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2012-10-28 11:44:10 PM  
I don't
 
2012-10-29 12:03:14 AM  
Sassy Piestawa doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily.
 
2012-10-29 12:18:30 AM  
subby could've at least linked to an article with a photo, not that hard to do, this story and pic are everywhere:

www.kidshalloweencostumes4u.com
 
2012-10-29 12:31:22 AM  
But the company didn't have any reservations about releasing it?
 
2012-10-29 12:52:04 AM  
Someone should Sioux them.
 
2012-10-29 01:37:24 AM  
An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....
 
2012-10-29 01:49:15 AM  
the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

True, it has been used derisively for a long time, they should have known that.

Kathy Paul Dover told the CBC Indians "would never dress like that.


Really? They wouldn't??? Man, and here I thought "nuns" and "nurses" all looked like this:

www.pinkimpulse.com

images12.yandy.com
 
2012-10-29 02:30:52 AM  

timujin: True, it has been used derisively for a long time, they should have known that.


By who? Do you think they meant it derisively?

Besides, I don't think they are marketing this to Indians.
 
2012-10-29 02:41:11 AM  

Richard Saunders: Someone should Sioux them.


I'm sure someone is Hopi right Inuit as we speak. Ute can bet on it. They'll eat Crow.
 
2012-10-29 02:58:34 AM  

Happy Hours: timujin: True, it has been used derisively for a long time, they should have known that.

By who? Do you think they meant it derisively?


By people who speak derisively to native Americans. If you're not aware of this, you're lucky to have not lived around bigots. I have, they suck.

Besides, I don't think they are marketing this to Indians.

So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?
 
2012-10-29 04:13:55 AM  

timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?


Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.
 
2012-10-29 04:33:31 AM  

doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.


The acceptability of racism in 1899 versus now also has no bearing on the conversation. Whether or not you find the book to be good is irrelevant. It is, as you say, racist and therefore inappropriate for use as a child's Halloween costume.
 
2012-10-29 04:47:14 AM  

doglover: Yes, it's racist.


Trick or treat !

imageshack.us
 
2012-10-29 05:02:20 AM  
squaw=coont

There was a great map I saw years ago changing all the places in Idaho with the name squaw in them in to coont...coont creek, coont valley, coont butte...It was pretty damn funny.
 
2012-10-29 05:23:10 AM  

cretinbob: squaw=coont


I'm pretty sure that's been debunked.
 
2012-10-29 06:55:25 AM  

log_jammin: An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....


Ever heard of the American Indian Movement?
 
2012-10-29 06:55:57 AM  

timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?


Little Black Sambo was Indian.

themoreyouknow.jpg
 
2012-10-29 06:56:28 AM  
Cher had something to say about this.
Half-breed
 
2012-10-29 06:56:47 AM  
Well it's kinda to late for the marketer to take back the costume now because that would make them an

24.media.tumblr.com

uhm... that would make them someone that takes back halloween costumes.
 
2012-10-29 07:01:01 AM  
What a load of sitting bull.
 
2012-10-29 07:01:55 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: But the company didn't have any reservations about releasing it?


How could they?
 
2012-10-29 07:03:18 AM  

timujin: The acceptability of racism in 1899 versus now also has no bearing on the conversation. Whether or not you find the book to be good is irrelevant. It is, as you say, racist and therefore inappropriate for use as a child's Halloween costume.


As long as people can be silenced and controlled with political correctness, that's all that matters to you, right?
Look at Calbert's pic, nothing wrong with that costume, change the name on the package and move on.
If it had been called "Warrior Princess", nothing would have been said.
/try not to piss your pants before the day ends.
//oops, too late
 
2012-10-29 07:05:32 AM  
Political correctness run amok. How can I help it what someone else finds offensive? Grow a thicker skin, chief.
 
2012-10-29 07:07:41 AM  

give me doughnuts: Ever heard of the American Indian Movement?


sure. I've also heard of the United Negro College fund.

/not sure what the filter will do for that word
 
2012-10-29 07:07:46 AM  

Kurmudgeon: timujin: The acceptability of racism in 1899 versus now also has no bearing on the conversation. Whether or not you find the book to be good is irrelevant. It is, as you say, racist and therefore inappropriate for use as a child's Halloween costume.

As long as people can be silenced and controlled with political correctness, that's all that matters to you, right?
Look at Calbert's pic, nothing wrong with that costume, change the name on the package and move on.
If it had been called "Warrior Princess", nothing would have been said.
/try not to piss your pants before the day ends.
//oops, too late


Eh, the leggings are tacky as hell. So are the Uggs ripoffs.
 
2012-10-29 07:08:00 AM  

SevenizGud: Political correctness run amok. How can I help it what someone else finds offensive? Grow a thicker skin, chief.


Will do white devil.
 
2012-10-29 07:10:47 AM  
Oh great, now you will have to go to scalpers to get it.
 
2012-10-29 07:11:34 AM  
www.hillbillycrackpot.com

Stereotypical images of anyone, including hillbillies, should be banned because they might offend someone.
 
2012-10-29 07:17:06 AM  
I just checked with my neighbor Mr. Patel and he didn't have a problem with it.
 
2012-10-29 07:19:54 AM  
Non pedo version:

uesdmotorcycle52.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-29 07:20:08 AM  

log_jammin: cretinbob: squaw=coont

I'm pretty sure that's been debunked.


I wish I still had the article. Yes, I think it has with regards to being a word for vagina, which is not really the same as coont. It's still regarded as a derogative term either way.

It was still a funny map.
 
2012-10-29 07:20:33 AM  
Can we get over this "make sure noones feelers are hurt" crap.
 
2012-10-29 07:21:54 AM  

log_jammin: An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....


In the American Southwest, they don't refer to themselves as Native Americans, but Native Indian or American Indian, or sometimes just Indian. To call them "Americans" at all is more derogatory than Indian.
 
2012-10-29 07:22:21 AM  
imgs.sfgate.com

I am outraged...outraged..that they have a "Cracker Jack" costume. I Demand one million dollars from the United Italian Negro Fund to ease the suffer to my sensibilities that this vile piece of cloth has done to me.
 
2012-10-29 07:22:22 AM  

JRoo: SevenizGud: Political correctness run amok. How can I help it what someone else finds offensive? Grow a thicker skin, chief.

Will do white devil.


I'm Asian, dillhole.
 
2012-10-29 07:22:28 AM  

cretinbob: It was still a funny map.


I remember the map(or at least a similar one), and it was funny.
 
2012-10-29 07:23:24 AM  

log_jammin: give me doughnuts: Ever heard of the American Indian Movement?

sure. I've also heard of the United Negro College fund.

/not sure what the filter will do for that word


Many American Indians / Native Americans prefer the former term still... Of course, most would ideally prefer using their actual tribe name instead of either...
 
2012-10-29 07:23:46 AM  

log_jammin: An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....


i212.photobucket.com

"I have no problem with the costume. I find it very offensive that you want a refund for the costume when it states no refunds after October 20th. That is not policy and I cannot give it to you."

/You read that in an Indian accent.
 
2012-10-29 07:27:36 AM  

cretinbob: log_jammin: cretinbob: squaw=coont

I'm pretty sure that's been debunked.

I wish I still had the article. Yes, I think it has with regards to being a word for vagina, which is not really the same as coont. It's still regarded as a derogative term either way.

It was still a funny map.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-29 07:29:31 AM  
I just don't understand the things that some people find offensive. It must be exhausting to be that sensitive.
 
2012-10-29 07:30:39 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
disapproves, unsmilingly.
 
2012-10-29 07:30:51 AM  

give me doughnuts: American Indian Movement


I knew a girl once whose boyfriend gave her this necklace with an arrow as the charm on it (the arrow pointed downward). People kept asking her what it was, and she would tell them it was for the American Indian Movement, until one day she said:

"My boyfriend gave it to me, it's for AIM."
 
2012-10-29 07:32:42 AM  

RobSeace: Of course, most would ideally prefer using their actual tribe name instead of either...


That was mostly what I was getting at.
 
2012-10-29 07:34:58 AM  

rnatalie: Potentially NSFW Link


Like the fist of an angry bear spirit!
 
2012-10-29 07:38:38 AM  
I'm quite interested in etymology, but have no high level training. I've long hand an opinion on the evolution of this word, but first I checked wikipedia, which strengthened my hypothesis:
"Squaw is an English language loan-word, used as a noun or adjective, whose present meaning is an indigenous woman of North America. It is derived from the eastern Algonquian morpheme meaning 'woman' that appears in numerous Algonquian languages variously spelled squa, skwa, esqua, sqeh, skwe, que, kwa, ikwe, exkwew, xkwe, etc. At present, the term is often held to be offensive, though controversy surrounds the historical evidence claimed for such a view."

I presume in the original language, it meant woman, without any other particular connotation. Then bigoted whites used the term in a pejorative way, generally meaning "whore", projecting their own desires and prejudices into the words. And thus the word was sullied, but not in polite company. So for most or all of the time since, the word has had a literal meaning (neutral) and a prurient connotation known to a minority of people.

My comment on the above, which is probably accurate: Why not merely restore the literal meaning, and disavow the pejorative connotation? One reason for this is the lack of a viable alternative: Who out there knows an "acceptable" indian word for "woman".
 
2012-10-29 07:38:50 AM  

cretinbob: squaw=coont


False, as even the most cursory googling would show up.

That is what is called a "Pious Fraud", a lie in the service of what is perceived to be the correct. The idea that "squaw=coont" originated in the 1970's, and wasn't widely accepted until it was repeated on the Oprah Winfrey show.
 
2012-10-29 07:41:01 AM  
You heard the man. All women, take off your costume right now!
 
2012-10-29 07:43:12 AM  
Also available:

Cheating Chink
Nasty Nubian
Baby Beaner
Horny Homo
Ticked-off Trailer Trash

and by special order only:

Oppressed White Straight Wealthy Male Christian
 
2012-10-29 07:44:35 AM  
Enough with the PC police.

Our society is composed of thousands of groups. Just about anything is offensive to at least one.

Stop worrying about what's offensive, and let the market decide. If the costume is stupid, people won't buy it.
 
2012-10-29 07:46:15 AM  
Poke a haunt us?

/lame, but hey, had to say it
//let the hate roll out
///racism isn't dead, it's just undead
 
2012-10-29 07:46:53 AM  
Oopy-doopy! That'um sure offensive.
 
2012-10-29 07:54:07 AM  

WelldeadLink: You heard the man. All women, take off your costume right now!


You probably shoulda clicked the link to see the costume before you said that.

There's a seat in the corner. Sit.
 
2012-10-29 07:55:08 AM  

GORDON: I just don't understand the things that some people find offensive. It must be exhausting to be that sensitive.


True. Granted, in this situation, they shouldn't have called it squaw (because, as I found out here on Fark, that's slang for Indian vjj), but still, I do agree that I don't really get political correctness.

\even if it's in the face of a fairly ugly costume like that
 
2012-10-29 07:55:29 AM  
ictmncdn1.tgpstage1.com
 
2012-10-29 07:57:32 AM  

log_jammin: An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....


Don't get your breech cloth in a wad but American Indian is an acceptable term.

American Indian vs. Native American

"Despite the wave of political correctness in the 1990s, during which "Native American" was often trumpeted as a more sensitive phrase, American Indians remain split on which term is preferable. A 1995 Department of Labor survey found that close to 50 percent of American Indians were perfectly happy with that label, while 37 percent preferred to be known as Native Americans. Those who prefer the former often do so because "Native American" sounds like a phrase concocted by government regulators-note, for example, that one of the community's most radical civil rights groups is the American Indian Movement. Those who prefer Native American, on the other hand, often think that "Indian" conjures up too many vicious stereotypes from Western serials."

/Red People Problems 

African Americans

www.24x7photography.com

www.ihatethemedia.com
 
2012-10-29 07:59:29 AM  
calbert:
subby could've at least linked to an article with a photo, not that hard to do, this story and pic are everywhere:

[www.kidshalloweencostumes4u.com image 664x1500]


Aaaaaaaaaah... those leggings. Even my rudimentary knowledge of Native culture is feeling pain right now.
 
2012-10-29 07:59:42 AM  
Pink Leggings? Everyone knows pink leggings are indicative only to the Hekawi Tribes

www.dvdtalk.com

You should go talk to "He Who Wears Pink Leggings and Dances Backwards"
 
2012-10-29 08:00:08 AM  
How

//..you doin' you sassy squaw
 
2012-10-29 08:00:17 AM  
if they're pissed now wait till they see reruns of F Troop.
 
2012-10-29 08:03:07 AM  
I'm sure all those drunken Indians aren't going to take the time from counting up all their money at the casino in order to be upset about this. Probably some Jewish lady sticking her big fat nose into things that shouldn't concern her.

i406.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-29 08:03:59 AM  
Oh, look.
It's this thread again.

/Native.
//Going as Psy to the costume party.
///Suck it, haters.
 
2012-10-29 08:04:11 AM  
As someone who is 50% Tonkawa, I couldn't care less. Anybody who gets offended by anything just needs to grow up.
 
2012-10-29 08:05:32 AM  

Baron Harkonnen: [ictmncdn1.tgpstage1.com image 300x449]


i1143.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-29 08:07:12 AM  

timujin: doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.

The acceptability of racism in 1899 versus now also has no bearing on the conversation. Whether or not you find the book to be good is irrelevant. It is, as you say, racist and therefore inappropriate for use as a child's Halloween costume.


the French have never been either admirable nor noble....
 
2012-10-29 08:08:28 AM  

Baron Harkonnen: [ictmncdn1.tgpstage1.com image 300x449]


Get over yourself:

images.discounthalloweencostumes.com

www.springfieldartscouncil.org

cdn5.funtober.com

www.flagshipfancydress.co.uk
 
2012-10-29 08:08:37 AM  
Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.
 
2012-10-29 08:14:20 AM  
Who cares? What're they gonna do? Send angry smoke signals?
 
2012-10-29 08:16:17 AM  
This is SICK (all the political correctness, not the costume). At this rate, I'll be very
VERY surprised if some advocacy group with a stick up their collective asses doesn't
get Halloween banned on the grounds that it teaches and encourages racial, cultural,
and economic stereotypes.

People need to grow the fark up and get over themselves. THIS is what comes of the
sense of entitlement and "never EVER make them feel bad" philosophy that kids have
been raising their kids with the last couple of decades.

Not everyone is going to agree with you. Not everyone is going to blow sunshine up
your ass and tell you that you're the greatest thing since the Frappucino.

There's this pesky thing called freedom of expression. It means that folks can have
views that don't necessarily coincide with yours, as long as their views don't prevent
you from having and expressing *your* views.

The Francis brigade needs to get over itself.
 
2012-10-29 08:21:30 AM  

digitalrain: This is SICK (all the political correctness, not the costume). At this rate, I'll be very
VERY surprised if some advocacy group with a stick up their collective asses doesn't
get Halloween banned on the grounds that it teaches and encourages racial, cultural,
and economic stereotypes.

People need to grow the fark up and get over themselves. THIS is what comes of the
sense of entitlement and "never EVER make them feel bad" philosophy that kids have
been raising their kids with the last couple of decades.

Not everyone is going to agree with you. Not everyone is going to blow sunshine up
your ass and tell you that you're the greatest thing since the Frappucino.

There's this pesky thing called freedom of expression. It means that folks can have
views that don't necessarily coincide with yours, as long as their views don't prevent
you from having and expressing *your* views.

The Francis brigade needs to get over itself.


Coffee maker break down?
 
2012-10-29 08:23:50 AM  
Them indians should go back to India where they belong.
 
2012-10-29 08:25:19 AM  
keep posting sexy girls in indian costumes... I got a mad teepee going in my pants
 
2012-10-29 08:25:27 AM  

Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.


That's because the white people and their germs won.
 
2012-10-29 08:27:09 AM  

Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white


I'm Gael-American. Not "white", you racist.
 
2012-10-29 08:27:41 AM  

hasty ambush: Baron Harkonnen: [ictmncdn1.tgpstage1.com image 300x449]

Get over yourself:

[images.discounthalloweencostumes.com image 850x1214]

[www.springfieldartscouncil.org image 635x900]

[cdn5.funtober.com image 469x900]

[www.flagshipfancydress.co.uk image 343x539]


Um.. Nordic, British (from her teeth), Texan and German?!

/What do I win?!
//Technically Scandinavian, southern-American (at a guess), Hispanic and Bavarian
///All at a guess...
 
2012-10-29 08:27:57 AM  
my favorite costume of the season

s3.hubimg.com

/house-call!
 
2012-10-29 08:28:49 AM  

Deep Contact: That's because the white people and their germs won.


It seems to me the New World peoples were in full decline when whitey arrived, and his smallpox and guns just finished the job. In particular, you'da thunk that the Amerinds would have banded together to fight the intruders, but they were more concerned with fighting each other or having revolutions and power struggles internally. RIP.
 
2012-10-29 08:31:15 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Pink Leggings? Everyone knows pink leggings are indicative only to the Hekawi Tribes

[www.dvdtalk.com image 400x300]

You should go talk to "He Who Wears Pink Leggings and Dances Backwards"


I loved these two guys. F-Troop needs to be updated and take place in Iraq.
 
2012-10-29 08:32:08 AM  

Deep Contact: Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.

That's because the white people and their germs won.


Still are. 'cough'
 
2012-10-29 08:33:41 AM  
The United States and Canada are about the only two places in the world that claim to give a fark about racism.

The US continues to talk a good game, while the Canadians are much farther along in terms of racial equality.
 
2012-10-29 08:34:02 AM  

sodomizer: Deep Contact: That's because the white people and their germs won.

It seems to me the New World peoples were in full decline when whitey arrived, and his smallpox and guns just finished the job. In particular, you'da thunk that the Amerinds would have banded together to fight the intruders, but they were more concerned with fighting each other or having revolutions and power struggles internally. RIP.


The Maori decided to band together.

/Look how well that worked out.
//Incredibly well, now that you ask.
 
2012-10-29 08:39:10 AM  

Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.


I've read every post in this thread, and see a bit of light-hearted bigoted humor at very worst. Yes, it's rude, but not intended to harm. You decry ignorance and racism where little is present. Yes, I'm a white guy, so I guess you shut out anything I might say, but I'm not out to get you or to oppress you or to somehow keep you down. I'm just a guy living my life, just like everybody else on this thread. We all know the history and we all understand the hypersensitivity issues regarding race. But do keep in mind that half of the posting farkers are under 30 years of age. They've always live in a multicultural world and are fine with it. None of this is about racial superiority or gut-churning hatred of minorities. You find much offense where little if any is intended. But I guess that you very often do. This article is not even about American black people, but you just have to be offended by anything related to non-whites. Kinda sad.

How do you expect mankind to ever get past this?
 
2012-10-29 08:40:52 AM  

doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.


I'm not sure how Little Black Sambo is racist, other than that the title points out that he's black. He's an INDIAN kid (and an apparently wealthy one), not an African one, for one thing, which hardly anyone seems to know. Is wearing cool clothes and getting chased up a tree by tigers, whom you trick into running so hard they melt into butter a racist stereotype?

Now, racists certainly coopted the name Sambo, but the book's pretty inoffensive even today, stripped of that context. You could rewrite it as Little Sambo, illustrate it with a medium skin-tone kid, and nobody'd have the slightest problem with anything but the name.
 
2012-10-29 08:42:32 AM  

Legios:
The Maori decided to band together.

/Look how well that worked out.
//Incredibly well, now that you ask.


Would you mind 'splaining that statement?

From Wikipedia:

Disproportionate numbers of Māori face significant economic and social obstacles, with lower life expectancies and incomes compared with other New Zealand ethnic groups, in addition to higher levels of crime, health problems and educational under-achievement. Socioeconomic initiatives have been implemented aimed at closing the gap between Māori and other New Zealanders. Political redress for historical grievances is also ongoing.
 
2012-10-29 08:42:32 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.

I've read every post in this thread, and see a bit of light-hearted bigoted humor at very worst. Yes, it's rude, but not intended to harm. You decry ignorance and racism where little is present. Yes, I'm a white guy, so I guess you shut out anything I might say, but I'm not out to get you or to oppress you or to somehow keep you down. I'm just a guy living my life, just like everybody else on this thread. We all know the history and we all understand the hypersensitivity issues regarding race. But do keep in mind that half of the posting farkers are under 30 years of age. They've always live in a multicultural world and are fine with it. None of this is about racial superiority or gut-churning hatred of minorities. You find much offense where little if any is intended. But I guess that you very often do. This article is not even about American black people, but you just have to be offended by anything related to non-whites. Kinda sad.

How do you expect mankind to ever get past this?


Point taken.
 
2012-10-29 08:42:35 AM  
Porkahantas?

They recently replaced the word "squaw" in all of Maine's official place names. Now we have "Big Moose Mountain", "Moose Creek", etc. One ski area (privately owned) is still called Squaw Mountain. I don't remember what they used to replace all the "Attractive and Successful African American" place names, that happened quite a while ago...
 
2012-10-29 08:43:52 AM  

j0e_average: The United States and Canada are about the only two places in the world that claim to give a fark about racism.

The US continues to talk a good game, while the Canadians are much farther along in terms of racial equality.


Yeah, the Canadians really surged ahead when they elected a black guy as President.

I think it's all talking a good game. Throughout history, diverse empires have fallen, and homogenous ones have succeeded.

These are still new nations, the US and Canada. Will they even make it to 300 years?
 
2012-10-29 08:45:03 AM  

doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.


How is the story racist?

I thought the problem was the pictures with exaggerated physical stereotypes. Oh noes, Sambo was black.
 
2012-10-29 08:46:09 AM  
So I uh, have a friend with a real yen to see more sexy scantily-dressed young women of Native American descent, it's kind of a thing with him. And he wanted me to ask for more pics, or maybe is there a, you know, a website that has more of this kind of thing?

/it's the highest form of patriotism.
//would also be okay with girls in cowboy hats and spurs.
 
2012-10-29 08:46:43 AM  
my-perfect-babes-blog.com
28.media.tumblr.com
bethtrissel.files.wordpress.com 
a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
s2.hubimg.com
 
2012-10-29 08:47:01 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-29 08:47:12 AM  

j0e_average: Legios:
The Maori decided to band together.

/Look how well that worked out.
//Incredibly well, now that you ask.

Would you mind 'splaining that statement?

From Wikipedia:

Disproportionate numbers of Māori face significant economic and social obstacles, with lower life expectancies and incomes compared with other New Zealand ethnic groups, in addition to higher levels of crime, health problems and educational under-achievement. Socioeconomic initiatives have been implemented aimed at closing the gap between Māori and other New Zealanders. Political redress for historical grievances is also ongoing.


Well, okay, now they're more screwed (very sadly)... But they did well banding against colonialism initially.
linkie

/Has quite a few Maori friends
//Sad to see what's happening...
 
2012-10-29 08:47:21 AM  

smitty04: [www.hillbillycrackpot.com image 300x381]

Stereotypical images of anyone, including hillbillies, should be banned because they might offend someone.


Hillbilly is an offensive term. Person of Appalachian origin is preferred. 

/Zell Miller is not joking about this
 
2012-10-29 08:47:52 AM  
images.discounthalloweencostumes.com

i359.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-29 08:47:52 AM  

Deep Contact: That's because the white people and their germs fire water won.


FTFY
 
2012-10-29 08:49:14 AM  

Legios: sodomizer: Deep Contact: That's because the white people and their germs won.

It seems to me the New World peoples were in full decline when whitey arrived, and his smallpox and guns just finished the job. In particular, you'da thunk that the Amerinds would have banded together to fight the intruders, but they were more concerned with fighting each other or having revolutions and power struggles internally. RIP.

The Maori decided to band together.

/Look how well that worked out.
//Incredibly well, now that you ask.


True.. half the Maori worked for the British.. we gave the weaker side guns to kill the other Maori's (normal practise in colonising a country). The one time the Maori did work together and formed a very large fortification it proved incredibly effective as they essentially invented trench warfare to resist the superior British cannons. They also forced the treaty of Waitangi, a treaty celebrated every year on Waitangi day.

/used to date a kiwi History major and live in Russel (across the bay from Waitangi)
//wrote this whole post before i read the bottom lie of ur post and didnt want to waste it.
 
2012-10-29 08:49:15 AM  
I think the distinction between what makes the costume offensive or not is what it is intended to be.

For example, if I put on a giant sombrero and mustache and say "I'm a Mexican," that's racist.

If I put on the same outfit and say "I'm Emilano Zapata," well... GIS "Zapata." Dude dressed like that.
 
2012-10-29 08:49:56 AM  
Be a honky mf-er for Halloween instead.
 
2012-10-29 08:52:09 AM  

brawberrys: Legios: sodomizer: Deep Contact: That's because the white people and their germs won.

It seems to me the New World peoples were in full decline when whitey arrived, and his smallpox and guns just finished the job. In particular, you'da thunk that the Amerinds would have banded together to fight the intruders, but they were more concerned with fighting each other or having revolutions and power struggles internally. RIP.

The Maori decided to band together.

/Look how well that worked out.
//Incredibly well, now that you ask.

True.. half the Maori worked for the British.. we gave the weaker side guns to kill the other Maori's (normal practise in colonising a country). The one time the Maori did work together and formed a very large fortification it proved incredibly effective as they essentially invented trench warfare to resist the superior British cannons. They also forced the treaty of Waitangi, a treaty celebrated every year on Waitangi day.

/used to date a kiwi History major and live in Russel (across the bay from Waitangi)
//wrote this whole post before i read the bottom lie of ur post and didnt want to waste it.


Oma rāpeti, oma rāpeti
Oma, oma, oma
Oma rāpeti, oma rāpeti
Pūhia te kaiako

/Kiwi ex
//I was being somewhat facetious, but being Australian, I really admire that the Maori did a lot better than Australian Aborigines
///So sad the genocide...
 
2012-10-29 08:55:54 AM  

rnatalie: Non pedo version:

[uesdmotorcycle52.files.wordpress.com image 263x350]


Me likey
 
2012-10-29 08:57:35 AM  

Happy Hours: How is the story racist?

I thought the problem was the pictures with exaggerated physical stereotypes. Oh noes, Sambo was black.


The original pictures were fairly straightforward drawings of a south Indian or Tamil child, with little exaggeration.
upload.wikimedia.org
Some later versions used much more stereotypical images, and changed Sambo from Indian to caricatured African. This comes, unsurprisingly, from Conservapedia:
www.conservapedia.com
Otherwise the story is, as has been said, a charming tale of a bright child who outwits a couple of tigers. It did very well when renamed (and reillustrated) as The Story of Little Babaji.
 
2012-10-29 08:57:40 AM  
Hmmmm, this is turning into a most interesting halloween thread ; )
i1121.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-29 08:58:38 AM  
That's not even a real native costume--it's just a cheap Sioux veneer.
 
2012-10-29 09:04:17 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Hmmmm, this is turning into a most interesting halloween thread ; )
[i1121.photobucket.com image 589x419]


Marry me.
 
2012-10-29 09:05:18 AM  

gregscott: I'm quite interested in etymology, but have no high level training. I've long hand an opinion on the evolution of this word, but first I checked wikipedia, which strengthened my hypothesis:
"Squaw is an English language loan-word, used as a noun or adjective, whose present meaning is an indigenous woman of North America. It is derived from the eastern Algonquian morpheme meaning 'woman' that appears in numerous Algonquian languages variously spelled squa, skwa, esqua, sqeh, skwe, que, kwa, ikwe, exkwew, xkwe, etc. At present, the term is often held to be offensive, though controversy surrounds the historical evidence claimed for such a view."

I presume in the original language, it meant woman, without any other particular connotation. Then bigoted whites used the term in a pejorative way, generally meaning "whore", projecting their own desires and prejudices into the words. And thus the word was sullied, but not in polite company. So for most or all of the time since, the word has had a literal meaning (neutral) and a prurient connotation known to a minority of people.

My comment on the above, which is probably accurate: Why not merely restore the literal meaning, and disavow the pejorative connotation? One reason for this is the lack of a viable alternative: Who out there knows an "acceptable" indian word for "woman".


The thing is to most people squaw just means Indian woman or wife. That's what it meant to me when I was a kid. That's what it obviously meant to the marketer of this costume.

That's probably all it meant to millions and probably most people, but what we see is the PC movement saying "No, you're wrong, that's offensive". And by spreading the word that it is an offensive term they make it offensive to even more people.

Instead of letting any pejorative meaning it ever had slip into obscurity the PC movement is insuring that the insult will live in infamy. By making it known that it is offensive they will insure that some people will use it offensively. It gives bigots another weapon in their arsenal of hate speech.
 
2012-10-29 09:05:27 AM  

Kit Fister: tinfoil-hat maggie: Hmmmm, this is turning into a most interesting halloween thread ; )
[i1121.photobucket.com image 589x419]

Marry me.


Am I the only one who thinks that looks like Kristin Kreuk?
 
2012-10-29 09:07:58 AM  

Legios: Kit Fister: tinfoil-hat maggie: Hmmmm, this is turning into a most interesting halloween thread ; )
[i1121.photobucket.com image 589x419]

Marry me.

Am I the only one who thinks that looks like Kristin Kreuk?


Nope, not at all, looks like I imagine Kristin Kruek would if she decided to go all bad girl. Me likey.
 
2012-10-29 09:11:12 AM  

Baron Harkonnen: [ictmncdn1.tgpstage1.com image 300x449]


Why is that Peurto Rican dude complaining about people dressing up like cartoon Indians?
 
2012-10-29 09:13:06 AM  
Amazing amount of butthurt in this thread. Marketer sells costume with name offensive to some, probably because "Sassy Native American Woman" just don't have that zing. People point out that the costume name offends them. Marketer apologizes and pulls costume.

Seems like just a normal way of doing business to me
 
2012-10-29 09:15:51 AM  

Kit Fister: tinfoil-hat maggie: Hmmmm, this is turning into a most interesting halloween thread ; )
[i1121.photobucket.com image 589x419]

Marry me.


No, but if I just wanted happy fun time would that be okay?
 
2012-10-29 09:16:33 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: They've always live in a multicultural world and are fine with it.


They're disturbed to find out that, after years of self-congratulatory propaganda, it turns out that multiculturalism is racist too.

Bummer.
 
2012-10-29 09:20:45 AM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: That's not even a real native costume--it's just a cheap Sioux veneer.


Bra-frickin'-vo. +10 Internets for you.
 
2012-10-29 09:23:47 AM  

Happy Hours: The thing is to most people squaw just means Indian woman or wife. That's what it meant to me when I was a kid. That's what it obviously meant to the marketer of this costume.

That's probably all it meant to millions and probably most people, but what we see is the PC movement saying "No, you're wrong, that's offensive". And by spreading the word that it is an offensive term they make it offensive to even more people.


See also: nitty-gritty, which has nothing whatsoever to do with slave ships. There are also well meaning people here who claim that "brainstorm" is offensive to people with epilepsy.
 
2012-10-29 09:24:37 AM  
hasty ambush:

www.flagshipfancydress.co.uk

The problem with this last picture is this is how Bavarians actually dress... not all of them of course, but it is not uncommon to see a few of them wandering around where I live.
 
2012-10-29 09:28:06 AM  

timujin: the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

True, it has been used derisively for a long time, they should have known that.

Kathy Paul Dover told the CBC Indians "would never dress like that.

Really? They wouldn't??? Man, and here I thought "nuns" and "nurses" all looked like this:

[www.pinkimpulse.com image 424x600]

[images12.yandy.com image 325x585]



That first picture is five shades of blasphemy. Not cool.


Then I notice that the nurse's uniform also has a cross on it.
And my mind is blown at a symbol of torture which was
transformed into a symbol of altruism coming right back around
to being a symbol for scariness/halloween.

that first one is still blasphemy, though.
 
2012-10-29 09:29:35 AM  

orbister: Happy Hours: The thing is to most people squaw just means Indian woman or wife. That's what it meant to me when I was a kid. That's what it obviously meant to the marketer of this costume.

That's probably all it meant to millions and probably most people, but what we see is the PC movement saying "No, you're wrong, that's offensive". And by spreading the word that it is an offensive term they make it offensive to even more people.

See also: nitty-gritty, which has nothing whatsoever to do with slave ships. There are also well meaning people here who claim that "brainstorm" is offensive to people with epilepsy.


Wait, "nitty-gritty" is offensive? FFS
 
2012-10-29 09:29:53 AM  
Let's see. Tanning Bronze.
Coke bottle glasses.
Buck teeth with fangs.
Afro wig.
Kilt.
Wooden shoes.
"tribal" tattooes.
"Deram" catcher pendant.
Green derby with plastic shamrock in band.

The prefect costume.
 
2012-10-29 09:32:46 AM  

Full Blown Jimbo: This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.


Actually, that's pretty much the definition of political correctness. Blackface is politically incorrect, as is round glasses and buck teeth characterizing Japanese. The term "politically correct" was invented pretty much as a backlash against "politically sensitive" language constructs like "African-American" instead of "Black" or "Negro" (neither of which has negative connotations).
 
2012-10-29 09:33:11 AM  
I wonder if any of the "outrage" could be due to "Sassy Squaw" sounding a bit like "Sasquatch?"

Come to think of it, new costume design. Sassy Sasquatch! Just replace the leather stuff with brown fur.
 
2012-10-29 09:33:51 AM  

rnatalie: cretinbob: log_jammin: cretinbob: squaw=coont

I'm pretty sure that's been debunked.

I wish I still had the article. Yes, I think it has with regards to being a word for vagina, which is not really the same as coont. It's still regarded as a derogative term either way.

It was still a funny map.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 386x503]


my father couldn't stand The Lone Ranger after discovering that Tonto is Spanish for 'stupid'.
 
2012-10-29 09:35:02 AM  

Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.


I'll see your reservations and raise you the Appalachia region.

4.bp.blogspot.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

You are only a victim if you want to be. Nobody forces anybody to remain on a Reservation with their corrupt tribal governments, Nobody forces "fire water" down their throats and nobody says no don't take advantage of the over 100 federally funded education and other programs for American Indians. No stay on your reservation and hope that the buffalo come back, that the highways will disappear and the at you will be" free" once again to roam the plans and make war, enslave and commit genocide against other tribes.

The Nordic peoples have accepted that the Viking days are over. The Celts are no longer painting themselves blue, making human sacrifices and trying to drive the invaders off. And the Moors are not trying to restart the African slave trade- why don't you join them in the 21st Century.
 
2012-10-29 09:38:15 AM  

ghostwind: hasty ambush:

[www.flagshipfancydress.co.uk image 343x539]

The problem with this last picture is this is how Bavarians actually dress... not all of them of course, but it is not uncommon to see a few of them wandering around where I live.


How is it a problem? If you get an Astronaut costume is it demeaning to real astronauts?
 
2012-10-29 09:43:39 AM  

give me doughnuts: log_jammin: An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....

Ever heard of the American Indian Movement?


You mean the hate/domestic terror group? Yes I have
 
2012-10-29 09:51:09 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: That first picture is five shades of blasphemy. Not cool.


Since when did "blasphemy" mean insulting followers of a religion and not the religion itself?
 
2012-10-29 09:51:53 AM  
I'm not sure how to post pics on Fark but the listed address below... mmm... My favorite Halloween idea of the night :)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2392198/Louise-Ryan-is-youn g est-female-undertaker.html
 
2012-10-29 09:52:44 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Wait, "nitty-gritty" is offensive? FFS


The theory is that it originally referred to the detritus found under the, erm, passenger decks of slave ships. Which it didn't. And anyway, I don't think they had grits inflicted on them until they arrived on the plantations.
 
2012-10-29 09:59:42 AM  
You know they only make the costumes because there is a demand for them.
 
2012-10-29 09:59:43 AM  

hasty ambush: The Celts are no longer painting themselves blue, making human sacrifices


you're not coming over to my place tonight?
 
2012-10-29 10:01:33 AM  

hasty ambush: The Celts are no longer painting themselves blue, making human sacrifices and trying to drive the invaders off.


For the most part, anyways.
 
2012-10-29 10:07:43 AM  
This thread is missing Nightwolf & Ravenhawk

www.mobygames.com 

www.trmk.org


i56.photobucket.com

i43.tower.com

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-29 10:13:21 AM  
someone bought the costume anyway
cache.jezebel.com
 
2012-10-29 10:15:49 AM  
You do not have the right to not be offended.
 
2012-10-29 10:18:51 AM  

hasty ambush: Baron Harkonnen: [ictmncdn1.tgpstage1.com image 300x449]

Get over yourself:

images.discounthalloweencostumes.com

[www.springfieldartscouncil.org image 635x900]

[cdn5.funtober.com image 469x900]

[www.flagshipfancydress.co.uk image 343x539]


I'd prefer to get on top of her!

And under, in front of, behind, and (why not?) next to.
 
2012-10-29 10:21:43 AM  
This is the most boring way to go on the warpath.

Can't we just bury the hatchet?
 
2012-10-29 10:23:34 AM  

hasty ambush: You are only a victim if you want to be. Nobody forces anybody to remain on a Reservation with their corrupt tribal governments, Nobody forces "fire water" down their throats and nobody says no don't take advantage of the over 100 federally funded education and other programs for American Indians.


Profound.

Applies to non-Amerinds, too. Up, up and away, off the couch, into the crazy world out there.
 
2012-10-29 10:24:05 AM  

hasty ambush: Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.

I'll see your reservations and raise you the Appalachia region.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 288x283]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 650x480]

You are only a victim if you want to be. Nobody forces anybody to remain on a Reservation with their corrupt tribal governments, Nobody forces "fire water" down their throats and nobody says no don't take advantage of the over 100 federally funded education and other programs for American Indians. No stay on your reservation and hope that the buffalo come back, that the highways will disappear and the at you will be" free" once again to roam the plans and make war, enslave and commit genocide against other tribes.

The Nordic peoples have accepted that the Viking days are over. The Celts are no longer painting themselves blue, making human sacrifices and trying to drive the invaders off. And the Moors are not trying to restart the African slave trade- why don't you join them in the 21st Century.


Things have changed for the better. It doesn't matter now that Mamaw became a widow when the family refused to sell mineral and timber rights for pennies on the dollar. It's been generations since Papaw and his union buddies battled the Pinkertons. You don't have to sell your soul to the company store anymore. American attitudes have changed since we bombed our own citizens in defense of wage slavery. A few of the men can now earn a decent living helping funnel the wealth of the area's natural resources to the Northeast. There's no gate at the mouth of the holler, you're free to travel in search of work. If you avoid establishing an Appalachian enclave where you settle, your kids won't have a discernable accent. You're white, it shouldn't be too hard to pass.
Don't be so sensitive about those Cletus and Brandine stereotypes. If you're really offended by those hillbilly-teeth Halloween costumes at work or you think your boss just might be discriminating against you because of all those aunt-mom jokes he tells, lodge a complaint with HR, they'll set things to rights.
 
2012-10-29 10:25:27 AM  

hasty ambush: Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.

I'll see your reservations and raise you the Appalachia region.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 288x283]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 650x480]

You are only a victim if you want to be. Nobody forces anybody to remain on a Reservation with their corrupt tribal governments, Nobody forces "fire water" down their throats and nobody says no don't take advantage of the over 100 federally funded education and other programs for American Indians. No stay on your reservation and hope that the buffalo come back, that the highways will disappear and the at you will be" free" once again to roam the plans and make war, enslave and commit genocide against other tribes.

The Nordic peoples have accepted that the Viking days are over. The Celts are no longer painting themselves blue, making human sacrifices and trying to drive the invaders off. And the Moors are not trying to restart the African slave trade- why don't you join them in the 21st Century.


But can they still have their share of the casino money?
 
2012-10-29 10:27:06 AM  

hasty ambush: The Nordic peoples have accepted that the Viking days are over.


Which is a shame really. I was in Denmark less than a year ago and nobody would go raid England with me. They all had weird excuses like "I have to go to work in the morning" and stuff like that. Then they showed me the boat I was suggesting crossing heavy seas in, and I decided that I didn't need that sort of suffering in my life.
 
2012-10-29 10:30:05 AM  
rlv.zcache.com

www.thesnowjunkies.com

Well, I guess it's over for S^^^w Valley Ski Resort.

Maybe they can reopen as "White Guilt Gulch"?
 
2012-10-29 10:32:38 AM  

calbert: subby could've at least linked to an article with a photo, not that hard to do, this story and pic are everywhere:


Wow I read the headline as "Sassy Squatch" and was interested to see this companies take on a sexy Sasquatch and how it could possibly be offensive.
 
2012-10-29 10:32:39 AM  

doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.


retrothing.typepad.com

As a kid, we used to go to Sambo's restaurants. The food was quite good.
 
2012-10-29 10:49:42 AM  
I had no idea the term "squaw" was offensive. That's retarded.
 
2012-10-29 11:01:55 AM  
www.band-tees.com
I've sold a ton of these "white guy" costumes.
 
2012-10-29 11:06:53 AM  
Excuse me... did someone ask for a Sassy Squaw?
 
2012-10-29 11:09:40 AM  

MilesTeg: I had no idea the term "squaw" was offensive. That's retarded.


Everything is offensive if you do it right.
 
2012-10-29 11:21:42 AM  

Happy Hours: timujin: True, it has been used derisively for a long time, they should have known that.

By who? Do you think they meant it derisively?

Besides, I don't think they are marketing this to Indians.


They're replacing it with their "Pretty Pickaninny" costume, complete with blackface and nappy wig.
 
2012-10-29 11:24:20 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-29 11:24:20 AM  
I guess no one served them the notice that halloween is the time when there are caricatures of everything and everyone.

They did succeed in getting attention, so, well done, I guess.
 
2012-10-29 11:26:09 AM  
Yeah, I took me a minute or ten to figure out what the problem was. Came here for pictures. (No dissatisfied btw.)
Squaw. Like Stephen Colbert, HOW... would I have known?
 
2012-10-29 11:30:39 AM  
I read that as "Sissy Squaw" and got quite the surprise upon reading TFA.

/had to go online to find a costume that wasn't a "sexy" or "sassy" version of something
 
2012-10-29 11:35:40 AM  
The costume doesn't represent the reality of today's modern aboriginal woman in that not one is slim without being on meth. Every first nations girl here in Canada that I've met (full blood not mixed blood) is very fat and very unattractive. KFC is what today's aboriginal gals are "all about"
 
2012-10-29 11:36:45 AM  

j0e_average: The United States and Canada are about the only two places in the world that claim to give a fark about racism.

The US continues to talk a good game, while the Canadians are much farther along in terms of racial equality.


Yeah! Their black guys play hockey!!
 
2012-10-29 11:46:57 AM  

L.D. Ablo: doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.

[retrothing.typepad.com image 800x618]

As a kid, we used to go to Sambo's restaurants. The food was quite good.


Not sure if they are related, but there is still a Lil' Sambos in Lincoln City, OR.
 
2012-10-29 11:48:44 AM  
j0e_average: The United States and Canada are about the only two places in the world that claim to give a fark about racism.

Except that the Canadaians are ultra racist towards their aboriginal people. From the residential school that children were forced to attend so that their language and culture would be wiped out (and don't forget the sexual abuse) to the 60's scoop where indian agents and social workers could for any reason kidnaps aboriginal children and give them to white couples, to the Indian act and other policies designed to bind aboriginals from seeking legal defense against the government when they broke their treaties.

Canada is not a haven from racism...especially racism towards their first nation's people.

But that doesn't make aboriginal women any less fat...
 
2012-10-29 11:53:09 AM  

blackmtnmantheonly: Them indians should go back to India Indiana where they belong.



FTFY.
 
2012-10-29 11:53:48 AM  

Wolf892: j0e_average: It's much easier to illustrate Canadian bigotry by simply mentioning the Quebecois.

 
2012-10-29 12:01:06 PM  

wellreadneck: hasty ambush: Full Blown Jimbo: Most of you sound white, the kind of people who say "Black Entertainment Television? Where's the white entertainment television? Where's my Miss White America pagent?" You think you're not ignorant and racist, but you are. If you'd grown up on the reservation, you'd feel differently. This isn't about political correctness any more than wearing blackface or round glasses and big buck teeth would be.

I'll see your reservations and raise you the Appalachia region.

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You are only a victim if you want to be. Nobody forces anybody to remain on a Reservation with their corrupt tribal governments, Nobody forces "fire water" down their throats and nobody says no don't take advantage of the over 100 federally funded education and other programs for American Indians. No stay on your reservation and hope that the buffalo come back, that the highways will disappear and the at you will be" free" once again to roam the plans and make war, enslave and commit genocide against other tribes.

The Nordic peoples have accepted that the Viking days are over. The Celts are no longer painting themselves blue, making human sacrifices and trying to drive the invaders off. And the Moors are not trying to restart the African slave trade- why don't you join them in the 21st Century.

Things have changed for the better. It doesn't matter now that Mamaw became a widow when the family refused to sell mineral and timber rights for pennies on the dollar. It's been generations since Papaw and his union buddies battled the Pinkertons. You don't have to sell your soul to the company store anymore. American attitudes have changed since we bombed our own citizens in defense of wage slavery. A few of the men can now earn a decent living helping funnel the wealth of the area's natural resources to the Northeast. There's no gate at the mouth of the holler, you're free to travel in search of work. If y ...


You seem confused. I am not sensitive about any of this stuff. But it seems silly to complain about how "victimized" one group is and shoudl feel offended by a harmless Halloween costume when there are equally if not more worse off groups out there.

I would suggest stupidity like this takes the eye off of and resources need to address the bigger issues in the American INDIAN (yes I said it) Appalachian and other communities. Yes there are bigger issues than Halloween costumes.

If I could find an indenture white servant (SLAVE#) costume would wear one.

White Slavery in America

"The British government had realized as early as the 1640's how beneficial white slave labor was to the profiting colonial plantations. Slavery was instituted as early as 1627 in the British West Indies. The Calendar of State Papers, Colonial Series of 1701 records 25000 slaves in Barbados in which 21700 were white slaves."

The Forgotten Slaves: Whites in Servitude in Early America and Industrial Britain

"Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America's first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too."
 
2012-10-29 12:01:27 PM  

Beaver Knievel: j0e_average: The United States and Canada are about the only two places in the world that claim to give a fark about racism.

The US continues to talk a good game, while the Canadians are much farther along in terms of racial equality.

Yeah! Their black guys play hockey!!


Blacks in Canada represent about 2.5% of the population, and 9.6% of the prison population. The representation in prison is 3.84 times as high as in the population as a whole.

Blacks in the U.S. represent about 13.6% of the population, and 39.4% or the prison population. The representation in prison is 2.9 times as high as in the population as a whole.

Maybe the Canadian criminal justice system is just a little more racist, than in the U.S.
 
2012-10-29 12:01:32 PM  

SevenizGud: JRoo: SevenizGud: Political correctness run amok. How can I help it what someone else finds offensive? Grow a thicker skin, chief.

Will do white devil.

I'm Asian, dillhole.


Then why do you suck at math so badly in all the climate threads?
 
2012-10-29 12:03:02 PM  
HI-how-r-ya, HI-how-r-ya...

Just came in to say I love injuns of all shades of red EXCEPT for two types - indian givers and scalpers!

And now, let us smokum peace pipe, with tobacco from Happy Make Smile Plants' secret garden.

BYE-how-r-ya, BYE-how-r-ya...
 
2012-10-29 12:07:30 PM  

Amos Quito: [rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]

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Well, I guess it's over for S^^^w Valley Ski Resort.

Maybe they can reopen as "White Guilt Gulch"?



That is a weird mountain to ski. The trails are not marked, except at the top of the trailhead. You gotta know where you're going in order to hit the lift at the bottom of the run.
 
2012-10-29 12:12:54 PM  

Friskya: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo was Indian.

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No shiat, I just saw the black face and assumed it was a racial caricature along the lines of similar characters.

Happy Hours: doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.

How is the story racist?

I thought the problem was the pictures with exaggerated physical stereotypes. Oh noes, Sambo was black.


You are correct, I was trying to think of something especially racially objectionable, something easily identified as inappropriate for a child's costume. Someone in black face seemed like a good candidate and it was the only one that came to mind that might be used in such a way. I should have read the Wikipedia entry. I'm sure the Fark collective can come up with a better example.

Kurmudgeon: /try not to piss your pants before the day ends.


Why resort to the ad hominem, do you have nothing substantive to add?
 
2012-10-29 12:13:34 PM  
"Weird... It's as if people are taking offense to the whole 'Sexy, Racist Stereotype' line of costumes!"
 
2012-10-29 12:20:42 PM  

hasty ambush: wellreadneck: hasty ambush: Full Blown Jimbo: Not confused in the least. I assumed the "complain to HR" bit would make my sarcasm obvious, thus making my agreement with your point evident. The links were interesting, but you're preaching to the choir. Not only am I Appalachian, I have Melungeon ancestry, as well.

 
2012-10-29 12:34:08 PM  
Looks more like 60s flower child too me.
 
2012-10-29 12:37:07 PM  
L.D. Ablo:

As a kid, we used to go to Sambo's restaurants. The food was quite good.


That's before they decided to abandon the name, redo the place as a kosher delicatessen and rename it Bob's Jew Boy.
 
2012-10-29 12:42:24 PM  
Go real or go home!

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2012-10-29 12:50:06 PM  

Surool: "Weird... It's as if people are taking offense to the whole 'Sexy, Racist Stereotype' line of costumes!"


Yeah, that I don't get. Adult costumes are a different story. There have been some Fark threads about sexy costumes for kids and I get that people object to that, but "sexy whatever" costumes are the best part of Halloween.
 
2012-10-29 12:56:01 PM  

timujin: Surool: "Weird... It's as if people are taking offense to the whole 'Sexy, Racist Stereotype' line of costumes!"

Yeah, that I don't get. Adult costumes are a different story. There have been some Fark threads about sexy costumes for kids and I get that people object to that, but "sexy whatever" costumes are the best part of Halloween.


"Sexy Pregnant Latina Teen" Sharpie included.
 
2012-10-29 01:09:56 PM  

Full Blown Jimbo: digitalrain: This is SICK (all the political correctness, not the costume). At this rate, I'll be very
VERY surprised if some advocacy group with a stick up their collective asses doesn't
get Halloween banned on the grounds that it teaches and encourages racial, cultural,
and economic stereotypes.

People need to grow the fark up and get over themselves. THIS is what comes of the
sense of entitlement and "never EVER make them feel bad" philosophy that kids have
been raising their kids with the last couple of decades.

Not everyone is going to agree with you. Not everyone is going to blow sunshine up
your ass and tell you that you're the greatest thing since the Frappucino.

There's this pesky thing called freedom of expression. It means that folks can have
views that don't necessarily coincide with yours, as long as their views don't prevent
you from having and expressing *your* views.

The Francis brigade needs to get over itself.

Coffee maker break down?


LOL no - but insane political correctness makes me see red sometimes.
 
2012-10-29 01:25:21 PM  
Pity they pulled that costume. It's one of the few "sexy" costumes I've seen that has a bit of class.
 
2012-10-29 01:26:55 PM  

It's Hallowe'en week, I ain't got the time for racial debate, so here's Stereotypical costumes from "France":

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Fried eggs and beer for everyone!
 
2012-10-29 01:30:31 PM  

Pork1: blackmtnmantheonly: Them indians should go back to India Indiana where they belong.


FTFY.


I thought it was Indonesia?
 
2012-10-29 01:48:18 PM  

Gentoolive: Can we get over this "make sure noones feelers are hurt" crap.


It sure would be nice, huh?

It isn't going to happen though. It's only going to get worse.
 
2012-10-29 01:50:16 PM  

j0e_average: Disproportionate numbers of Māori face significant economic and social obstacles, with lower life expectancies and incomes compared with other New Zealand ethnic groups, in addition to higher levels of crime, health problems and educational under-achievement. Socioeconomic initiatives have been implemented aimed at closing the gap between Māori and other New Zealanders. Political redress for historical grievances is also ongoing.


How much of this is self inflicted? And by that I mean for example Māori on Māori crime. Is there a cultural bias against academic achievement; Is it viewed as "acting white? How many reject the "white devils" culture and attempt to live just as they would have hundreds of years ago. It is easier to blame others when the source of many of your problems are staring back at you from a mirror.

Some cultural/ethic pride is good but not to the exclusion of assimilation so you can't function in a modern society.
 
2012-10-29 01:55:24 PM  

Coyote Doyenne: Excuse me... did someone ask for a Sassy Squaw?


Yes please!
 
2012-10-29 01:59:12 PM  

mbillips: Hillbilly is an offensive term. Person of Appalachian origin is preferred.

"And hillbillies want to be called 'Sons of the Soil,' but it ain't gonna happen."

- Dr. Hibbert
 
2012-10-29 02:27:14 PM  

hasty ambush: j0e_average: Disproportionate numbers of Māori face significant economic and social obstacles, with lower life expectancies and incomes compared with other New Zealand ethnic groups, in addition to higher levels of crime, health problems and educational under-achievement. Socioeconomic initiatives have been implemented aimed at closing the gap between Māori and other New Zealanders. Political redress for historical grievances is also ongoing.

How much of this is self inflicted? And by that I mean for example Māori on Māori crime. Is there a cultural bias against academic achievement; Is it viewed as "acting white? How many reject the "white devils" culture and attempt to live just as they would have hundreds of years ago. It is easier to blame others when the source of many of your problems are staring back at you from a mirror.

Some cultural/ethic pride is good but not to the exclusion of assimilation so you can't function in a modern society.


This. Jews seem to have struck the balance point, in this goy's opinion.

If I were of Native American ancestry, I'd be less pissed off about this and more pissed off about the conditions on reservations.
 
2012-10-29 03:30:32 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: This thread is missing Nightwolf & Ravenhawk


What, no Chief Thunder? His level music is easily one of the most racist things ever in a video game.
 
2012-10-29 03:44:41 PM  

timujin: Kurmudgeon: /try not to piss your pants before the day ends.

Why resort to the ad hominem, do you have nothing substantive to add?


Ahh how cute, a quick little response near the end of the thread, presuming much, yet proving nothing
Here for you again...
"As long as people can be silenced and controlled with political correctness, that's all that matters to you, right?
Look at Calbert's pic, nothing wrong with that costume, change the name on the package and move on."
I consider not being silenced for political correctness sake as very substantive.
/no ad hominem, fail is you.
 
2012-10-29 04:10:02 PM  

Kurmudgeon: timujin: Kurmudgeon: /try not to piss your pants before the day ends.

Why resort to the ad hominem, do you have nothing substantive to add?

Ahh how cute, a quick little response near the end of the thread, presuming much, yet proving nothing
Here for you again...
"As long as people can be silenced and controlled with political correctness, that's all that matters to you, right?
Look at Calbert's pic, nothing wrong with that costume, change the name on the package and move on."
I consider not being silenced for political correctness sake as very substantive.
/no ad hominem, fail is you.


Yeah, surprisingly, I went to bed at 2am, so I missed the rest of the thread (and your ad hominem, which it is even if it's by inference that I am the type of person that pisses myself if I don't like something someone else does. It's childish and makes you look like you don't have anything worthwhile to add other than insults) until I got up this morning. There's a difference between "political correctness" and outright bigotry. Using the term squaw is up there with negro or chink. If you think that's okay, there's something wrong with your ability to empathize with your fellow man. It's not the costume, it's the terminology they used to describe it.
 
2012-10-29 04:35:34 PM  

ghostwind: hasty ambush:

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The problem with this last picture is this is how Bavarians actually dress... not all of them of course, but it is not uncommon to see a few of them wandering around where I live.


Odd, I was stationed in the Bavarian area (Wurzburg and Kitzingen) for 5 years, and the only time I ever saw anyone dressed like that was at a few fests, or Halloween. I've never seen anyone just walking around dressed like that just because.
 
2012-10-29 05:43:26 PM  
I'm offended!!!

/ Now, what are we talking about again?
 
2012-10-29 05:52:22 PM  

sodomizer: These are still new nations, the US and Canada. Will they even make it to 300 years?


How many nations really are 300 years old? If you point to Europe, there have been civilizations there for a long time, but many of the governments -- the nations in their current form -- are quite young. For example, modern France is younger than the US (when our revolution occurred, Louis XVI was still on the throne). Modern Germany only goes back to 1945 or so, as does Italy (and Japan). China is -- what -- 1950's? The UK (in a reasonably modern form) is older (Acts of Union, 1707), but not dramatically.

The US has actually gone for a fairly long time without any major revolution or invasion to "reboot" the government.
 
2012-10-29 06:04:38 PM  

chatoyance: someone bought the costume anyway
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I think she's trolling us!
 
2012-10-29 06:06:17 PM  

L.D. Ablo: doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.

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As a kid, we used to go to Sambo's restaurants. The food was quite good.


I don't remember the food being good or bad, but I do remember them having coloring books for us kids that had Sambo in it!
 
2012-10-29 06:27:33 PM  

Marine1: If I were of Native American ancestry, I'd be less pissed off about this and more pissed off about the conditions on reservations.


Whose fault is it that conditions are so bad?
 
2012-10-29 06:49:49 PM  

orbister: Marine1: If I were of Native American ancestry, I'd be less pissed off about this and more pissed off about the conditions on reservations.

Whose fault is it that conditions are so bad?


The costume company, of course.
 
2012-10-29 07:54:20 PM  

Rufus Lee King: As a white male, this costume offends me:

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I guess I'm just out of luck about that, though.


You get to complain after white men are systematically oppressed for hundreds of years, and remain defacto lessers after.

/white man
 
2012-10-29 08:16:12 PM  

Blue_Blazer: Rufus Lee King: As a white male, this costume offends me:

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I guess I'm just out of luck about that, though.

You get to complain after white men are systematically oppressed for hundreds of years, and remain defacto lessers after.

/white man


You think that only brown people get shat upon? Most people, regardless of color, get kicked around in life. Everydamnbody catches crap from the system, and it is the system that we should be focused upon. The state is the source of almost alll human misery, regardless of race. Keep in mind, for instance, that it was the state which made black people into property. It was the state which kept black people from voting. The white folk were, for the most part, victims of the state too and were not themselves oppressors of black people. The laws were wrong. Things are much better for minorities, but only in the context that they now have it as bad as the rest of us instead of having it much worse. They call that progress? Blame the white folk all you want, but it is the system, the state, which has oppressed you, and yet, most people of color love the state and turn to it for many needs.

So, who is really the slave? They guy who knew he was a slave, or they more recent person who thinks himself free and loves his historic oppressor?
 
2012-10-29 08:54:51 PM  

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2012-10-29 08:56:22 PM  
I never really thought of the word, "squaw" as a derogatory word.

And when you think about it, it's only a name on a box that will hardly been seen by anyone involved with the costume in use.

Now the little girls may be missing out and I know the little boys will be.
 
2012-10-29 09:30:35 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: Blue_Blazer: Rufus Lee King: As a white male, this costume offends me:

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I guess I'm just out of luck about that, though.

You get to complain after white men are systematically oppressed for hundreds of years, and remain defacto lessers after.

/white man

You think that only brown people get shat upon? Most people, regardless of color, get kicked around in life. Everydamnbody catches crap from the system, and it is the system that we should be focused upon. The state is the source of almost alll human misery, regardless of race. Keep in mind, for instance, that it was the state which made black people into property. It was the state which kept black people from voting. The white folk were, for the most part, victims of the state too and were not themselves oppressors of black people. The laws were wrong. Things are much better for minorities, but only in the context that they now have it as bad as the rest of us instead of having it much worse. They call that progress? Blame the white folk all you want, but it is the system, the state, which has oppressed you, and yet, most people of color love the state and turn to it for many needs.

So, who is really the slave? They guy who knew he was a slave, or they more recent person who thinks himself free and loves his historic oppressor?


Um Im pretty sure I agree with you. The white man's state is a tool of oppression. But if you think plumber bubba and sexy squaw aren't worlds apart, well whatever.
 
2012-10-30 12:27:41 PM  

Happy Hours: Sassy Piestawa doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily.


Sassy Sacajawea does roll off the tongue easily.

People need to grow thicker skin.
 
2012-10-30 02:30:01 PM  

pdee: Happy Hours: Sassy Piestawa doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily.

Sassy Sacajawea does roll off the tongue easily.

People need to grow thicker skin.


Well in light of the numerous blatantly shiatty things unapologetic America has done to Native Americans, I think we can suffer them a little dignity by empathizing with their indignation and cutting them just a little slack.
 
2012-10-30 03:32:56 PM  
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2012-10-30 05:49:48 PM  
They've got some awesome costumes.

http://incharacter.com/costumes.php?category_id=AD

Lots more "sassy's" if you click around.
 
2012-10-30 10:32:05 PM  
I have bumped ( wink) into quite a few sassy squaws. That costume is spandex and a tavern jacket.
 
2012-10-31 12:21:31 AM  
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2012-10-31 12:32:06 AM  

SnarfVader: Not sure if they are related, but there is still a Lil' Sambos in Lincoln City, OR.


We had a Sambo's in my town in Georgia when I was young, then they changed it something like Jim Bob's. So from black to redneck. They had to paint the whole place too, because the little black Sambo story was painted all over the walls.
 
2012-10-31 08:19:40 PM  

j0e_average: The United States and Canada are about the only two places in the world that claim to give a fark about racism.

The US continues to talk a good game, while the Canadians are much farther along in terms of racial equality.


Oh yeah. Tons of it. We all know about the famous African-Canadian prime minister, Jamaal Hoserston.

Don't get me wrong: I like Canada. Without some Canadian-Americans in Platte County, MO adopting my grandfather, I wouldn't be here. On the other hand, Canada doesn't have nearly as many people of African descent, and the equal treatment of the First Nations didn't seem to exist when they were living in what is now southern Ontario and the other parts of Canada that had stuff the British and French wanted. If the oil underneath their current land had been discovered earlier, the First Nations would have been told to take a hike on an iceberg.
 
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