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(Deadline)   Argo sails to #1 at the box office, with the confused Cloud Atlas a distant #2 and the indefatigable Hotel Transylvania at #3   (deadline.com) divider line 73
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2012-10-28 12:34:21 PM  
Good. Argo was excellent.
 
2012-10-28 12:59:40 PM  

DamnYankees: Good. Argo was excellent.


This and I even enjoyed Hotel Transylvania. I'm not sure if I want to see Cloud Atlas.
 
2012-10-28 01:10:08 PM  
Can anyone tell me what Cloud Atlas is about? I've seen several commercials and all I know is that it's "epic" and "life changing"... which is usually a sign that a movie is a giant turd.
 
2012-10-28 01:31:06 PM  
I think I expected more from Argo. I can see clinically how great it was, and I enjoyed it fully, t just somehow didn't wow me as "best movie of the year."
 
2012-10-28 01:47:57 PM  

timujin: Can anyone tell me what Cloud Atlas is about? I've seen several commercials and all I know is that it's "epic" and "life changing"... which is usually a sign that a movie is a giant turd.


From the looks of it, my guess is true love transcends time
 
2012-10-28 02:12:00 PM  
Cloud Atlas was really good IMO. At the end, you -should- get it and still want to watch it over. It could have an IQ rating tho.
 
2012-10-28 02:54:13 PM  
Cloud Atlas looked like it was going to give me a brain aneurysm if I went to see it. I think I'll wait for the DVD.
 
2012-10-28 03:29:23 PM  
I worked on Cloud Atlas and it was...well "pretentious" would be a good describer. But it wasn't a "re-imagining" so it had that going for it. Argo was the better movie. But neither should have done worse business than a farking Adam Sandler movie.
 
2012-10-28 03:39:12 PM  

Mugato: I worked on Cloud Atlas and it was...well "pretentious" would be a good describer. But it wasn't a "re-imagining" so it had that going for it. Argo was the better movie. But neither should have done worse business than a farking Adam Sandler movie.


Pretentious was the very first word that popped into my head when I saw that trailer.
 
2012-10-28 03:41:31 PM  
Wow, Argo at #1? I'm impressed, America.
 
2012-10-28 04:14:07 PM  
Good. Argo was great. My husband and I went yesterday. Affleck did a good job of keeping up the tension, in spite of his audience knowing how it would turn out.

Technically it was a near-perfectly executed movie. Affleck's going to be a phenomenal director if this trend continues. The guy has some serious talent.
 
2012-10-28 04:15:59 PM  
Cloud Atlas cost like 200 M or something.
 
2012-10-28 04:24:26 PM  

coco ebert: Wow, Argo at #1? I'm impressed, America.

 
2012-10-28 04:29:55 PM  

DamnYankees: Good. Argo was excellent.


Yeah, but mainly due to the casting of Željko Ivanek.

I think the ending, that Željko Ivanek wasn't in, was more than a little Hollywood thrill making. If it ended with the scene without Željko Ivanek showing the real world routine departure, there would have been no big Hollywood climax. Željko Ivanek would never have tried to run down a 747.

I just like saying Željko Ivanek.

Željko Ivanek.
 
2012-10-28 04:36:08 PM  

timujin: Can anyone tell me what Cloud Atlas is about? I've seen several commercials and all I know is that it's "epic" and "life changing"... which is usually a sign that a movie is a giant turd.


Basically, six different stories with the common thread being being that the characters from each story are like past/future versions of the characters from the other stories, and instead of being in chronological order the timeline jumps back and forth to emphasize how the plots overlap to some extent.
 
2012-10-28 04:38:03 PM  

timujin: Can anyone tell me what Cloud Atlas is about? I've seen several commercials and all I know is that it's "epic" and "life changing"... which is usually a sign that a movie is a giant turd.


Minor spoilers below.

My wife and I saw Cloud Atlas this weekend. If you've read (and liked) the book then I think you'll enjoy the movie. But I'm going to work from the assumption that most people who aren't sure if they should see it aren't familiar with the book.

Cloud Atlas is easily the most ambitious film I have ever seen. In my mind, if you're a movie fan, that alone should make it worth seeing. It should be nominated for Oscars for makeup, costume, editing, sound editing, and effects, and may well win some of those. The closing credits alone may sow up the award for best makeup. It could also easily take nominations for actor and supporting actor as well. You won't appreciate what a wonderful job the film editor did until you realize that the film was shot entirely by two different crews, one headed by the Waschowskis and one by Tow Twyker.

As far as the story goes, well part of what you have to understand is that the story is really 6 separate stories that aren't actually all that related or interconnected. This isn't like Pulp Fiction or Crash or Magnolia where part of what keeps you watching is figuring out the connections between the characters and how their stories interact. To a large extent they don't, and if that's the payoff you're waiting for, you will leave (as apparently many have) disappointed. In each story, one of the characters from that story learns the story of one of the characters in the previous one. This takes place in a journal, or in love letters, or a song, or a movie, or a holographic projection. What each prior story is really telling you is about what karma, good or ill, that character is carrying over into the next story. In that way, the things that happen to each character in each subsequent story are a reflection of the actions they took in the prior story.

The plotting isn't the same as in the book, which I don't entirely understand since the book's structure is part of the key to understanding its theme (in the book, the Cloud Atlas Sextet follows the same structure, which is explained in the book I assume to foreshadow to the reader how the story will unfold. In the book the story structure is simply 'nested.' That is, it follows an ABCDEFEDCBA structure. Each of the first 5 stories is interrupted in the middle and then jumps to the next story, until the 6th story which is told straight through, and then each of the prior stories finishes in reverse order of when they were introduced. This structure is also seen in Steven's King's recent book The Wind Through the Keyhole, and I assume King was influenced by Cloud Atlas to some extent.

In the movie, this relatively simple nested structure is discarded and replaced with a far more complicated one that I can't begin to summarize here, but it's more that it takes turns rotating through the various stories. I think this contributes to the expectation that eventually the connection between the stories will be revealed so I don't think the change to the plotting really helps the movie. Also, the dialects used in the two future sequences, are authentic to the way the book was written. But, in the book if you didn't understand a sentence you could go back and reread it until you figured out from the context what it meant. The movie stays almost too true to the dialect, and the result is that some parts of the movie are simply incomprehensible. And I don't mean "Bane" incomprehensible, I mean needs subtitles like a foreign language (which in many ways it is) incomprehensible.

So the movie is difficult to follow, and times plodding, and in the end lacks any real payoff even if you did manage to stay engaged and follow it all the way through.

But despite all of that I plan to see it again and recommend it to anyone who asks.
 
2012-10-28 04:39:07 PM  
Argo was awesome. saw it i think opening day and figured it would etiehr die a quick death or make a shiatload of money.

i was surprised that i had never heard of the incident.

amazing film.
 
2012-10-28 04:47:52 PM  
Argo Fark yourself.
 
2012-10-28 04:48:59 PM  
I really liked Cloud Atlas and want to see it again. It's about a bunch of people reincarnating over and over into different eras. Some people make the same mistakes they made before, others learn and their next persona grows into a better person. It's confusing only at the beginning, and then gets incredibly funny and entertaining as you continue through it. The 2012 timeline involving a bunch of senior citizens trapped in an old English Manor a la Downton Abbey was hysterical, and the futuristic version of New Seoul was beautiful and well done (if not dystopian and horrifying). The best performance goes to the Asian lead, Xun Zhou, her performance as a robot human hybrid was very sad and elegant.
 
2012-10-28 04:53:22 PM  
In case you're interested, here's the original Wired article that Argo is based on.

And yeah, put me in the "I loved it" camp for Cloud Atlas. Great, great film.
 
2012-10-28 04:59:09 PM  

Jaws_Victim: I really liked Cloud Atlas and want to see it again. It's about a bunch of people reincarnating over and over into different eras. Some people make the same mistakes they made before, others learn and their next persona grows into a better person. It's confusing only at the beginning, and then gets incredibly funny and entertaining as you continue through it. The 2012 timeline involving a bunch of senior citizens trapped in an old English Manor a la Downton Abbey was hysterical, and the futuristic version of New Seoul was beautiful and well done (if not dystopian and horrifying). The best performance goes to the Asian lead, Xun Zhou, her performance as a robot human hybrid was very sad and elegant.


Are all the characters famous monarchs in their past lives?
 
2012-10-28 05:01:34 PM  
Something tells me Paranormal Activity will get a jump on Halloween and Wreck It Ralph will win next week.

Argo's good though.
 
2012-10-28 05:04:01 PM  
Suck it, Ti-Cats!
 
2012-10-28 05:19:54 PM  
I started reading the book, made it to the start of the 3rd story, and am still wondering what the fuss is about. Neither of the first two stories seems compelling, and the writing was fine, but not so awesome that I can enjoy it just on that level. Does it improve? Am I missing something? Why all the fuss???
 
2012-10-28 05:50:59 PM  

netringer: DamnYankees: Good. Argo was excellent.

Yeah, but mainly due to the casting of Željko Ivanek.

I think the ending, that Željko Ivanek wasn't in, was more than a little Hollywood thrill making. If it ended with the scene without Željko Ivanek showing the real world routine departure, there would have been no big Hollywood climax. Željko Ivanek would never have tried to run down a 747.

I just like saying Željko Ivanek.

Željko Ivanek.


I rolled my eyes at the guys charging down the gate and driving onto the tarmac and asking why they didn't just call air traffic control and tell the plane not to take off, and my foreign born fiance pointed out that the revolutionary guards were goons with guns and may not have thought of such a thing in the heat of the moment. Still, I was waiting for them to start shooting at the plane and thinking "Jesus, this can't possibly have happened this way."
 
2012-10-28 06:25:31 PM  
Cloud Atlas was hilarious and gory as fark.

The movie is about slavery. It was fun, with heavy science fiction themes and had sweet old people goodness in it as well.

pussy
 
2012-10-28 06:31:17 PM  
Cloud Atlas is a grand experiment in storytelling and in the end utterly pointless.
 
2012-10-28 06:46:34 PM  

netringer: Yeah, but mainly due to the casting of Željko Ivanek.


He is awesome. I've been a fan since first seeing him in Homicide: Life on the Streets years ago. It' a shame they didn't keep him on True Blood longer.
 
2012-10-28 06:52:03 PM  
Decided to give Silent Hill a go last night. I've had to deal with rude crowds before but fark, I'd never seen this one before. Whole family sitting in the row in front of me that wouldn't shut up, spent most of the first half texting or Facebooking, yadda, yadda, then came the kicker. See, they brought their kid, who was around 1 or 2 tops, to this 10 pm show. She did nothing but screech gibberish at random intervals, as kids do. To quiet her down, mom put the kid on her lap, handed the kid her phone and started playing Yo Gabba Gabba episodes at full volume. I finally went out to complain. The manager pulled almost the entire family (nearly a whole row) who were on their phones out into the lobby. When they came back in, the mom got really indignant and started yelling at full volume to her husband (about 4 seats down now since no one was in the same seat anymore) that, "some farking asshole complained that my phone was out. What am I supposed to do? She doesn't want to watch the movie, it's too scary for her!" She didn't realize the manager was still standing there and he immediately went over and told them to leave. The entire audience began to applaud until the last one was out of the auditorium. I hope that embarrassment keeps assholes like that out of the theater for good.

/Silent Hill was only okay. 5/10. Wait for DVD if you're curious. Granted, I missed a lot.
//Seen everything else worth seeing and had no interest in Cloud Atlas.
///Argo was awesome.
 
2012-10-28 06:52:43 PM  

toddalmighty: Cloud Atlas is a grand experiment in storytelling and in the end utterly pointless.


that was kind of my impression with the book. The ties from one story to the next felt like an afterthought. Even though the book started out promising, I also thought the resolution to each story was kind of a "that's it?" kind of ending that didn't really amount to anything.

though I'm still interested in seeing the movie if only because it looks like the stories in the book will be fleshed out a bit more.
 
2012-10-28 06:57:34 PM  

fisker: Cloud Atlas was hilarious and gory as fark.

The movie is about slavery. It was fun, with heavy science fiction themes and had sweet old people goodness in it as well.

pussy


I thought the sex was okay too. Plus Soylent Green.
 
2012-10-28 07:30:12 PM  

texdent: timujin: Can anyone tell me what Cloud Atlas is about? I've seen several commercials and all I know is that it's "epic" and "life changing"... which is usually a sign that a movie is a giant turd.

From the looks of it, my guess is true love Tom Hanks transcends time


He is the overmind.
 
2012-10-28 07:41:26 PM  
I just finished reading Cloud Atlas today (the movie isn't released in NZ until January). I really enjoyed how language was used in the novel. It goes from an artful eloquence of the nineteenth century, through contemporary speech to a dystopian corporate future where brand names have replaced words for everyday objects ('ford' instead of 'car', or 'starbuck' instead of 'coffee'. Even further is an English pidgin in post apocalyptic Hawaii. I found that a little difficult to follow at first and if it is repeated in the movie I can easily see it confusing a sizeable chunk of the audience.
 
2012-10-28 07:57:18 PM  
I loved Cloud Atlas
 
2012-10-28 09:31:50 PM  

OregonVet: Cloud Atlas was really good IMO. At the end, you -should- get it and still want to watch it over. It could have an IQ rating tho.


I love it when people fire off 'you're a retard if you don't get this and I loved it so I'm a genius' lines.

Can anyone compare the novel cloud atlas to something? I keep hearing about the 'prose' and 'use of language' and other stuff.

Honestly I look for the same thing in a novel I look for in a movie, simple clean entertainment. I'm not going to be getting life changing stuff out of it, and don't really have any interest in plumbing the depths of my soul/your soul/the human condition/etc.

So to me, so far, the novel sounds like a pass.
 
2012-10-28 09:32:33 PM  

thisispete: I found that a little difficult to follow at first and if it is repeated in the movie I can easily see it confusing a sizeable chunk of the audience.


It does, and it did.
 
2012-10-28 09:37:37 PM  

OregonVet: Cloud Atlas was really good IMO. At the end, you -should- get it and still want to watch it over. It could have an IQ rating tho.


Are you being ironic?
 
2012-10-28 09:50:26 PM  

Fano: netringer: DamnYankees: Good. Argo was excellent.

Yeah, but mainly due to the casting of Željko Ivanek.

I think the ending, that Željko Ivanek wasn't in, was more than a little Hollywood thrill making. If it ended with the scene without Željko Ivanek showing the real world routine departure, there would have been no big Hollywood climax. Željko Ivanek would never have tried to run down a 747.

I just like saying Željko Ivanek.

Željko Ivanek.

I rolled my eyes at the guys charging down the gate and driving onto the tarmac and asking why they didn't just call air traffic control and tell the plane not to take off, and my foreign born fiance pointed out that the revolutionary guards were goons with guns and may not have thought of such a thing in the heat of the moment. Still, I was waiting for them to start shooting at the plane and thinking "Jesus, this can't possibly have happened this way."


Reading the real story from Wired (link above) confirmed what I thought: the whole climax tension was all Hollywood fantasy. They did just get on the frickin' jet and get out scott free. There was only a short delay for departure. There wasn't even an issue with the white/yellow paperwork matchup.

You can always count on incompetent guvmint workers.
 
2012-10-28 10:13:05 PM  

kroonermanblack:
Can anyone compare the novel cloud atlas to something? I keep hearing about the 'prose' and 'use of language' and other stuff.


It's a little bit like Moby Dick in that different kinds of writing are used in the book. You get diary entries, letters and interview transcripts constructed to form the story. The post-apocalyptic part is recounted as a story around a campfire. The pidgin English I mentioned required the same concentration from me as Irvine Welsh's Trainspotting, where he wrote the Scottish dialect phonetically. I had to sound it out in my head rather than skim past it. E.g.:

"Old Georgie's path an' mine crossed more times'n I'm comfy mem'ryin', an' after I'm died, no satin' what that fancy devil won't try an' do to me ... so gimme some mutton an' I'll tell you 'bout our first meetin'. A fat joocesome slice, nay, none o'your burnt wafery off'rin's..."

It's not a life changing book. It's message was sometimes bad things happen to good people and sometimes good things happen to good people too. Hardly a profound revelation. But I liked it.
 
2012-10-28 10:17:35 PM  
Saw Cloud Atlas. Loved it.
 
2012-10-28 10:33:38 PM  

thisispete: It's message was sometimes bad things happen to good people and sometimes good things happen to good people too. Hardly a profound revelation. But I liked it.


:Spoiler Alert:

No, it's message was that sometimes bad things happen to good people, but that's because they had bad karma in their past lives. The people who had good karma build up from their past lives and continued to good continue to see good results (in the movie, Halle Berry's characters and the various incarnations of Sonmi). The people who had bad karma from their past lives had bad things happen to them even though they were now doing "good" things until they had payed back their karma debt and were eventually allowed some version of a happy ending. (Tom Hanks). The people who bad things and never paid off their karmic debts end up with no happy ending (Hugh Grant). And the people who did horrific things throughout their past lives ended up as incarnations of evil (demons) that fate wouldn't even reincarnate in a body anymore, and all they could do is hang around and torment the living (Hugo Weaving).
 
2012-10-28 10:34:04 PM  
Saw Chasing Mavericks, which finished in....oh, 12th.
 
2012-10-28 10:40:57 PM  
Cloud Atlas is a 3 hour snooze-fest. And before you jump on me for not liking art films or anything like that, I enjoy all types of films including art films.

The problems with Cloud Atlas are:
- the cutting between the six stories is random - no rhyme or reason
- the connection between the six stories is non-existent for most of the movie and nebulous at best at the end of the movie
- not all of the six stories are interesting - most are OK at best
- it is too long - seriously - 3 hours needs to be riveting material and this was mildly interesting at its best parts

Roger Ebert once said "No good movie is too long and no bad movie is short enough.". This movie was way too long.
 
2012-10-28 10:49:55 PM  

kroonermanblack: I keep hearing about the 'prose' and 'use of language' and other stuff.


Speaking of "use of language". The vernacular of the future primitives was apparently written by young children. The word truth apparently has evolved into "the tru-tru". Now take every other noun and devolve it down into toddler-speak and you have Tom Hanks dialog in that section of the movie.

It was nails-on-a-chalk-board annoying for me.
 
2012-10-28 11:55:40 PM  

timujin: Can anyone tell me what Cloud Atlas is about? I've seen several commercials and all I know is that it's "epic" and "life changing"... which is usually a sign that a movie is a giant turd.


It's not bad as such. But no, it's not particularly epic or life-changing, the ad campaign and some of the plotting design and experimental cinema elements are just something you have to live with during Oscar season. That said, under the inch-thick layer of Oscar bait there's a set of solid, if kinda standard and unimaginative, plotlines and the acting's not bad.

Basically, not a waste of time you were intending to spend at the theater or anything. I'd recommend it if you're already seen Argo a couple times. If not, go see Argo again. Acting, makeup, writing, and costumery are all better and it doesn't go for a trite moral at the end.

//If you really want a plot description, basically it's Love Actually -style anthology stuff with a more taking-itself-seriously vibe and a wider set of genres in the sub-plots. The plots are only tenuously connected but that's largely fine as most people will find at least three of the six moderately engaging.

Farking Canuck: The vernacular of the future primitives was apparently written by young children. The word truth apparently has evolved into "the tru-tru".


Yeah, almost every Hanks character was absurdly overwrought and he mumbled way too much. Dude's getting a little too method as he gets older, I think.

Hugo weaving putting on his dapper steampunk gear and green makeup and growling anti-jimminy-cricket one-liners at him in every other scene, though, actually made the movie for me. So. farking. Hilarious.
 
2012-10-29 12:33:12 AM  
Cloud atlas was not a great movie but it was very entertaining and worth a watch in theaters. The Soylent green story connection was horrifying dark humor.
 
2012-10-29 12:50:02 AM  
Go see Cloud Atlas.

/if you want to watch a grown up film.
 
2012-10-29 12:58:09 AM  

Setsuna: Go see Cloud Atlas.

/if you want to watch a grown up film.


Or need a 3 hour nap.
 
2012-10-29 12:58:40 AM  

Talondel: No, its message was that sometimes bad things happen to good people, but that's because they had bad karma in their past lives.


Karma, eh? So it's a more pretentious My Name is Earl, with Tom Hanks as the Eternal Crabman?
 
2012-10-29 01:11:56 AM  
Just saw Argo. Ben Affleck is an OK actor, but by god can that man direct. Argo is a flawless thriller with a great sense of humor and retro feel. I would love to see two movies with George Clooney and him in which each one directs the other.

/really like how he didn't take any political cheap shots
//understands he took liberties with the story to ratchet up the suspense
 
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