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(AZ Family)   Hey everyone, the country's homeless problem has been taken care now that dozens of affluent people spent the night sleeping in cardboard boxes designed like a castle, a spaceship, and the Eiffel Tower as a sign of solidarity   (azfamily.com) divider line 71
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2012-10-28 06:16:10 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: And what has subby done to try and raise awareness?


Raising awareness is only useful when there exist people who are unaware of the issue. Literally every single person in the world is aware that homelessness exists, ergo this is spectacularly useless, and its only function is to waste time and money that might have been directed at, say, fixing the problem.

And in the case of the shiat in TFA, they raised 34k$, which from the description was likely significantly less than the even cost to arrange and execute even if it were going to be spent on actually helping (hint: it's not).
 
2012-10-28 06:30:42 PM  

DownDaRiver: Dude, you know nothing about me.
I may no nothing about homelessness. Or I might know more than I ever thought I would know.


Yeah show me where I claimed anything about you, douchebag. The hell are you even in here crying about some people trying to raise money to combat homelessness?
 
2012-10-28 06:47:16 PM  
I certainly support the homely.
 
2012-10-28 06:52:56 PM  
This is just a ramble....take it for what it is worth. Just some thoughts on today's version of a tent city charity event.

Homelessness is a multi-faceted problem with almost as many reasons for existing as there are people who consider themselves homeless. Everyone has a story and while many can be lumped into various groups, they all do not share the same exact reasons for ending up where they are. On the other end to, how one moves from that world to one where one can have a roof overhead is just as varied and one person's (or family's) path out of homelessness is often unique. Again, many can be lumped into certain groups, but each person will need to make their own path and follow it.

This is one of the most difficult challenges with social programs succeeding - for every good reason there is to have these programs there are as many caveats that can be offered as evidence they should not exist. The problem is that most times, people are comparing apples and oranges with the issues and the solutions.

For every good part of charity work there is a less than pleasant alternate issue with charity. One event with suburbanites sleeping in cardboard boxes is great, but won't solve the problem....but it might get a few people though a crunch time so they have an opportunity later to take that next step in their personal solution. And while some people might turn their noses up at the idea of nice, clean, well groomed suburbanites slumming it for a night in a stadium and call it disingenuous, there are also quite a few people for whom that $34k will be divvied up into small chunks that will keep the lights on in their apartment or feed their children at least something for maybe a few days. Patched together with other assistance, that same family can at least make a go of it for that month.

From the receiver's end of this charity, my attitude was always be grateful for what one could get but don't be so selfish as to take more than was necessary. There was always another person out there in a worse situation that mine. Spread the opportunity for assistance when one can. In other words, don't be selfish.

And that George Carlin link upthread - yeah, he pretty much hits the nail on the head with that one - especially golf courses and prisons.

/end ramble
 
2012-10-28 06:54:58 PM  

bel4sucks: DownDaRiver: Dude, you know nothing about me.
I may no nothing about homelessness. Or I might know more than I ever thought I would know.

Yeah show me where I claimed anything about you, douchebag. The hell are you even in here crying about some people trying to raise money to combat homelessness?


I didn't insult you. Yet you feel the need to lash out and attack someone without cause.
You don't help or promote any cause in a positive way with that.
 
2012-10-28 08:18:01 PM  
Temps in the 60s? Poor babies.
 
2012-10-28 08:19:27 PM  
I would be interested in seeing the cost of the cardboard city. If any of this money actually goes toward some tangible good for homeless people, then cool. But I am highly skeptical.
 
2012-10-28 08:26:14 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: And what has subby done to try and raise awareness?

Raising awareness is only useful when there exist people who are unaware of the issue. Literally every single person in the world is aware that homelessness exists, ergo this is spectacularly useless, and its only function is to waste time and money that might have been directed at, say, fixing the problem.

And in the case of the shiat in TFA, they raised 34k$, which from the description was likely significantly less than the even cost to arrange and execute even if it were going to be spent on actually helping (hint: it's not).


So I guess AIDS walks, and other fund raisers are pointless since everyone knows about these problems.

Got it. We know about, it so leave us alone.
 
2012-10-28 08:26:17 PM  
This would have been a good use for the Ironic tag, considering that the Scottsdale PD bum-rush every homeless person out of town.
 
2012-10-28 08:32:36 PM  
I dunno, I think 'raising awareness' can be helpful. Our little church (40 people of various ethnic groups) goes out twice weekly to check on the homeless folks. We talk endlessly about it with our friends and they remember the clothing they no longer use and give it to us. They make sandwiches and supply items from their employers to help with comfort and dignity. It takes on average 9 months to interact with a homeless person and get them back into shelter and community. We are completely volunteer and depend on donations. We travel to tunnels, abandoned buildings, streets, bridges and underfunded store front shelters checking on people we know.

A local 'kids escaping gangs' group found out about us and last week we had a dozen former gang members travel with us and comforting others. One of our members is an RN. She'll do on the spot medical exams and help the other agencies by signing off on medical certificates for HUD housing. One guy didn't understand his breathing meds. We went back the next day to do a follow up exam and showed him how to use his meds.

Because we aren't paid workers they are more likely to trust us. We can then get them to trust the agencies. The homeless also ask us to check on 'new' people and provide for them. Once the homeless find new people and realize they aren't out to hurt them, they show them the safe places to sleep and where to get food and services. We received a late night call from a homeless girl we knew. She had found a couple with a baby that became homeless that day, She called asking for diapers and blankets. We couldn't find a shelter for them and drove them to an encampment of safe people for the night. The mom was crying. We told her "It's just like camping and only for tonight." We then called an agency so they could check on them in the morning. (She reconciled with her family and went home the next day).

When we get donations that we can't use ourselves, we disperse them to women's, men's and family shelters. We meet weekly with social services agencies and pass information about individuals, their needs and locations. The local cooperating agency here is the Western New York Homeless Alliance Outreach Subcommittee. We cooperate the VA Homeless Agency, a homeless mentally ill agency and about 30 other agencies. Some provide just food, some provide clothing and shelter. Some provide free medical care.

In my county, there are about 1500 homeless and about 100 known un-sheltered homeless. We concentrate on the un-sheltered. We walk around and hand out water, clothing, blankets and hygiene kits. Kits containing water, sandwiches, deodorant, toothpaste, band-aids and ointment, a washcloth, soap, toilet paper and a snack only cost about 5 bucks.

We got started this April by just asking the shelters and soup kitchens where we could find the people who 'couldn't or wouldn't go indoors.' We just walk around, give an item and start a friendship with them. Then we visit individuals repeatedly. Even the very mentally ill and those prone to violence appreciate us. They are concerned for our safety and volunteer information on why someone may choose to be un-sheltered. Social services may set them up in a rooming house that is completely disgusting or bug ridden, so some of them have shelter, but choose to remain outdoors. Instead of spending a lot of their support money on a room like that, some elect to stay outdoors. Some just can't stand to stay in close proximity in a shelter with active alcoholics or addicts. Some, because of mental illness, can't be around people at all and are outdoors and un-diagnosed. Even when the shelters double their capacity when the temperature goes below 20, some won't come inside for these reasons and others.

I can give you safety information and advice if you want to start something like this in your area. We're evangelical, but we partner with anyone interested in the problem. A local Catholic church's senior citizen's group just collected blankets for us. Once the local agencies found out our intent, they really took us under their wing and supported us. We often travel with these agencies or on our own.

//Apologies for the wall of text
 
2012-10-28 08:53:15 PM  

Gaius: This would have been a good use for the Ironic tag, considering that the Scottsdale PD bum-rush every homeless person out of town.


I wish they would do that to the bar crawling hipster douchebags.
 
2012-10-28 09:15:17 PM  

DownDaRiver: I didn't insult you. Yet you feel the need to lash out and attack someone without cause.
You don't help or promote any cause in a positive way with that.


You claimed I said something I actually hadn't, and got called a douchebag for it. Putting words in people's mouths is douchebag behavior. Check your shiat before you post, and grow some thicker skin while you're at it.
 
2012-10-28 09:41:15 PM  

bel4sucks: DownDaRiver: I didn't insult you. Yet you feel the need to lash out and attack someone without cause.
You don't help or promote any cause in a positive way with that.

You claimed I said something I actually hadn't, and got called a douchebag for it. Putting words in people's mouths is douchebag behavior. Check your shiat before you post, and grow some thicker skin while you're at it.



Dude, I don't know what your issues are. I made an off the cuff comment about something. This is Fark. That's kinda what we do here.
You reached out and trashed me. My comment had nothing to do with you.
And you still come at me and continue to berate me.
It has nothing to do with sensitivity. It has to do with just being a dick towards someone for no reason at all.
Enough said. Go away now.
 
2012-10-28 09:57:15 PM  
Ahhh yes... the loud and droning whines of the Farkers... crying about "rich"people "bringing awareness to homelessness"... as they collectively gather thousands of dollars to by an old politician an over-rated muscle car.

Ya'll are a-holes.
 
2012-10-28 10:28:02 PM  
Martin Sheen lives!
 
2012-10-28 11:27:53 PM  

SomethingToDo: I wonder how many homeless people surrounded the base of the Eiffel Tower boxes and sold trinkets?

/One of these days, Quantum Apostrophe. Boom! Straight to Alpha Centauri!


At the base of the metal one, and up and down the Champs-Elysees, there are plenty of gypsies, homeless, and American hippie teenage vagabonds selling trinkets.
 
2012-10-28 11:35:12 PM  

titwrench: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: And what has subby done to try and raise awareness?

Raising awareness is just code for give us money. They don't actually "do" anything.


At the fancy private college I attended, every year the cleverly named coalition for raising poverty awareness would throw a "homelessness sleepout" where everyone would pitch their camping tents on the Chapel lawn and snacks were provided by Marriott, the college catering service. Best part: in case of rain, the event would be held in the walnut-paneled Great Hall.
 
2012-10-28 11:44:24 PM  

Infobahn: Gaius: This would have been a good use for the Ironic tag, considering that the Scottsdale PD bum-rush every homeless person out of town.

I wish they would do that to the bar crawling hipster douchebags.


I'm with you on that one.
 
2012-10-29 01:37:03 AM  

highwayrun: titwrench: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: And what has subby done to try and raise awareness?

Raising awareness is just code for give us money. They don't actually "do" anything.

At the fancy private college I attended, every year the cleverly named coalition for raising poverty awareness would throw a "homelessness sleepout" where everyone would pitch their camping tents on the Chapel lawn and snacks were provided by Marriott, the college catering service. Best part: in case of rain, the event would be held in the walnut-paneled Great Hall.


If they run out of Merlot are they allowed to use their cell phones to call their parents?
 
2012-10-29 02:53:18 AM  

titwrench: highwayrun: titwrench: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: And what has subby done to try and raise awareness?

Raising awareness is just code for give us money. They don't actually "do" anything.

At the fancy private college I attended, every year the cleverly named coalition for raising poverty awareness would throw a "homelessness sleepout" where everyone would pitch their camping tents on the Chapel lawn and snacks were provided by Marriott, the college catering service. Best part: in case of rain, the event would be held in the walnut-paneled Great Hall.

If they run out of Merlot are they allowed to use their cell phones to call their parents?


You would have to suffer that on your own, but you could get Alejandro to grill you another wild-caught sea bass while you waited for The Pursuit Of Happyness to start.
/mild exaggeration
//rest of it true, though
 
2012-10-29 05:22:38 AM  

Felix_T_Cat: I dunno, I think 'raising awareness' can be helpful. Our little church (40 people of various ethnic groups) goes out twice weekly to check on the homeless folks. We talk endlessly about it with our friends and they remember the clothing they no longer use and give it to us. They make sandwiches and supply items from their employers to help with comfort and dignity. It takes on average 9 months to interact with a homeless person and get them back into shelter and community. We are completely volunteer and depend on donations. We travel to tunnels, abandoned buildings, streets, bridges and underfunded store front shelters checking on people we know.

A local 'kids escaping gangs' group found out about us and last week we had a dozen former gang members travel with us and comforting others. One of our members is an RN. She'll do on the spot medical exams and help the other agencies by signing off on medical certificates for HUD housing. One guy didn't understand his breathing meds. We went back the next day to do a follow up exam and showed him how to use his meds.

Because we aren't paid workers they are more likely to trust us. We can then get them to trust the agencies. The homeless also ask us to check on 'new' people and provide for them. Once the homeless find new people and realize they aren't out to hurt them, they show them the safe places to sleep and where to get food and services. We received a late night call from a homeless girl we knew. She had found a couple with a baby that became homeless that day, She called asking for diapers and blankets. We couldn't find a shelter for them and drove them to an encampment of safe people for the night. The mom was crying. We told her "It's just like camping and only for tonight." We then called an agency so they could check on them in the morning. (She reconciled with her family and went home the next day).

When we get donations that we can't use ourselves, we disperse them to women's, men's and ...


You're a good person.
 
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