse!
 
2012-10-29 10:35:38 AM
I thought everybody knew to use every other new OS from Microsoft...2000, XP, 7...I'll be waiting for whatever comes AFTER 8.
 
2012-10-29 10:41:44 AM
I have little demand for Windows 8, because I'm still happy with Windows 7.
 
2012-10-29 10:45:11 AM
I'm pretty happy with Windows 7 Ultimate thank you very much.
 
2012-10-29 10:46:27 AM
The tiles remind me of a cash register at McDonalds with pictures of the food instead of numbers.
 
2012-10-29 10:46:45 AM

whistleridge: That, and 7 is in no way outdated yet.


^This^. Even if Windows 8 is the best thing since sliced cheese, the biggest problem Microsoft has is that 7 is still awesome.

I have no intention of ever "upgrading" a perfectly fine Windows 7 computer to 8. But when I ever get around to buying a new computer, it'll probably be an 8 machine.
 
2012-10-29 10:47:27 AM

Krieghund: I have little demand for Windows 8, because I'm still happy with Windows 7.


They'll be releasing some updates soon in order to fix that problem
 
2012-10-29 10:51:04 AM
Demand will mostly come from the demand for new PC's which isn't terribly high but it's a constant inevitability that makes for a nice quarterly statement. Not a lot of people rush out and spend $150 for an OS upgrade to an existing computer excepting the 'enthusiasts' .

I can't see business moving anytime soon as most have barely got around to finishing Windows 7 and 8 is far too wacky to switch to right now.

Over the next 2 years it will have a substantial install based. People may end up hating it like Vista but they will have to deal with it.
 
2012-10-29 10:51:27 AM

Krieghund: I have little demand for Windows 8, because I'm still happy with Windows 7.


Meanwhile, the major corporation I now work for is still has us using XP because they're married to the customized version they force on us. Can believe how slow it runs on an i7.
 
2012-10-29 10:53:29 AM
After a decade of using Windows on home-brew machines, I gave up trying to get Vista to work reliably and bought a Mac. So yeah, pretty much (and I survived Windows ME).
 
2012-10-29 10:53:43 AM

Lost Thought 00: Krieghund: I have little demand for Windows 8, because I'm still happy with Windows 7.

They'll be releasing some updates soon in order to fix that problem


Not if they ever want another enterprise customer.

Hint: Microsoft didn't make their billions from home users.
 
2012-10-29 10:55:44 AM

Lumpmoose: After a decade of using Windows on home-brew machines, I gave up trying to get Vista to work reliably and bought a Mac. So yeah, pretty much (and I survived Windows ME).


you used vista and ME?

Well, at least you didn't follow that up with a third terrible waste of your moneyohmygodyou bought a mac too??

Do you pour sugar into your own gas tank?
 
2012-10-29 10:55:50 AM
I'll think about upgrading in about 8 years, when Win 7 support ends.
 
2012-10-29 11:02:30 AM
I feel the same way about this as I do about hurricane Sandy. I'm supposed to pay attention, but I just don't care.
 
2012-10-29 11:03:10 AM
Add me to the Windows 7 works great and when I need a new computer I will change camp. My desk top is 2 years old my Laptop 6 months old so I will upgrade in about 2 years.

Now that said if it really works the way they claim, and I can have one Operating System and the same software on my Computers, Tablet, and Phone. I can how it can really be useful. Hell Javascript on my phone would be great.
 
2012-10-29 11:04:19 AM
My employer is advising against Win 8, partially because of retraining that's necessary to use it. Now I've been in IT for about 20 years and have used every consumer version of Windows since 1.0. How much training is really necessary?
 
2012-10-29 11:06:20 AM
Everyone knows that every other Microsoft OS is utterly useless.
 
2012-10-29 11:06:20 AM
Just got a new laptop Friday. I figured it would show up with 7 and a coupon or some shiat but no, factory installed windows 8. I want to complain about it but seeing as how I was able to get it all configured and set up vpn/remote desktop and load all my google crap and office and accounting programs in just a couple hours after having never seen it before and not reading any tutorials... I figure everyone will get over it.

My two cents - I'm sort of determined to see how they want me to use it, just so I'll know. I support 20 pc's at work and it's coming so I figured someone should know how to work it. Frankly I thought it would be worse - here's the thing - if you are freaking out, there's a desktop button. Move that desktop button over to the left side of the metro. Push it. Ta da - now it looks just like every msft OS you've ever seen. If you are really freaked out just install one of those free start button widgets.

I'll say this - it's fast.
 
2012-10-29 11:08:01 AM

Cubansaltyballs: Hey, you insist on selling a desktop OS and force me to browse it like a tablet? Cool... Let me know how that works out.

It's also pretty neat to see Microsoft tell enterprises to f*ck off. I'm sure that's a sound strategy that would never cause businesses to ignore another OS release...


I installed it on my (ironically) iMac yesterday and spent the day using it. Its stable, fast, and Microsoft finally managed to create an installation and setup experience that doesn't suck. It also ran everything I owned including games (spent a few hours playing Old Republic although the new Visio preview wouldn't install) which was darn impressive after the disaster of upgrading from XP to Windows 7 a year ago. The positive vibes ended there.

But I found myself frequently switching between the legacy interface and the new metro interface. Updating of apps from the new app store was confusing and I really didn't know the status of an application installation (it took an hour just for RDP to appear after I kicked off the install from the store). The new metro interface and its supporting applications love doing everything in full screen mode which made doing anything outside of checking a twitter feed a royal pain. There is a reason I have a 27" screen and Win8 seems to want to take away all the advantages of it. Overall - I thought it was a confusing mess to use. But at least its a stable confusing mess to use. But I suspect that would improve as application support gets there.

I don't see businesses adopting this anytime soon. Its too radical of a change, offers little benefit, and besides - most businesses just got off XP (or in the process of it). This is a transitional operating system and I would advise most people to skip it until the next version.
 
2012-10-29 11:10:28 AM

JohnBigBootay: I support 20 pc's at work and it's coming so I figured someone should know how to work it.


If you're reliant on group policy do yourself a huge favor and start working on it now. The new group policy options to manage Windows 8 are a terrible burden if you don't have the policy set EXACTLY as you want it from the first time you start deploying new 8 machines. In our lab we wound up with half the damn things covered in apps that were there and took up tile space (initially, anyway) but couldn't be launched while the other half didn't have those apps from the start. Very annoying.
 
2012-10-29 11:10:59 AM

enry: My employer is advising against Win 8, partially because of retraining that's necessary to use it. Now I've been in IT for about 20 years and have used every consumer version of Windows since 1.0. How much training is really necessary?


A lot. It fundamentally changes how you interact with applications and the OS. Your administrative assistants are going to freak out more about this than the Wordperfect to Microsoft Word switch you forced on them two decades ago.

/shudder at those memories
 
2012-10-29 11:14:10 AM
Looks like Windows 3.1 with slightly better graphics. I don't want that! I want the start button and a simple list of my stuff.
 
2012-10-29 11:16:07 AM

Generation_D: Why would anyone want an OS that looks like AOL Junior 1996?


I know they've always tried to make using a pc simpler for the average person (My Documents) but they went a little too far this time. I just see this.

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2012-10-29 11:16:27 AM

gingerjet: enry: My employer is advising against Win 8, partially because of retraining that's necessary to use it. Now I've been in IT for about 20 years and have used every consumer version of Windows since 1.0. How much training is really necessary?

A lot. It fundamentally changes how you interact with applications and the OS. Your administrative assistants are going to freak out more about this than the Wordperfect to Microsoft Word switch you forced on them two decades ago.

/shudder at those memories


WHAR START MENU WHARRRR

/really. it's farking awful. I love WP7. I don't want it on my PC.
 
2012-10-29 11:17:07 AM
Vista SP1 and later actually wasn't bad. Normally by SP1 or SP2 at the latest, the MS product tends to be fine. We've all just learned not to buy MS products at launch. Win7 is really the oddball in that it was great at launch.
 
2012-10-29 11:18:10 AM
I am not Linux_Yes by any stretch of the imagination. However, that being said, I use Mint almost exclusively save for the reboot in to Win7 for gaming.

Good shiat, but definitely not ready for the enterprise environment.

Cinnamon > Metro
 
2012-10-29 11:18:50 AM
As a touch screen OS Windows 8 looks awesome. For conventional displays, Windows 7 is just fine. On the latter front, Microsoft is a victim of its own success. Hard to sell a new razor when the old one is doing just fine...
 
2012-10-29 11:20:48 AM

Cubansaltyballs:
It's also pretty neat to see Microsoft tell enterprises to f*ck off.


Why would any enterprise WANT to switch to a touch screen oriented OS this early in the game? MS is just being realistic for a change. They know Windows 7 is their bread and butter in that segment.
 
2012-10-29 11:21:28 AM

MurphyMurphy: Lumpmoose: After a decade of using Windows on home-brew machines, I gave up trying to get Vista to work reliably and bought a Mac. So yeah, pretty much (and I survived Windows ME).

you used vista and ME?

Well, at least you didn't follow that up with a third terrible waste of your moneyohmygodyou bought a mac too??

Do you pour sugar into your own gas tank?


I think I got both OSes through academic give-aways or discounts.

I work in IT. That last thing I want to do at home is spending MORE time fixing computers, software or hardware. My Macbook Pro is still going strong after 4 years.
 
2012-10-29 11:21:44 AM

bhcompy: gingerjet: enry: My employer is advising against Win 8, partially because of retraining that's necessary to use it. Now I've been in IT for about 20 years and have used every consumer version of Windows since 1.0. How much training is really necessary?

A lot. It fundamentally changes how you interact with applications and the OS. Your administrative assistants are going to freak out more about this than the Wordperfect to Microsoft Word switch you forced on them two decades ago.

/shudder at those memories

WHAR START MENU WHARRRR

/really. it's farking awful. I love WP7. I don't want it on my PC.


It is a shame, because Vista/Win7 had hit the zenith of the start menu. It was smart in autopinning things (and you could say go to the pinned Word icon and then launch a specific recent document). If it wasn't autopinned, start typing its name and the search function found it quickly. It was the best of the Start Menu and Apple's quick search combined into one menu.

Now we just have change for the sake of change. I bet the tiles thing is awesome on the tablet or the phone where it is a touch screen. However I'm using a computer with a full sized farking keyboard. Make sure of the fact I have a keyboard you worthless farks who design UI.
 
2012-10-29 11:21:48 AM
Probably because as mentioned tens of thousands of times, Win 7 a) just came out and b) still works like a dream. Why the hell would I switch to a tablet type when I 3-D draft as part of my living?

I feel really bad for shooter-type gamers though. Tap *HEADSHOT* Tap *HEADSHOT*. No challenge anymore.
 
2012-10-29 11:22:10 AM
Doesn't Windows always sell slowly at the start? MS have never had the cult of personality that Apple has that makes customers want to queue outside the shop from the previous week. They'll get their sales from people having no alternative when they replace their existing PCs. Familiarity breeds customers I guess.

My laptop is 4.5 years old, runs Vista like a dream, though I must be the only person in the world to say that. I use W7 at work and I love it, and wouldn't mind sticking to it... that said, I'm not too bothered about getting W8. never really been resistant to change after having gone through the UIs of 3.1, 95-98-2000, XP (mostly run in Classic mode except at work where I had no choice), Vista and 7. Worst case, there's Start8.
 
2012-10-29 11:22:19 AM
What did they farking expect? You spend 17 years getting people accustomed to one way of doing things...the Start button. Then you eliminate it. It would have been one thing if it had been a gradual switch, giving users the option to go back to the Start Button/menu. But to make a radical change like that and expect consumers to adopt it? Someone at Microsoft must be stoned.

Additionally (and I've said this before), the Enterprise will not switch to Windows 8. Many companies are still on XP and are in the process of migrating to Windows 7. I can't see a situation where a company will embrace Windows 8 because of the amount of retraining it will require.

Furthermore, they've made the same UI changes to Server 2012. WTF Microsoft? I don't need the same farking interface that I'd have on a tablet on a server. Despite the fact that I'm more a VMware/Storage guy, I still have to do some support on the OSes. Thankfully, RedHat isn't stupid enough to make such radical changes.
 
2012-10-29 11:26:21 AM
Velvista wasn't bad after SP1; my desktop at home still runs it. People forgot how farking awful XP was pre-SP2.

As for my next one, I plan to build a Win8 machine. Just hasn't been terribly high priority. Getting a new MBP is more important, since my old Macbook is on its last legs.
 
2012-10-29 11:27:00 AM

Thats No Moose: My laptop is 4.5 years old, runs Vista like a dream, though I must be the only person in the world to say that. I use W7 at work and I love it, and wouldn't mind sticking to it... that said, I'm not too bothered about getting W8. never really been resistant to change after having gone through the UIs of 3.1, 95-98-2000, XP (mostly run in Classic mode except at work where I had no choice), Vista and 7. Worst case, there's Start8.


Nope, one of my MediaPCs is still running Vista, runs great and I've never gotten around to update it. As long as you did a clean install of Vista (ideally with a post SP1 disc) you pretty much can't tell it apart from Win7.

/that's likely the reason 7 was so awesome at launch, it was really just Vista SP 2.5 with some branding changes
 
2012-10-29 11:28:05 AM

NowhereMon: I tried it out, if you have a touch screen PC it is pretty cool. It's pretty useless if you don't.


Useless unless you like faster boot times, better performance, better security, and better battery life (The last two I can't confirm yet -- I've only seen them reported).

I upgraded a new Win 7 PC (no touch screen) to 8. Yeah, some of the interface that is geared specifically toward touch screens is annoying at first, but once you learn a few keyboard shortcuts you get around pretty well. It's not for people who hate change, that's for sure, but I like it so far.

The best way to explain using 8 on a non-touch screen device is that it's like watching a 3D movie on a standard TV; it doesn't really change the movie, but when a scene comes up that was obviously made to stick out of the screen you notice it and know you're missing the effect.
 
2012-10-29 11:33:45 AM
I upgraded the other day and have been pleasantly surprised. Sure, there's a bit of a learning curve but once you get it down, I think it's better than Windows 7 in almost every way. The substantially improved search is almost worth the price of admission alone.
 
2012-10-29 11:34:07 AM
The general consensus is that Windows 8 is great for mobile platforms with touchscreens, awful for desktop environments.

Microsoft shills can give it a rest... we know there are keyboard shortcuts and all that, and that you don't miss the start button. The reality is that 30 years of UI research has refined windowed UIs where Windows 7 is pretty much optimal. Nobody should be required to remember obscure keyboard shortcuts because Microsoft thought it would be a good idea to remove buttons and visual cues users have grown accustomed to in order to homogenize their desktop and mobile operating systems.

The sad reality is that Windows RT is NOT Windows 8, though they share the Metro compatibility. Windows RT looks fantastic for a touchscreen UI.... kudos to Microsoft for that. Windows 8 throws out too much and makes painful assumptions about productivity on the desktop. Metro could have been integrated better as a windowed interface, but it didn't suit marketing goals.... and what does that say about Windows 8? To me, placing marketing above 30 years of research tells me I should avoid it like the plague.

I used to like reading about "Windows secrets" - books and articles written to give you little tidbits of information that would make Windows even more powerful, offering up new features that were just cool, even if they didn't impact my usual productivity. With Windows 8, I feel like "Windows 8 Secrets" would be the manual for doing all the "normal" things I need to do to be productive... need to close an app? Look at secret tip #45. Wondering how to cut and paste between applications? Secret tip #198 using [Metro key]+[ALT]+C, curly swipe, double tap, cross-swipe, [Windows]+[Shift]+V to paste.

WTF?

It isn't evolutionary. It's design driven by marketing people who have no clue on what real people do on computers on a daily basis.
 
2012-10-29 11:35:06 AM
Windows 8 is ridiculously fast. Plus, you can customize the experience to appear mostly like Windows 7, which is why no one is going out of their way for this OS. I'm buying my first laptop hybrid in a month or so, so I will definitely enjoy Windows 8 on a touch screen computer. However, if you don't want the hassle/benefit of a touchscreen on your desktop, there is very little reason to upgrade.
 
2012-10-29 11:37:26 AM

Babwa Wawa: Generation_D: Why would anyone want an OS that looks like AOL Junior 1996?

NowhereMon: I tried it out, if you have a touch screen PC it is pretty cool. It's pretty useless if you don't.

whistleridge: 7 is in no way outdated yet.

Take aside the interface for a minute. Windows 8 is wicked fast - been running it since RTM, and I'm still getting sub-10 second boot times - it takes longer to go through BIOS than it does to boot the OS and get to a usable screen. Also enjoying the enhanced multi-monitor support, and full-blown Hyper-V. It's quite nice.

I personally prefer the new start menu. I hated it at first, but after I customized it, I have everything that I use on a daily basis in one pane, no scrolling around. And anything I use hourly is on the task bar anyway. The biggest thing I don't like is how some metro-enabled apps would sometimes launch in metro mode when you want them in desktop mode. It seemed to happen willy-nilly at first, but after some poking around and customizing, it doesn't happen anymore.

Just my experience. But if you think the only new thing about Windows is MEtro, you're sorely mistaken.


I think IT departments didn't ask for this crap, I think legacy apps won't support it, and I think Microsoft just carelessly pushed a shiat-ton of whizz-bang off on the business world who only wanted security patches and incremental improvements.

Can't wait to see how all these "faster better" dorked up security. Because thats usually the trade off.

For home users without tech savvy, perhaps this is better.

For the workplace I just don't see it.
 
2012-10-29 11:38:08 AM
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2012-10-29 11:38:55 AM

Babwa Wawa: Generation_D: Why would anyone want an OS that looks like AOL Junior 1996?

NowhereMon: I tried it out, if you have a touch screen PC it is pretty cool. It's pretty useless if you don't.

whistleridge: 7 is in no way outdated yet.

Take aside the interface for a minute. Windows 8 is wicked fast - been running it since RTM, and I'm still getting sub-10 second boot times - it takes longer to go through BIOS than it does to boot the OS and get to a usable screen. Also enjoying the enhanced multi-monitor support, and full-blown Hyper-V. It's quite nice.

I personally prefer the new start menu. I hated it at first, but after I customized it, I have everything that I use on a daily basis in one pane, no scrolling around. And anything I use hourly is on the task bar anyway. The biggest thing I don't like is how some metro-enabled apps would sometimes launch in metro mode when you want them in desktop mode. It seemed to happen willy-nilly at first, but after some poking around and customizing, it doesn't happen anymore.

Just my experience. But if you think the only new thing about Windows is MEtro, you're sorely mistaken.


And you demonstrate why Windows 8 is a loser. It may be fast, but if I have to customize the start menu, and figure out how to set the farking thing to desktop mode right out of the box then I don't want it. Win XP & 7 were pretty standard and most desktop users are comfortable with them right out of the box. If I have to either create a custom setup or a bunch of instructions for my users to set the operating system up to what they are used to, well then it is a loser and not worth my time.

Besides I'd rather be pushing Linux desktops instead of MS, if the changeover is too costly/large it may finally push corporate over to my point of view.
 
2012-10-29 11:40:04 AM
Actual headline is "Poll: Scant demand for Microsoft's Windows 8".

Now see the picture right below that headline. Gee, I farking wonder why?

If a single major business in the world (other than MS) upgrades to Windows 8, I will be completely floored. OTOH, I am betting sales of 7 will spike very soon, if they haven't already.
 
2012-10-29 11:40:57 AM

pkellmey: Windows 8 is ridiculously fast.


There is a caveat to this. Windows 8 is ridiculously fast IF you allow Microsoft to store all your information in their "cloud" and you keep your computer connect to the net at all times. Violate either of those, and it behaves just like every other version of windows and will get bogged down once you've installed a bunch of stuff on it (aka, after using it for a year)
 
2012-10-29 11:43:36 AM

whistleridge: That, and 7 is in no way outdated yet.

If I could use XP for 8 years, no problem, I don't see any reason why I shouldn't get the same sort of life out of 7. Especially since big OS changes mean issues with a lot of the other programs I've purchased. Even if 8 didn't look totally idiotic (and it does), I would see zero reason to change. It ain't broke, after all...


I've said this here on Fark before, but I'll lay it down one more time. I really think MS took a look at 7 and said "Oh shiat. We have another XP on our hands. We made this too good and 10 years from now people will still be using it. Quick, release garbage! Get 7 off the shelves pronto so we can guarantee a fresh revenue stream when we put out Windows 9 in two years!"
 
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