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2012-10-29 11:36:45 AM

j0e_average: The United States and Canada are about the only two places in the world that claim to give a fark about racism.

The US continues to talk a good game, while the Canadians are much farther along in terms of racial equality.


Yeah! Their black guys play hockey!!
 
2012-10-29 11:46:57 AM

L.D. Ablo: doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.

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As a kid, we used to go to Sambo's restaurants. The food was quite good.


Not sure if they are related, but there is still a Lil' Sambos in Lincoln City, OR.
 
2012-10-29 11:48:44 AM
j0e_average: The United States and Canada are about the only two places in the world that claim to give a fark about racism.

Except that the Canadaians are ultra racist towards their aboriginal people. From the residential school that children were forced to attend so that their language and culture would be wiped out (and don't forget the sexual abuse) to the 60's scoop where indian agents and social workers could for any reason kidnaps aboriginal children and give them to white couples, to the Indian act and other policies designed to bind aboriginals from seeking legal defense against the government when they broke their treaties.

Canada is not a haven from racism...especially racism towards their first nation's people.

But that doesn't make aboriginal women any less fat...
 
2012-10-29 11:53:09 AM

blackmtnmantheonly: Them indians should go back to India Indiana where they belong.



FTFY.
 
2012-10-29 11:53:48 AM

Wolf892: j0e_average: It's much easier to illustrate Canadian bigotry by simply mentioning the Quebecois.

 
2012-10-29 12:01:06 PM

wellreadneck: hasty ambush: Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.

I'll see your reservations and raise you the Appalachia region.

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You are only a victim if you want to be. Nobody forces anybody to remain on a Reservation with their corrupt tribal governments, Nobody forces "fire water" down their throats and nobody says no don't take advantage of the over 100 federally funded education and other programs for American Indians. No stay on your reservation and hope that the buffalo come back, that the highways will disappear and the at you will be" free" once again to roam the plans and make war, enslave and commit genocide against other tribes.

The Nordic peoples have accepted that the Viking days are over. The Celts are no longer painting themselves blue, making human sacrifices and trying to drive the invaders off. And the Moors are not trying to restart the African slave trade- why don't you join them in the 21st Century.

Things have changed for the better. It doesn't matter now that Mamaw became a widow when the family refused to sell mineral and timber rights for pennies on the dollar. It's been generations since Papaw and his union buddies battled the Pinkertons. You don't have to sell your soul to the company store anymore. American attitudes have changed since we bombed our own citizens in defense of wage slavery. A few of the men can now earn a decent living helping funnel the wealth of the area's natural resources to the Northeast. There's no gate at the mouth of the holler, you're free to travel in search of work. If y ...


You seem confused. I am not sensitive about any of this stuff. But it seems silly to complain about how "victimized" one group is and shoudl feel offended by a harmless Halloween costume when there are equally if not more worse off groups out there.

I would suggest stupidity like this takes the eye off of and resources need to address the bigger issues in the American INDIAN (yes I said it) Appalachian and other communities. Yes there are bigger issues than Halloween costumes.

If I could find an indenture white servant (SLAVE#) costume would wear one.

White Slavery in America

"The British government had realized as early as the 1640's how beneficial white slave labor was to the profiting colonial plantations. Slavery was instituted as early as 1627 in the British West Indies. The Calendar of State Papers, Colonial Series of 1701 records 25000 slaves in Barbados in which 21700 were white slaves."

The Forgotten Slaves: Whites in Servitude in Early America and Industrial Britain

"Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too."
 
2012-10-29 12:01:27 PM

Beaver Knievel: j0e_average: The United States and Canada are about the only two places in the world that claim to give a fark about racism.

The US continues to talk a good game, while the Canadians are much farther along in terms of racial equality.

Yeah! Their black guys play hockey!!


Blacks in Canada represent about 2.5% of the population, and 9.6% of the prison population. The representation in prison is 3.84 times as high as in the population as a whole.

Blacks in the U.S. represent about 13.6% of the population, and 39.4% or the prison population. The representation in prison is 2.9 times as high as in the population as a whole.

Maybe the Canadian criminal justice system is just a little more racist, than in the U.S.
 
2012-10-29 12:01:32 PM

SevenizGud: JRoo: SevenizGud: Political correctness run amok. How can I help it what someone else finds offensive? Grow a thicker skin, chief.

Will do white devil.

I'm Asian, dillhole.


Then why do you suck at math so badly in all the climate threads?
 
2012-10-29 12:03:02 PM
HI-how-r-ya, HI-how-r-ya...

Just came in to say I love injuns of all shades of red EXCEPT for two types - indian givers and scalpers!

And now, let us smokum peace pipe, with tobacco from Happy Make Smile Plants' secret garden.

BYE-how-r-ya, BYE-how-r-ya...
 
2012-10-29 12:07:30 PM

Amos Quito: [rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]

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Well, I guess it's over for S^^^w Valley Ski Resort.

Maybe they can reopen as "White Guilt Gulch"?



That is a weird mountain to ski. The trails are not marked, except at the top of the trailhead. You gotta know where you're going in order to hit the lift at the bottom of the run.
 
2012-10-29 12:12:54 PM

Friskya: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo was Indian.

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No shiat, I just saw the black face and assumed it was a racial caricature along the lines of similar characters.

Happy Hours: doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.

How is the story racist?

I thought the problem was the pictures with exaggerated physical stereotypes. Oh noes, Sambo was black.


You are correct, I was trying to think of something especially racially objectionable, something easily identified as inappropriate for a child's costume. Someone in black face seemed like a good candidate and it was the only one that came to mind that might be used in such a way. I should have read the Wikipedia entry. I'm sure the Fark collective can come up with a better example.

Kurmudgeon: /try not to piss your pants before the day ends.


Why resort to the ad hominem, do you have nothing substantive to add?
 
2012-10-29 12:13:34 PM
"Weird... It's as if people are taking offense to the whole 'Sexy, Racist Stereotype' line of costumes!"
 
2012-10-29 12:20:42 PM

hasty ambush: wellreadneck: hasty ambush: Full Blown Jimbo: Not confused in the least. I assumed the "complain to HR" bit would make my sarcasm obvious, thus making my agreement with your point evident. The links were interesting, but you're preaching to the choir. Not only am I Appalachian, I have Melungeon ancestry, as well.

 
2012-10-29 12:34:08 PM
Looks more like 60s flower child too me.
 
2012-10-29 12:37:07 PM
L.D. Ablo:

As a kid, we used to go to Sambo's restaurants. The food was quite good.


That's before they decided to abandon the name, redo the place as a kosher delicatessen and rename it Bob's Jew Boy.
 
2012-10-29 12:42:24 PM
Go real or go home!

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2012-10-29 12:50:06 PM

Surool: "Weird... It's as if people are taking offense to the whole 'Sexy, Racist Stereotype' line of costumes!"


Yeah, that I don't get. Adult costumes are a different story. There have been some Fark threads about sexy costumes for kids and I get that people object to that, but "sexy whatever" costumes are the best part of Halloween.
 
2012-10-29 12:56:01 PM

timujin: Surool: "Weird... It's as if people are taking offense to the whole 'Sexy, Racist Stereotype' line of costumes!"

Yeah, that I don't get. Adult costumes are a different story. There have been some Fark threads about sexy costumes for kids and I get that people object to that, but "sexy whatever" costumes are the best part of Halloween.


"Sexy Pregnant Latina Teen" Sharpie included.
 
2012-10-29 01:09:56 PM

Full Blown Jimbo: digitalrain: This is SICK (all the political correctness, not the costume). At this rate, I'll be very
VERY surprised if some advocacy group with a stick up their collective asses doesn't
get Halloween banned on the grounds that it teaches and encourages racial, cultural,
and economic stereotypes.

People need to grow the fark up and get over themselves. THIS is what comes of the
sense of entitlement and "never EVER make them feel bad" philosophy that kids have
been raising their kids with the last couple of decades.

Not everyone is going to agree with you. Not everyone is going to blow sunshine up
your ass and tell you that you're the greatest thing since the Frappucino.

There's this pesky thing called freedom of expression. It means that folks can have
views that don't necessarily coincide with yours, as long as their views don't prevent
you from having and expressing *your* views.

The Francis brigade needs to get over itself.

Coffee maker break down?


LOL no - but insane political correctness makes me see red sometimes.
 
2012-10-29 01:25:21 PM
Pity they pulled that costume. It's one of the few "sexy" costumes I've seen that has a bit of class.
 
2012-10-29 01:26:55 PM

It's Hallowe'en week, I ain't got the time for racial debate, so here's Stereotypical costumes from "France":

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Fried eggs and beer for everyone!
 
2012-10-29 01:30:31 PM

Pork1: blackmtnmantheonly: Them indians should go back to India Indiana where they belong.


FTFY.


I thought it was Indonesia?
 
2012-10-29 01:48:18 PM

Gentoolive: Can we get over this "make sure noones feelers are hurt" crap.


It sure would be nice, huh?

It isn't going to happen though. It's only going to get worse.
 
2012-10-29 01:50:16 PM

j0e_average: Disproportionate numbers of Māori face significant economic and social obstacles, with lower life expectancies and incomes compared with other New Zealand ethnic groups, in addition to higher levels of crime, health problems and educational under-achievement. Socioeconomic initiatives have been implemented aimed at closing the gap between Māori and other New Zealanders. Political redress for historical grievances is also ongoing.


How much of this is self inflicted? And by that I mean for example Māori on Māori crime. Is there a cultural bias against academic achievement; Is it viewed as "acting white? How many reject the "white devils" culture and attempt to live just as they would have hundreds of years ago. It is easier to blame others when the source of many of your problems are staring back at you from a mirror.

Some cultural/ethic pride is good but not to the exclusion of assimilation so you can't function in a modern society.
 
2012-10-29 01:55:24 PM

Coyote Doyenne: Excuse me... did someone ask for a Sassy Squaw?


Yes please!
 
2012-10-29 01:59:12 PM

mbillips: Hillbilly is an offensive term. Person of Appalachian origin is preferred.

"And hillbillies want to be called 'Sons of the Soil,' but it ain't gonna happen."

- Dr. Hibbert
 
2012-10-29 02:27:14 PM

hasty ambush: j0e_average: Disproportionate numbers of Māori face significant economic and social obstacles, with lower life expectancies and incomes compared with other New Zealand ethnic groups, in addition to higher levels of crime, health problems and educational under-achievement. Socioeconomic initiatives have been implemented aimed at closing the gap between Māori and other New Zealanders. Political redress for historical grievances is also ongoing.

How much of this is self inflicted? And by that I mean for example Māori on Māori crime. Is there a cultural bias against academic achievement; Is it viewed as "acting white? How many reject the "white devils" culture and attempt to live just as they would have hundreds of years ago. It is easier to blame others when the source of many of your problems are staring back at you from a mirror.

Some cultural/ethic pride is good but not to the exclusion of assimilation so you can't function in a modern society.


This. Jews seem to have struck the balance point, in this goy's opinion.

If I were of Native American ancestry, I'd be less pissed off about this and more pissed off about the conditions on reservations.
 
2012-10-29 03:30:32 PM

Primitive Screwhead: This thread is missing Nightwolf & Ravenhawk


What, no Chief Thunder? His level music is easily one of the most racist things ever in a video game.
 
2012-10-29 03:44:41 PM

timujin: Kurmudgeon: /try not to piss your pants before the day ends.

Why resort to the ad hominem, do you have nothing substantive to add?


Ahh how cute, a quick little response near the end of the thread, presuming much, yet proving nothing
Here for you again...
"As long as people can be silenced and controlled with political correctness, that's all that matters to you, right?
Look at Calbert's pic, nothing wrong with that costume, change the name on the package and move on."
I consider not being silenced for political correctness sake as very substantive.
/no ad hominem, fail is you.
 
2012-10-29 04:10:02 PM

Kurmudgeon: timujin: Kurmudgeon: /try not to piss your pants before the day ends.

Why resort to the ad hominem, do you have nothing substantive to add?

Ahh how cute, a quick little response near the end of the thread, presuming much, yet proving nothing
Here for you again...
"As long as people can be silenced and controlled with political correctness, that's all that matters to you, right?
Look at Calbert's pic, nothing wrong with that costume, change the name on the package and move on."
I consider not being silenced for political correctness sake as very substantive.
/no ad hominem, fail is you.


Yeah, surprisingly, I went to bed at 2am, so I missed the rest of the thread (and your ad hominem, which it is even if it's by inference that I am the type of person that pisses myself if I don't like something someone else does. It's childish and makes you look like you don't have anything worthwhile to add other than insults) until I got up this morning. There's a difference between "political correctness" and outright bigotry. Using the term squaw is up there with negro or chink. If you think that's okay, there's something wrong with your ability to empathize with your fellow man. It's not the costume, it's the terminology they used to describe it.
 
2012-10-29 04:35:34 PM

ghostwind: hasty ambush:

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The problem with this last picture is this is how Bavarians actually dress... not all of them of course, but it is not uncommon to see a few of them wandering around where I live.


Odd, I was stationed in the Bavarian area (Wurzburg and Kitzingen) for 5 years, and the only time I ever saw anyone dressed like that was at a few fests, or Halloween. I've never seen anyone just walking around dressed like that just because.
 
2012-10-29 05:43:26 PM
I'm offended!!!

/ Now, what are we talking about again?
 
2012-10-29 05:52:22 PM

sodomizer: These are still new nations, the US and Canada. Will they even make it to 300 years?


How many nations really are 300 years old? If you point to Europe, there have been civilizations there for a long time, but many of the governments -- the nations in their current form -- are quite young. For example, modern France is younger than the US (when our revolution occurred, Louis XVI was still on the throne). Modern Germany only goes back to 1945 or so, as does Italy (and Japan). China is -- what -- 1950's? The UK (in a reasonably modern form) is older (Acts of Union, 1707), but not dramatically.

The US has actually gone for a fairly long time without any major revolution or invasion to "reboot" the government.
 
2012-10-29 06:04:38 PM

chatoyance: someone bought the costume anyway
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I think she's trolling us!
 
2012-10-29 06:06:17 PM

L.D. Ablo: doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.

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As a kid, we used to go to Sambo's restaurants. The food was quite good.


I don't remember the food being good or bad, but I do remember them having coloring books for us kids that had Sambo in it!
 
2012-10-29 06:27:33 PM

Marine1: If I were of Native American ancestry, I'd be less pissed off about this and more pissed off about the conditions on reservations.


Whose fault is it that conditions are so bad?
 
2012-10-29 06:49:49 PM

orbister: Marine1: If I were of Native American ancestry, I'd be less pissed off about this and more pissed off about the conditions on reservations.

Whose fault is it that conditions are so bad?


The costume company, of course.
 
2012-10-29 07:54:20 PM

Rufus Lee King: As a white male, this costume offends me:

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I guess I'm just out of luck about that, though.


You get to complain after white men are systematically oppressed for hundreds of years, and remain defacto lessers after.

/white man
 
2012-10-29 08:16:12 PM

Blue_Blazer: Rufus Lee King: As a white male, this costume offends me:

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I guess I'm just out of luck about that, though.

You get to complain after white men are systematically oppressed for hundreds of years, and remain defacto lessers after.

/white man


You think that only brown people get shat upon? Most people, regardless of color, get kicked around in life. Everydamnbody catches crap from the system, and it is the system that we should be focused upon. The state is the source of almost alll human misery, regardless of race. Keep in mind, for instance, that it was the state which made black people into property. It was the state which kept black people from voting. The white folk were, for the most part, victims of the state too and were not themselves oppressors of black people. The laws were wrong. Things are much better for minorities, but only in the context that they now have it as bad as the rest of us instead of having it much worse. They call that progress? Blame the white folk all you want, but it is the system, the state, which has oppressed you, and yet, most people of color love the state and turn to it for many needs.

So, who is really the slave? They guy who knew he was a slave, or they more recent person who thinks himself free and loves his historic oppressor?
 
2012-10-29 08:54:51 PM

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2012-10-29 08:56:22 PM
I never really thought of the word, "squaw" as a derogatory word.

And when you think about it, it's only a name on a box that will hardly been seen by anyone involved with the costume in use.

Now the little girls may be missing out and I know the little boys will be.
 
2012-10-29 09:30:35 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Blue_Blazer: Rufus Lee King: As a white male, this costume offends me:

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I guess I'm just out of luck about that, though.

You get to complain after white men are systematically oppressed for hundreds of years, and remain defacto lessers after.

/white man

You think that only brown people get shat upon? Most people, regardless of color, get kicked around in life. Everydamnbody catches crap from the system, and it is the system that we should be focused upon. The state is the source of almost alll human misery, regardless of race. Keep in mind, for instance, that it was the state which made black people into property. It was the state which kept black people from voting. The white folk were, for the most part, victims of the state too and were not themselves oppressors of black people. The laws were wrong. Things are much better for minorities, but only in the context that they now have it as bad as the rest of us instead of having it much worse. They call that progress? Blame the white folk all you want, but it is the system, the state, which has oppressed you, and yet, most people of color love the state and turn to it for many needs.

So, who is really the slave? They guy who knew he was a slave, or they more recent person who thinks himself free and loves his historic oppressor?


Um Im pretty sure I agree with you. The white man's state is a tool of oppression. But if you think plumber bubba and sexy squaw aren't worlds apart, well whatever.
 
2012-10-30 12:27:41 PM

Happy Hours: Sassy Piestawa doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily.


Sassy Sacajawea does roll off the tongue easily.

People need to grow thicker skin.
 
2012-10-30 02:30:01 PM

pdee: Happy Hours: Sassy Piestawa doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily.

Sassy Sacajawea does roll off the tongue easily.

People need to grow thicker skin.


Well in light of the numerous blatantly shiatty things unapologetic America has done to Native Americans, I think we can suffer them a little dignity by empathizing with their indignation and cutting them just a little slack.
 
2012-10-30 03:32:56 PM
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2012-10-30 05:49:48 PM
They've got some awesome costumes.

http://incharacter.com/costumes.php?category_id=AD

Lots more "sassy's" if you click around.
 
2012-10-30 10:32:05 PM
I have bumped ( wink) into quite a few sassy squaws. That costume is spandex and a tavern jacket.
 
2012-10-31 12:21:31 AM
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2012-10-31 12:32:06 AM

SnarfVader: Not sure if they are related, but there is still a Lil' Sambos in Lincoln City, OR.


We had a Sambo's in my town in Georgia when I was young, then they changed it something like Jim Bob's. So from black to redneck. They had to paint the whole place too, because the little black Sambo story was painted all over the walls.
 
2012-10-31 08:19:40 PM

j0e_average: The United States and Canada are about the only two places in the world that claim to give a fark about racism.

The US continues to talk a good game, while the Canadians are much farther along in terms of racial equality.


Oh yeah. Tons of it. We all know about the famous African-Canadian prime minister, Jamaal Hoserston.

Don't get me wrong: I like Canada. Without some Canadian-Americans in Platte County, MO adopting my grandfather, I wouldn't be here. On the other hand, Canada doesn't have nearly as many people of African descent, and the equal treatment of the First Nations didn't seem to exist when they were living in what is now southern Ontario and the other parts of Canada that had stuff the British and French wanted. If the oil underneath their current land had been discovered earlier, the First Nations would have been told to take a hike on an iceberg.
 
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