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2012-10-29 08:26:52 AM  
Romney: Keeping it real.

Or not. He hasn't decided. How do you want him to keep it?
 
2012-10-29 08:29:04 AM  

Frederick: shower_in_my_socks: Romney: "The Federal agency that I don't believe in better not screw up its response to a storm strengthened by a global warming phenomenon that I also don't believe in."

Any good conservative already knows global warming is a hoax; it's Obama's misuse of HAARP that is causing the natural disasters.


This is what my girlfriend's stepdad actually believes...
 
2012-10-29 08:29:49 AM  

vartian: Romney could walk into the middle of a park, shoot a dog in the head, and immediately condem everyone for letting him shoot that dog, and 40% of this country would still vote for him. This changes nothing.


That dog deserved it! What was he doing suspiciously roaming about in that park, anyway? And there's a leash law!
 
2012-10-29 08:30:12 AM  
I think we should plant this as an idea for the far right and tea groups. Get their governors and federal reps to sign a pledge to not request federal aid for disasters.
 
2012-10-29 08:31:41 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It will be SO much better to have 50 different EMAs controlled by legislatures packed with lawmakers who ask Grover Norquist's permission to use a second square of toilet paper and then seeing people trapped on rooftops waving over a Private Rescue helicopter...and seeing the crew lower a credit card swiper before lowering the basket.

"Who knows Morse Code for 'No, we don't take Discover?'"


-. --- / .-- . / -.. --- -. .----. - / - .- -.- . / -.. .. ... -.-. --- ...- . .-.

/someone was gonna do it
 
2012-10-29 08:32:36 AM  
Can we wrap Mitt in copper wire and place him inside a magnetic field.
I'm sure he spins fast enough to generate a few megawatts / hour.
 
2012-10-29 08:37:38 AM  
I came here for people who have no idea of FEMA's functions during disasters talking about disbanding the agency because all it really does is hand out money.

Leaving very, very happy to see that there are many of them on fark.

For farks sake.
Educate Yourself
You loook like less of an idiot.
 
2012-10-29 08:39:21 AM  

timujin: It's an illogical use of resources. No matter what state you're in, a certain amount of your state's funds are allocated to emergency response. And may be enough for most problems. However, to have a force capable of dealing with the extremes, those problems that only come along once every few years or decades, would require allocating money for personnel, facilities and supplies that would spend the rest of the time doing nothing. Having that "extra firepower" centralized so that it can be allocated in one state this year, another the next, spreads that cost around and allows the individual states to use their resources for other, more pressing issues.


Well I suppose some states could get together and decide to spread around the risk and agree to some mutual support.
A sort of United group of States. But at all costs keep the government out of it. Right?
 
2012-10-29 08:40:21 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: I think we should plant this as an idea for the far right and tea groups. Get their governors and federal reps to sign a pledge to not request federal aid for disasters.


Please. Just last year, Rick Perry was talking tough about Texas seceding, then started begging for federal money once the Texas wildfires started.

Republican governors are like teenagers who tell their parents to go fark themselves, then ask if they can borrow the car five minutes later.
 
2012-10-29 08:40:39 AM  
You know, I get the whole "states' rights" thing. I really do. But there really ARE some things that should be handled on a federal level. Take disaster assistance, for example. When a massive disaster strikes, it can cost billions of dollars. An individual state can't handle that. Next, you have to have 50 different disaster agencies, with 50 sets of paid administrators, heads, managers, directors, sets of staff, whatever the fark. 50 different logo designers. 50 different large headquarters. That's real money... money that could be used to actually help in a disaster. Finally, say each state could expect an average of 1 large disaster a year. That's an entire agency worth of staff, millions of dollars worth of equipment and tools, and all that crap that just sits there 11 months out of the year. Per state!

I'm sorry, but the current arrangement is fine. Sure, it needs some tweaking and some adjustments to make it more efficient and responsive, but that can be done. The states have their smaller agencies that assist with the myriad smaller disasters- a windstorm here, a large fire that affects 100 people there, etc. and the feds can deal with the big stuff. In a cash- strapped society, it's by FAR the more cost- effective way to do it.
 
2012-10-29 08:41:33 AM  

born_yesterday: Romney: Keeping it real.

Or not. He hasn't decided. How do you want him to keep it?


Exactly, he says what the group in front of him want to hear, the next day does the same thing, even if he completely contradicts what he said the day before. And no one is calling him on it.
FFS America, what are you a battered girlfriend? Lie to me Honey, tell me all the sweet things (you'll never do).
 
2012-10-29 08:42:38 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: wongway: Do Dem-o-rat gov's know how to even call for help?

Dem's are just that stupid.


best part... forever!

(Damn, what was that guy's name? Been so long since he's posted, I can't remember)


winterwhile

The colossal idiot has taken his derp international since leaving Fark. Here he is on the Guardian website a couple of days ago:

Link

Just scroll down to the furst comment, and you can see him trying to derail the thread from the outset, and generally making the American right look incredibly stupid in the eyes of the Brits.

Don't be deceived by the way he's gotten over 50 upvotes, they're from all the other Romney supporters who've taken it upon themselves to flood every Guardian thread about the US elections over the last few weeks.

These idiots know they're not making a difference by trolling American websites, so now they're lashing out at the British.
 
2012-10-29 08:45:45 AM  
While the potential for human loss is staggering, I have to wonder, has Obama even considered what this could do to Arabian horses in the affected areas?
 
2012-10-29 08:46:48 AM  
Just to put it out there, FEMA is a tertiary responder. First responders are your local fire department, police department, and EMS agency.
 
2012-10-29 08:47:39 AM  
I am just asking................


....................questions?
 
2012-10-29 08:48:38 AM  

TV's Vinnie: All Team Obama needs to do now is to run an ad that shows footage of the hurricane with Rmoney's FEMA comments over it, and he could coast all the way to Victory next week.

But then again, only Rmoney likes to take political advantage of disasters that hurt people.



so much this
 
2012-10-29 08:49:03 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: Meanwhile, Chris Christie canceled a trip to campaign for Romney to go back to NJ and tell the press that Obama is awesome for his response to the storm so far.


Christie, who frequently spouts the "Party of personal responsibility" party line, also ordered the barrier islands evacuated, saying it was "common sense".

If Christie were a real Republican, he would have let people make their own decisions.
 
2012-10-29 08:51:00 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: teto85: Mittens ist ein arseloch Arschloch.

Aber du bist richtig

 

zwei großen "A"
 
2012-10-29 08:53:10 AM  

Trapper439: LeoffDaGrate: wongway: Do Dem-o-rat gov's know how to even call for help?

Dem's are just that stupid.


best part... forever!

(Damn, what was that guy's name? Been so long since he's posted, I can't remember)

winterwhile

The colossal idiot has taken his derp international since leaving Fark. Here he is on the Guardian website a couple of days ago:

Link

Just scroll down to the furst comment, and you can see him trying to derail the thread from the outset, and generally making the American right look incredibly stupid in the eyes of the Brits.

Don't be deceived by the way he's gotten over 50 upvotes, they're from all the other Romney supporters who've taken it upon themselves to flood every Guardian thread about the US elections over the last few weeks.

These idiots know they're not making a difference by trolling American websites, so now they're lashing out at the British.


He just couldn't compete any more here, so he had to go to Europe to make sure his talents were appreciated.
 
2012-10-29 08:57:56 AM  
He will blame the president for closing the stock markets today, resulting in the slowed growth of american business.

Ah the disconnect. It tastes rather like cake.
 
2012-10-29 09:01:34 AM  

wongway: So just how will FEMA fix the OBAMA disaster?

25 Million out of work

16 Trillion in Debt?

Can anyone imagine whats thats going to look like if Obama get back in?

Can we all just Say Greece?


Account created: 2012-10-17 19:02:23

Did Greece cut spending??!?
 
2012-10-29 09:01:54 AM  

timujin: t's an illogical use of resources. No matter what state you're in, a certain amount of your state's funds are allocated to emergency response. And may be enough for most problems. However, to have a force capable of dealing with the extremes, those problems that only come along once every few years or decades, would require allocating money for personnel, facilities and supplies that would spend the rest of the time doing nothing. Having that "extra firepower" centralized so that it can be allocated in one state this year, another the next, spreads that cost around and allows the individual states to use their resources for other, more pressing issues.


You mean like sharing?
 
2012-10-29 09:03:20 AM  

Trapper439: LeoffDaGrate: wongway: Do Dem-o-rat gov's know how to even call for help?

Dem's are just that stupid.


best part... forever!

(Damn, what was that guy's name? Been so long since he's posted, I can't remember)

winterwhile

The colossal idiot has taken his derp international since leaving Fark. Here he is on the Guardian website a couple of days ago:

Link

Just scroll down to the furst comment, and you can see him trying to derail the thread from the outset, and generally making the American right look incredibly stupid in the eyes of the Brits.

Don't be deceived by the way he's gotten over 50 upvotes, they're from all the other Romney supporters who've taken it upon themselves to flood every Guardian thread about the US elections over the last few weeks.

These idiots know they're not making a difference by trolling American websites, so now they're lashing out at the British.


lol thanks for the link. Thats hilarious.
 
2012-10-29 09:04:19 AM  
Ah... remember 2004 when conservatives pretended to care about Kerry flip-flopping on Iraq and how that showed he wasn't presidential material. And that was just one issue.

Good times.
 
2012-10-29 09:05:23 AM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Ah the disconnect. It tastes rather like cake.


So what you're saying here is... The lie is a cake?
 
2012-10-29 09:10:40 AM  

wongway: So just how will FEMA fix the OBAMA disaster?

25 Million out of work

16 Trillion in Debt?

Can anyone imagine whats thats going to look like if Obama get back in?

Can we all just Say Greece?


Best part...forever?

/Did Cleverbot get assigned a Fark account?
 
2012-10-29 09:10:51 AM  

coco ebert: An honest question for conservatives or Republicans: without referencing Obama or the Democrats, can you please explain how you reconcile voting for a man who has such a careless disregard for consistency of any kind? How do you know what he believes in or what he will do when president?


They cannot possibly answer that question with the parameters you have set. It is therefore an unfair question.
 
2012-10-29 09:14:20 AM  
"We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids," Romney replied. "It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we'll all be dead and gone before it's paid off. It makes no sense at all."

Ah yes. And the best way to insure the future of our kids is to cut the taxes for the wealthy thereby insuring the future for YOUR kids.
 
2012-10-29 09:19:01 AM  

coco ebert: An honest question for conservatives or Republicans: without referencing Obama or the Democrats, can you please explain how you reconcile voting for a man who has such a careless disregard for consistency of any kind? How do you know what he believes in or what he will do when president?


Romney is white.

2nd Amendment, State's Rights, Abortion (Pro-Birth), Gay Marriage, Unemployment, Interracial Marriage, Communism, Socialism, Sharia Law, Marxism, Benghazi, 9/11, Burquas, Welfare Queens, Iran, Israel, Muslim Countries, China, EPA Regulations, Evolution Conspiracy, School Prayer, Global Warming Conspiracy, Drill Baby Drill, Keystone Pipeline, oh yeah, and the Economy.
 
2012-10-29 09:19:05 AM  
False dichotomy is false.
 
2012-10-29 09:22:05 AM  
Mitt Romney doesn't care about white people.
 
2012-10-29 09:30:43 AM  

brigid_fitch: Nope--the state has to declare a state of emergency and request assistance from FEMA. In fact, that was a contributing factor to the Katrina fiasco. Gov. Blanco didn't declare a state of emergency soon enough, delaying aid. Granted, the entire situation still managed to get royally botched from there, but the delay in requesting additional aid certainly didn't help them any.



Revisionist History (actually, a botched article from the Washington Post that screwed up the time line for Katrina which has lead to this continuing INCORRECT portrayal of events.)

In fact, Gov Blanco declared a statewide state of emergency Sept 26 and requested that the Federal Govt (FEMA) forward her the official papers to request Federal assistance. Those were sent to her on Sept 27, she signed them and returned them immediately, and the Bush administration (FEMA) authorized FEMA to assist with disaster relief. (Which in affect, put them in control) The Gov took those steps nearly immediately upon learning from the National Weather service that the storm would landfall in Louisiana. Also, it should be noted that Federal troops and assistance, were actually dispatched, or in the process of being transported to Louisiana on the 26th, as soon as the Gov declared a state of emergency and notified the local FEMA office of same.

The real damage from Katrina (over flowing levies) really didn't happen until the 30th.

There was no more delay in requesting FEMA assistance from the Gov of Louisiana, than the governor's requesting proactive assistance in regard to Sandy this time around. A convenient scapegoat and excuse for the Bush Administration's handling of Katrina and its aftermath, but not one based on reality.
 
2012-10-29 09:36:53 AM  
That's the greatest thing about Romney, when his understanding of the facts change, his opinions do as well. Now, for Fark's depressingly large internet liberal brigade, you could say that makes him "hypocritical". I'm sure he'd like you to believe it makes him "apolitical".
 
2012-10-29 09:36:58 AM  

As usual, the difference is pretty clear.

oi45.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-29 09:45:54 AM  

born_yesterday: Romney: Keeping it real.

Or not. He hasn't decided. How do you want him to keep it?


To himself?
 
2012-10-29 09:46:48 AM  

sno man: born_yesterday: Romney: Keeping it real.

Or not. He hasn't decided. How do you want him to keep it?

Exactly, he says what the group in front of him want to hear, the next day does the same thing, even if he completely contradicts what he said the day before. And no one is calling him on it.
FFS America, what are you a battered girlfriend? Lie to me Honey, tell me all the sweet things (you'll never do).


Well...at least 48% of America is this way.
 
2012-10-29 09:46:48 AM  

Hunter_Worthington: That's the greatest thing about Romney, when his understanding of the facts change, his opinions do as well. Now, for Fark's depressingly large internet liberal brigade, you could say that makes him "hypocritical". I'm sure he'd like you to believe it makes him "apolitical".


You omitted a phrase relating to the type of facts that Mitt understands:

... understanding of the facts of what his current audience wants to hear.
 
2012-10-29 09:52:11 AM  
A beachside convenience store has less flip-flops than Mitt Romney's campaign.
 
2012-10-29 09:53:04 AM  

Hunter_Worthington: That's the greatest thing about Romney, when his understanding of the facts change, his opinions do as well. Now, for Fark's depressingly large internet liberal brigade, you could say that makes him "hypocritical". I'm sure he'd like you to believe it makes him "apolitical".


Except he has this habit of going back and forth from one day to the next. Also, he repudiated himself from his record as governor of Massachusetts, then became more "moderate" again later on. Either he's flip-flopping to get the votes, or he can't make up his goddamned mind. Now, had he stuck to his guns from the get-go, I'd have a much easier time trusting Romney. And I can understand him trying to just get the GOP nomination, because a large number of registered Republicans are ...challenged, at best. But he kept up with the derp going into the campaign for the general, and picked an ultra-conservative like Ryan for a running mate.

Personally, if he wins, I hope he operates at least somewhat like when he was governor. I'd like to think that a lot of his "flop" was just to keep the base motivated to come out and vote on the 6th. But, I just can't be sure. And that sucks.
 
2012-10-29 09:59:19 AM  

coco ebert: can you please explain how you reconcile voting for a man who has such a careless disregard for consistency of any kind? How do you know what he believes in or what he will do when president?


Well, with the fundamentalist religious right here's all you need to consider. You're talking about a group that has already decided that evidence and data are not going to sway their opinion, that they can dismiss the entire world around them and hold onto ideas that do not meet up with reality. When you have people like this you can see that nearly anything is justifiable when you dismiss data out of hand. So don't be surprised when they act foolishly.

As for the rest of them, the fiscal conservatives.. I think they're not convinced that Romney will be worse than Obama. Whether they're right or not we'll never know because only one will win the next term.
 
2012-10-29 10:02:13 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: It'll be fun watching Romney attempt to criticize Obama's Federal response to a disaster after demanding that the Feds shouldn't respond at all.


Mittens will just say he didnt mean what we think he means
 
2012-10-29 10:05:08 AM  

Launch Code: obama said he'd protect Americans but sat back and watched as 4 Americans got slaughtered then lied about the reason to protect his next day fundraising trip. obama said he'd get the unemployment rate down to 5.6% in his first term. It's now over 8% (7.8% if you cook the books).


i78.photobucket.com

"Okay, my friend. It's off to the ignore list for you. I guarantee you won't be lonely." 
 
2012-10-29 10:05:16 AM  

0Icky0: There is an easy out for Rmoney.

"Yes, I want to kill FEMA and turn it over to the States, but that will be with block grants to the States so that they can more efficiently manage their disasters. But until you elect me President, that is not yet possible."

I'll bet you $10,000 that is his answer.


I think you're on to something here, however the only thing this does is turn control over to the states, the money still comes from the Feds.Either way it's a bs response of politispeak that only serves to confuse the people he's telling it to,

I agree that this has been a great thread, consensus so far seems to be that for the majority of disasters a centralized department seems to be the best way to handle the large scale disasters that happen every now and again.
 
2012-10-29 10:05:25 AM  

weltallica: [images2.sina.com image 450x335]

Don't be suprised if Romney wins. THIS guy was re-elected.

Think about that. 

The whole nation can be informed of their candidates GROSS unsuitability to hold office. Doesn't matter. Half the nation WILL vote for them if they have an -R after their name. 

You could have thousands of Americans die because of the deliberate inaction of a candidate. Twice. It STILL wouldn't mean a thing. They're voting GOP. 



You sound concerned.
 
2012-10-29 10:08:24 AM  

coco ebert: An honest question for conservatives or Republicans: without referencing Obama or the Democrats, can you please explain how you reconcile voting for a man who has such a careless disregard for consistency of any kind? How do you know what he believes in or what he will do when president?


It requires doublethink anything else is thoughtcrime! Praise Mormon Jesus
 
2012-10-29 10:25:13 AM  

SlappyKincaid: Shouldn't the National Guard of each state be prepared, and supplied, to handle emergencies such as this?

I understand we've chosen to centralize our disaster response with FEMA but wouldn't it make sense to allow the states to be the first responders given they will know the area, it's population and it's needs better than a central agency who has never dealt there before?

I think it would be simple to train them for this and probably also defray cost in the long run as transports, fuel and a massive bureaucracy cost quite a bit!


This is probably one of the most ignorant things ever posted on Fark. Please tell me this is a troll.
 
2012-10-29 10:28:14 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: It'll be fun watching Romney attempt to criticize Obama's Federal response to a disaster after demanding that the Feds shouldn't respond at all.


Motherfocking, THIS.

Unfortunately, no amount of wishy-washy backpeddling flip flops will keep the mouthbreathers from flipping the R switch, cause socialism.
 
2012-10-29 10:51:49 AM  
This sort of thing is best left to the private sector
 
2012-10-29 10:54:37 AM  
Why should I subsidize the rebuilding of multi million dollar homes in California when they rebuild them in the same landslide or wildfire zone that destroyed the previous home?
Why should I subsidize some coon ass who keeps rebuilding his shack in a hurricane zone?



All subsidies are bad...not just the ones for oil or for mortgage interest deductions.

Let the states handle their own disaster subsidies and rebuilding efforts.
 
2012-10-29 10:56:59 AM  

teto85: Mittens ist ein arseloch


I would have gone with "wanker"...
 
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