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2012-10-29 09:35:02 AM  
5 votes:

Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.


I'll see your reservations and raise you the Appalachia region.

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You are only a victim if you want to be. Nobody forces anybody to remain on a Reservation with their corrupt tribal governments, Nobody forces "fire water" down their throats and nobody says no don't take advantage of the over 100 federally funded education and other programs for American Indians. No stay on your reservation and hope that the buffalo come back, that the highways will disappear and the at you will be" free" once again to roam the plans and make war, enslave and commit genocide against other tribes.

The Nordic peoples have accepted that the Viking days are over. The Celts are no longer painting themselves blue, making human sacrifices and trying to drive the invaders off. And the Moors are not trying to restart the African slave trade- why don't you join them in the 21st Century.
2012-10-29 08:16:17 AM  
4 votes:
This is SICK (all the political correctness, not the costume). At this rate, I'll be very
VERY surprised if some advocacy group with a stick up their collective asses doesn't
get Halloween banned on the grounds that it teaches and encourages racial, cultural,
and economic stereotypes.

People need to grow the fark up and get over themselves. THIS is what comes of the
sense of entitlement and "never EVER make them feel bad" philosophy that kids have
been raising their kids with the last couple of decades.

Not everyone is going to agree with you. Not everyone is going to blow sunshine up
your ass and tell you that you're the greatest thing since the Frappucino.

There's this pesky thing called freedom of expression. It means that folks can have
views that don't necessarily coincide with yours, as long as their views don't prevent
you from having and expressing *your* views.

The Francis brigade needs to get over itself.
2012-10-29 08:08:37 AM  
4 votes:
Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.
2012-10-29 06:55:57 AM  
4 votes:

timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?


Little Black Sambo was Indian.

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2012-10-29 04:13:55 AM  
4 votes:

timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?


Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.
2012-10-29 08:39:10 AM  
3 votes:

Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.


I've read every post in this thread, and see a bit of light-hearted bigoted humor at very worst. Yes, it's rude, but not intended to harm. You decry ignorance and racism where little is present. Yes, I'm a white guy, so I guess you shut out anything I might say, but I'm not out to get you or to oppress you or to somehow keep you down. I'm just a guy living my life, just like everybody else on this thread. We all know the history and we all understand the hypersensitivity issues regarding race. But do keep in mind that half of the posting farkers are under 30 years of age. They've always live in a multicultural world and are fine with it. None of this is about racial superiority or gut-churning hatred of minorities. You find much offense where little if any is intended. But I guess that you very often do. This article is not even about American black people, but you just have to be offended by anything related to non-whites. Kinda sad.

How do you expect mankind to ever get past this?
2012-10-29 08:04:11 AM  
3 votes:
As someone who is 50% Tonkawa, I couldn't care less. Anybody who gets offended by anything just needs to grow up.
2012-10-29 07:38:50 AM  
3 votes:

cretinbob: squaw=coont


False, as even the most cursory googling would show up.

That is what is called a "Pious Fraud", a lie in the service of what is perceived to be the correct. The idea that "squaw=coont" originated in the 1970's, and wasn't widely accepted until it was repeated on the Oprah Winfrey show.
2012-10-29 07:05:32 AM  
3 votes:
Political correctness run amok. How can I help it what someone else finds offensive? Grow a thicker skin, chief.
2012-10-29 07:03:18 AM  
3 votes:

timujin: The acceptability of racism in 1899 versus now also has no bearing on the conversation. Whether or not you find the book to be good is irrelevant. It is, as you say, racist and therefore inappropriate for use as a child's Halloween costume.


As long as people can be silenced and controlled with political correctness, that's all that matters to you, right?
Look at Calbert's pic, nothing wrong with that costume, change the name on the package and move on.
If it had been called "Warrior Princess", nothing would have been said.
/try not to piss your pants before the day ends.
//oops, too late
2012-10-29 05:23:10 AM  
3 votes:

cretinbob: squaw=coont


I'm pretty sure that's been debunked.
2012-10-29 08:46:43 AM  
2 votes:
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2012-10-29 08:40:52 AM  
2 votes:

doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.


I'm not sure how Little Black Sambo is racist, other than that the title points out that he's black. He's an INDIAN kid (and an apparently wealthy one), not an African one, for one thing, which hardly anyone seems to know. Is wearing cool clothes and getting chased up a tree by tigers, whom you trick into running so hard they melt into butter a racist stereotype?

Now, racists certainly coopted the name Sambo, but the book's pretty inoffensive even today, stripped of that context. You could rewrite it as Little Sambo, illustrate it with a medium skin-tone kid, and nobody'd have the slightest problem with anything but the name.
2012-10-29 08:27:09 AM  
2 votes:

Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white


I'm Gael-American. Not "white", you racist.
2012-10-29 07:55:29 AM  
2 votes:
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2012-10-29 07:30:39 AM  
2 votes:
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2012-10-29 06:55:25 AM  
2 votes:

log_jammin: An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....


Ever heard of the American Indian Movement?
2012-10-29 04:33:31 AM  
2 votes:

doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.


The acceptability of racism in 1899 versus now also has no bearing on the conversation. Whether or not you find the book to be good is irrelevant. It is, as you say, racist and therefore inappropriate for use as a child's Halloween costume.
2012-10-29 02:58:34 AM  
2 votes:

Happy Hours: timujin: True, it has been used derisively for a long time, they should have known that.

By who? Do you think they meant it derisively?


By people who speak derisively to native Americans. If you're not aware of this, you're lucky to have not lived around bigots. I have, they suck.

Besides, I don't think they are marketing this to Indians.

So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?
2012-10-29 01:49:15 AM  
2 votes:
the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

True, it has been used derisively for a long time, they should have known that.

Kathy Paul Dover told the CBC Indians "would never dress like that.


Really? They wouldn't??? Man, and here I thought "nuns" and "nurses" all looked like this:

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2012-10-29 01:37:24 AM  
2 votes:
An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....
2012-10-29 12:03:14 AM  
2 votes:
Sassy Piestawa doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily.
2012-10-30 02:30:01 PM  
1 votes:

pdee: Happy Hours: Sassy Piestawa doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily.

Sassy Sacajawea does roll off the tongue easily.

People need to grow thicker skin.


Well in light of the numerous blatantly shiatty things unapologetic America has done to Native Americans, I think we can suffer them a little dignity by empathizing with their indignation and cutting them just a little slack.
2012-10-29 04:10:02 PM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: timujin: Kurmudgeon: /try not to piss your pants before the day ends.

Why resort to the ad hominem, do you have nothing substantive to add?

Ahh how cute, a quick little response near the end of the thread, presuming much, yet proving nothing
Here for you again...
"As long as people can be silenced and controlled with political correctness, that's all that matters to you, right?
Look at Calbert's pic, nothing wrong with that costume, change the name on the package and move on."
I consider not being silenced for political correctness sake as very substantive.
/no ad hominem, fail is you.


Yeah, surprisingly, I went to bed at 2am, so I missed the rest of the thread (and your ad hominem, which it is even if it's by inference that I am the type of person that pisses myself if I don't like something someone else does. It's childish and makes you look like you don't have anything worthwhile to add other than insults) until I got up this morning. There's a difference between "political correctness" and outright bigotry. Using the term squaw is up there with negro or chink. If you think that's okay, there's something wrong with your ability to empathize with your fellow man. It's not the costume, it's the terminology they used to describe it.
2012-10-29 10:24:05 AM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.

I'll see your reservations and raise you the Appalachia region.

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You are only a victim if you want to be. Nobody forces anybody to remain on a Reservation with their corrupt tribal governments, Nobody forces "fire water" down their throats and nobody says no don't take advantage of the over 100 federally funded education and other programs for American Indians. No stay on your reservation and hope that the buffalo come back, that the highways will disappear and the at you will be" free" once again to roam the plans and make war, enslave and commit genocide against other tribes.

The Nordic peoples have accepted that the Viking days are over. The Celts are no longer painting themselves blue, making human sacrifices and trying to drive the invaders off. And the Moors are not trying to restart the African slave trade- why don't you join them in the 21st Century.


Things have changed for the better. It doesn't matter now that Mamaw became a widow when the family refused to sell mineral and timber rights for pennies on the dollar. It's been generations since Papaw and his union buddies battled the Pinkertons. You don't have to sell your soul to the company store anymore. American attitudes have changed since we bombed our own citizens in defense of wage slavery. A few of the men can now earn a decent living helping funnel the wealth of the area's natural resources to the Northeast. There's no gate at the mouth of the holler, you're free to travel in search of work. If you avoid establishing an Appalachian enclave where you settle, your kids won't have a discernable accent. You're white, it shouldn't be too hard to pass.
Don't be so sensitive about those Cletus and Brandine stereotypes. If you're really offended by those hillbilly-teeth Halloween costumes at work or you think your boss just might be discriminating against you because of all those aunt-mom jokes he tells, lodge a complaint with HR, they'll set things to rights.
2012-10-29 09:51:09 AM  
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: That first picture is five shades of blasphemy. Not cool.


Since when did "blasphemy" mean insulting followers of a religion and not the religion itself?
2012-10-29 09:32:46 AM  
1 votes:

Full Blown Jimbo: This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.


Actually, that's pretty much the definition of political correctness. Blackface is politically incorrect, as is round glasses and buck teeth characterizing Japanese. The term "politically correct" was invented pretty much as a backlash against "politically sensitive" language constructs like "African-American" instead of "Black" or "Negro" (neither of which has negative connotations).
2012-10-29 08:42:32 AM  
1 votes:

EVERYBODY PANIC: Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.

I've read every post in this thread, and see a bit of light-hearted bigoted humor at very worst. Yes, it's rude, but not intended to harm. You decry ignorance and racism where little is present. Yes, I'm a white guy, so I guess you shut out anything I might say, but I'm not out to get you or to oppress you or to somehow keep you down. I'm just a guy living my life, just like everybody else on this thread. We all know the history and we all understand the hypersensitivity issues regarding race. But do keep in mind that half of the posting farkers are under 30 years of age. They've always live in a multicultural world and are fine with it. None of this is about racial superiority or gut-churning hatred of minorities. You find much offense where little if any is intended. But I guess that you very often do. This article is not even about American black people, but you just have to be offended by anything related to non-whites. Kinda sad.

How do you expect mankind to ever get past this?


Point taken.
2012-10-29 08:42:32 AM  
1 votes:

Legios:
The Maori decided to band together.

/Look how well that worked out.
//Incredibly well, now that you ask.


Would you mind 'splaining that statement?

From Wikipedia:

Disproportionate numbers of Māori face significant economic and social obstacles, with lower life expectancies and incomes compared with other New Zealand ethnic groups, in addition to higher levels of crime, health problems and educational under-achievement. Socioeconomic initiatives have been implemented aimed at closing the gap between Māori and other New Zealanders. Political redress for historical grievances is also ongoing.
2012-10-29 08:14:20 AM  
1 votes:
Who cares? What're they gonna do? Send angry smoke signals?
2012-10-29 08:08:28 AM  
1 votes:

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Get over yourself:

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2012-10-29 08:05:32 AM  
1 votes:

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2012-10-29 08:03:07 AM  
1 votes:
I'm sure all those drunken Indians aren't going to take the time from counting up all their money at the casino in order to be upset about this. Probably some Jewish lady sticking her big fat nose into things that shouldn't concern her.

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2012-10-29 07:59:42 AM  
1 votes:
Pink Leggings? Everyone knows pink leggings are indicative only to the Hekawi Tribes

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You should go talk to "He Who Wears Pink Leggings and Dances Backwards"
2012-10-29 07:59:29 AM  
1 votes:
calbert:
subby could've at least linked to an article with a photo, not that hard to do, this story and pic are everywhere:

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Aaaaaaaaaah... those leggings. Even my rudimentary knowledge of Native culture is feeling pain right now.
2012-10-29 07:57:32 AM  
1 votes:

log_jammin: An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....


Don't get your breech cloth in a wad but American Indian is an acceptable term.

American Indian vs. Native American

"Despite the wave of political correctness in the 1990s, during which "Native American" was often trumpeted as a more sensitive phrase, American Indians remain split on which term is preferable. A 1995 Department of Labor survey found that close to 50 percent of American Indians were perfectly happy with that label, while 37 percent preferred to be known as Native Americans. Those who prefer the former often do so because "Native American" sounds like a phrase concocted by government regulators-note, for example, that one of the community's most radical civil rights groups is the American Indian Movement. Those who prefer Native American, on the other hand, often think that "Indian" conjures up too many vicious stereotypes from Western serials."

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2012-10-29 07:44:35 AM  
1 votes:
Enough with the PC police.

Our society is composed of thousands of groups. Just about anything is offensive to at least one.

Stop worrying about what's offensive, and let the market decide. If the costume is stupid, people won't buy it.
2012-10-29 07:38:38 AM  
1 votes:
I'm quite interested in etymology, but have no high level training. I've long hand an opinion on the evolution of this word, but first I checked wikipedia, which strengthened my hypothesis:
"Squaw is an English language loan-word, used as a noun or adjective, whose present meaning is an indigenous woman of North America. It is derived from the eastern Algonquian morpheme meaning 'woman' that appears in numerous Algonquian languages variously spelled squa, skwa, esqua, sqeh, skwe, que, kwa, ikwe, exkwew, xkwe, etc. At present, the term is often held to be offensive, though controversy surrounds the historical evidence claimed for such a view."

I presume in the original language, it meant woman, without any other particular connotation. Then bigoted whites used the term in a pejorative way, generally meaning "whore", projecting their own desires and prejudices into the words. And thus the word was sullied, but not in polite company. So for most or all of the time since, the word has had a literal meaning (neutral) and a prurient connotation known to a minority of people.

My comment on the above, which is probably accurate: Why not merely restore the literal meaning, and disavow the pejorative connotation? One reason for this is the lack of a viable alternative: Who out there knows an "acceptable" indian word for "woman".
2012-10-29 07:27:36 AM  
1 votes:

cretinbob: log_jammin: cretinbob: squaw=coont

I'm pretty sure that's been debunked.

I wish I still had the article. Yes, I think it has with regards to being a word for vagina, which is not really the same as coont. It's still regarded as a derogative term either way.

It was still a funny map.


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2012-10-29 07:23:24 AM  
1 votes:

log_jammin: give me doughnuts: Ever heard of the American Indian Movement?

sure. I've also heard of the United Negro College fund.

/not sure what the filter will do for that word


Many American Indians / Native Americans prefer the former term still... Of course, most would ideally prefer using their actual tribe name instead of either...
2012-10-29 07:22:21 AM  
1 votes:
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I am outraged...outraged..that they have a "Cracker Jack" costume. I Demand one million dollars from the United Italian Negro Fund to ease the suffer to my sensibilities that this vile piece of cloth has done to me.
2012-10-29 07:21:54 AM  
1 votes:

log_jammin: An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....


In the American Southwest, they don't refer to themselves as Native Americans, but Native Indian or American Indian, or sometimes just Indian. To call them "Americans" at all is more derogatory than Indian.
2012-10-29 07:20:33 AM  
1 votes:
Can we get over this "make sure noones feelers are hurt" crap.
2012-10-29 07:20:08 AM  
1 votes:

log_jammin: cretinbob: squaw=coont

I'm pretty sure that's been debunked.


I wish I still had the article. Yes, I think it has with regards to being a word for vagina, which is not really the same as coont. It's still regarded as a derogative term either way.

It was still a funny map.
2012-10-29 07:19:54 AM  
1 votes:
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2012-10-29 07:07:46 AM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: timujin: The acceptability of racism in 1899 versus now also has no bearing on the conversation. Whether or not you find the book to be good is irrelevant. It is, as you say, racist and therefore inappropriate for use as a child's Halloween costume.

As long as people can be silenced and controlled with political correctness, that's all that matters to you, right?
Look at Calbert's pic, nothing wrong with that costume, change the name on the package and move on.
If it had been called "Warrior Princess", nothing would have been said.
/try not to piss your pants before the day ends.
//oops, too late


Eh, the leggings are tacky as hell. So are the Uggs ripoffs.
2012-10-29 05:02:20 AM  
1 votes:
squaw=coont

There was a great map I saw years ago changing all the places in Idaho with the name squaw in them in to coont...coont creek, coont valley, coont butte...It was pretty damn funny.
2012-10-29 04:47:14 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: Yes, it's racist.


Trick or treat !

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2012-10-29 02:41:11 AM  
1 votes:

Richard Saunders: Someone should Sioux them.


I'm sure someone is Hopi right Inuit as we speak. Ute can bet on it. They'll eat Crow.
2012-10-29 02:30:52 AM  
1 votes:

timujin: True, it has been used derisively for a long time, they should have known that.


By who? Do you think they meant it derisively?

Besides, I don't think they are marketing this to Indians.
2012-10-29 12:52:04 AM  
1 votes:
Someone should Sioux them.
2012-10-29 12:31:22 AM  
1 votes:
But the company didn't have any reservations about releasing it?
2012-10-29 12:18:30 AM  
1 votes:
subby could've at least linked to an article with a photo, not that hard to do, this story and pic are everywhere:

www.kidshalloweencostumes4u.com
 
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