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2012-10-28 11:44:10 PM  
I don't
 
2012-10-29 12:03:14 AM  
Sassy Piestawa doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily.
 
2012-10-29 12:18:30 AM  
subby could've at least linked to an article with a photo, not that hard to do, this story and pic are everywhere:

www.kidshalloweencostumes4u.com
 
2012-10-29 12:31:22 AM  
But the company didn't have any reservations about releasing it?
 
2012-10-29 12:52:04 AM  
Someone should Sioux them.
 
2012-10-29 01:37:24 AM  
An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....
 
2012-10-29 01:49:15 AM  
the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

True, it has been used derisively for a long time, they should have known that.

Kathy Paul Dover told the CBC Indians "would never dress like that.


Really? They wouldn't??? Man, and here I thought "nuns" and "nurses" all looked like this:

www.pinkimpulse.com

images12.yandy.com
 
2012-10-29 02:30:52 AM  

timujin: True, it has been used derisively for a long time, they should have known that.


By who? Do you think they meant it derisively?

Besides, I don't think they are marketing this to Indians.
 
2012-10-29 02:41:11 AM  

Richard Saunders: Someone should Sioux them.


I'm sure someone is Hopi right Inuit as we speak. Ute can bet on it. They'll eat Crow.
 
2012-10-29 02:58:34 AM  

Happy Hours: timujin: True, it has been used derisively for a long time, they should have known that.

By who? Do you think they meant it derisively?


By people who speak derisively to native Americans. If you're not aware of this, you're lucky to have not lived around bigots. I have, they suck.

Besides, I don't think they are marketing this to Indians.

So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?
 
2012-10-29 04:13:55 AM  

timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?


Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.
 
2012-10-29 04:33:31 AM  

doglover: timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?

Little Black Sambo is a good book. Have you even read it? Yes, it's racist. But it's not derogatory. Have you read any books from those eras? Racism was less looked down on and more scientific fact. The Indian was a different species with queer customs and admirable savage nobility. But then again, so was the Frenchman.


The acceptability of racism in 1899 versus now also has no bearing on the conversation. Whether or not you find the book to be good is irrelevant. It is, as you say, racist and therefore inappropriate for use as a child's Halloween costume.
 
2012-10-29 04:47:14 AM  

doglover: Yes, it's racist.


Trick or treat !

imageshack.us
 
2012-10-29 05:02:20 AM  
squaw=coont

There was a great map I saw years ago changing all the places in Idaho with the name squaw in them in to coont...coont creek, coont valley, coont butte...It was pretty damn funny.
 
2012-10-29 05:23:10 AM  

cretinbob: squaw=coont


I'm pretty sure that's been debunked.
 
2012-10-29 06:55:25 AM  

log_jammin: An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....


Ever heard of the American Indian Movement?
 
2012-10-29 06:55:57 AM  

timujin: So... if they were marketing Little Black Sambo costumes, would it be alright as long as they weren't marketing them to black people?


Little Black Sambo was Indian.

themoreyouknow.jpg
 
2012-10-29 06:56:28 AM  
Cher had something to say about this.
Half-breed
 
2012-10-29 06:56:47 AM  
Well it's kinda to late for the marketer to take back the costume now because that would make them an

24.media.tumblr.com

uhm... that would make them someone that takes back halloween costumes.
 
2012-10-29 07:01:01 AM  
What a load of sitting bull.
 
2012-10-29 07:01:55 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: But the company didn't have any reservations about releasing it?


How could they?
 
2012-10-29 07:03:18 AM  

timujin: The acceptability of racism in 1899 versus now also has no bearing on the conversation. Whether or not you find the book to be good is irrelevant. It is, as you say, racist and therefore inappropriate for use as a child's Halloween costume.


As long as people can be silenced and controlled with political correctness, that's all that matters to you, right?
Look at Calbert's pic, nothing wrong with that costume, change the name on the package and move on.
If it had been called "Warrior Princess", nothing would have been said.
/try not to piss your pants before the day ends.
//oops, too late
 
2012-10-29 07:05:32 AM  
Political correctness run amok. How can I help it what someone else finds offensive? Grow a thicker skin, chief.
 
2012-10-29 07:07:41 AM  

give me doughnuts: Ever heard of the American Indian Movement?


sure. I've also heard of the United Negro College fund.

/not sure what the filter will do for that word
 
2012-10-29 07:07:46 AM  

Kurmudgeon: timujin: The acceptability of racism in 1899 versus now also has no bearing on the conversation. Whether or not you find the book to be good is irrelevant. It is, as you say, racist and therefore inappropriate for use as a child's Halloween costume.

As long as people can be silenced and controlled with political correctness, that's all that matters to you, right?
Look at Calbert's pic, nothing wrong with that costume, change the name on the package and move on.
If it had been called "Warrior Princess", nothing would have been said.
/try not to piss your pants before the day ends.
//oops, too late


Eh, the leggings are tacky as hell. So are the Uggs ripoffs.
 
2012-10-29 07:08:00 AM  

SevenizGud: Political correctness run amok. How can I help it what someone else finds offensive? Grow a thicker skin, chief.


Will do white devil.
 
2012-10-29 07:10:47 AM  
Oh great, now you will have to go to scalpers to get it.
 
2012-10-29 07:11:34 AM  
www.hillbillycrackpot.com

Stereotypical images of anyone, including hillbillies, should be banned because they might offend someone.
 
2012-10-29 07:17:06 AM  
I just checked with my neighbor Mr. Patel and he didn't have a problem with it.
 
2012-10-29 07:19:54 AM  
Non pedo version:

uesdmotorcycle52.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-29 07:20:08 AM  

log_jammin: cretinbob: squaw=coont

I'm pretty sure that's been debunked.


I wish I still had the article. Yes, I think it has with regards to being a word for vagina, which is not really the same as coont. It's still regarded as a derogative term either way.

It was still a funny map.
 
2012-10-29 07:20:33 AM  
Can we get over this "make sure noones feelers are hurt" crap.
 
2012-10-29 07:21:54 AM  

log_jammin: An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....


In the American Southwest, they don't refer to themselves as Native Americans, but Native Indian or American Indian, or sometimes just Indian. To call them "Americans" at all is more derogatory than Indian.
 
2012-10-29 07:22:21 AM  
imgs.sfgate.com

I am outraged...outraged..that they have a "Cracker Jack" costume. I Demand one million dollars from the United Italian Negro Fund to ease the suffer to my sensibilities that this vile piece of cloth has done to me.
 
2012-10-29 07:22:22 AM  

JRoo: SevenizGud: Political correctness run amok. How can I help it what someone else finds offensive? Grow a thicker skin, chief.

Will do white devil.


I'm Asian, dillhole.
 
2012-10-29 07:22:28 AM  

cretinbob: It was still a funny map.


I remember the map(or at least a similar one), and it was funny.
 
2012-10-29 07:23:24 AM  

log_jammin: give me doughnuts: Ever heard of the American Indian Movement?

sure. I've also heard of the United Negro College fund.

/not sure what the filter will do for that word


Many American Indians / Native Americans prefer the former term still... Of course, most would ideally prefer using their actual tribe name instead of either...
 
2012-10-29 07:23:46 AM  

log_jammin: An Incharacter representative said the company didn't know the term "squaw," which is believed to be derived from the Algonquian word for woman, has come to be considered demeaning and offensive by many Indians.

uh.....


i212.photobucket.com

"I have no problem with the costume. I find it very offensive that you want a refund for the costume when it states no refunds after October 20th. That is not policy and I cannot give it to you."

/You read that in an Indian accent.
 
2012-10-29 07:27:36 AM  

cretinbob: log_jammin: cretinbob: squaw=coont

I'm pretty sure that's been debunked.

I wish I still had the article. Yes, I think it has with regards to being a word for vagina, which is not really the same as coont. It's still regarded as a derogative term either way.

It was still a funny map.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-29 07:29:31 AM  
I just don't understand the things that some people find offensive. It must be exhausting to be that sensitive.
 
2012-10-29 07:30:39 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
disapproves, unsmilingly.
 
2012-10-29 07:30:51 AM  

give me doughnuts: American Indian Movement


I knew a girl once whose boyfriend gave her this necklace with an arrow as the charm on it (the arrow pointed downward). People kept asking her what it was, and she would tell them it was for the American Indian Movement, until one day she said:

"My boyfriend gave it to me, it's for AIM."
 
2012-10-29 07:32:42 AM  

RobSeace: Of course, most would ideally prefer using their actual tribe name instead of either...


That was mostly what I was getting at.
 
2012-10-29 07:34:58 AM  

rnatalie: Potentially NSFW Link


Like the fist of an angry bear spirit!
 
2012-10-29 07:38:38 AM  
I'm quite interested in etymology, but have no high level training. I've long hand an opinion on the evolution of this word, but first I checked wikipedia, which strengthened my hypothesis:
"Squaw is an English language loan-word, used as a noun or adjective, whose present meaning is an indigenous woman of North America. It is derived from the eastern Algonquian morpheme meaning 'woman' that appears in numerous Algonquian languages variously spelled squa, skwa, esqua, sqeh, skwe, que, kwa, ikwe, exkwew, xkwe, etc. At present, the term is often held to be offensive, though controversy surrounds the historical evidence claimed for such a view."

I presume in the original language, it meant woman, without any other particular connotation. Then bigoted whites used the term in a pejorative way, generally meaning "whore", projecting their own desires and prejudices into the words. And thus the word was sullied, but not in polite company. So for most or all of the time since, the word has had a literal meaning (neutral) and a prurient connotation known to a minority of people.

My comment on the above, which is probably accurate: Why not merely restore the literal meaning, and disavow the pejorative connotation? One reason for this is the lack of a viable alternative: Who out there knows an "acceptable" indian word for "woman".
 
2012-10-29 07:38:50 AM  

cretinbob: squaw=coont


False, as even the most cursory googling would show up.

That is what is called a "Pious Fraud", a lie in the service of what is perceived to be the correct. The idea that "squaw=coont" originated in the 1970's, and wasn't widely accepted until it was repeated on the Oprah Winfrey show.
 
2012-10-29 07:41:01 AM  
You heard the man. All women, take off your costume right now!
 
2012-10-29 07:43:12 AM  
Also available:

Cheating Chink
Nasty Nubian
Baby Beaner
Horny Homo
Ticked-off Trailer Trash

and by special order only:

Oppressed White Straight Wealthy Male Christian
 
2012-10-29 07:44:35 AM  
Enough with the PC police.

Our society is composed of thousands of groups. Just about anything is offensive to at least one.

Stop worrying about what's offensive, and let the market decide. If the costume is stupid, people won't buy it.
 
2012-10-29 07:46:15 AM  
Poke a haunt us?

/lame, but hey, had to say it
//let the hate roll out
///racism isn't dead, it's just undead
 
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