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2012-10-29 10:53:36 AM
Florida has laws that are reasonable enough in terms of citizens being able to get permits to carry a gun.

Granted, I don't think a permit should be needed. I favor Vermont carry or Alaska carry where if you're carrying and you get yourself in trouble, there's time enough then for the law to prove that you're one of those prohibited people (like a convicted felon) who isn't allowed to have a gun.

The mother who's concerned about her kids Trick or Treating needs to get one of her armed neighbors to go around with her and the kids on the Trick or Treat run this year. Or she could go as a baseball player and carry a bat--a coyote is no match for a reasonably fit, violent human with a bat. Any mother protecting her children will figure out how to use a baseball bat against a coyote. 2 million years of evolution does have a way of overriding a certain amount of daily idiocy in such circumstances--thank goodness.

After that, she needs to learn how to shoot and get a pistol and a permit. If a coyote goes rabid, then yes, she might need to shoot it.

Otherwise, it's a good idea to leave them there. The city was doing nothing about the rats, and the rats are the bigger health risk. The coyotes are doing something about the rats. Her alternate choice is to biatch until the city exterminates the coyotes and then release hunting-trained feral cats--spayed and neutered ones. Then keep releasing new hunting-trained feral cats as the existing ones are lost. Take the existing ones for vet care as needed. The cats will do good rat control.

The problem is her neighborhood hasn't gotten together in "Neighborhood Watch" style and taken a proactive approach to their serious public health problem. Morons. It's not the coyotes. It's the rats.
 
2012-10-29 10:57:08 AM

I May Be Crazy But...: But, in general, coyotes aren't so dangerous as y'all apparently want them to be. I've gone to sleep listening to them howl and woken up with tracks at the edge of my campsite. (That was weird, since I wasn't in a tent.)


I've had that happen with javelina tracks when I wasn't in a tent, and with cougar tracks when I was, but never with coyotes.

I May Be Crazy But...: Y'all are completely right. Coyotes will eat small people if they're hungry. We aren't their preferred food, but there's no reason it can't happen.


Animals are made of meat. People are animals. Who knew people would be made of meat?
 
2012-10-29 11:11:45 AM

cman: Anyone else think it would be awesome to own a Coyote-Wolf-Dog hybrid?


That dog would totally destroy your house. I've seen dogs with possible coyote or wolf parents; you don't want any of that.
 
2012-10-29 11:31:43 AM

cman: Anyone else think it would be awesome to own a Coyote-Wolf-Dog hybrid?


I have a friend who had a dog that was 1/4 wolf and 3/4 yellow lab. Smart but super high strung and twitchy. If he was crashing on my couch and someone walked through the room, she'd snarl and bare her teeth.
 
2012-10-29 11:37:58 AM
I wish we had coyotes in our neighborhood. Have you priced a new anvil lately?
 
2012-10-29 11:49:02 AM
I had a friend with a dog that had either 25% or 50% wolf ancestry. Can't remember which. She didn't housebreak well, was awfully shy, prone to roll in smelly things. Looked enough wolfish that you could tell she was a hybrid.

I was around her family enough, and her owner was paternal enough towards me, that she treated me as a sort of auxiliary pack member. When I brought a small kitten over she was extremely interested in the kitten and acted like she wanted to take care of it.

So the lupine/canine mix was kind of a matter of what kind of software and how much came pre-loaded on the wetware, and how hard-wired it was.

Had coyotes in my old neighborhood. At least one. The neighbors spoke of "the coyote." I don't think it really occurred to them that "the coyote" might be plural. Anyway, we drove down the street one night and he was in the middle of the street, jogging in front of the car. Made us wonder how many of our neighbors, if they saw him, would mistake him for a stray large-breed dog.

I remember bringing a European tourist home from a pub once, long ago in my misspent youth. The morning after he saw my roommate's two large-breed dogs on the back deck. They were a German Shepherd/Black Lab cross and a German Shepherd/Collie cross. He just about jumped out of his skin. Are those wolves!!!

Other people aren't always as able to tell the difference between dogs and wildlife as we'd think. Seems like a no-brainer, until you run into someone who really does mistake one for the other.

/didn't make a habit of it, but [grin]
 
2012-10-29 11:52:33 AM

feckingmorons: That is near my house. I've seen those little fellas, they don't eat small children they eat rats.

Leave them alone paranoid mom.

/I'd buy that house and fix it up if it weren't mired in litigation.


Curious. That looks like an awesome piece of property. You know the back-story of the litigation? Quick search shows no sales records for the place... ever. Odd.
 
2012-10-29 11:55:17 AM
Our neighbor has a wolf-dog hybrid. He named her 'Mystery'.
 
2012-10-29 12:08:55 PM
Got a lot of coyotes out here. But they know their place. Because they know how far the .308 Weatherby can reach. Closer in, the modified M4 .223 is something they remember the boundaries of as well.

They really are very cool customers. Watching them with their young is a treat. Smart? Crazy smart species. But when they begin to move in on my territory, well ....
 
2012-10-29 12:13:02 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Got a lot of coyotes out here. But they know their place. Because they know how far the .308 Weatherby can reach. Closer in, the modified M4 .223 is something they remember the boundaries of as well.

They really are very cool customers. Watching them with their young is a treat. Smart? Crazy smart species. But when they begin to move in on my territory, well ....


I pefer the 22-250 for my coyote and bobcat killing needs. Clean kills minimal pelt damage
 
2012-10-29 12:42:48 PM

offmymeds: Our neighbor has a wolf-dog hybrid. He named her 'Mystery'.


We had one several years back. "Nikki". Lived 17 years and was probably one of the best dogs I've ever owned. A class act all the way to the day she passed away.
 
2012-10-29 12:46:26 PM

bim1154: offmymeds: Our neighbor has a wolf-dog hybrid. He named her 'Mystery'.

We had one several years back. "Nikki". Lived 17 years and was probably one of the best dogs I've ever owned. A class act all the way to the day she passed away.


Sorry for your loss. 'Mystery's' favorite pastime seems to be chasing a big rubber ball around her yard.
 
2012-10-29 01:34:56 PM
Sounds like a case for condemnation and urban renewal. Eminent domain doesn't always suck.
 
2012-10-29 01:43:22 PM
Coyotes are usually pretty timid of humans. It's WOLVES you've gotta watch out for.

If the neighbors are really that nervous, just send in a couple of bears. That'll fix their coyote "problem".
 
2012-10-29 02:06:52 PM
Hey, now, that's uncalled for! Coyote-Americans have been a part of this country since before its founding, and their rich cultural traditions played a part in making this nation what it is!

/Also, do you have any idea how overrun with roadrunners we'd be if it weren't for them?
 
2012-10-29 10:50:18 PM
They'll probably kill the coyotes and end up with an overpopulation of rats. Rats carry rabies, hantavirus and plague and can transmit diseases to their pets. I'd rather have the coyotes than the rats. Of course, I live in CO and don't have a problem with coyotes in the first place.
 
2012-10-30 12:52:57 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Clemkadidlefark: Got a lot of coyotes out here. But they know their place. Because they know how far the .308 Weatherby can reach. Closer in, the modified M4 .223 is something they remember the boundaries of as well.

They really are very cool customers. Watching them with their young is a treat. Smart? Crazy smart species. But when they begin to move in on my territory, well ....

I pefer the 22-250 for my coyote and bobcat killing needs. Clean kills minimal pelt damage


Very nice varmint round indeed
 
2012-10-30 10:59:07 AM
That .22-250 certainly does make a nice coyote round. My father has been playing with that round for a while and we're at about 4300fps right now.

Sure is a lot faster than the .45-70 I use for deer hunting.
 
2012-10-30 03:27:30 PM

Uncle_Slacker: That .22-250 certainly does make a nice coyote round. My father has been playing with that round for a while and we're at about 4300fps right now.

Sure is a lot faster than the .45-70 I use for deer hunting.


Pa-in-law got me hooked on .220 Swift. It's great for everything from varmints to deer.
 
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