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2012-10-28 03:43:39 PM  
Wow, more money spent with nothing in return. I'm so glad the budget is balanced, unemployment is under 5%, and all major conflicts in the Middle East have been resolved. Its good to see we have so much extra money laying around that we can send remote controlled cars to another planet for no reason. Thanks 0bama.

/am I doing this right
//cool news
 
2012-10-28 03:45:24 PM  

the_rhino:
/am I doing this right
//cool news


You're no QA, but you've got potential, kid.
 
2012-10-28 03:47:07 PM  
Still forgotten:

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-10-28 03:59:39 PM  

the_rhino: Wow, more money spent with nothing in return. I'm so glad the budget is balanced, unemployment is under 5%, and all major conflicts in the Middle East have been resolved. Its good to see we have so much extra money laying around that we can send remote controlled cars to another planet for no reason. Thanks 0bama.

/am I doing this right
//cool news


Oh, go fark yourself you stupid....oh, well played.
 
2012-10-28 04:02:37 PM  

Katolu: the_rhino: Wow, more money spent with nothing in return. I'm so glad the budget is balanced, unemployment is under 5%, and all major conflicts in the Middle East have been resolved. Its good to see we have so much extra money laying around that we can send remote controlled cars to another planet for no reason. Thanks 0bama.

/am I doing this right
//cool news

Oh, go fark yourself you stupid....oh, well played.


One bite is better than none I guess.
 
2012-10-28 04:06:48 PM  
I wish I could go back in time and do college all over again. I would love to have gone into astronomy into or some similar discipline. Instead I earned a BA in history and work as a retail dept. supervisor who occasionally trolls Fark. Oh well. Hindsight is 20/20.

Lets land some shiat on Io.

/Yesterdays pulsar article was cooler.
 
2012-10-28 04:07:50 PM  

the_rhino: Wow, more money spent with nothing in return. I'm so glad the budget is balanced, unemployment is under 5%, and all major conflicts in the Middle East have been resolved. Its good to see we have so much extra money laying around that we can send remote controlled cars to another planet for no reason. Thanks 0bama.

/am I doing this right
//cool news


Nice effort! Keep trying, and you'll get there. :) 6/10
 
2012-10-28 04:15:33 PM  

the_rhino: I wish I could go back in time and do college all over again. I would love to have gone into astronomy into or some similar discipline. Instead I earned a BA in history and work as a retail dept. supervisor who occasionally trolls Fark. Oh well. Hindsight is 20/20.

Lets land some shiat on Io.

/Yesterdays pulsar article was cooler.


Well, it's not like scientists in NASA have a bright future these days.
 
2012-10-28 04:24:04 PM  
I doubt they will want to waste fuel to haul back a dead rover that still has radioactive material glowing away inside of it. The only thing a derelict rover might be good for back on Earth is to study it's parts for long-term radiation and micrometeorite exposure over several years. This was part of the Apollo XII mission when they went to retrieve parts of Surveyor III, which landed over 2 years prior.

galaxywire.net
www.hq.nasa.gov
Camera

www.collectspace.com
Scoop
 
2012-10-28 04:38:07 PM  

the_rhino: Wow, more money spent with nothing in return


Well, there's the rover. That returns.

Otherwise, way to troll... the geek tab.
 
2012-10-28 04:48:13 PM  

Ed Grubermann: the_rhino:
/am I doing this right
//cool news

You're no QA, but you've got potential, kid.


How's the Mars condo coming along? Pick the kitchen counter yet?
 
2012-10-28 04:51:02 PM  
I get the vision, but this was a pretty stupid way of trying to convey it.
 
2012-10-28 05:01:07 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Ed Grubermann: the_rhino:
/am I doing this right
//cool news

You're no QA, but you've got potential, kid.

How's the Mars condo coming along? Pick the kitchen counter yet?


How's the curing death thing going?
 
2012-10-28 05:03:28 PM  

legion_of_doo: Well, it's not like scientists in NASA have a bright future these days.


Their future has never been brighter. Outside of NASA.

/private companies gobbling them up
//kind of sad in its own way tho
 
2012-10-28 05:06:51 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I doubt they will want to waste fuel to haul back a dead rover that still has radioactive material glowing away inside of it. The only thing a derelict rover might be good for back on Earth is to study it's parts for long-term radiation and micrometeorite exposure over several years. This was part of the Apollo XII mission when they went to retrieve parts of Surveyor III, which landed over 2 years prior.

[galaxywire.net image 550x413]
[www.hq.nasa.gov image 504x719]
Camera

[www.collectspace.com image 500x675]
Scoop


Yeah, its far more likely to end up in a museum on Mars, if we ever colonize it. Who knows what condition it would be in by the 2100-2200s either. The low radiation from the RTGs isn't much of a problem, but there's no way anyone would justify the money to bring back the whole rover, rather than hundreds of kilos of rock samples. Hubble will be destructively de-orbited when its lifetime is over, and thats just in LEO.
 
2012-10-28 05:24:26 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Yeah, its far more likely to end up in a museum on Mars, if we ever colonize it. Who knows what condition it would be in by the 2100-2200s either. The low radiation from the RTGs isn't much of a problem, but there's no way anyone would justify the money to bring back the whole rover, rather than hundreds of kilos of rock samples. Hubble will be destructively de-orbited when its lifetime is over, and thats just in LEO.


Well, LEO is hard because of the speed the Hubble is flying at and its size... The rover isn't currently orbiting at 10000 mph or whatever it is. I still think it'd be a waste of energy, though, at this point.
 
2012-10-28 05:34:22 PM  

the_rhino: Wow, more money spent with nothing in return. I'm so glad the budget is balanced, unemployment is under 5%, and all major conflicts in the Middle East have been resolved. Its good to see we have so much extra money laying around that we can send remote controlled cars to another planet for no reason. Thanks 0bama.

/am I doing this right
//cool news


Great to see the politics tab bleeding into the Geek tab these days.

-4/10
 
2012-10-28 05:46:03 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Quantum Apostrophe: Ed Grubermann: the_rhino:
/am I doing this right
//cool news

You're no QA, but you've got potential, kid.

How's the Mars condo coming along? Pick the kitchen counter yet?

How's the curing death thing going?


Very well, actually. In case you haven't noticed, all people born in the West since the early 20th century have benefited from an extended lifespan thanks to things as simple as washing hands before surgery, better neonatal care, germ theory, oh, and hundreds of other things you take for granted. How many people does that make?

How many people live in space?  And that's generously defining the upper atmosphere/LEO as "space", in the same sense as "space" is meant to represent the rest of the universe.

Are you going for a classic colonial look for your Mars condo, or stainless steel everywhere? Did you find a good location with a decent school for the little Martians?
 
2012-10-28 06:00:09 PM  
rescue mission to Mars
 
2012-10-28 06:11:29 PM  
I think the only thing funnier than watching QA fly into a huff in response to less than ten words is to watch him fail at his weak brand of trolling in Food Network and Honey Boo Boo threads.. Have you still not realized what a joke you are, dude?
 
2012-10-28 07:04:22 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: all people born in the West since the early 20th century have benefited from an extended lifespan


No, people have stopped having such a reduced lifespan. Looks the same but is completely different. Nobody has extended their life, which implies life extra to the years you would get simply from eating well and staying clean and fit.
 
2012-10-28 07:04:27 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: GranoblasticMan: Quantum Apostrophe: Ed Grubermann: the_rhino:
/am I doing this right
//cool news

You're no QA, but you've got potential, kid.

How's the Mars condo coming along? Pick the kitchen counter yet?

How's the curing death thing going?

Very well, actually. In case you haven't noticed, all people born in the West since the early 20th century have benefited from an extended lifespan thanks to things as simple as washing hands before surgery, better neonatal care, germ theory, oh, and hundreds of other things you take for granted. How many people does that make?


You're right. Space travel hasn't improved at all since before the early 20th century.
 
2012-10-28 07:13:59 PM  
What Curiosity was doing:

Youtube
 
2012-10-28 07:22:36 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: GranoblasticMan: Quantum Apostrophe: Ed Grubermann: the_rhino:
/am I doing this right
//cool news

You're no QA, but you've got potential, kid.

How's the Mars condo coming along? Pick the kitchen counter yet?

How's the curing death thing going?

Very well, actually. In case you haven't noticed, all people born in the West since the early 20th century have benefited from an extended lifespan thanks to things as simple as washing hands before surgery, better neonatal care, germ theory, oh, and hundreds of other things you take for granted. How many people does that make?

How many people live in space?  And that's generously defining the upper atmosphere/LEO as "space", in the same sense as "space" is meant to represent the rest of the universe.

Are you going for a classic colonial look for your Mars condo, or stainless steel everywhere? Did you find a good location with a decent school for the little Martians?


Not to pic nits, but why are American life expectancies not keeping up with the rest of the first world? Especially while outspending everyone else on health by a massive amount.
 
2012-10-28 07:27:54 PM  
and put me down for the martian equivalent of granite for my counters...
 
2012-10-28 08:27:31 PM  

sno man: and put me down for the martian equivalent of granite for my counters...


Doesn't granite outgas radon in closed environments?

Not an issue on Earth, might be in a closed bubble
 
2012-10-28 08:55:01 PM  

sno man: Quantum Apostrophe: GranoblasticMan: Quantum Apostrophe: Ed Grubermann: the_rhino:

Not to pic nits, but why are American life expectancies not keeping up with the rest of the first world? Especially while outspending everyone else on health by a massive amount.


Fat people and meth.
 
2012-10-28 08:57:55 PM  

Shadow Blasko: sno man: and put me down for the martian equivalent of granite for my counters...

Doesn't granite outgas radon in closed environments?

Not an issue on Earth, might be in a closed bubble


My Condo isn't in Venusville, my closed environment has more air than that, besides I know how to turn on the reactor...
 
2012-10-28 09:01:07 PM  

sno man: Not to pic nits, but why are American life expectancies not keeping up with the rest of the first world? Especially while outspending everyone else on health by a massive amount.


There's a lot of stuff that goes into the stats. Between what we classify as a live birth & what other developed countries consider live births, the violence that is necessarily part of our culture, and many other factors to consider before you dumb down health care to life expectancy.
 
2012-10-28 09:19:54 PM  

legion_of_doo: sno man: Not to pic nits, but why are American life expectancies not keeping up with the rest of the first world? Especially while outspending everyone else on health by a massive amount.

There's a lot of stuff that goes into the stats. Between what we classify as a live birth & what other developed countries consider live births, the violence that is necessarily part of our culture, and many other factors to consider before you dumb down health care to life expectancy.


seriously... necessary culture of violence?!? I suppose ya'll have to justify second amendment solutions... I was mostly being rhetorical btw... However getting your heads around universal health care and putting a whole level of bureaucracy out the window, making your health dollars work for health, not for insurance companies might help.
 
2012-10-28 09:51:54 PM  
don't post the comic don't post the comic don't post the comic don't post the

Saberus Terras: Still forgotten:

[imgs.xkcd.com image 639x862]


CURSE YOU!!!!!

/alternately shakes tiny fists and wipes away tears
 
2012-10-28 11:32:27 PM  

Saberus Terras: Still forgotten:

[imgs.xkcd.com image 639x862]


The NASA version of:

scifiblock.com
 
2012-10-28 11:44:12 PM  
Its a nice idea but I don't see it happening. Even on Mars Curiosity weighs considerable much, and is rather large. Best they could do is bring a piece of it back like with surveyor 3. Would be easier to bring the Sojourner rover back to earth. Only weighed 25 pounds on earth and a lot easier to make room for.

airandspace.si.edu
 
2012-10-28 11:51:58 PM  
Somebody at NASA must read xkcd

I feel like I must set the record straight: everybody at NASA reads xkcd.

/what kind of nerds do you think they are?
 
2012-10-28 11:54:22 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Ed Grubermann: the_rhino:
/am I doing this right
//cool news

You're no QA, but you've got potential, kid.

How's the Mars condo coming along? Pick the kitchen counter yet?


You are so much more fun with the favorited tag of "DEAR GOD WE'RE STUCK ON ERF!"
 
2012-10-29 12:05:12 AM  

bbfreak: Its a nice idea but I don't see it happening. Even on Mars Curiosity weighs considerable much, and is rather large. Best they could do is bring a piece of it back like with surveyor 3. Would be easier to bring the Sojourner rover back to earth. Only weighed 25 pounds on earth and a lot easier to make room for.

[airandspace.si.edu image 415x640]


It's the most likely option, plus the probe will have had a radioactive battery left to the Martian elements for decades. It's not something I'd want next to me in a small ship.
The main issue here is whether we will even land near enough to visit this thing. Going to mars is first about research and second about building a foothold for future missions.
Visiting curiosity is a dangerous detour.

/if we get around to long term missions, visiting old probes is sure to be on the agenda.
/and if the endgame is colonization, why would Martians send important relics of their history back to earth?
 
2012-10-29 12:05:55 AM  

bbfreak: Its a nice idea but I don't see it happening. Even on Mars Curiosity weighs considerable much, and is rather large. Best they could do is bring a piece of it back like with surveyor 3. Would be easier to bring the Sojourner rover back to earth. Only weighed 25 pounds on earth and a lot easier to make room for.

[airandspace.si.edu image 415x640]


Yeah, if the Smithsonian *really* wants a piece of Marsware for their collection, Sojourner is probably the best option. From a historical perspective you'd probably want one of the Viking landers, but those were 600 kilos.

Of course, we're at least a decade away from bringing back even a single kilo from Mars.
 
2012-10-29 02:24:10 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-29 05:43:46 AM  

dready zim: No, people have stopped having such a reduced lifespan. Looks the same but is completely different. Nobody has extended their life, which implies life extra to the years you would get simply from eating well and staying clean and fit.


Yeah yeah yeah. Splitting hairs. You're living longer. But researching how to live even longer, bad, right? Colonizing the Galaxy, good, right? With middle aged apes with the lifespan of a gnat.
 
2012-10-29 06:06:47 AM  
I'll drink to that!

upload.wikimedia.org

/Apostrophe missing
 
2012-10-29 07:15:02 AM  

sno man: Not to pic nits, but why are American life expectancies not keeping up with the rest of the first world? Especially while outspending everyone else on health by a massive amount.



U.S. : 78.2
European Union: 78.82

I guess because those last six months just kinda suck.
 
2012-10-29 07:15:44 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: dready zim: No, people have stopped having such a reduced lifespan. Looks the same but is completely different. Nobody has extended their life, which implies life extra to the years you would get simply from eating well and staying clean and fit.

Yeah yeah yeah. Splitting hairs. You're living longer. But researching how to live even longer, bad, right? Colonizing the Galaxy, good, right? With middle aged apes with the lifespan of a gnat.


you are starting to realize we are not progressing toward life extension, we are progressing toward space and evolution in space which is much more stable for the species. Static genomes in space is a recipe for disaster, it is better for the species to have smaller lifespans and to adapt to the conditions. Stop thinking just in terms of YOU getting to space (impossible) and start thinking in terms of HUMANS getting to space (inevitable)

What meaningful life extension (apart from telling people to wash their hands) is actually close to being reality? Are you going to 3D print life extension?

In the meantime, I will go look at the feed from the robot currently sitting on mars, the people in orbit or the commercial craft supplying them with stuff...
 
2012-10-29 07:33:33 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: sno man: Not to pic nits, but why are American life expectancies not keeping up with the rest of the first world? Especially while outspending everyone else on health by a massive amount.


U.S. : 78.2
European Union: 78.82

I guess because those last six months just kinda suck.


The recently-extended European Union includes countries, like Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, which wouldn't be considered "First World". The average of the original EU-15 countries is about 80.5 (or was in 2009 - possible statistics for the likes of Greece, Italy and Ireland have seen some change since then).
 
2012-10-29 07:34:20 AM  

dready zim: Stop thinking just in terms of YOU getting to space (impossible) and start thinking in terms of HUMANS getting to space (inevitable)


You are probably wasting your time on him.
For all QA talks about life extension, he rarely visits any threads dealing with the subject to champion the cause. He also doesn't like to recognize the advantage that space research gives to the life sciences.

/I think he just tosses it out there so people don't criticize him for being anti-science.
 
2012-10-29 07:53:27 AM  
Curiosity weighs over a 1000 kg. Even if we start sending human missions to Mars in the 2040s , upmass from the red planet is going to be far, far to valuable to spend on broken down technology, no matter how much the Smithsonian might want it.

In fact, I'll go as far and predict that by the time we can freely bring such heavy objects back from Mars for sentimental reasons, Curiosity will already be in a museum on mars.
 
2012-10-29 08:03:16 AM  

sno man: Quantum Apostrophe: GranoblasticMan: Quantum Apostrophe: Ed Grubermann: the_rhino:
/am I doing this right
//cool news

You're no QA, but you've got potential, kid.

How's the Mars condo coming along? Pick the kitchen counter yet?

How's the curing death thing going?

Very well, actually. In case you haven't noticed, all people born in the West since the early 20th century have benefited from an extended lifespan thanks to things as simple as washing hands before surgery, better neonatal care, germ theory, oh, and hundreds of other things you take for granted. How many people does that make?

How many people live in space?  And that's generously defining the upper atmosphere/LEO as "space", in the same sense as "space" is meant to represent the rest of the universe.

Are you going for a classic colonial look for your Mars condo, or stainless steel everywhere? Did you find a good location with a decent school for the little Martians?

Not to pic nits, but why are American life expectancies not keeping up with the rest of the first world? Especially while outspending everyone else on health by a massive amount.


The medications and innovations developed here are enjoyed at a fraction elsewhere.
 
2012-10-29 08:27:13 AM  

GranoblasticMan: Quantum Apostrophe: Ed Grubermann: the_rhino:
/am I doing this right
//cool news

You're no QA, but you've got potential, kid.

How's the Mars condo coming along? Pick the kitchen counter yet?

How's the curing death thing going?


BLAM! Wow, that was brutally efficient.
 
2012-10-29 08:28:23 AM  

pxlboy: The medications and innovations developed here are enjoyed at a fraction elsewhere.


Well then, that sounds like everything is right with that system, nevermind then.
 
2012-10-29 08:32:59 AM  

dillengest: ThrobblefootSpectre: sno man: Not to pic nits, but why are American life expectancies not keeping up with the rest of the first world? Especially while outspending everyone else on health by a massive amount.


U.S. : 78.2
European Union: 78.82

I guess because those last six months just kinda suck.

The recently-extended European Union includes countries, like Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, which wouldn't be considered "First World". The average of the original EU-15 countries is about 80.5 (or was in 2009 - possible statistics for the likes of Greece, Italy and Ireland have seen some change since then).


Almost 81 in Canada too, (80.8 in 2010) for something a little closer...
 
2012-10-29 09:43:53 AM  
I wonder what would happen if they discovered a large multi-ton monolith of gold on Mars? Would that speed up efforts to land there? Mission could pay for itself that way........
 
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