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2012-10-29 04:52:00 AM

log_jammin: SlappyKincaid: I don't see why we can't send in our own doctors etc. Each state could have an army of volunteers. I would sign up and volunteer my talents in case of disaster.

The state can and does send it's own doctors and supplies and what ever.


Which state has its own doctors? Last I looked virtually every doctor in my home state are in private practice. Are you thinking about forcing them to practice under threat of arms?
 
2012-10-29 04:53:11 AM

AdrienVeidt: Absolute pureed bullshiat, sweetheart. I read an article in Scientific American several years prior to Katrina that described the exact thing that happened and how horrible it would. Lots of people knew, the people in charge didn't care.




This might be the article you are referring to. (reprint of article, post-Katrina.)

Drowning New Orleans
In a harrowing prediction of what would become the future, this 2001 feature notes that a major hurricane could swamp New Orleans under 20 feet of water, killing thousands

by Mark Fischetti
10/1/2001
Scientific American 
(scientificamerican.com)
 
2012-10-29 04:55:54 AM

AbbeySomeone: cman: AbbeySomeone: I never believed in shape shifters until I saw that man attempt to debate Obama.

I believe the political correct title is "changeling", you bigot

The preferred nomenclature is 'speciest'.


I prefer Etch-A-Sketch-American
 
2012-10-29 05:04:51 AM

coco ebert: An honest question for conservatives or Republicans: without referencing Obama or the Democrats, can you please explain how you reconcile voting for a man who has such a careless disregard for consistency of any kind? How do you know what he believes in or what he will do when president?


"It's not so much that I'm voting for Romney, rather I'm voting against Obama who is a Kenyan born fascist, communist, socialist, apologizing, muzzlim."

TL;DR: "Because Obama is a darkie."

/Study it out, buddy.
 
2012-10-29 05:07:39 AM

WorldCitizen: Gee, Romney is now saying something completely opposite of something he just recently said? I am SHOCKED!

Apparently, lying isn't one of the morals Republicans are concerned about.


This. fark, man.
 
2012-10-29 05:07:57 AM

propasaurus: coco ebert: An honest question for conservatives or Republicans: without referencing Obama or the Democrats, can you please explain how you reconcile voting for a man who has such a careless disregard for consistency of any kind? How do you know what he believes in or what he will do when president?

Romney has been consistently white and not Obama.


Amen. If Obama were a full bred white man they would love him, he has moved the dems significantly to the right, aside from his commendable stance on gay rights. He practically out Regans Regan in forigen policy. He saved GM & help make sure the great recession did not become the greater depression, with lots more guns & death. Yet, nothing he has ever done has been right. Why? He is 1/2 black. I am utterly disgusted by the small minded, egomaniacal bigotry.
 
2012-10-29 05:09:04 AM
Yes old white men, his d*ck is probably bigger than yours, get over it!!
 
2012-10-29 05:10:02 AM

Diagonal: Which state has its own doctors? Last I looked virtually every doctor in my home state are in private practice. Are you thinking about forcing them to practice under threat of arms?


Obtuse much?
 
2012-10-29 05:11:57 AM
When Romney said "have adequate resources", did he mention FEMA, or any other federal government entity as being that source?

Oh, that's right...you dumbocraps don't know what the fark you are talking about, again, as always.
 
2012-10-29 05:12:52 AM
They were filming an episode (the pilot, I think) episode of TWCs "It Could Happen Tomorrow" in New Orleans earlier that year, and the subject was a Cat 5 hurricane hitting NOLA. They ended up delaying the release of that episode because it was supposed to air just after Katrina hit.
 
2012-10-29 05:12:52 AM

faeriefay: propasaurus: coco ebert: An honest question for conservatives or Republicans: without referencing Obama or the Democrats, can you please explain how you reconcile voting for a man who has such a careless disregard for consistency of any kind? How do you know what he believes in or what he will do when president?

Romney has been consistently white and not Obama.

Amen. If Obama were a full bred white man they would love him, he has moved the dems significantly to the right, aside from his commendable stance on gay rights. He practically out Regans Regan in forigen policy. He saved GM & help make sure the great recession did not become the greater depression, with lots more guns & death. Yet, nothing he has ever done has been right. Why? He is 1/2 black. I am utterly disgusted by the small minded, egomaniacal bigotry.


Clinton was 100% white. He had to deal with a lot of bullshiat. It is a matter of partisanship, not race.

The GOP took a BEATING in the 2008 election. They felt like a cornered animal and they reacted. It does not matter if the President was white, black, Jew, gay, or even Reptilian, as long as there is a D next to the name it will be a bitter fight.
 
2012-10-29 05:13:30 AM

Genevieve Marie: cman: Like Bush was with Katrina, right? Two can play that game

My thoughts there have always been... never attribute malice to that which can be explained by ignorance.

I genuinely believe that most of the federal agencies were completely and totally unprepared to deal with as many people who live in abject poverty as we have in New Orleans. I think there was some assumption that they had more resources than they did.

You almost have to live there for awhile to really get how many people in that city have almost nothing.


Finally, someone said it

/lives in memphis
 
2012-10-29 05:18:07 AM

SlappyKincaid: Genevieve Marie: SlappyKincaid: For a small state like Rhode Island I think FEMA makes sense. A 50' tsumani could level pretty much all of the state. But for us larger, heavily populated states I think it should be left to us.

That's my two cents anyway. Feel free to disagree!

Not all states have the money and resources to properly handle emergencies. Can you imagine Louisiana or Mississippi trying to deal with a major disaster with no federal disaster relief? It was bad enough when we had help.

That is true. Many states these days are over budget and in their current state many would need to rely on the federal government for help in a disaster.

I'm not saying it wouldn't take effort but why can't each state set aside a certain amount of funds that could be allocated to disaster relief, especially in states prone to natural disaster? Florida, Kansas and California come to mind, though Katrina also puts Louisiana on the list. They could earmark funds that cannot be touched except in the case of a disaster.

I look at something like Katrina or 9/11 and it was amazing to see just how many citizens pulled together to give freely of their time and energy to help others out and I wonder why states can't advertise for that.

Maybe it's the neighborhoods I've lived in but people are more than willing to help out others when things happen. I remember my parents taking in our neighbors for like 3 months when a fire pretty much demolished their home. That left an indelible mark on my perception of charity and I wish more would adopt that attitude. Self reliance and helping others when needed.

Perhaps that what FEMA is doing at it's core. I'm just not a fan of red tape! It slows down action!


What about situations, such as the current one, in which numerous states are involved? Where relief efforts will need to be organized across state lines? Total state controlled disaster relief would lead to 50 different agencies with 50 different protocols. Seems like more government and red tape, not less. And wasn't the dept of homeland security created precisely because it is taken as truth that it was inter-agency cross communication that allowed potential warning signs of 9/11 to be ignored? So why isn't the DHS being looked at for funding cuts?
 
2012-10-29 05:18:22 AM

propasaurus: We should be 50 3033 individual countries.


Decentralization!
 
2012-10-29 05:19:56 AM
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2012-10-29 05:25:37 AM

0Icky0: There is an easy out for Rmoney.

"Yes, I want to kill FEMA and turn it over to the States, but that will be with block grants to the States so that they can more efficiently manage their disasters. But until you elect me President, that is not yet possible."

I'll bet you $10,000 that is his answer.


That's far too logical and coherent for the Romney campaign. If anything they'd respond by just totally denying that Romney had ever said anything of the sort (or better yet, issue a "clarification" that completely reverses his stance), and no media would bother pointing out the contradiction.
 
2012-10-29 05:29:55 AM

SevenizGud: ...dumbocraps...


Anyone know? Is this guy for real? It just seems like such a caricature of a troll.
 
2012-10-29 05:31:45 AM
Romney, a few months ago: Give the states the money and let them do disaster relief.

Romney's aide, recently: Give the states the money and let them do disaster relief.

Yes, I can see the problem . The chances of Romney having the same view now as he had a few months back are clearly negligible, so that aide must have been misstating the position. Sack him!
 
2012-10-29 05:34:02 AM

propasaurus: SevenizGud: ...dumbocraps...

Anyone know? Is this guy for real? It just seems like such a caricature of a troll.


Hard to tell anymore. I always assume they're real. If a troll can't make me laugh then they deserve the same fate as the real ones.
 
2012-10-29 05:36:34 AM

orbister: Romney, a few months ago: Give the states the money and let them do disaster relief.

Romney's aide, recently: Give the states the money and let them do disaster relief.


So he wants to "spread the wealth around". Got it.
 
2012-10-29 05:39:21 AM

cman: The GOP took a BEATING in the 2008 election. They felt like a cornered animal and they reacted. It does not matter if the President was white, black, Jew, gay, or even Reptilian, as long as there is a D next to the name it will be a bitter fight.


They just said that Colin Powell only supports Obama because he is black.

Race does enter into their politics. Often.
 
2012-10-29 05:40:40 AM
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2012-10-29 05:41:36 AM

log_jammin: If a troll can't make me laugh then they deserve the same fate as the real ones.


That's really rare. Fark has some really shiatty trolls.
 
2012-10-29 05:42:49 AM

sendtodave: cman: The GOP took a BEATING in the 2008 election. They felt like a cornered animal and they reacted. It does not matter if the President was white, black, Jew, gay, or even Reptilian, as long as there is a D next to the name it will be a bitter fight.

They just said that Colin Powell only supports Obama because he is black.

Race does enter into their politics. Often.


I am not saying that there are no racists out there. What I am saying is that all of this nonsense is partisan bullshiat intended to take cheap shots against each other.
 
2012-10-29 05:47:27 AM

brigid_fitch: sammyk: propasaurus: shower_in_my_socks: It'll be fun watching Romney attempt to criticize Obama's Federal response to a disaster after demanding that the Feds shouldn't respond at all.

It is a guaranteed certainty. There is absolutely no question at all that Romney and the GOP will be screaming about Obama's cuts to FEMA and how they're hurting the disaster response.

I'm guessing they will start slamming Obama for the disaster response before Sandy makes landfall. Hell I will go out on a limb and predict that some right wing arsehole accuses the Obama administration of with holding much needed relief from New Jersey deliberately to get back at Gov. Chris "sausage fingers" Christie. One of the usual trolls in the media will be "asking questions" before noon. Rush will compare it to the events in Benghazi by mid week

While I don't doubt that's going to happen, everyone keep in mind that FEMA can't even be allocated until a state of emergency is declared. And Christie didn't do that until around 3pm today. We were the last state on the East Coast to do it, even though by Saturday night most weather models showed a Jersey Shore landfall,

If ANYONE on the right--or hell, anyone in NJ--starts biatching about FEMA not being allocated earlier, I'm going to beat them over the head w/Christie's 2:45pm press conference video.


OMG. The amount of spray-on tan released into the atmosphere will be devastating. OTOH, maybe he's counting on the hurricane scraping the whole area clean so they can start over.
 
2012-10-29 05:47:27 AM
Yeah I'm giving SlappyKincaid a nice green colour, just so I know that when he asks a question in the future he's actually curious and not deliberately obtuse.
 
2012-10-29 05:47:47 AM

cman: I am not saying that there are no racists out there. What I am saying is that all of this nonsense is partisan bullshiat intended to take cheap shots against each other.


Romney's campaign chair is just some out there racist?
 
2012-10-29 05:48:05 AM

cman: sendtodave: cman: The GOP took a BEATING in the 2008 election. They felt like a cornered animal and they reacted. It does not matter if the President was white, black, Jew, gay, or even Reptilian, as long as there is a D next to the name it will be a bitter fight.

They just said that Colin Powell only supports Obama because he is black.

Race does enter into their politics. Often.

I am not saying that there are no racists out there. What I am saying is that all of this nonsense is partisan bullshiat intended to take cheap shots against each other.


I'm old enough to have not voted for Carter, and I have to tell you I have never seen the level of sheer unqualified unreasonable hatred the right has for this President. Be it race or Party or ignorance a combination of all of those, it doesn't even come close to the attacks on Clinton.
And, c'mon, 'partisan bullshiat,' 'pot shots at each other'? It's a bit late in the race and too late in the middle of the night for "both sides are bad."
 
2012-10-29 05:50:18 AM

WorldCitizen: Gee, Romney is now saying something completely opposite of something he just recently said? I am SHOCKED!

Apparently, lying isn't one of the morals Republicans are concerned about.


Morals? What do mushrooms have to do with this?
 
2012-10-29 05:54:10 AM

cman: The GOP took a BEATING in the 2008 election. They felt like a cornered animal and they reacted. It does not matter if the President was white, black, Jew, gay, or even Reptilian, as long as there is a D next to the name it will be a bitter fight.


The point is: what did they do as a result of that beating? did they (A) try to reevaluate their positions and policies to keep up with the times, or (B) dig their heels in and double-down on their commitment to live in their own bizarro alternate reality.

... which is why I can't really respect people who try to claim that they're both moderate and reasonable, as well as republican. Sorry, but you just can't be both these days. When people like Michelle "birth-control-causes-autism" Bachmann, Donald "birth-certificate" Trump, and Sarah "don't-even-need-a-monicker" Palin become the mouthpieces of the party, you're going to have to either buy into the crazy wholesale, or leave the party.

Maybe the Pub's will eventually dump the psycho's and we can go back to having mutually respectful intellectual discussions, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
 
2012-10-29 05:54:19 AM

WorldCitizen: Gee, Romney is now saying something completely opposite of something he just recently said? I am SHOCKED!

Apparently, lying isn't one of the morals Republicans are concerned about.


As stated in another thread, the GOP lies and cheats because winning is more important than the pedestrian morals they espouse.
 
2012-10-29 05:57:47 AM

log_jammin: orbister: Romney, a few months ago: Give the states the money and let them do disaster relief.

Romney's aide, recently: Give the states the money and let them do disaster relief.

So he wants to "spread the wealth around". Got it.


Well, from what I read he wants to concentrate it in the hands of his friends and fellow country club members. In this one case, though, I really don't see much contradiction to get huffy about. There must be better things than this with which to nail the sod.
 
2012-10-29 06:00:58 AM

orbister: I really don't see much contradiction to get huffy about.


which is why they worded it like they did in the "clarification".
 
2012-10-29 06:01:25 AM

propasaurus: coco ebert: An honest question for conservatives or Republicans: without referencing Obama or the Democrats, can you please explain how you reconcile voting for a man who has such a careless disregard for consistency of any kind? How do you know what he believes in or what he will do when president?

Romney has been consistently white and not Obama.


What about that time he put on brownface for the Univision interview?
 
2012-10-29 06:11:43 AM
He's just trying to protect Real 'Muricans from those filthy Union Thugs who risk their lives to save you when you dial 911 -- and don't even hand out a bill when they're done!
No profit, no chance to outsource!
 
2012-10-29 06:33:24 AM
"Dumb as a Republican" will be a proverb pretty soon.
 
2012-10-29 06:36:43 AM

propasaurus: I'm old enough to have not voted for Carter, and I have to tell you I have never seen the level of sheer unqualified unreasonable hatred the right has for this President. Be it race or Party or ignorance a combination of all of those, it doesn't even come close to the attacks on Clinton.


A lot of the opposition and criticism of Carter was after his presidency. It was retro. He was not attacked nearly as vociferously during his term as he was after his term. I blame unrelenting, reactive partisan spin, especially amongst the burgeoning neocons of the time; 1) to make Reagan look better by bringing Carter down, and 2) to discredit the messenger on his foreign policy stances which were being repulsed.
 
2012-10-29 06:43:48 AM

SlappyKincaid: log_jammin: SlappyKincaid: Thanks for the info. The if the National Guard already does this at a statewide level why is FEMA needed? Is it purely coordination or do they put boots on the ground?

I follow politics pretty closely however I am lacking in understanding about FEMA. I know what the acronym means but I can't find a true reason why they are not superfluous.


resources. Bottled water, food, communications, doctors, coordinating state relief efforts with federal efforts, etc.. It's just a way to provide more than what one state can do on it's own.

Again thanks. It just seems to be that a state should be able to supply much of this, short of full devastation, without having to rely on others, especially in a populous state. I live in Chicago, IL and if we had massive damage due to Tornadoes, which we do get from time to time, I don't see why we can't send in our own doctors etc. Each state could have an army of volunteers. I would sign up and volunteer my talents in case of disaster.

I'm just trying to find a creative way to solve the problem that would also help mitigate cost to the tax payers.

For a small state like Rhode Island I think FEMA makes sense. A 50' tsumani could level pretty much all of the state. But for us larger, heavily populated states I think it should be left to us.

That's my two cents anyway. Feel free to disagree!


3 problems with this:
1. What do you do about people put out of their homes by a disaster? Invite them into your home to chill while they wait to be rebuilt? I live in Mississippi; every church has their disaster response van or bus, with food, doctors and nurses ready to go relieve hurricane or tornado victims. But that does nothing for shelter.
2. In disaster relief, organization is important. It stands to reason that the more experience a disaster relief director has (or whatever their title is, doesn't matter), the better organized the response will be. Managing multiple agencies and overcoming logistical problems are specialized skills that need honing in multiple episodes. A national agency is better equipped to do so. It goes without mentioning that in a hurricane, which affects multiple states, state or sub-state level management is insufficient.
3. Order and police after a disaster: with respect to looting and other civic disorder, do you want local cops from 35 bumf--k Mississippi towns coming in to "establish order", or would you rather have an import of 82nd airborne troops (think Dade county after Andrew) who are accustomed to dealing with less-than-ideal conditions?

Local responses are necessary, don't get me wrong. But disasters need integrated responses to a wide range of breakdowns that local responses can't (or haven't previously proved they can) withstand.
 
2012-10-29 06:47:39 AM

Lionel Mandrake: teto85: Mittens ist ein arseloch Arschloch.

Aber du bisthast richtig recht

 
2012-10-29 06:52:01 AM
So no FEMA if you're a Red State, then. Most of them have a small tax base and are usually slammed during the Autumn months due to Hurricanes. So if you're in a Republican-leaning state, Mitt Romney is telling you to suck it and die.
 
2012-10-29 06:53:39 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: So no FEMA if you're a Red State, then. Most of them have a small tax base and are usually slammed during the Autumn months due to Hurricanes. So if you're in a Republican-leaning state, Mitt Romney is telling you to suck it and die.


Take your word "autumn" and stick it up your ass. We speak American English here. Fall, not autumn, fall.
 
2012-10-29 06:57:45 AM

themindiswatching: coco ebert: An honest question for conservatives or Republicans: without referencing Obama or the Democrats, can you please explain how you reconcile voting for a man who has such a careless disregard for consistency of any kind? How do you know what he believes in or what he will do when president?

None of that matters with a blah man in the White House.


Just listen to the mental gymnastics that evangelical Christians are making in order to vote for Romney, and you have all the answers you possibly need.
 
2012-10-29 06:59:34 AM

SlappyKincaid: Shouldn't the National Guard of each state be prepared, and supplied, to handle emergencies such as this?

I understand we've chosen to centralize our disaster response with FEMA but wouldn't it make sense to allow the states to be the first responders given they will know the area, it's population and it's needs better than a central agency who has never dealt there before?

I think it would be simple to train them for this and probably also defray cost in the long run as transports, fuel and a massive bureaucracy cost quite a bit!



I'm going to assume you really don't know many people in the country. There is a trailer park a couple of miles from my farm and the other day some yahoo decides to beat his "wife" and drive his car into a river in rage. We don't have local police here, so the rage-fest went on for quite a bit before State Troopers were able to arrive on the scene. I couldn't imagine leaving a natural disaster entirely up to the state level, not to mention the cost involved. There are just too many areas like mine, in the middle of nowhere, with absolutely no resources to deal with anything above drunks and late night barn parties gone wrong.
 
2012-10-29 07:02:33 AM

Lionel Mandrake: teto85: Mittens ist ein arseloch Arschloch.

Aber du bist richtig


Aber du hast recht
 
2012-10-29 07:03:06 AM
obama said he'd protect Americans but sat back and watched as 4 Americans got slaughtered then lied about the reason to protect his next day fundraising trip. obama said he'd get the unemployment rate down to 5.6% in his first term. It's now over 8% (7.8% if you cook the books).
 
2012-10-29 07:05:18 AM

Launch Code: obama said he'd protect Americans but sat back and watched as 4 Americans got slaughtered then lied about the reason to protect his next day fundraising trip. obama said he'd get the unemployment rate down to 5.6% in his first term. It's now over 8% (7.8% if you cook the books).


Called it!
 
2012-10-29 07:07:20 AM
Romney smiles when Americans die, so of course he wants to get rid of FEMA.
 
2012-10-29 07:08:18 AM
FTFA: "Absolutely," he said. "Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that's even better. Instead of thinking, in the federal budget, what we should cut, we should ask the opposite question, what should we keep?"

"Including disaster relief, though?" debate moderator John King asked Romney.

"We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids," Romney replied. "It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we'll all be dead and gone before it's paid off. It makes no sense at all."


Spin: A Romney official sought to clarify the former governor's remarks Sunday evening.

"Gov. Romney wants to ensure states, who are the first responders and are in the best position to aid impacted individuals and communities, have the resources and assistance they need to cope with natural disasters," the Romney official said.


Yes, but just like with his economic plan he fails to say "how". Looking back at his statement during the primaries it is a legitemate question to know how he plans to reconcile the two. The part that bothers me the most is: "and send it back to the private sector".

The last thing people need during a time of disaster is figuring out how to pay for emergency services. A "for profit" emergency managment program makes about as much sense as a healthcare system based on maximaizing profits rather than healing the sick.
 
2012-10-29 07:09:36 AM

Launch Code: obama said he'd protect Americans but sat back and watched as 4 Americans got slaughtered then lied about the reason to protect his next day fundraising trip. obama said he'd get the unemployment rate down to 5.6% in his first term. It's now over 8% (7.8% if you cook the books).


While he was sitting back and watching that, was he in a high backed leather arm char, with a white care on his lap? Did he stroke the cat and cackle to himself?
 
2012-10-29 07:09:37 AM

propasaurus: I'm old enough to have not voted for Carter, and I have to tell you I have never seen the level of sheer unqualified unreasonable hatred the right has for this President. Be it race or Party or ignorance a combination of all of those, it doesn't even come close to the attacks on Clinton.


You have "never seen the level of sheer unqualified unreasonable hatred the right has for this President", but it "doesn't even come close to the attacks on Clinton"?

So you're saying the right hate this president more, but attacked Clinton more?
 
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